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NBA’s longest streaks belong to Miami Heat, Detroit Pistons

Brooklyn Nets 119 Final
Recap | Box Score
82 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 23 MIN | 2-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | -14

The Pistons grabbed 55 percent of available defensive rebounds when Maxiell was on the court tonight, the lowest mark on the team during a game nearly everyone rebounded poorly, according to NBA.com/stats. He had five defensive rebounds himself, but he didn’t help the Pistons rebound better.

Greg Monroe, C 32 MIN | 8-10 FG | 1-2 FT | 7 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 6 TO | 17 PTS | -28

Monroe established great inside positioning to create many easy looks for himself, and he made some whizzing passes to create sure-fire baskets for his teammates. He even defended his position OK. But six turnovers, even not all of them were his fault, is still much too high. Monroe was in perfect control when taking shots, but those moments between gave him some problems.

Jose Calderon, PG 8 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -11

Calderon left the game with flu-like symptoms. His hair must have been wet when Deron Williams (14 of his 31 points in the first quarter) breezed by him all those times.

Rodney Stuckey, PG 34 MIN | 3-8 FG | 4-4 FT | 1 REB | 4 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 10 PTS | -21

Stuckey raises expectations and then underwhelms? I am shocked.

Kyle Singler, SG 29 MIN | 3-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | -25

Didn’t guard well, didn’t shoot well,

Jonas Jerebko, PF 19 MIN | 1-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -19

Lawrence Frank must be itching to pull him from the rotation.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 19 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -17

Villanueva hasn’t scored or rebounded more than this in a game in the last 10 days.

Khris Middleton, SF 21 MIN | 2-8 FG | 2-2 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | -12

It wasn’t that long ago Middleton raised his 3-point percentage above league average, but he’s sub 30 percent again. Let’s no overreact, in either direction, to fluctuations for someone with such a small total of shots. I stand by my previous opinion: Middleton has not proven he’s a good outsider shooter.

Viacheslav Kravtsov, C 7 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -5

Didn’t play until garbage time, but he dunked in transition, which is the perfect garbage-time move. He’s getting it.

Will Bynum, PG 30 MIN | 8-19 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 18 PTS | -28

Because he led the team in scoring, Bynum will be the first Piston mentioned in any old-school, non-nuanced article about this game, but that doesn’t mean he actually played well. Bynum should not have taken nine more shots than anyone else on the team. I’m certainly not opposed to Bynum shooting, but many of these were forced looks, especially early, when the game wasn’t totally over.

Kim English, SG 18 MIN | 3-7 FG | 4-5 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 10 PTS | -5

English has played 99 minutes and appeared in each of the last seven games – that Frank coached. In the six games with Brian Hill at the helm, English played just six minutes and collected five DNP-CDs. If that isn’t evidence the two coaches disagree on English, I don’t know what is. English rewarded Frank’s faith with a not-terrible performance, which put him a step above most his teammates.

Brandon Knight, PG DNP SPRAINED LEFT ANKLE

Knight had a fantastic night. This happened, and Jason Terry is now the victim of the latest, greatest dunk (and new hero of the anti-fun crowd).

Lawrence Frank

In a moment that symbolizes Frank’s night, Brook Lopez, whom Frank coached with the Nets, ran over to wish Frank well in his return to coaching after dealing with his wife’s illness. However, 5:44 remained on the clock when Lopez approached Detroit’s bench. At that point, though, the game was long over.

124 Comments

  • Mar 18, 201311:33 pm
    by mshansky

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    1. Not one player on this team could start for ANY other NBA team
    2. The teram has achieved absolutely nothing in the last 43 years.
    3. The team does not improve over the course of a season, OR between seasons.
    4.Thus, they get worse, relative to the rest of the league.
    5. Their current coach, seems to be at his peak when describing the reasons for losses in his post mortem.
        -audition for NBA color commentary?
    6. The team is boring to watch
    7. The team has no current, or future identity within the pro basketball world.
        -all coaches stress defense, few ever deliver, including the pistons last 3 or 4.
    8.The owner spends his money on the non-basketball aspects of his arena and events, hoping the stench from the basketball floor is ignored. His faux enthusiasm is patronizing, insulting to fans, and obnoxious.

     

    • Mar 18, 201311:47 pm
      by Blocks by Dre

      Reply

      Monroe couldn’t start for the Bobcats? Really?

      • Mar 18, 201311:49 pm
        by Brandon Knight

        Reply

        Knight? Drummond?

        • Mar 20, 201312:20 am
          by tarsier

          Reply

          I’m not saying there is no chance another team would start Knight, but what team do you think he’d be a starter on? Not counting teams that the starter is injured (Chicago, Boston, Cleveland). That leaves maybes in Dallas, Charlotte, Miami, and Orlando.

    • Mar 19, 20131:26 am
      by Vince

      Reply

      Pretty sure Drummond, Monroe and Calderon could find a team to start for.

    • Mar 19, 20132:27 am
      by jerrific

      Reply

      1. The list of teams Drummmond wouldn’t start for is longer than the list of teams he would.  The same might be true of Monroe.
      2. Good call,  three championships in the last 25 years is completely meaningless, every other team probably at least doubled that number in the same time span.
      3. True of this season,  but last year is in direct opposition of this.
      4. Rephrasing previous points with different language is always agood debate tactic. Nice work.
      5. I actually have no problem with this.  Literally everyone agrees with you.  
      6. You obviously haven’t seen drummond play. 
      7. Their current identity is somewhat of a trainwreck, but that’s a good thing. We don’t have enough taking to compete right now and we need to add good young players. The draft, while no guarantee,  is the best way to do that.  This team needs to lose now to be good in the future. We also have two pretty talented big men, one of which will probably be competing for rebounding titles and DPOY awards in the near future.  
      8. You’re right about this one. After less than two seasons it is obviously apparent that Gores is the worst owner the league.  The Pistons are doomed to reach pre-Blake Griffin Clippers status.  You should probably just give up following the Pistons and never come on this forum again.  
       

      • Mar 19, 20132:29 am
        by jerrific

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        *talent, not taking. 
        Damn swype, and my lazy proof reading skills.   

      • Mar 19, 20138:31 am
        by G

        Reply

        Your first 2 points are WAY off, man. 3 championships in 25 years is pretty good. How many championships do the Wizards, Magic, Hornets, Blazers, Pacers, Knicks, Nets, Jazz, Suns, Raptors, Grizzlies, Sonics/Thunder, Cavs, Mavs, Heat, Bucks, Kings, 76ers, Clippers, Bobcats, Nuggets, Warriors, Hawks, T’wolves, Rockets and Celtics have in that span? Let me help you out – it’s less than 3. That’s 26 out of 30 teams. The teams with 3 or more championships? Pistons, Bulls, Lakers, and the Spurs.

        How about teams Drummond and/or would start for if Drummond were healthy? I figure one or the other could start on 22 of the NBA’s 29 other teams. Again, that looks like a majority to me.

        I think it’s probably too early to write the book on Gores, but I agree, the in-game experience is flooded with crap unrelated to the actual game. 

        • Mar 19, 20138:32 am
          by G

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          *should be “Drummond and/or Monroe”

        • Mar 19, 20138:56 am
          by G

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          …Unless you were being sarcastic with that 2nd comment and I missed it.

          • Mar 19, 20139:22 am
            by jerrific

            2 was definitely sarcasm. It’s statistically impossible.  And number one actually agrees with what you said,  perhaps my wording was a bit awkward and difficult to understand though.  Oh, and the gores comment was most definitely sarcasm as well. 

          • Mar 19, 20139:37 am
            by G

            Apparently the guy who said “the last 43 years” actually meant “the last 3 years”, which almost makes his comment dumber, since the team has been handcuffed by bad contracts and a transition of ownership.

    • Mar 19, 20136:42 am
      by AJ

      Reply

      This guy is trolling hard haha. I’m pretty sure Monroe and Drummond and Calderon can be starters elsewhere… and we have 3 championships over the course of  the last 43 years so that argument is invalid as well…

  • Mar 18, 201311:35 pm
    by mshansky

    Reply

    excuse me, i meant 3 years, not 43. some typos. sorry…

    • Mar 19, 20139:41 am
      by G

      Reply

      What exactly did you expect them to do the last 3 years, since they had no cap space and were unable to make trades because of Karen Davidson?

      • Mar 19, 201312:29 pm
        by Otis

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        Man, this is the sorriest B.S I ever heard and I’m SICK TO DEATH of it. Just listen to yourself.
         
        Blame smelly old Karen Davidson for everything. Karen Davidson was never the problem here. The team couldn’t make trades because it was loaded with terrible players on terrible contracts, and that was ENTIRELY Joe Dumars’ doing. You want proof? What the HECK was Dumars able to accomplish in terms of trades once the team was sold? Well gee… he bought out Rip because nobody wanted him, he attached a PRECIOUS first round pick to Gordon because nobody wanted him, and he brought back his own mediocre free agents in Prince, Stuckey and JJ.
         
        Is it so hard to think for yourself and place blame where it’s due?? Sheesh.

        • Mar 19, 201312:42 pm
          by G

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          You, sir, are a moron.

          I’m not defending Dumars & I’m perfectly aware that he’s largely responsible for the state of the team. What I was doing was responding to the other moron who suggested the Pistons should’ve accomplished something over the past 3 years. Really? How?

          You can at least agree that the 2010-2011 season was a wash due to the ownership situation & the poor performances from the highest paid players. So, suppose Gores comes in and chucks Joe D for shelling out terrible contracts & poorly evaluating players. What then? You still have no cap space and the 2 best coaches on the market are Frank and Mike Woodson (word was Dumars favored Woodson, Gores favored Frank).

        • Mar 19, 201312:51 pm
          by G

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          Looking at it another way, the Ben Gordon and the Tayshaun trades moved the rebuilding project ahead a couple years. It sucks to lose a draft pick, especially when you’re basically using it to pay another team to take on one of your crappy contracts. But it freed the team up to make some moves this summer instead of next summer.

          The Tayshaun trade was brilliant, and it shows what you can do when you have little to work with.  Dumars was always better at getting value in trades than he was at drafting or free agency. Karen Davidson putting the handcuffs on trading players took away Joe D’s best tool. Sure, the whole thing wasn’t her fault, but she put the team on ice for 3 years. 

    • Mar 19, 201312:05 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Still an idiotic comment, primarily because of your first point.

  • Mar 18, 201311:39 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    Jason Terry #Knighted

    WE MISS YOU BRANDON KNIGHT
    WE MISS YOU ANDRE DRUMMOND

    Hope both of them can be back by Friday! We might have a chance to end Heat’s winning streak!

     

    • Mar 18, 201311:49 pm
      by Blocks by Dre

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      Yeah, and after we beat the Heat, the player of the game on the winning team takes home MVP…cool story bro 

    • Mar 19, 201312:59 am
      by tiko

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      sick steal and pass, two more sick passes and a Lebron finish… 

  • Mar 19, 201312:27 am
    by tommy t

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    FRANK THE TANK! FRANK THE TANK! FRANK THE TANK!

    Keep’em coming. Nothing to gain here but draft spots. This team is a disaster. It’s actually quite refreshing that we haven’t gone on one of those late season winning streak that does nothing for us. 

    • Mar 19, 20131:01 am
      by tiko

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      be careful what u wish for.. Bynum and CV are drooling at the potential to be heros during that April schedule

    • Mar 19, 20132:35 am
      by jerrific

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      I wouldn’t put it past them. Especially if Drummond and Knight come back before we start playing the other lottery bound dregs of the league.  

  • Mar 19, 201312:57 am
    by Worm

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    More balls in the lotto for Otto! Wow this team sucks hard without Knight and Drummond.

  • Mar 19, 20132:42 am
    by jerrific

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    I don’t understand how Frank gives Bynum the green light to take almost twenty shots when he has a big man that is scoring with lebron esque efficiency in this game.  Why doesn’t he make Monroe shoot more? Either he tries to and the players don’t listen to him, or he is a complete idiot. Actually, I think I just answered my own question.  

    • Mar 19, 201310:39 am
      by tarsier

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      I’m always amazed by how much control people think the coach has. He doesn’t talk to players before the game and say ” you get 12 shots this game, you get 14, you get 6; if you go over that number, I’m pulling you for the rest of the game”.

      • Mar 19, 201311:18 am
        by G

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        I think it’s a tendency to look at the box score after the game and think “what the hell is Bynum doing jacking up 19 shots?” If he sees a guy taking a few dumb shots in a row, he probably pulls him aside and tells him to pass the effing ball next time. If a role player’s game is on, I DON’T think the coach would pull the guy aside & tell him to pass. Coaches need a feel for the flow of the game, and you don’t get that from a stat sheet.

  • Mar 19, 20133:11 am
    by RussellC

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    I’m glad I’m out here in Phoenix and don’t have to watch my hometown team appear to not even try these last few games. Do Drummond and Knight make that big of a difference? I know Charlie V sucks but does Stuckey suck as bad as the box scores show? What does Maxiel do? Why would they not pull the trigger and get rid of him for Hickson even if it meant a number one pick? At some point you have to blend in some veterans and start winning now instead of continuing to hope for lottery picks. Hickson is a young vet and a double double machine. Him, Drummond, and Monroe would have been one of the top three front lines in the league. Combine them with some serviceable guards and a decent small forward and you could at least compete with Atlanta, Brooklyn, New York and Boston.

    • Mar 19, 20138:04 am
      by Derek

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      Drummond is a game changer on defense. Additionally his ability to rebound and play above the rim gives us room for error.  Knight right excels at playing hard and playing with heart, which are two hallmarks of a winner.  BK7 has a ways to go but he is at least making steps in the right direction.

      CV stretch four with a potent outside shot and the ability to score different ways.  He is uninspired when comes to playing D or even playing hard.  He pretty much stole his contract.  He needs to go.

      Stuckey is a tease.  He gives glimpses of productive, but mostly does so when it matters very little.  He does does not factor into our future plans so he needs to go.

      Maxiell is effective in small doses.  Max is a guy he gets you the occasional explosive play (rim shaking dunk, thunderous rebound, deafening block, teeth rattling foul).  He is for some reason in capable of giving that sort of effectiveness in a sample set larger than 20 minutes.  Max would be a gem off the bench on a playoff team.

      Hickson would have been a good short term fix.  What’s his contract look like?  Is he being overpaid?  I’m not sure why we didn’t make a play on Hickson.

  • Mar 19, 20133:15 am
    by Chauncey

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    You guys are over-dramatic scared little girls, this is the first year we’ve been rid of the salary cap anchor of ben gordon, we traded away tayshaun and hopefully will find a way to move on cvill and stuckey to add young talent.

    True it has been frustrating the last couple of years but this is the first year you can see the actual direction of the team rebuilding via the draft with monroe, knight, drummond even singler and the other two rookies have shown promise, they just need some time

    Unfortunately tho because of the 2009-12 period of incompetence with the disappointing BG and cvill money spent, rip losing his shit, the tmac experiment, tayshaun hanging around a tad too long and having the chris wilcox’s and kwame brown’s of the world manning our big men positions its created an impatience in the fan base.

    This step should have been taken back then but then we may not have landed the young talent we DO have. Seriously? You like nothing you see for the future of this team if it were healthy, plus another high draft pick from the next draft? Plus anything else serviceable we could pluck from free agency. No? That’s ok then, maybe go support the Sacramento Kings, they seem in much better shape

     

  • Mar 19, 20133:17 am
    by Brandon Knight

    Reply

    I would like the Pistons to draft Shabaz Mohammed if we get top 3 pick. He is a very talented small forward! I also like Burke, but the Pistons shouldn’t pick him that high. They should trade some how to get him. 
    So lets look at this young small lineup:

    PG: Trey Burke
    SG: Brandon Knight
    SF:  Shabaz Muhammed
    PF   Greg Monroe
    C:   Andre Drummond  

    • Mar 19, 20138:11 am
      by Derek

      Reply

      Wasn’t Shabazz upset when he wasn’t the one to take the buzzer beating shot to win a game this season?

      http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1521952-shabazz-muhammads-reaction-to-buzzer-beater-product-of-superstar-mentality

    • Mar 19, 20138:19 am
      by G

      Reply

      Shabazz looks pretty average. They shouldn’t draft him unless Porter, McLemore, and Oladipo are gone, and they’d probably take Bennett and Noel ahead of him also, even though the C/PF positions are pretty locked up.

      • Mar 19, 201310:35 am
        by oats

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        C/PF aren’t that locked up. There are 96 minutes at those positions in a game, and Drummond/Monroe are only set for about 2/3 of them. I would like giving the bulk of the remainder to one of those 2 guys instead of the scrubs on the roster. Either Bennett or Noel could come off the bench and look good with either starter. Bennet’s range could space the floor nicely for them, and he’s a good finisher on cuts to get feeds from Monroe. Noel’s D guarantees Monroe always has a shot blocker on the court with him, and he would turn us in to a menace defensively when paired with Drummond. Both ideas sound like a good time to me. I get that 3rd big man is less of a need than starting wing player, but I wouldn’t be that upset if 3rd big man is what we got in the draft because the good wing players were gone.
         
        Oh, and Shabazz before pick 8 or so is not good value. Only if Detroit goes on a winning streak to kill their draft positioning, or if they trade down should they be looking at him. Especially if the plan is to make him a small forward because he is small for that position, and his post game will likely disappear if he is constantly at a size disadvantage. The plan should be to try to make him a shooting guard because that is where he is most likely to be able to have an inside/outside game.

        • Mar 19, 201310:42 am
          by tarsier

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          Of course, PF/C are the easiest positions to address int his year’s FA. But I still agree about taking Noel and Bennet over Muhammad.

        • Mar 19, 201310:57 am
          by G

          Reply

          I agree, Pistons need back up PF/C, but I don’t think they should spend a top 6 pick on a back up.

          • Mar 19, 201311:15 am
            by Corey

            30 minutes a night of Noel or Bennett would beat the heck out of 30 minutes a night of CV, Maxiel, and JJ.  If the top wings are gone, you take one of them. There’s all the playing time they could ever use available.

          • Mar 19, 201311:21 am
            by G

            Less time than that if you’re starting Monroe & Drummond. It’d be more like 20 min a night for Noel and 25 for Bennett if you run him out at SF. Bottom line is the Pistons need talent more than anything, and if the talented players at positions of need are gone, take the talented ones at positions of lesser need.

          • Mar 19, 201312:38 pm
            by oats

            Stagger Monroe and Drummond. One of them is always in the game, and center is covered. Monroe plays 33 minutes right now, so assume him and Drummond combine for 65. That leaves 31 minutes a night at PF. Maybe not in their rookie years, but pretty soon you can write in either of them for all of those minutes. 3 big men are part of the rotation, and then you only need a back up center who can come in and give you some fouls off the bench in case you have foul problems or an injury. Kravstov looks pretty set for that role.

          • Mar 19, 201312:58 pm
            by G

            It just doesn’t work that way. Look at the Jazz – they’ve got 3 pretty good PF/C types with Jefferson, Millsap and Favors, and a 4th coming along in Kanter. What happens? Millsap & Jefferson both get 30+ minutes, Favors gets 22 and Kanter gets 15. 

            Plus, you can’t just make a rule that every game each guy gets 30 min. What if Drummond and Monroe are playing REALLY well together? You don’t say, “well, I hate to break this up but Noel needs his minutes”. 

          • Mar 19, 20132:28 pm
            by oats

            First of all, the Jazz have a 4th guy who is close to the top 3, and they are pushing for him to get more playing time because they will likely let one of Millsap and Jefferson go. Detroit is not in that situation at all, and they wouldn’t be in this scenario. It’s just not a fair comparison.
             
            If the biggest problem with the plan that sometimes Drummond and Monroe will play really well together, then I don’t see why that is a big concern. Even in that scenario, Monroe and Drummond will likely come out with around 70 minutes, so Noel would still have some minutes. It’s not like the team couldn’t play small ball with Noel at the 5 for a few minutes to keep Drummond and Monroe together more. As for Bennett, he’d probably not be a great small ball 5 but could give you some minutes at the 3 in jumbo sets in that scenario. The average game will probably be closer to a 3 way split anyways, and there will probably be a few games where Noel/Bennett is the guy who is playing really well with someone else. It will average out to around 30 a piece. There are enough front court minutes for 3 guys to get major minutes, especially since there is some versatility in these 3 pieces.

          • Mar 19, 20133:21 pm
            by Huddy

            I think the point the guy above(Corey) was making was Noel OR Bennet not the two together(reread his words) would be better to eat 30 min ALONE instead of rotating any combination of Charlie Jerebko and Maxiell.  If this is the case there would definitely be enough minutes for the one, but personally I think its difficult to rely on one rookie big to back both your big men up so you would still need someone else with them anyway.
             
            @G if you don’t think we should waste a top 6 pick on a back up why would you want Oladipo on your board?  I asked this in a different post because I doubt the Pistons move Knight to the bench and Oladipo is undersized for a SF so wouldn’t he be a back up?  And not just that if Knight is going to be starting it seems like It would be a long time before Oladipo could ever be more than a back up.  I guess maybe if we see him as 6th man that is more than just a back up but I have that same feeling about not wanting to draft a back up so Oladipo is a question mark in that sense. 
             
            This could be one of our last higher draft picks for a while so if Porter/Mclemore are gone I kind of jump right to Burke (maybe with a trade down) because atleast he would be backing up a position where (if we keep Calderon) he could be a back up with the purpose of learning and taking over relatively soon as opposed to backing up another young guy that seems to be in our long term plans.

          • Mar 19, 20133:38 pm
            by G

            I like Oladipo because I’m not sure if Knight SHOULD be in the long-term plans. Oladipo would eventually take the starting spot from Knight with Knight coming in as a scorer off the bench or getting moved in an eventual trade. By the way, McLemore is a 6’5″ SG also, and would probably have the same effect on the starting rotation as Oladipo or Muhammad would.

            I think at this point the 3 best players on the team are Monroe, Calderon and Drummond in some order. Knight is somewhere in there with Stuckey and Singler as a borderline starter. Oladipo and McLemore (and probably Shabazz, to be honest) represent an upgrade at SG, so the Pistons are right to consider them with a high pick. Noel doesn’t really represent an upgrade at C or PF, and I don’t think Bennett does either. Bennett at least gives you some variety, Noel basically gives you what Drummond already does.

            Like I said before, I’d take one of them, but only if the other guys were gone. 

          • Mar 19, 20133:55 pm
            by Huddy

            I’m not pulling for a PF/C I was just clarifying that the guy that started the thing about Bennet and Noel wasn’t talking about somehow getting them both.  I was discussing the possibility of going for a PG (Burke is my preference) instead with a possible trade down even.
             
            I would rather see Knight in a 6th man role, but that doesn’t mean I am sure Oladipo will push him out of the line up and really Knight isn’t a lost cause so even given current production by knight we can’t be sure we are drafting Oladipo to replace him.  I didn’t realize Mclemore was quite that short so my bad on that but I didn’t mention Shabazz because I’m not a fan of picking him regardless of his NBA position.  With Knight still having the potential to be our starting SG (and I am not a big fan of his)  I think there is at least some sense behind bringing in a PG that could develop under Jose and be our potential starter not to mention the fact that resigning Jose is a sure thing and if he were to go we would be relatively screwed at PG.  Basically we can see how long it will be until we need a new PG, but our need at SG is questionable is my point.  If we are top 4 we have a chance at Porter so thats obvious, below that I would consider a PG.

          • Mar 19, 20134:28 pm
            by G

            Yeah, I know he didn’t mean get BOTH Noel & Bennett. That would be pretty tricky to pull off. Don’t be too married to SF, PG or bust though. Outside of Burke, the rest of the PG class look more like combo guards. The Pistons aren’t the only team needing a solid PG, and it’s likely whoever drafts Burke will want to hang onto him.

            It’s better to be a little less specific in what you’re looking for in the draft, position-wise. I think the Pistons should be looking for the best PERIMETER player available, whether he plays PG, SG or SF. SF would be the best fit, but really you just want the best talent you can get in this draft.

          • Mar 19, 20135:18 pm
            by oats

            I also would prefer a perimeter player, but Bennett and Noel have a higher grade than I would give anyone outside of the top 3 of Porter, McLemore, and Oladipo. Even though they are third big men, I prefer them to Muhammad, Harris, Burke, and Poythress because I just have lower grades on them. While I didn’t specify it, part of the attraction of getting one of the big men is that it gives the team more flexibility in looking for a trade. As much as I like Monroe and Drummond, I’m aware there is a chance the team may end up moving them sometime, and getting a 3rd big man now gives them the flexibility to easily do that if need be. Or, the team has a highly rated big man prospect in the new draft pick that they can try to move. If a trade doesn’t come through, I’d be pretty happy with just having my front court minutes divvied up almost entirely by 3 very good big men and have that be the focal point of the rebuilding effort. I think a smart perimeter player would look at that and Detroit’s cap space and put a higher priority on going to Detroit. Obviously the money is the real attraction, but knowing you have some quality young bigs to pair up with is pretty nice too. All of these scenarios make more sense to me then drafting a lower rated player because he fills a more obvious need.

          • Mar 19, 20136:18 pm
            by Huddy

            I wouldn’t take a much lower rated player because of position but the ratings this year are varied.  Oladipo is top 5 for some scouts and 10+ for others (just an example) So Burke might not be that far from the top guys in terms of worth we will have to wait for tournament performance and team workouts before we can be sure who holds their current rating.

    • Mar 19, 201310:44 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      I think we can agree that Muhammad looks a bit better than Knight. We disagree about what that means. Sanity dictates that he shouldn’t be taken in the first half of the lottery. You seem to think he is a top 3 pick.

  • Mar 19, 20133:34 am
    by mshansky

    Reply

    The exact same postings appeared near the end lasttime last two seasons, that the next season would reveal an improved team. NOT
    Oh, and i must have forgotten how  ”improved” they were before Drummond’s injury. Sheesh, they woulda made the playoffs even!
    And all this cap money will be splurk getting another draft pick with potential, but not ready for 3-4 years.
    No decent free agent will come here….doesn’t that say anything I about here foreseeable future here?
     

    • Mar 19, 20138:36 am
      by G

      Reply

      You no speak good English. Want I to argue with you but uncertain am I what the hell you’re saying.

    • Mar 19, 20139:42 am
      by Jeremy

      Reply

      You sir, need to read up on the NBA CBA. The NBA uses a rookie wage scale and their salaries are pretty much determined for them based on where they are picked. The agents can then negotiate for a contract up to 120% of the predetermined draft position amount. That is why a guy like Andre Drummond (#7 pick) is only costing the team $2.36 million and a guys like Anthony Davis is costing the Hornets a tad over $5 million. Any contract that is paid out to a rookie will be only a small percentage of what they could potentially have to spend.
       
      Furthermore, I am frankly starting to get tired of the “no decent free agent will come here” argument. It is a completely ignorant position. The honest truth is most major free agents (i.e. the superstars) don’t leave their prior teams because of “bird rights.” Teams that hold “bird rights” over a player are able to offer an additional year over and above everyone else – when you’re talking about giving someone a max deal, you’re talking Kobe money and that is enough to entice any guy to stay – no matter how bad the situation. You don’t see big name free agents sign in Detroit because Joe D hasn’t had the cap space available when any of them are free agents to even be able to pursue them. The success this team had in the first decade of this century had absolutely nothing to do with acquiring a superstar player via free agency. Joe built the team the same exact way that the Denver Nuggets built their current roster – traded a very good (Melo – G.Hill?) for a bunch of talented, team oriented, smart basketball players.
       
      Why wouldn’t a guy want to come here? The organization has always been known for its professionalism and excellence – whether it transfers to the court is a mute point. You wouldn’t have former NBA players and guys around the league expressing those sentiments if it wasn’t true. From what I can tell, the fan base is actually one of the better one’s in the NBA.  You don’t consecutively sell out the number of games that they did and lead the league in attendance for the number of years that they did with out a strong fan base. That is something Miami, San Antonio, New York, or Boston can boast about. Hell San Antonio has difficulty selling out play off games. Also, as a free agent, you’re going to be getting a pay check. As a team I am an employer paying you, the player, for your services. It isn’t like they are asking them to come an volunteer here. Can’t make the argument that guys don’t want to come here because of the winter and depressing economic conditions. I’m sorry but guys have come here before and last I checked there has been snow in Detroit since 1957 (when the Pistons moved here from Ft. Wayne) and that actually may correlate with the time in which the auto industry started to die. Last I checked, the areas where most of Detroit’s professional athletes (any sport) live and play during the season, amongst Detroit’s other rich, famous, and executives, is still considered one of the wealthiest places in the country. If I remember correctly, Billups, Ben, Sheed, and Rip were all neighbors in a Bloomfield Hills subdivision and I know for a fact that Blaha calls Bloomfield Hills home.
       
      Moral of the story if you’ve stuck with me this long: Quit making the argument that “no decent free agent” will want to come here because it is simply not true.
       

      • Mar 19, 201310:45 am
        by oats

        Reply

        I hate to be the proofreader guy, especially since I make so many typos myself. Still, it’s moot point and not mute point. Moot means having no practical impact or relevance. Or if you’re going for the old definition but the one still used in England, moot means debatable. Mute means silent. I am only correcting this because so many people get it wrong.

  • Mar 19, 20137:55 am
    by Vic

    Reply

    Pistons are in great shape.
    - A solid 4 and 5.
    - ok 2s
    - unfortunate but fortunate injuries (a la Spurs Robinson/Duncan)
    - high draft pick to spend (lotto for Otto!) 
    - money to spend and fill in the gaps

    Pistons only problem now is the coach. If he doesnt get to 2nd round of the playoffs with next years team, they need a new one.

    But overall the Pistons are set up nice for a decade.  That is unless they draft Shabazz Mihammad. That’ll push the next championshiP back into the 2020s

    • Mar 19, 20138:40 am
      by G

      Reply

      Shabazz wouldn’t be a nail in the coffin, but they definitely would need to find some other pieces. You don’t think he could start for them right now? I do. I’d rather have Porter or Oladipo, but Shabazz doesn’t look like a disaster.

  • Mar 19, 20138:21 am
    by GET WELL SUSAN

    Reply

    im tired of us drafting a bunch of nice guys, we need some attitude on this team….

    • Mar 19, 20138:41 am
      by Brigs

      Reply

      I was thinking the exact same thing, can’t win championships without an edge and none of our key players have showed any type of edge

    • Mar 19, 20139:13 am
      by Clint in Flint

      Reply

      When it comes to attitudes Laimbeer has that covered. It might be contagious .

      • Mar 19, 20139:17 am
        by Blocks by Dre

        Reply

        Yeah if he was actually our coach and not Frank

      • Mar 19, 201310:01 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        I not saying Shabazz is the answer, But we were a go team but Sheed joined us, but gave the pistons a certain swagger or edge that we just have before ….

        You need someone that plays with a mean confidence,  

        • Mar 19, 201310:18 am
          by G

          Reply

          Oladipo.

        • Mar 19, 201310:38 am
          by oats

          Reply

          Porter has some swagger too. I suspect McLemore has some in him. But yeah, G nailed it with Oladipo. He has plenty of attitude.

          • Mar 19, 201311:16 am
            by GET WELL SUSAN

            everytime I’ve seen him, I have not been impressed….

            He is streaky, but the NBA game might fit his style of play better….

            He is athletic, but he is not the first of his kind…. He is streaky….

            Great in the open court horrible against zone defense….plays physical against under developed college guys, will not do that in the NBA…

            Last 10 games he only has 2 stand out games….and his team went 6-4 …..

          • Mar 19, 201311:39 am
            by oats

            Your boy Muhammad is far more reliant on a size advantage that will largely disappear in the NBA, so if anyone is hampered by physical play on the next level it’s him. But just how physical are NBA 2 guards? I don’t see them being a problem for Oladipo, and unlike Muhammad I know Oladipo will competently defend shooting guards. If Muhammad is a small forward he will struggle against guys much bigger than him.
             
            Oladipo’s offense clearly needs work. That said, he has made some significant strides in it. Indiana doesn’t run many plays for him, but watch when they do. One of the best is when someone sets a pick near the top of key. Oladipo will use that space and go straight to the hoop. That’s how you get Oladipo better in the half court, you focus on using screens to create space for him, and let his speed take over from there. Don’t get me wrong, he needs a lot of work in the half court, but it’s hard to fault him too much for relying on the fast break when he creates so many fast break opportunities with great defense and good rebounding for a guard.
             
            Oh, and the last 10 games thing is only true if you are only looking at scoring. Factor in his defense and rebounding and he was really good in 6 of them. Plus, his team’s record is not all on him, and it has something to do with how tough the Big 10 really is. 

          • Mar 19, 201311:42 am
            by G

            Oladipo usually guards the opponent’s best player, be it a PG, SG or SF. I don’t see the “plays physical vs underdeveloped college guys” thing, I see him moving his feet quicker and having position. He gets a ton of steals, runs all over the place, and gets a ton of rebounds.

            Shabazz can score, but what else? He doesn’t rebound much, doesn’t get steals or block shots. He usually just checks the guy who’s guarding him. Even though Muhammad MAY have a slightly more diverse offensive game, Oladipo’s FG/3PT/FT shooting numbers are significantly better than Muhammad’s are:
            Muhammad – .447/.400/.705
            Oladipo – .599/.443/.750

             

          • Mar 19, 201311:43 am
            by oats

            By the way, Oladipo isn’t my top guy. If swagger is what you are going for, he definitely belongs on the list. It was your prime requisite, not mine. I want talent, period. Porter and McLemore top my draft board, but I will admit I have Oladipo way ahead of Muhammad.

          • Mar 19, 201311:51 am
            by G

            ^Absolutely. I just said Oladipo because he “brings the nasty” better than Shabazz, and he seems to be enjoyable to play with, unlike Shabazz.

          • Mar 19, 201312:48 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            YES! I look at scoring…

            college defender do not always translate in NBA defenders….
            college rebounders do not always rebound well once in the NBA….

            i did say he might have a game tailor made for the NBA…

            But we need scoring, a consistent threat on the wing….

            Oladipo is NOT 6’5 …. I promise in shoes he might, but might be 6’4 or 6’3 .75

            He is Not a PG… he is Not a SF …he is a SG…and a slashing SG….

            I love the hustle, i love the energy, and would not be upset if he landed in Detroit…but that means knight moves back to the PG spot, or Oladipo comes off the bench….

            Shabazz or a player like Shabazz just makes more sense, bigger with a already developed perimeter NBA game..

          • Mar 19, 20131:04 pm
            by oats

            College scoring doesn’t always translate to the next level either. In fact, it is way more likely to be off. Otherwise Erick Green would be the top pick in the draft. Rebounding and defense are far more likely to translate than any other skill set, so this is just a really dumb stance to take. If the defense doesn’t translate, it is almost always due to a lack of athleticism or size. That is obviously not a concern for Oladipo.
             
            NBA players are measured in shoes. 6’5″ in shoes is a good height for an NBA shooting guard.
             
            Shabazz is bigger, but he is only big as a shooting guard. He’s 6’6″ with shoes. There is not some huge difference here, and he is really small for the 3. All Shabazz brings to the table at that position is 3 point shooting, but he won’t defend it particularly well, he won’t rebound well, and he won’t pass well. He is actually better served playing shooting guard, just like Oladipo. The difference is Oladipo is an elite defender and athlete at that position, and Oladipo is actually shooting better than Muhammad on a percentage basis.
             
            Knight doesn’t go back to point guard, that’s dumb. Knight hasn’t proven he can do it. It makes far more sense for one of them to be the 6th man, and my bet is on Knight. His height limits him as a defender, and his skill set screams Jamaal Crawford to me. If he is on the bench he probably does run the point a little bit, flipping between guard spots so he doesn’t get exposed playing the point full time.

          • Mar 19, 20131:07 pm
            by G

            Problem with that is MAYBE Shabazz is 6’6″ in shoes, but he’s got less hops than Oladipo and he projects better as a SG than a SF. 

            On what basis are you saying Oladipo’s D doesn’t translate to the NBA? It looks legit to me. He plays bigger guys, smaller guys, quick guys & slow guys. Stops them all. I’ll flip it on you – what makes you think Shabazz’s offense will translate to the NBA all that well? Because he doesn’t look that explosive to me.

            What do the Pistons need more, a jump shooter or a lock-down defender? Oladipo gives them the defender, and he comes with more offense that MKG did last year. 

          • Mar 19, 20131:09 pm
            by G

            Word, oats, beat me by a couple minutes. This Oladipo/Shabazz argument is silly, we want Porter anyway.

          • Mar 19, 20131:28 pm
            by oats

            Agreed on Porter. Porter is the one who actually is a small forward, plus he does everything well. He’s the most complete player in the draft.

  • Mar 19, 20139:15 am
    by Scott Free

    Reply

    Man you’d think the Pistons would have gone off on some crazy winning streak after Knight went down to injuries.  

    • Mar 19, 201310:51 am
      by GET WELL SUSAN

      Reply

      LOL! RIGHT!

      was only averaging 18-19ppg in the last 10 game…kid gets no respect…

      Not talking about you Scott…

      • Mar 19, 201311:07 am
        by G

        Reply

        That 18-19 ppg would be incorrect. If you don’t count the Utah game where he only played 4 scoreless minutes, then he’s averaging 15.7 ppg in his last 10. Which is not bad, I guess. If you DO count the Utah game (and statistically speaking it would count), then he averaged 15.0 ppg.

        I don’t think anybody thought the team would be better with Knight on the bench. I certainly didn’t. At the same time, which of those games do you think he could’ve swung the Pistons’ way? MAYBE the Warriors game, but probably not.

        • Mar 19, 201311:35 am
          by GET WELL SUSAN

          Reply

          you are correct i was referring to what he did coming back from his first injury…he was averaging 18 plus ppg … in the last 6 games shooting very well 45% and 43% for 3′s

          He and Calderon were clicking offensively

          • Mar 19, 201311:45 am
            by G

            He had 1 great game, 2 good games and 2 bad games. I was encouraged at the time, but still not sure if it was counterfeit. 

          • Mar 19, 201311:46 am
            by G

            *3 bad games counting the Clippers, 4 bad games if you count the Jazz. Anyway.

          • Mar 19, 201312:01 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            3 games he scored better than 20point and shot better than 50% , Wiz, Hornets, Mav ..
            2 poor games Spurs and Clippers (whole team sucked)
            1 average so-so game Knicks ( started slowed finished strong)

          • Mar 19, 201312:17 pm
            by G

            Like I said, 1 great game vs. the Wiz (32 pts, .611 FG%), 2 good games vs. NO & DAL (22 pts, .556 FG% vs NO, 21 pts, .529 FG% vs DAL), and 3 bad games: SA (8 pts, .214), NY (17 pts, .353), and LAC (10 pts, .333). 

            That hardly qualifies as going on a tear. It doesn’t even match up to the string of 20+ point games Stuckey put together last year, which was counterfeit of course. Knight looked better as a whole, but he wasn’t exactly knocking my socks off either.

    • Mar 19, 201311:00 am
      by oats

      Reply

      Straw man, I see you. No one thought we’d be better without Knight, so this proves exactly nothing.

      • Mar 19, 201312:25 pm
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Exactly, Knight is a below average starter, an above average backup. That’s all anyone has said about him. And that he is not the world beater a couple people like a few commenters claim. He’d make most teams rotations. He’s higher up the depth chart for the Pistons than for many because they are bad. SO obviously losing him hurts. But he’s still not very good.

  • Mar 19, 201310:39 am
    by Huddy

    Reply

    What do you guys think about Martell Webster in FA.  I know his recent output can be at least partially attributed to it being a contract year, but his 3pt efficiency is and has been solid and he should come at a decent price.  Playing with Nene and Emeka has really opened him up and Monroe/Drummond could do the same thing, but with better passing from Monroe.

    • Mar 19, 201310:56 am
      by GET WELL SUSAN

      Reply

      nice weapon off the bench

    • Mar 19, 201311:19 am
      by oats

      Reply

      I’m a bit wary of Webster. He’s a little bit of a bonehead from what I’ve seen of him. Not a problem if you are grabbing him as a bench player, but if the team is planning on starting him they should be careful. That said, he can shoot and if they don’t overpay him then he has some significant value. He’s definitely the kind of guy the team should look at. The key is salary. There are a lot of guys that can do more or less what Webster does. Brandon Rush, Anthony Morrow, Mike Dunleavy Jr, Roger Mason Jr, and Dorell Wright could all do most of what Webster does. Rush might actually be better if he’s healthy. Dunleavy and Mason are old, so I wouldn’t mind focusing on the other guys. Still, as long as the team keeps in mind there are other options so they shouldn’t overpay one of them, but they are the kind of players the team might be looking at depending on what else happens in the draft and free agency. 

      • Mar 19, 201311:38 am
        by Huddy

        Reply

        Yeah I don’t see him as a starter of the future, I think he could start on a team with enough other weapons or even on the Pistons with the right development at other positions, but I see him more as an off the bench guy at a good price.  Id prefer smaller moves like this to a FA signing like Mayo who could easily be overpaid at least until we can facilitate a quality trade for cap relief.  I agree on Morrow, not Wright because he is not nearly as good of a shooter and not a fan of adding old or injury prone guys like Rush and Mason.  Guys like Webster and Morrow are exactly what the team needs to open up the floor.  If Andre is going where everyone hopes he is all you have to do is look at Orlando with Dwight to see that consistent 3pt shooters can be invaluable when paired with that kind of inside presence.  Calderon and Webster are 2 of the top 3 3pt shooters (Percentage) in the NBA right now which could be huge if Drummond and Monroe are meshing. 

        • Mar 19, 201311:53 am
          by oats

          Reply

          I agree with that. I included those other guys to point out the need to keep Webster on a relatively small contract. I have no problem paying him more than anyone else I just listed, he’s probably the top target and I’d have Morrow as my second favorite target. If Webster is making twice what Mason is making for maybe 10% more production, that would be a mistake. Neither guy is someone you really want starting for long. Yeah, it’s nice that you can pencil Webster in longer than Mason, but there is always some mid level wing player that can shoot pretty well and is available for cheap. If you get Webster you are set for 4 years. If you get Mason, put him on a 1 year deal and start looking again next year when a similar crop of guys hits the market.

          • Mar 19, 201312:32 pm
            by Huddy

            It looks like The Wizards are fairly interested in bringing Webster back so he may not be the best deal but now that you mention Morrow that is a pretty good fit.  If we finish the draft with starting SF still open I might even consider Korver at a reasonable price.  He could be productive for 2-3 years and his game won’t make him age poorly.  I’m not sure what he will be asking for on the market, but he could be a fit.

  • Mar 19, 201311:02 am
    by visions

    Reply

    Coaching…Coaching…..Coaching is the essential factor void of high draft picks… This season has been a absolute waste….Let’s get re-focused and clear our vision. The foundation is Coaching.. that permeates into  enhanced attitudes, personal desires, passion, and motivation that projects and  manifest into a winning environment.   Pistons have no personality, and lack in all the stated areas.  They appear aimless. The owner should see this. Hoping and wishing will not transform these appearances. They however are only appearances… but appearances can be transformed but it requires a purposeful intention and actions and a consciousness to establish an identity of what you want to achieve…Let’s understand it’s not what is happening!!!!!!!!!!!  but WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!

    • Mar 19, 201311:09 am
      by G

      Reply

      That’s a lot of exclamation marks.

    • Mar 19, 201311:25 am
      by Huddy

      Reply

      Tired of hearing about coaching.  I am not against a coaching change in general, but end of season it makes no sense.  This is not a middle school basketball team these are adult professional basketball players that have had numerous coaches and trainers and while coaching can make a good team better, or a great team the best team, it does not make a bad team a good team.  We do not have enough talent, that is all.  With Drummond out or coming of the bench our starting center is far below sub par in talent and even size, our SF is in no ones mind a starting level calibur even if he improves, our SG is certainly improving but developing…we simply are not good enough yet.  The foundation is not coaching it is good players.  Every championship team has talent…all great coaches people mention have coached talent.

      • Mar 19, 201311:43 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        we probably lost 10 games this year to coaching decisions alone…and im trying to be nice…

        Maxiell starting Cost us soo many games….

        Benching Bynum, Charlie,Daye and Jerebko …killed our scoring from the Bench….

        ISOTAY – Numbed the offensive ball movement…

        Sitting the player with the hot hand for the sake of the rotation integrity….

        designed plays for Stuckey to come off the bench and take the game winning or tying 3 pointer… over better 3 point shooters

        Drummond sitting when teams are running lay up drills…

        Monroe on the Bench in favor of 3 point shooting, when we had the lead….

        Blown lead after blown lead…

        • Mar 19, 201311:51 am
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          OH! and how can I forget the POOR defensive adjustments made?

          Example: Double Reggie Evans, and Leave Joe Johnson open?

          Trapping Non-3 point shooters, leaving open 3 point shooters?

          just bad

          • Mar 19, 201312:03 pm
            by G

            I’m guessing that has more to do with having a roster stocked with defensively boneheaded players than it does with coaching.

            Firing Frank seems attractive because it looks like an easy fix. “Oh, all we have to do is fire this guy, hire someone better, and the Pistons make the playoffs next year!” The reality is the coach is less important than you’re making him out to be. The ISOTAY thing and the Stuckey shooting the “hero ball” has more to do with personnel than coaching, and it’s hard to blame the coach for a blown lead when the players are bricking wide-open shots.

            Problems with Frank – waiting too long to pull the trigger on Drummond, not correctly identifying his 10 best players (and establishing a solid rotation), and lack of in-game adjustments. I think you’re identifying too many of the TEAM problems as COACHING problems. 

        • Mar 19, 201312:18 pm
          by Huddy

          Reply

          You are missing the point.  Pouring out examples of why you hate the coach jumps right over where I say I am not against a coaching change just not at this point in the season.  The point isn’t that coaching doesn’t affect the game at all it is that our talent level isn’t at a level yet where coaching would even have a chance to push us over the edge into being a contender. 
           
          10 games is a debatable number but it puts us battling for the 8th spot with no hope of winning in the first round .  In addition those coaching decisions you say cost us 10 games aren’t necessarily ones that cause a loss.  For example, “Double Reggie Evans, and Leave Joe Johnson open?”  thats a bad coaching decision totally agree.  The bigger picture is that the Nets are better.  Replace Frank with Phil Jackson and the Nets are a better team than us right now, our rosters are not of the same caliber.

          Like I said I am not against a coaching change it just makes little sense to be pushing for it at this point in a season.  Even if you are complaining about how it should have happened earlier, had we changed coaches and got some more wins where would we be now?  worse of in the lottery and still devoid of enough talent to be good.
           
           

        • Mar 19, 20132:11 pm
          by RussellC

          Reply

          Again as I’m in Phoenix and don’t get to watch the games, if I’m watching something else and the scores are crawling across the bottom of the screen, there are too many times to count this year when the Pistons have had double digit leads in the second half, even into the fourth quarter only to lose the game. They were good enough to get that lead, so why not keep doing what you did to get the lead or adjust the the other team’s adjustments when the lead starts to slip away. That to me is more coaching than anything. Not saying that the team has talent from top to bottom, but they should be good enough to compete with most teams on most nights, especially at home. How long you gonna keep waiting for the stars to align and get the right combinantion of ping pong balls and cap space?

          • Mar 19, 20132:27 pm
            by Huddy

            Being a good team isn’t about just being able to capitalize on a few regular season early leads.  The point is we can only be so good regardless of the coach with the players we have.  Winning a few more nail biters doesn’t make us a contender.
             
            How long do you wait to have the right combination of draft picks and cap space?  As long as it takes lots of things factor in like player contracts, teams willing to trade, who is available in FA or via trade, how lucrative your pick is or how good the draft class even is…what kind of question is that?  As if the Pistons could just hire a new coach and boom our developing players are all of the sudden developed and the holes in our roster are filled.  This isn’t the Lakers looking for the right system for their All Stars to shine in.

  • Mar 19, 201311:19 am
    by Sidewalkvendor

    Reply

    Is there a way we can get stan van gundy to coach here?

    • Mar 19, 201311:22 am
      by G

      Reply

      Open up a few Chicken & Waffle Houses.

  • Mar 19, 201312:32 pm
    by Otis

    Reply

    I love the tanking speculation. Get real. Like there’s reason to believe these games should be up in the air. The only team on this nine game skid I think the Pistons should even have an honest chance again was the Hornets.
     
    This team needs SWEEPING change. A solid-but-unspectacular draft pick and a solid-but-unspectacular free agent or two will get this team nowhere. They need spectacular, and if it costs them Knight, Monroe and a heap of their cap space, then so be it.

    • Mar 19, 201312:45 pm
      by Huddy

      Reply

      What does spectacular mean?  is it Lebron?  or just any allstar?  Is it multiple all stars?  Highly unlikely Dwight or Paul are leaving their situations for anywhere so that leaves nothing spectacular to spend a heap of cap space on.
      What are Knight and Monroe worth in trade?  one allstar? does losing them and bringing in one player help us? no.  We don’t even have a pick to throw in because of the Charlotte trade.
       
      I can appreciate being realistic about how much better we can get in a single year, but it is unrealistic to act as if we can simply acquire spectacular players even considering trading monroe and knight.  Spectacular players have spectacular value so I guess we could give up every player with potential we have to get a star and then how well off are we.  It is very difficult to make that jump but for a team like this you have to rely on a certain amount of growth from existing pieces and some luck with how drafted players and FAs work out to move up. 
       

      • Mar 19, 20131:13 pm
        by G

        Reply

        I guarantee you a “spectacular” player would cost Drummond and at least one other good player, Knight or … crap, I can’t think of anyone. Singler? Hah! This team is hilarious.

        • Mar 19, 20132:44 pm
          by Huddy

          Reply

          Thats what I’m saying.  It makes no sense to talk about adding spectacular proven players to our team as if it is a viable option.  Beyond who is even comparable in trade most spectacular players aren’t available.  Even if a great young prospect like Drummond is a part of the deal many teams would rather keep their current all stars instead of trading us to become the rebuilding team. 

          • Mar 19, 20133:15 pm
            by G

            I also think it’s funny that he says a solid draft pick and a solid FA haul get the Pistons nowhere. Really? You don’t think a solid 5 starters and solid bench gets you into the middle of the playoffs? Name ONE spectacular player on the Hawks, Nuggets, Bulls (not counting Rose, since he isn’t playing), or Pacers. I’d argue that Memphis, Brooklyn and Golden State also lack a spectacular player although they have a couple who are close.

          • Mar 20, 20139:31 am
            by tarsier

            I’d call Paul George and Steph Curry spectacular. But I guess that’s an opinion. Drummond and a draft pick could each be spectacular. It would take some luck to get to even second tier contention, but, with internal development from the young guys, a good pick, and a solid free agent signing, the Pistons could get there. And then it will just require good timing to be on the upswing when the Heat are on the downswing.

          • Mar 20, 201310:27 am
            by G

            I thought about George, but he’s kind of a borderline All Star. Steph Curry… yeah, ok, he qualifies.

  • Mar 19, 20132:14 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    “”Even though Muhammad MAY have a slightly more diverse offensive game, Oladipo’s FG/3PT/FT shooting numbers are significantly better than Muhammad’s are:
    Muhammad – .447/.400/.705
    Oladipo – .599/.443/.750″”

    True… but Shabazz has 438 shot attempts vs Oladipo 279
    Shabazz has 100 3 point attempts vs oladipo 61….

    I like Oladipo dont get me wrong he is cool….  But cmon the 6’6 225 G-F with a 7’0 wingspan…. 38-39 inch Vertical … playing on your wing or 6’4 210 G with 6’7 wing span… maybe a 40 inch vertical…

    Porter is going in the top 3… All im saying is one guy just fits the need better …but its okay to disagree

    • Mar 19, 20132:52 pm
      by oats

      Reply

      Don’t use Muhammad in shoes and Oladipo without. Oladipo is 6’5″, not 6’5″. Your wingspan on Oladipo is completely made up, but if I had to guess I’d say he’s over 6’8″. Muhammad’s wingspan is 6’11.25″, which should round down to 6’11″. Your guess on Muhammad’s vertical is also made up, and I suspect you are high. None of that addresses Muhammad’s bigger issue, his lateral quickness. That’s the only reason he’s being projected as a SF, he might not be quick enough to guard shooting guards. And again, Oladipo has done a good job guarding the opponents best perimeter player every game. He has done a better job defending SFs than Muhammad has done, and he’s much better at guarding point guards and shooting guards.
       
      Muhammad has either athleticism concerns at the 2, or size concerns at the 3. Oladipo is very clearly a 2 guard. Muhammad can shoot, and I’ll give you the sample size argument. If Muhammad is a SF then he does nothing but shoot, and he’s likely to be a defensive liability at either position. Oladipo is going to be a good defender, his athleticism will allow him to get some points, and he actually has been shooting better than Muhammad in a smaller sample size. This isn’t close for me, Oladipo is far and away the better fit. This team needs perimeter defense like crazy, and Oladipo gives them that. This team needs outside shooters who can hit a shot if left open, and Oladipo fits that hole too. His shooting is a slight concern due to limited sample size, but Oladipo’s rebounding and defense are just so much better than Muhammad’s that I’d rather bet on his limited sample size than bet that Muhammad will do anything other than shoot.
       
      Look, maybe I can’t convince you, but the stats are all on my side. There’s also a growing number of scouts that are leaning my way too. Chad Ford has Detroit taking Oladipo over Muhammad if both are on the board, and Ford has been pretty good at projecting Detroit’s picks in the past.

      • Mar 19, 20132:53 pm
        by oats

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        *6’5″, not 6’4″. Darn typo.

      • Mar 19, 20135:25 pm
        by tarsier

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        Muhammad reminds me of Harrison Barnes. I’d happily take him if the price is right. But a top 7 pick is not the right price.

        Oladipo is more reminiscent of Wade pre-NBA (Wade way over-achieved upon reaching the NBA and I couldn’t count on the same from Oladipo, but I’d still take him over Muhammad).

        But hopefully the choice doesn’t go there. Ideally, one of McLemore and Porter will be available. 

    • Mar 19, 20133:03 pm
      by G

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      First off, Porter isn’t necessarily going in the top 3. Some teams have Smart, Noel, McLemore, and even Bennett and Oladipo ranked higher on their boards. The draft can be strange. Last year most people believed Drummond would be gone by the 5th pick and the Pistons would be settling for John Henson.

      Not sure where you’re getting your measurables from for Oladipo and Muhammad. They’re only 1 inch different in height, and Oladipo supposedly has the edge in both wingspan and vertical, although the RELIABLE numbers won’t come out until the NBA combine.

      Not that I pay TOO much attention to measurables anyway, the tape says Oladipo can check anyone and Shabazz’s D is ok, not great. You said you wanted someone with a nasty streak. I don’t see that with Shabazz.

      • Mar 19, 20134:42 pm
        by Brandon Knight

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        I would draft Shabazz only if Oladipo and McLemore are gone. I don’t like Porter. Noel, if he is not going to start why pick him that high!?

        • Mar 19, 20134:46 pm
          by G

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          What? I thought everybody liked Porter. What don’t you like about him?

        • Mar 19, 20134:50 pm
          by G

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          By the way, I’m not advocating the Pistons draft Noel, I’m saying some OTHER teams have him higher than Porter on their boards.

        • Mar 19, 20135:10 pm
          by tarsier

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          “Noel, if he is not going to start why pick him that high!?”

          Said the Portland Trailblazers when taking Bowie over Jordan because they had Clyde Drexler.

          You take the best guy and then you figure things out. If that means trading him or someone else on your roster, so be it. Better that than to take a lesser player because the position is open. Use roster needs as a tiebreaker, but not much more.

          • Mar 19, 20135:24 pm
            by oats

            ^This. Drafting for need doesn’t make much sense to me. Fundamentally, every team in the lottery needs more talent first and foremost. Get the talent, then figure out what to do with those assets. Maybe they figure out how to put it together. If they don’t, then you have some nice trade assets. Who knows, maybe Bennett/Noel turns out to be better than Monroe or Drummond and we end up really wishing we hadn’t passed on them.

        • Mar 20, 20139:00 am
          by G

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          Also, I’m leaning towards Porter as the #1 pick if the Pistons win the lotto. I know Chad Ford has them taking McLemore over Porter, but I think Porter is the most complete player in the draft AND he fills a position of need.

          • Mar 20, 20139:24 am
            by tarsier

            They both fill a need. It comes down to guessing which will have the better career.

          • Mar 20, 201310:32 am
            by G

            Not sure, but I’m starting to think Porter gives you more than McLemore does.

    • Mar 19, 20135:34 pm
      by tarsier

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      I do have to concede though, that you’re right that Muhammad’s efficiency is depressed relative to Oladipo’s by having to take a larger role.

      Also, as a freshman, he hasn’t had the time to improve that Oladipo did.

      But I just don’t love Muhammad’s game. He seems a one-dimensional scorer, and a very good one, but not an elite one. Rudy Gay seems like his ceiling. And I’d be happy to have a Rudy Gay type on a rookie deal. But that’s not good enough for a ceiling. 

      • Mar 19, 20135:55 pm
        by Brandon Knight

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        I would draft Victor Oladipo, I love explosive athletes like him.

        • Mar 19, 20136:07 pm
          by Brandon Knight

          Reply

          But I would move Knight back to the PG position.

          • Mar 20, 20138:06 am
            by G

            Right, set Knight up to fail. Good move.

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