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Pistons reportedly preferred only Anthony Davis to Andre Drummond in 2012 draft

Anthony Davis, Thomas Robinson and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist ranked as the top three players on the PistonPowered community draft board, my draft board and Patrick’s draft board. The community and I ranked Andre Drummond fourth, and Patrick had him fifth behind Bradley Beal.

Reportedly, the Pistons thought even more highly of Drummond. Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press:

The only guy the Pistons would have picked over Drummond was Davis

If that’s true, credit to the Pistons. If the draft were re-done today, Davis and Drummond would go first and second, and the order could be debated.

Nearly everyone agreed Drummond was a great pick at No. 9, once Robinson, Kidd-Gilchrist and Beal were off the board. So, Detroit’s internal rankings of those top players didn’t affect the result, but if the Pistons consistently get those calls right,* that will pay off in the long run.

*Who knows whether they do? They leak their good judgments, not their poor ones.

68 Comments

  • Mar 26, 20139:14 am
    by G

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    Is this a “we’re trying to keep our jobs after a crappy season” move by the Pistons’ front office? By the way, Drummond’s apparently out for tonight’s game, but if you’re a fan of re-signing Calderon for next year, then getting Drummond back in the lineup ASAP is your best shot.

  • Mar 26, 20139:31 am
    by deusXango

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    Hey “G” Bosh is in the Heat’s games, and they are rolling. I don’t think bringing Drummond back will serve any benefical purpose at tis point because, in my heart of hearts I believe a ring means more to Calderon than money, and Riley is damn sure a better GM than Joe. If every little bit helps, there is no state tax in Florida, and the difference between that and the Canadian money Calderon’s been used to getting is something he’s sure to consider.

    We need to rebuild from the top down so these meaningless ”smoke screens” about yesterday will stop and we start getting some positive action today. Let Drummond rehab and work on that raw game, until next year.   

    • Mar 26, 20139:44 am
      by G

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      The Heat can’t afford to sign him, what are you talking about? What makes you think they want Calderon anyway?

      I think game reps help Drummond as much as anything right now. If he’s healthy, why sit him? He needs to learn team D, how he fits in the offense, and what it’s like to play 30+ minutes a night in the NBA. You get that only by playing the game, and it’s been noted before that Drummond might be better in games than in practice.

    • Mar 26, 201310:13 am
      by Huddy

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      Idk where people get that stuff about Calderon.  I’m not saying I can be 100% sure he will resign with the Pistons, but almost everyone who says he won’t says it is because hes chasing a ring.  I get that all players want championships and adding that to Calderon’s age it isn’t a stretch to think, but he never says anything like that.  He’s been interviewed about resigning a couple of times and he says he likes it here and that he really appreciate that Joe D has made it clear it wasn’t just a cap clearing move and that he really wants him there.  In addition he spent his whole career with the Raptors who were always bad and he resigned there, earlier in his career to stay long term despite them not being contenders.  His interviews have shown that he has moved his family here and I just don’t don’t get why everyone is convinced he is looking to leave.  Like G said Miami can’t afford him plus Chalmers works well in their system where D Wade and Lebron dominate the ball.  Besides that pretty much all the contenders are set at PG (Westbrook, Parker, Rondo, Conley, Nash…).  He would be an expensive back up for them and he doesn’t have real playoff experience that contenders sometimes value either.  Really if he can’t go to a contender why wouldn’t he want to stay with a team he can help grow and be a leader on that really wants him.

  • Mar 26, 201310:06 am
    by Vic

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    Drummond was 2nd only to Davis for me too.
    Hope they have the same skills this year, because I don’t think itwill be as easy to make the right decision as it was with Greg and Dre. 

    Porter
    Mclemore
    Burke
    Oladipo

    Porter is the best player and best fit by far. Solves the wing problem on defense and offense.

    Burke & Mclemore are neck & neck to me. Burke is more valuable being a pg, but Mclemore has that highlight talent and fits like a glove in a smooth offense based on two excellent passing bigs. 

    Oladipo is a great defender but I don’t need my shooting guard to be a better rebounder than a scorer and floor spacer. Can he maintain efficiency shooting 4-5 three pointers a game? Can he hit 30 a couple times a month at least? Can you tell the draft is my favorite topic lol

    • Mar 26, 201310:42 am
      by Aruna

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      Being a grad student at UM, I’ve come to hate Trey Burke’s game.  He’s a slightly taller Will Bynum.  His point distributing is limited to drive and dish.  He has a tendency to play hero ball, and the only person in the NBA who has made that work regularly is Kobe.  Dude makes the same terrible decisions Bynum does, sure it works more often by sheer force of will, but it’s not the right play to make,  He plays aggressive, gambling, on-the-ball defense, but we’ve already got a solid defender who is a limited point guard in Stuckey.  

      Not sure why you don’t have Shabazz Muhammad on the list, he’s the best pure scorer in the NCAA right now and plays the wing.

      My top four are:
      1. McLemore
      2. Muhammed
      3. Porter/Oladipo

      Porter’s safer and Oladipo has a higher ceiling.

       

      • Mar 26, 201311:10 am
        by Huddy

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        Trey Burke isn’t in my top 3, but he is definitely more than a slightly taller Will Bynum.  He plays hero ball?  Maybe for Michigan where he is the best player on the court most nights, obviously that wouldn’t be the case in the NBA.  How is he a limited point guard?  He is the best point guard in the NCAA right now.  He drives and dishes because it works and he plays for a team with such song 3pt shooting and no inside presence.  Its really hard to attach words like terrible and limited to a guy who is a finalist for player of the year, unless you have some mystical basketball knowledge no one else does.
         
        Shabazz is also not the best pure scorer in the NCAA.  He is around 50th in PPG (behind Trey Burke at 31) and in just scoring players like Crabbe, McDermott, or Khaliff Wyatt are probably better.  Either way his issue is whether or not he will be able to score like he does now in the NBA and there is no way he will be posting up any NBA athletes up like he does in the NCAA so a big part of his game will not transfer, not to mention all that unwanted drama with his dad.

        • Mar 26, 20133:27 pm
          by vic

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          Bazz is a chucker, no steals, no assists. 

          Burke dominated the NCAA as a pg, with no post presence, and inconsistent wings. That can’t be understated! 

          Put him in the NBA and you’ll be suprised how effective he’ll be. 

      • Mar 26, 201311:16 am
        by G

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        Muhammad is starting to look like a volume scorer with little more than a jump shot and a post game that won’t likely translate to the NBA.

        Burke has more of a distributor gene than Bynum has, he’s got a 3pt shot (which Bynum doesn’t have), and that drive & dish style is Michigan’s offense. He’s played all year with 3pt shooters. With McGary moving into the starting role, you’re finally seeing Burke play with a big who can score. It’ll be interesting to see if Michigan uses more PnR against Kansas.

        Don’t see the Stuckey comp at all. Totally different skill sets. 

      • Mar 26, 201311:23 am
        by MIKEYDE248

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        I’ve been hearing about Shabazz all year, about how he’s the greatest player ever to come out of college.  So far the few times I have seen him play he has looked very average, including watching him and his team get dominated by Minnesota.

        My only problem with Burke would be his size.  Little guys usually tend to have a much harder time in the NBA, unless they are really great talents.

        • Mar 26, 201311:36 am
          by tarsier

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          Shabazz was an amazing high school player who has had kind of a rough go of it in his one year at college (like Knight and Drummond). My problem with him is that he appears to be the sort of guy who has to be the alpha dog on his team, and I’m not sure he is good enough to be that at the NBA level. Knight and Drummond, on the other hand, looked like guys who could be major contributors without being the stars.

          I’d stay away from Muhammad. He has the potential to be a one-dimensional game changer like Carmelo or Iverson. But odds for any given player, including Shabazz, are that he won’t be. And I doubt he will ever be a particularly good 2nd, 3rd, or 4th option.

        • Mar 26, 201311:46 am
          by Huddy

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          Size is probably the most stand out issue with Burke.  His exact skills on a slightly taller and or broader frame would make a huge difference.  I’m a Michigan fan so I try to hold back bias and have to admit I’d worry about him being too small in the NBA without enough speed and athleticism to make up for it as other small guys have done.

      • Mar 26, 201311:28 am
        by tarsier

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        Your problem with Burke is hero ball tendencies but you love Muhammad?

        There are arguments for Muhammad over Burke, but that one falls flat on its face. 

        • Mar 26, 201311:44 am
          by Huddy

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          The whole hero ball thing just doesn’t make sense in general.  Every team has go to guys or hopes for guys that want to take the game in their hands, this is especially true in college.  Almost any top 10 draft pick is going to be the guy from their team that played hero ball in some way or another.  Some more than others but as soon as they go to the NBA they move right down the ladder until they prove themselves anyway.  An Kobe is the only player to ever do that effectively?  no way.

      • Mar 26, 20133:14 pm
        by oats

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        Quick point on Stuckey. Stuckey is not a good defender. Every once in a while he is actually engaged and plays good defense, but easily 90% of the time he doesn’t bother. He’s been worse defensively this year than Jose Calderon. People keep bringing up his defense, but he just doesn’t bring it often enough for him to be considered even an average defender.
         

        • Mar 26, 20133:58 pm
          by tarsier

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          who said stuckey was a good defender?

          • Mar 26, 20134:52 pm
            by G

            You gotta go WAY up, but it’s Aruna, the person we were all arguing with. The quote was “we’ve already got a solid defender who’s a limited point guard in Stuckey”.

            Stuckey has always had the rep of someone who could develop into a decent defender, he just has never put it together. I think years of lauding Stuckey’s defensive potential have made people think he can actually defend.

          • Mar 26, 20138:23 pm
            by tarsier

            Gotcha. Yeah, I still think he has strong defensive potential. He’s got the body, the athleticism, even the skillset. He doesn’t always have the effort, but that’s not the main problem. I think he just doesn’t have the court awareness or play recognition. The problem is that it is impossible to tell if that’s on him or the coaching.

          • Mar 26, 20139:15 pm
            by CityofKlompton

            Stuckey has been in the league for six years and is going on 27 years old. Can we stop talking about Stuckey’s potential?  What we see is what we get at this point. We’re not going to see much better than we already have, if we see anything better at all.

          • Mar 27, 20139:45 am
            by tarsier

            It’s not about development at this point. It’s honestly just that he doesn’t look like he’s been taught where to move as the offense runs plays. I don’t know if that is the case or not, but when a player’s biggest issue on defense is where he is moving, and the whole team is consistently bad on that count, you have to at least consider that the coaching staff hasn’t been teaching defense well.

  • Mar 26, 201312:22 pm
    by Otis

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    I like Drummond, he’s the only legitimate building block on this entire roster (a fact I hope the organization comes to realize before they go trying to accommodate also rans like Knight and Monroe in this rebuild), and Joe was insanely lucky that Drummond fell to us. But let’s not get carried away. There is little or no room for debate about the order he and Davis would go in a redraft.

    • Mar 26, 201312:48 pm
      by G

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      There’s a little room for debate. Advanced stats prefer Drummond. Drummond’s offensive game needs a lot of work (Davis’s needs a little too, btw), but his defense is better and he’s got an NBA body, while it’s unclear if Davis will add too much more muscle to what he’s got. Given a re-draft, I might go Drummond 1st overall. David Thorpe ranked Drummond ahead of Davis among 19 year-olds in the NBA, saying Drummond has a higher ceiling.

    • Mar 26, 20131:55 pm
      by tarsier

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      If it weren’t for his abysmal free throw shooting, I’d take Drummond over Davis in a re-draft.

      But unfortunately, Drummond is, to date, the second worst free throw shooter in the history of the NBA (minimum of 100 attempts). Behind Garfield Smith if you count ABA or behind Kim Hughes if you don’t.

  • Mar 26, 201312:42 pm
    by danny

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    please please no porter there are way better players out there than him, especially for the pistons.  Bring in smart and let someone mentor him and he can fill in at the point with knight rounding sg. 

    • Mar 26, 201312:49 pm
      by G

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      Smart is a combo guard. The Pistons drafted Stuckey as a combo guard and tried to coach him up as a PG. It didn’t work out. They did the same thing with Knight. It hasn’t worked out. Why should they keep making the same mistake?

  • Mar 26, 20131:06 pm
    by danny

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    Smart is like kidd when he came into the nba, someone that knows the game but has not developed the tools to become great.  he is a leader and plays hard on every play why wouldnt you want him?  You think we got calderon in for no reason?  He will teach the boys how to run the point and if you have two “combo guards” it will open things up and help break down defenses.  Him or victor will be nice we can get away without a wing for now, or pick up one in the FA.  PS give knight a chance it takes a bit to learn the position and with pieces coming in and out and frank being frank it will take a bit longer.

    • Mar 26, 20131:22 pm
      by G

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      How exactly is Smart like Kidd? Kidd knew how to be a PG, he just couldn’t shoot well. He never shot well. Kidd averaged 9.1 apg his soph year of college, then went 7.7 apg his rookie season and 9.7 apg his 2nd year. Smart has NEARLY a 1 to 1 assist/turnover ratio. He’s a combo guard, and they rarely, if ever, turn into point guards.

    • Mar 26, 20131:24 pm
      by Huddy

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      Having two combo guards speeds up your break, but also breaks down your own defense because your back court is too small to match up not to mention we have two solid bigs down low that will be non existent if all we do is run the break and play fast paced basketball. 
       
      Porter is a great fit for the Pistons and we will be lucky if he is still there when we draft.  How is it that we can get away without a wing when we have Singler at SF, but it is more important to get another PG when we have the option of an already proven PG in Calderon available?  You can’t stoop to considerably lower talent to draft a set position, but if Porter or Oladipo or Maclemore are on the board, PG should be the last position on our mind.

    • Mar 26, 20131:25 pm
      by tarsier

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      Kidd is a pretty decent comparison for Smart’s upside. Kidd’s jumpshot developed later in his career but he was always a great defensive PG with a wonderful, hard-nosed style of play. The only way Smart doesn’t measure up is his AST:TO ratio is way, way out of whack.

      On the other hand, another guy who came in looking pretty comparable to Smart is Stuckey. Stuckey was better at taking care of the ball but worse at defending. Kind of an even trade-off in my books. Maybe even a bit better than even since players often become better defenders as they develop, but rarely do you see a wild, turnover-prone guy get under lots of control and keep the ball in check. Stuckey is Smart’s floor.

      Porter’s floor is a reasonable 3 and D guy, like a Kawhi Leonard. His upside is a dynamic, do-it-all wing like McGrady, Paul George, or Grant Hill.

      Personally, I would rather have someone between Leonard and Hill than someone between Stuckey and Kidd.

      • Mar 26, 20131:38 pm
        by G

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        Kidd never got a jump shot. He worked on a 3pt shot & got it to the point where he was decent at it, but Kidd never owned a jumper. Kidd’s entire game was setting up teammates & defense, so saying Smart is like Kidd except for that is like the whole “except for THAT, Mrs Lincoln, how did you like the play?”

         

        • Mar 26, 20132:00 pm
          by tarsier

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          Oh, he’s not like him right now. But I think that is a decent projection of his upside.

          Also, you’re missing toughness, getting to the line, and rebounding as major points of comparison between the two.

          • Mar 26, 20132:22 pm
            by G

            Right, but the thing that made Kidd GOOD was the assists. Without that, he’s basically Tony Allen with a slightly better 3pt shot. 

          • Mar 26, 20133:23 pm
            by vic

            G is right. When I need a pg i don’t need the best rebounder on the team, I need assist/turnover ratio and floor spacing 3 point shots.

          • Mar 26, 20133:45 pm
            by tarsier

            I have no reason to believe Smart will get to the level of Kidd. But he seems like an intelligent player. It’s possible practice and better teammates/coaching would help him in that department. Hence why I think that Kidd is a decent projection of his ceiling. Not of his reasonably expected career.

          • Mar 26, 20134:52 pm
            by oats

            Saying Kidd is Smart’s ceiling is a little like saying that post injury Chris Paul is Trey Burke’s ceiling. I guess it’s theoretically possible, but so far from what he should be projected at that it isn’t particularly useful.

  • Mar 26, 20132:06 pm
    by danny

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    Yes he isnt Kidd at dishing the rock but everything else.  Plays hard on defense breaks down the offense and gets a lot of steals and boards.  Gets out in the open court and runs why wouldnt you want that?  He can bully guards down low just like kidd does when he goes up again smaller guards.  The kid is a natural leader and has excellent work ethic and that usually always translates to playing well.  Plus he is not a combo guard since he doesnt really score now does he?  All in all he makes everyone around him better and thats what we need.

    • Mar 26, 20132:26 pm
      by G

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      Great, a combo guard that doesn’t score. Sounds like a top pick to me. A combo guard is basically a bigger PG that isn’t that good at being a PG. Most combo guards are scorers, but not all of them are. I’d argue that Smart is a scorer (15 ppg in college isn’t bad), albeit an inefficient one. 

      • Mar 26, 20133:01 pm
        by danny

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        You have to reply to everyones comments and try putting up stats that back your opinion up.  Stuckey has almost identical stats as chauncey did about 16 and 6.  Stuck had about 14 and 5 and you see the big difference.  Dont look at numbers this isnt fantasy basketball. 15 points a game shows that he can score if he wants but if you really watch him he tries to get others involved first. 
        Kidd doesnt get assists anymore and he still is effective at running a team.  Look what he did for dallas but then again I’m sure you’ll bring up a stat stating he got 6 dimes one game.
        I’m sure everyone knows what a combo guard is so you dont need to explain the obvious to me, the name says it all.

        • Mar 26, 20133:20 pm
          by G

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          I replied to your comment because I disagreed with it. I felt I had to explain what a combo guard is since you thought it automatically meant “scorer”. It doesn’t.

          If you cherry pick a couple years, yeah, you could statistically make it look like Stuckey & Billups are similar, even though they’re not. And everybody uses Billups as the example of a combo guard who turned into a PG… he’s the only one! Name another, please.

          Don’t like stats? How about a scouting report? Every single one says he’s not the greatest ball-handler, is a combo guard, and might not be an NBA PG.

          http://walterfootball.com/nbascoutingreport2013msmart.php
          http://nbadraftroom2.blogspot.com/2013/01/marcus-smart-nba-draft-scouting-report.html
          http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Smart-6284/

          I’m sure he’s very talented, but am I the only tired of the Pistons rolling the dice on another combo guard in the first round?

          • Mar 26, 20133:25 pm
            by vic

            and also like I used to say the only way scoring guards turn into true pgs is if they play for elite coaches like Larry Brown, Popovich, etc…

          • Mar 26, 20133:35 pm
            by danny

            I did saw it automatically meant scorer thats what you assumed.  Name another combo guard that went on to do good things russ westbrook, rose, wall.  I mean those are no bodies that havent went to the finals or won mvp?  What about the glove?  Combo guard is someone that plays like the 1 and the 2 hence the term combo.  Oh yeah tony parker forgot about him someone who didnt have a jumper at all coming in the nba and ppl like you were naming stats about his jumper not falling.
            We rolled the dice on stuck and crapped out ok I get that.  B knight is going to turn around and become good.  Who would you pick? 

          • Mar 26, 20133:52 pm
            by G

            Great. You just named 4 guys who were MUCH better scorers than Smart and also John Wall (who isn’t a combo guard, by the way). Check out Isiah Thomas’s record at NY when he was GM if you want to see how well stocking a team with combo guards works. Or the Pistons the past 5 years.

            Who would I take? I like Porter, Oladipo, McLemore, Burke, and Muhammad. In that order. I might take Smart ahead of Muhammad, I don’t know. Smart would probably be an upgrade over Stuckey and Knight, but I like what the other 4 guys would give the Pistons a lot more.

          • Mar 26, 20134:01 pm
            by G

            And to Vic’s point about great coaches… Do the Pistons have a great coach? Do they have John Stockton on payroll to run PG Academy? Then why would they draft a project at the position?

        • Mar 26, 20133:24 pm
          by danny

          Reply

          kidd got 16.7 in his second year of college guess that makes him a combo guard too.

          • Mar 26, 20133:33 pm
            by G

            Did you completely miss the part where I said combo guard doesn’t mean scorer? Apparently you did.

          • Mar 26, 20133:37 pm
            by danny

            No I saw that comment but you said a combo guard that doesnt score.  I said he is not a natural scorer that doesnt mean he doesnt put up points.  You are missing things and assume everyone else does but thats ok.  Ill let you do whatever it is you do. 

          • Mar 26, 20133:38 pm
            by G

            Once again for those lacking in reading comprehension, a combo-guard is typically a bigger PG that doesn’t play PG that well. He could also be a player with SG skills but PG height. 

            Smart is on the big side for a PG, doesn’t have a great handle, and he turns it over a lot without getting the assists to make up for it. I’d say that qualifies. 

          • Mar 26, 20133:41 pm
            by tarsier

            Kidd was also getting 10 apg (and more points are a good thing, not a bad thing). But the point isn’t whether he is a PG or a combo G. Heck, I’d rather my PG be able to play off the ball too. The point is how good he is. If Smart could suddenly learn to dish without turning it over and hit 3s, he could reach Kidd’s heights. Those are HUGE ifs. That is why it is his absolute ceiling. His floor is a guard who can do nothing but defend. There’s a place for such a guy in the rotation, but it’s not worth a lottery pick, much less the top 5 pick that he is expected to be taken with.

            Smart will probably out perform his floor, but it takes a lot less fantasy to imagine him around there than around Kidd’s level.

            If McLemore, Porter, Noel, Bennet, and Oladipo are all off the board, I’d consider taking Smart. But I’d be even more inclined to trade down and get Burke + an additional asset. 

        • Mar 26, 20133:42 pm
          by tarsier

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          “Kidd doesnt get assists anymore and he still is effective at running a team.”

          Do you really want to turn a lottery pick into a player of Kidd’s present day caliber? 

        • Mar 26, 20133:48 pm
          by Huddy

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          When Dallas won the championship Kidd Averaged 8 assists a game, not any one game just straight up averaged that many and and more than that years before, he only went down to 5 or so a game last year when he played less than 30 min a game. 
           
          Stats are not everything but college comparisons to proven NBA talent are definitely not either.  Smart could end up like Kidd…sure he could, but he could be a lot of things.  He could also be another guard that works hard but doesn’t develop all the tools, just like we hope Brandon Knight could still be.  Not sure I want to set up that project again before BK has even shown if he can develop yet.  If there is a player like Porter available that could instantly start at a position we don’t have a starting level player at , or a player that more obviously fills our needs at D and perimeter shooting like Oladipo then it would make little sense to start another PG project that we have failed twice in a row already.

    • Mar 26, 20133:42 pm
      by oats

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      The Kidd except for passing means he is nothing like Kidd. Passing is the single biggest part of Kidd’s game. What’s more, that’s not even true. Kidd was actually good at finishing at the hoop. Marcus Smart isn’t. Kidd didn’t have much of a three point shot, but he could get some points efficiently by taking it to the rack. Smart can get to the rack, but then he doesn’t finish well so he isn’t efficient there either. If he learns to pass, tightens his handle, improves his court vision, develops an ok 3 point shot, and learns to finish then he is exactly like Kidd. Can’t we realize that just isn’t likely? The only thing he does like Kidd is be big and play defense, but everything on the other side of the ball requires way more work to get to that point for the comparison to be particularly useful. Please let this comparison go away.

      • Mar 26, 20133:47 pm
        by tarsier

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        Smart doesn’t finish as well at the hole. But he draws fouls more often. That aspect is pretty much a wash.

        • Mar 26, 20134:05 pm
          by oats

          Reply

          Not in college. Kidd had 5.6 FTA to Smart’s 6.5. Smart is a little better at drawing contact, but not enough to make it a wash. 

          • Mar 26, 20134:27 pm
            by tarsier

            If you’re going to insist upon comparing college to college, then surely you will agree it is fair to compare freshman year to freshman year.

            Kidd, as a freshman, got 4.6 FTA/game to Smart’s 6.5. That’s a pretty sizable difference. Smart shot 40.4% to Kidd’s 46.3%, also pretty significant.

            So let’s look at points per shot attempt. I’ll assume that and-ones and missed front ends of one-and-ones will come close to cancelling each other out. Even if they don’t, I doubt this would particularly advantage either of these guys. So we’ll just call every two free throws a shot attempt.

            Kidd had 378 points on 287 FGAs and 134 FTAs, so we’ll call that 354 attempts. Smart had 493 points on 361 FGAs and 207 FTAs, so we’ll call that 464.5 attempts. This puts Kidd at 1.068 points per attempt and Smart at 1.061 points per attempt. I’d call that damn close to a wash.

          • Mar 26, 20134:35 pm
            by G

            Aha! True shooting %, my kinda language. Comparing freshman years, Kidd’s TS% was about 54.6, Smart’s is at 54.1. It’s REAL close. This is kind of like putting a couple of race horses in a spelling contest though, we’re not exactly comparing strengths.

          • Mar 26, 20134:47 pm
            by oats

            Ok, I’ll concede that.
             
            My basic point that Smart has a long way to go before Jason Kidd comparisons start making sense still stands though. His passing numbers are pretty much identical to Brandon Knight’s, so I loathe a comparison to one of the best passers of his generation. Like Knight, maybe Smart could develop it, but the odds are slim. Even as a freshman Kidd showed he had the facilitator skill set, he just needed to refine it. As a freshman Smart looks like he needs to add it. That’s a very different task.

          • Mar 26, 20134:51 pm
            by tarsier

            I’ll agree wholeheartedly with both of you on those follow-up comments. My only point was that they are comparable going to the hole (even though I don’t have the stats to separate shots in the paint to those from longer range).

  • Mar 26, 20132:12 pm
    by Nick

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    Joe D is gonna draft Shabazz Muhammud unless someone else slips down. I believe that’s why he was in Las Vegas this weekend to watch him.

    • Mar 26, 20132:16 pm
      by Huddy

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      Dumars (and all GMS) has been traveling all over to scout prospects during the tournament.  Las Vegas is not an indicator of our draft choice.

    • Mar 26, 20133:51 pm
      by danny

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      A combo guard is a basketball player who combines the attributes of a shooting guard (2) and point guard (1), but does not necessarily fit the standard description of either position. Such guards are usually within the 6’2″ to 6’4″ (1.88 to 1.93 m) height range.
      You said he doesnt get dimes so how can he be a point guard?  He plays the point yes and so you automatically assume he is the combo guard.  Then you say he is not a point guard, which i agree with SO HE CANT BE A COMBO.  See the big picture?  Yes he is that height and doesnt know the point well but this it’s his first year. Yes his a/to ratio is bad but he is 19 yrs old and leads his team to state championships and other things.  You class him on height which is retarded.  Give him a few years then you will think back and be like man that dude was right and I’m just this dude that always feels the need to voice my opinion on things I dont know.  
      He will learn the point guard position just like other great players have.  BUt apparently it only worked once thats why almost every team in the nba is doing that now.

      • Mar 28, 20131:14 pm
        by G

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        Didn’t class him on height (I wouldn’t call Wall a combo-guard & he’s 6’5″ or so), I classify Smart as a combo-guard because a) his handle isn’t that great, b) he turns it over a lot without getting the assists to make up for it, and c) EVERY OTHER TALENT EVALUATOR SAYS HE’S A COMBO GUARD. I’d like to draw your attention to point c), which would indicate that I’m not alone in questioning his ability to run the point in the NBA.

        Yes, Smart is coming off his freshman season and still has plenty of room to improve. Could he turn into an NBA PG? Sure. But what we have to work with so far indicates he’s got too weak of a handle and needs to improve his decision-making for that to happen. There are certain aspects of the game that you could reasonably project improvement on, but PG skills certainly isn’t one of them. It’s probably the hardest position to play in the NBA, and given that the Pistons have rolled the dice with 2 projects at the PG position already, I don’t see them doubling down for a 3rd.

      • Mar 28, 20131:51 pm
        by G

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        The height thing I brought up because TYPICALLY a combo guard is a little bigger. It’s not a requirement, and I’d like to point out that your definition of a combo guard (which was pretty good, by the way, thanks wikipedia) includes a height difference. 

    • Mar 26, 20133:54 pm
      by tarsier

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      We don’t even have any idea what pick the Pistons will have yet. They could draft 1st overall. If they finish the season 4-7, they could still theoretically end up drafting 13th overall (though realistically, they’d probably have to win at least 5 or 6 more games to even end up all the way back at 10th).

      And there is a ton of prospect assessment yet to do. So it is total malarkey to say “Joe D is gonna draft ________”. 

  • Mar 26, 20132:21 pm
    by Mark

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    I don’t know that I’d call picking Davis over Drummond good judgement, lol.

    I would like to think the Pistons knew better that Drummond was going to be the better big man.

    • Mar 26, 20133:48 pm
      by tarsier

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      Nobody knows that now. There’s no way they could have known it then.

      • Mar 27, 20133:20 pm
        by Revken

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        Agreed.  It’s too soon to tell how good either guy will be, but it looks like they bring different strengths that one team might favor over the other.  Davis will probably develop into a more versatile offensive player, and Drummond will probably be the stronger defender and rebounder.  If he excells in those areas, I’d take him first, because those are the abilities its often hardest to get on your team. 

    • Mar 26, 20134:27 pm
      by oats

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      I’d still take Davis first, but just barely. Drummond has size and the fact that he is the better defender going for him. Davis has a more varied offense, and I still think he can put on the weight to get up to Kevin Garnett big. While not as big as Drummond, Garnett is capable of defending the 5 and I think that could eventually be possible for Davis too. In the long run I expect Davis to narrow that gap on defense more than Drummond will narrow the gap offensively, so I’d take Davis. If Drummond get’s his free throw percentage up to about 65% I will switch to him because his size seems like a better fit with Monroe, but if he continues to be one of the worst free throw shooters in the league then Davis is my choice.

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    by Chet Cunnane

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