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Khris Middleton takes advantage of chance at extended minutes in loss to Mavericks

Dallas Mavericks 102 FinalRecap | Box Score 99 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 34 MIN | 4-10 FG | 4-6 FT | 13 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 12 PTS | -1Jason Maxiell had his second straight good game, hopefully a sign that he’ll end the season strong. He would’ve shot 50 percent in this game if not for a missed open dunk in the first half that he went up for and didn’t look to completely have his feet under him. Maxiell has been a lightning rod for criticism this season, mostly because nearly everyone wanted to see more of Andre Drummond. But it’s not his fault Maxiell has been asked to play a role as a starter that he’s not really equipped to play. Like I said, he deserves a strong finish to the season as he enters free agency. He’s worked hard the last two seasons to get himself in shape and get a chance at another NBA contract.
Greg Monroe, C 34 MIN | 5-13 FG | 4-5 FT | 10 REB | 4 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 14 PTS | 0Monroe didn’t shoot well and didn’t defend well, but he was effective on the glass and he did a nice job creating shots for others. The saddest, “I miss Drummond” moment came in the second half when Will Bynum tossed up a short lob in traffic to a cutting Monroe — a play we’ve seen plenty between Bynum and Drummond. The differences between Monroe and Drummond were abundantly clear there as Monroe couldn’t get to a ball Drummond would’ve undoubtedly reached above everyone for and finished.
Jose Calderon, PG 35 MIN | 3-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 7 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 7 PTS | +5Calderon’s seven assists and no turnovers were nice, and he helped on the glass with six rebounds from the point guard spot, but he didn’t shoot well and he didn’t defend well.
Brandon Knight, PG 32 MIN | 9-17 FG | 1-1 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 21 PTS | -1Brandon Knight was aggressive, frequently taking defenders off the dribble. But more importantly, he was purposeful in his movements. He rarely forced his way inside, he took good shots, he finished well and he took care of the ball with only one turnover. Any game where the Pistons backcourt has just one turnover combined is an impressive performance.
Kyle Singler, SG 28 MIN | 3-11 FG | 2-3 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 3 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 9 PTS | -4Singler shot poorly, but in what is becoming a broke record, did enough other things well to justify minutes. He played passing lanes well, picking up three steals, and he did a great job at the end of the third quarter drawing a foul on Vince Carter as Singler was just shooting a desperation heave in the final seconds. It was a boneheaded play by Carter, but Singler also deserves credit for selling it well, considering officials tend to let contact go on shots like that.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 14 MIN | 5-9 FG | 0-1 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 12 PTS | +6Villanueva, along with Khris Middleton, helped the Pistons erase a double-digit deficit in the second half. He also had a great look at a three that would’ve tied the game in the final seconds, but he appeared to rush the release some, so that’ll knock him from an A to an A- tonight.
Jonas Jerebko, PF 14 MIN | 2-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 5 PTS | -11Like Singler, Jerebko shot really poorly, but he wasn’t a total loss on the court because he was active in other areas, particularly rebounding. Jerebko also made an open three, something that will undoubtedly get him on the court more if he can do it consistently.
Khris Middleton, SF 20 MIN | 6-12 FG | 0-1 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 14 PTS | +1Remember earlier today when Dan posted about Middleton’s shot getting rave reviews, but his pro and college percentages never really matching the hype? Well, tonight Middleton had the production to match his mechanics. With Rodney Stuckey playing awful, Middleton took advantage of increased minutes and teamed with Villanueva to shoot the Pistons back into a game that looked over at one point in the second half.
Will Bynum, PG 16 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 4 TO | 4 PTS | -1Bynum had his second straight bad game. As nice as his block on an O.J. Mayo jumper was in the second half, his poor shooting and four turnovers make it impossible for me to give him anything higher.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 13 MIN | 0-1 FG | 1-2 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 1 PTS | -9There’s not much to say about Stuckey’s performance. He wasn’t aggressive, he’s now 0-for-11 shooting over his last three games and he lost his rotation spot, at least for this game, to a second round rookie who has barely played this season.
Brian Hill

Brian Hill is in a tough situation, and it’s hard to evaluate him as a result. But tonight he made a couple of decisions that stood out — first and foremost, he benched Stuckey. Secondly, he drew up a play for the final shot that resulted in a nice open look for Villanueva. For an assistant coach stepping in on the fly, those two things are enough to give him an A for the night, even in a loss.

85 Comments

  • Mar 8, 201311:10 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    I am starting to like Brandon Knight at the shooting guard. He is looking good! Calderon is doing a good job passing the ball to him…but still we need to pass the ball more to him.  Not just from Calderon but also from other players like Bynum and K. Singler.

  • Mar 8, 201311:14 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    Oh and also for some reason Khris Middleton reminds of Kevin Durant. His body and form! 

  • Mar 8, 201311:14 pm
    by Brandon Knight

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    Reminds Me*

  • Mar 8, 201311:19 pm
    by Lorenzo

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    Good gawd, Stuckey has regressed badly this season…whats worse is that it seems like that downward spiral is gaining pace as the season moves in to the final third. His last 8-10 games have been brutal. The guy is galvanizing him self on the chopping block for the summer; for the  betterment of all parties he needs to be moved this summer for some reasonable asset(s).

  • Mar 8, 201311:44 pm
    by Brigs

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    if bk7 keeps this up we might not need a SG in the off season and can focus on finding a sf and some quality bench players while keeping some of our cap space to facilitate a trade at the deadline next year or for anthor free agent after that

  • Mar 8, 201311:45 pm
    by Nick S

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    “He’s worked hard the last two seasons to get himself in shape and get another chance at another NBA contract.”  Really Patrick, where in the hell was he for the first 3 years of this contract.   Max just cares about the money, he was fat and out of shape and now that its contract time, He’s giving the Pistons an effort.   Good riddance to the BUM.
     

    • Mar 9, 201312:07 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yeah really. I don’t ever root against someone trying to maximize their earnings. I hope his next contract isn’t from the Pistons, but Maxiell has certainly done nothing to me to make me think ill of him or hope that no team signs him.

  • Mar 8, 201311:49 pm
    by RalphHau

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    I like Calderon, but he stays on the perimiter too much.  I believe he would serve the team better by driving and dishing.  He is a good shooter and he should try to get his shot a lot more.  Maybe I’m wrong…just saying!

    • Mar 9, 201312:15 am
      by gmehl

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      Yes you are wrong. What Calderon does is called controlling the tempo. He is out on the perimeter because he is a guard. The only thing i don’t like about him is his poor defence. Having said that i don’t think he is a bad a defender as what everyone says. With the right guys on the floor with him (Drummond and a defensive wing) i think he can hold his own in a team defensive structure.

  • Mar 9, 201312:03 am
    by Jacob

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    Top Performers
    Dallas: O. Mayo 22 Pts, 5 Reb, 3 Ast, 1 Stl
    Detroit: B. Knight 21 Pts, 3 Reb, 3 Ast

    Hopefully we don’t overpay a sg this offseason. BK will be just fine there. We need a better PG and SF. Hopefully we can draft one of them and sign another, or trade for another.  

    • Mar 9, 201312:10 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Mayo scores more, shoots better from two and three than Knight, is bigger/more prototypical for the position, turns it over less and even averages more than four assists per game.

      Yeah, Knight’s played better lately, but a handful of games is not enough yet to conclusively say he’s the answer at shooting guard. 

      • Mar 9, 20131:13 am
        by GET WELL SUSAN

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        How many years Mayo been in the league…

        • Mar 9, 20131:15 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          It’s his fifth season. What does that have to do with him being better?

          • Mar 9, 20131:34 am
            by jacob

            I know but if it costs  10 mil to get him would it be worth it?

          • Mar 9, 20131:40 am
            by jacob

            I just don’t want anymore overpaying of players especially under the new cba. I would rather see us sign no one instead of paying an ok player too much. I think Mayo would be ok. Is his defense all that good? I don’t know.

          • Mar 9, 20139:14 am
            by Patrick Hayes

            I don’t know if it would be worth it, to be honest. If Mayo continues to play like he’s played this season, then yes, $10 million per will be worth it. If he doesn’t, it will be another in a long line of bad contracts. Mayo is a gamble for sure, but he’s still young enough to be improving and he’s having his best season at the right time. The thought of signing him long-term is a little terrifying. But my point was simply that he’s better than Knight.

          • Mar 9, 20132:40 pm
            by G

            Plus Mayo does it almost every game, Knight does it once every three or four games.

      • Mar 9, 20138:51 am
        by Mark

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        A handful of games? 

        I’m not sold on Knight longterm either at SG, but if you want a bigger sample size, look at both Mayo and Knights career stats for a more accurate comparison. If anything Mayo is the one that shouldn’t be judged just on 1 good season. Because for their careers, their stats are practically identical, and tonight only further backed up that point, as they played each other H2H about as even as you can.

        Sure most of Knights career stats come from him at PG, but if anything he’s played better as a SG, so we can probably expect his production to go up the longer he stays at SG. And iirc Mayo played PG some off the bench for MEM too. 

        Also Mayo is not that much bigger. He’s 6-4 and Knight is 6-3.25. Mayo is built bigger, but there was no size difference apparent last night.

        Point being, the last thing we need to do is use up all of our capspace signing a player when we essentially have his clone already on our roster The only thing you’d be paying for is his extra years of veteran experience, where HE could probably help us win more NOW, whereas Knight may take a few more years to get to that level. But we shouldn’t in that much of a rush, that we blow all our capspace on him just to win a few games earlier than expected.

        I don’t disagree that we could use an upgrade over Knight, if there is one out there. I just don’t Mayo as any upgrade at all, whatsoever, aside from experience. Threy are the same exact player to me. If we are going to sign another SG that is pf the same caliber as Knight, it better a complete different skillset, like maybe a Tyreke Evans or Tony Allen. 

        Signing Mayo with Knight still here would be akin to signing Gordon when Rip was still here. It just makes no sense to invest in 2 SGs who plays exactly the same way.

        • Mar 9, 20139:17 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “ It just makes no sense to invest in 2 SGs who plays exactly the same way.”

          Mayo has been better than Knight his entire career if you look at shooting % and per-minute numbers. So it does make sense to invest in two SGs if one of them is an upgrade over the other. That wasn’t the case with Hamilton/Gordon. It would be the case here.

          I’m not sure Mayo is the answer, and I certainly don’t like the thought of gambling that this season is not just him going all out in a contract year. But he is young, he is productive and he appears to be improving. He’s exactly the type of player who will command decent money as a free agent, and he’s also the type of player — semi-productive guy who has always been a bit under-appreciated — who Joe Dumars tends to pursue. I don’t love Mayo’s game, but I’m resigned to the fact that he’s going to be high on the Pistons list of guys they go after.

  • Mar 9, 201312:40 am
    by money

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    I like calderon but i do not think he is the long term answer for us. bk7 needs to improve his game over the summer and learn how to control the tempo less turnovers more assists.
    we need to draft a 2 guard and sign a wing. let calderon walk  amnesty cv and use the 
    cap space on a good backup big such as  jj hickson doing all that the pistons will make the playoffs next season

    • Mar 9, 201312:54 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      J.J. Hickson makes Jason Maxiell look like Dikembe Mutombo. Seriously … Hickson is one of the worst defensive bigs in the league.

  • Mar 9, 20131:16 am
    by Mrshourite

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    I noticed it was mentioned that Brian Hill made some good decisions tonight. Did anyone notice the substitution of Max for Moose during the last minute for defensive purposes? Didn’t work out too well but it was a bold decision; also it was pretty cool that he rode it out with Middleton instead of force feeding Stuckey minutes like Coach Frank. I don’t know what the deal is with Stuckey but he hasn’t been productive on the court in quite some time. I fear that his trade stock has plummeted all the way to 2nd round pick containing back a bad contract joined of deal. 
     

  • Mar 9, 20131:20 am
    by Mrshourite

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    Stupid auto correct! The last sentence should read “I fear that his trade value has plummeted all the way down rot a 2nd round pick or us taking back a bad contract to get rid of him. Thankfully he has a partially guaranteed contract that expires next summer, that should add much needed value. 

  • Mar 9, 20131:24 am
    by tommy t

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    Patrick seems a little feisty tonight. I like that.

  • Mar 9, 20131:25 am
    by tarsier

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    The Pistons lost, but of the other bad teams, only Sacramento was able to gain a game on them. Sad day.

    • Mar 9, 20135:51 am
      by gmehl

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      Don’t worry tasier i noticed it too. All is not lost though because in the next couple of weeks Sacramento, Phoenix, Cleveland, New Orleans and Washington all play each other at some point which means some of them could overtake or have the same record as us. To tell you the truth i just want this season over with so we can transition away from Stuckey, CV and Maxiell.

  • Mar 9, 20131:42 am
    by Haan

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    Lordy, lordy, 7 assists with 0 TOs, with 6 bounds earns a Piston PG a C- these days?  When’s the last time that’s happened, if ever?  Bad shooting?  3-8 comes to .375 (one make off from a good shooting night).  Bad D?  Sure (but then he should rarely if ever get an A if that’s given much weight).    

    Are you operating with a single standard of excellent/good/fair/poor for all players or individualized standards based on what would be good (etc.) for a particular player?  Seems like the latter.  That’s fine for a fan forum, but there would be howls of protest should a school follow that approach.  Even in this setting, consistency and fairness probably aren’t bad things.   

    • Mar 9, 20139:23 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “Are you operating with a single standard of excellent/good/fair/poor for all players or individualized standards based on what would be good (etc.) for a particular player?

      If it’s all the same, I would rather just give every player a Dick Minus as a grade every game, but this template tells me I have to  pick a letter grade. So no, I don’t operate with a single system for all players. Calderon was solid tonight, but not as good as he’s been overall as a Piston, so I gave him a lower grade than he typically gets. And it’s not just that he was ‘bad’ defensively — look at who he was guarding — Mike James was a difference maker in this game. That’s a little worse than just being bad defensively.

      “That’s fine for a fan forum, but there would be howls of protest should a school follow that approach.”

      Huh? Well good thing this isn’t a school? I guess?

      “Even in this setting, consistency and fairness probably aren’t bad things. ”

      ‘Grading’ players, particularly on a bad team that loses all the time, is stupid. It’s meant to just be a way to differentiate contributions. Calderon’s contributions in this game were Cish range. He was good with the ball as always, but didn’t make enough shots, get enough assists or play solid enough defense in the game to be anything but an average contributor. 

      • Mar 9, 20131:17 pm
        by Haan

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        I’m sure it becomes trying to grade each player each day.  Presumably, the point of doing so is to inform and entertain.  While grading players against themselves (mainly) tells us something, it also threatens to undermine the goal of being informative.  Is there really sufficient calibration for us readers to know what you mean by a C- to Calderon taken as an individual?  Compounding that obscurity is something I take to be a fact: if Knight as PG, Stuck as PG, or Bynum came up with the very same numbers (7 assists/0 TOs; 6 bounds; .375 shooting on 8 attempts) they wouldn’t be getting C minuses (we could then debate whether D is the really differentiator).  If the record shows otherwise, I’m all ears.  And it’s not just the numbers.  I agree with the Mavs announcers that Calderon was pivotal in the 4th quarter comeback.

        The school analogy concerned consistency and fairness, so it’s telling that you’re so dismissive (not to mention in your legendary ticklish fashion).  Imagine the law suits that would ensue if A students scoring in the 90th percentile on a standardized test were given an average grade because that performance was average for them and D students received the same score because they tested above expectation (but many points below the A students).  I realize it’s difficult to operate with a single standard with NBA players, which is why I added the focus on consistency among our PGs in recent years.  Consistency is needed for communication as well as to uphold fairness; I’m not sure fairness needs any justification other than fairness. 

        All that said, I’ve enjoyed reading the grades. 

        • Mar 9, 20132:01 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “Is there really sufficient calibration for us readers to know what you mean by a C- to Calderon taken as an individual?”

          Well, hopefully the text accompanying the grade explains the logic behind it.

          “if Knight as PG, Stuck as PG, or Bynum came up with the very same numbers (7 assists/0 TOs; 6 bounds; .375 shooting on 8 attempts) they wouldn’t be getting C minuses (we could then debate whether D is the really differentiator).  If the record shows otherwise, I’m all ears.”

          No, you’re absolutely right. I have said on numerous occasions that this is how I choose to use the ‘grade’ graphics. I grade based on what I expect of each player performance-wise. So yeah, if Knight or Bynum had a 7/0 game, they’d probably get better grades than Calderon (although Stuckey usually takes OK care of the ball, so the zero turnovers wouldn’t be a huge shock if he put up that line).

          “The school analogy concerned consistency and fairness”

          I feel like I’ve been pretty consistent in explaining throughout the season that I grade based on individual expectation and have different standards for different players. This isn’t school, and these grades don’t have any bearing on the individuals I’m grading, so I’m able to do that.

          If this were a winning team with defined, consistent roles then it would be easier to grade with a more uniform approach regardless of player/position. It’s not though. It’s a rebuilding team, a team that wins frankly aren’t that important to, a team with players with poorly defined roles, players who don’t have natural positions, players who are on short-term contracts and likely thinking about their next destination, etc. In short, it’s a team that absolutely does not have a uniform set of goals. Is it fair for me to hold Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe to the same standard? Monroe realistically is close to being an all-star. Drummond coming into the season was not even guaranteed a regular rotation spot considering how much development the organization thought he needed. Both have had good seasons, but shouldn’t Drummond shattering the low expectations for him and Monroe being about what he was (or maybe a tad worse) last year impact how I evaluate their contributions? I had an expectation for Monroe’s performance this season, and he’s mostly lived up to it. I had no expectations for Drummond and he’s been better than I or most others imagined he could be at this early stage.

          I’m still failing to see what’s unfair or unclear about this. It just seems like complaining for the sake of complaining.

          • Mar 9, 20133:00 pm
            by Haan

            Fair enough (aside from the parting shot).  There’s still a big issue; warning: I’m shifting the terms of the debate here.  Much of our exchange has turned on a merits of a generalized vs a player specific system.  You make a good point regarding Monroe and AD.  You say you grade “based on individual standards and that [you have] different standards for different players.”  I think the problem becomes that once you move from quasi-objective standards (eg 7/0 is at least a good (i.e. B) performance for an NBA PG unless there are overriding considerations (eg defense)) it becomes really difficult to stick with the individualized approach.  For example, if LeBron hits his customary 27, with 7 assists, and 8 bounds, I doubt that you (or any other reasonable person) would say:  “Average night by his standards: C.”  I think your grading system, in fact, is a combination of evaluating individualized expectations and generalized standards.  That may well be the way to go, but there’s the risk of a mishmash resulting in which it becomes very difficult to interpret what the grades assigned mean.  And it is a departure, however understandable, from the announced individualized criteria.

  • Mar 9, 20133:38 am
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    Maxiell gets an A? He took two .. ah never mind

  • Mar 9, 20133:54 am
    by PistonFanSinceDay1

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    Like I’ve said before, Knight, Monroe, Drummond, and Middleton are the young talented players we should build around. Get the rest of the garbage out of here! I remember someone here thought I was crazy when I included Middleton. I’m not crazy, I’m brilliant

    • Mar 9, 20135:20 am
      by ryan

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      When I’ve seen Khris Middleton I’ve been reasonably impressed. I don’t know what his ceiling is but he seems like a good player overall.

      The fact that Jonas Jerebko seems to be slowly recovering his former game is also encouraging.
      It would’ve been nice to beat Dallas but a higher lottery pick will be much nicer. This team has some good pieces and if Joe Dumars can add a couple more this summer we’ll be better than Milwaukee and Philly and in the playoffs.

    • Mar 9, 20139:11 am
      by Chris N

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      “I’m not crazy, I’m brilliant”

      Yeah, cause that’s what brilliant people say to convince people that they aren’t crazy… 

  • Mar 9, 20138:54 am
    by Mark

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    Brian Hill has been awesome these 2 games, even though they didn’t win. I just really enjoyed watching a Hill coached Pistons team for a change. 

    • Mar 9, 20132:29 pm
      by tarsier

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      how has he been awesome?

  • Mar 9, 20139:13 am
    by Blocks by Dre

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    Knight is averaging 19.8ppg 3.5 assist and 4.5 rebounds since coming back from injury. I agree that OJ is better, and I would like having Knight as fire power off the bench, but if Knight keeps this up he has to be our long term answer a SG initially

    • Mar 9, 20139:17 am
      by Blocks by Dre

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      Oh and he’s hitting 3.0 treys a game and has 14 since he’s been back…at least for now the criticism for Knight can stop!

    • Mar 9, 20139:25 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Sure, I don’t deny that at all. If Knight plays that well through the end of the season, the Pistons truly, truly have something at SG and can re-evaluate their offseason plans accordingly. Like I said above, I’d just like to see it longer than a handful of games before making conclusions on his ability to handle that position as the full-time starter.

      • Mar 9, 20139:55 am
        by Blocks by Dre

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        Yeah I would like to see him finish strong too before making a final judgement. If he plays like this through the end the job should be his to start the next season. As far as his size goes, that shouldn’t be a serious problem because most of the SG’s in this league are converted PG’s such as Ellie, Lou Williams, Shumpert, Bradley (before the Rondo injury) Evans, Billups…he’ll I think at one point OJ was even looked at as a PG. Sure Knight will struggle keeping guys like George, Kobe and Wade off the perimeter but that’s what we got Drummond for. If the get past Knight Drummond is athletic and quick enough to block the guard’s shot, or if they try dropping it to their center, Dre is quick enough to get back and stop their guy. Moose can’t or shouldn’t have to try and defend any guys that blows past Knight because he’s slow footed and most PF’s stretch the floor so that would be bad. Moose is efficient at scoring so he can save his energy for that. I think 3-4 years down the road we can have a very good team with Knight, Monroe, Drummond, hopefully Trey Burke and whatever free agent we sign this offseason

  • Mar 9, 201310:06 am
    by Georgio

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    I think Stuckey feels like he’s being put in a position to fail, in a Vince Ellis article on Detroit News, Stuckey said his game is not standing in the corner waiting to shoot a three and he’s correct. Frank is trying to make him something that he’s not. He’s not a SF or SG, he’s a scoring PG and he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. That’s not a sin, a coaches job is to put players in a position to maximize their talents and Frank is NOT doing that. Stuckey was doing just fine as the backup PG, coming in with Drummond, but after his ankle injury Will was inserted as the PG on the 2nd unit and Stuckey was back to SG running around looking for a jump shot and now he’s backup SF doing the same thing. Give the ball to Stuckey as the backup PG and let Will be a specialist scorer when needed in certain situations and I think you will get the best from both players. 

    • Mar 9, 201310:57 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Having a two guard who can hit the corner three is pretty vital in today’s NBA. I blame Stuckey more for not developing that shot than I blame Frank for expecting his two guard to be able to take and make it. It’s honestly not very smart on Stuckey’s part. He’s been in the league long enough to have a reliable jumper by now.

      • Mar 9, 201312:20 pm
        by Georgio

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        That’s the problem, Stuckey is NOT a 2 guard, he’s a PG, like it or not, he can create problems for the other team only if he has the ball in his hands, not hitting spot up jumpers. A lot of NBA players cannot shoot well but a good coach tries to take advantage of their strengths, not highlight their weaknesses. Stuckey was balling as the backup PG, why not leave him in that role. Will is not any better than Stuckey as a backup PG and Stuckey if bigger and defends better. Let him be the backup PG, a position he desires and is suited for and I think you will see a huge jump in his production, isn’t that the point, production?

        • Mar 9, 201312:23 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “Stuckey is NOT a 2 guard, he’s a PG”

          We have about three seasons worth of evidence that he’s not, in fact, a very good point guard either. 

          • Mar 9, 201312:36 pm
            by Georgio

            But I think we also have some evidence that he can be a very good backup point guard, look up his production from the time he self demoted himself to the 2nd unit until his ankle injury. I think you will see he was quite productive. Look at a team like the Spurs, they get guys like Neal and Green and Bonner and all they ask is that they defend and on offense do what they do best, in their case that’s shoot the three. They don’t try to make them do things outside their skillset. Stuckey would be a load for a backup PG to handle and he has shown promise in that role, why try to make him a SG or a SF? Let him stay in his comfort zone and see how he produces.    

          • Mar 9, 201312:39 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            “But I think we also have some evidence that he can be a very good backup point guard”

            I don’t disagree. My issue is that he’s not paid like a backup PG, he’s paid like a starting guard. 

      • Mar 9, 201310:51 pm
        by ryan

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        That’s a very good point. Rodney Stuckey should’ve developed a decent shot by now. If he had done that he’d very likely still be starting at one of the guard positions.

  • Mar 9, 201310:50 am
    by Corey

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    Stuckey so needs a trade out of here this summer, and the Pistons need him out.  Some combinations of misuse (by the team) and petulance (by him) have destroyed him in Detroit.

    On the subject of signing Mayo or someone: if they cut Stuckey and amnesty CV they are $35+ million below the cap. Would you rather have Stuckey and CV counting $17m toward the cap, or ditch them both and have Mayo, Millsap, or some other genuinely competent NBA player for $12m and 5 mill of cap space to facilitate a trade during the season?  

    • Mar 9, 201310:58 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “Stuckey so needs a trade out of here this summer, and the Pistons need him out.”

      I agree with you, but his problem is the same as many recent Pistons who needed a scenery change — Rip, Gordon, Villanueva, Maxiell until last year, etc. He’s played so poorly that he’s made it difficult to get anything of value in return for him.  

    • Mar 9, 201311:06 am
      by Jacob

      Reply

      We need a STARTING SF.

      • Mar 9, 201312:07 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        The Pistons need more good players, period. They can’t be too picky about positions.

        • Mar 9, 20131:10 pm
          by tarsier

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          Just out of curiosity, assuming the Pistons pick in the 5-10 range, who would you most want at this point who could be reasonably expected to be there? So probably not Noel or McLemore.

          I really like Oladipo but am trying to decide whether his being a junior is a red flag. As in, maybe he doesn’t have as much room for development left as some of his peers. 

          • Mar 9, 20131:49 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            I would be fine with anyone out of the Oladipo, Otto Porter, Trey Burke, Gary Harris group. Love Harris. I think he’ll, at worst, be a 3 and D Afflalo type with the chance to develop into what Eric Gordon looked like when he was healthy. His defense is amazing for a freshman.

  • Mar 9, 201311:09 am
    by GET WELL SUSAN

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    Since the all-star Break… Knight is 19ppg 48% from the field, 48% for 3′s …4rebs, 3ast 1stl… 2.6 to’s

    and if I can Cherry pick just one game (as G and Tarsier likes to say I do)… in the 12 games since the Knicks Game (Calderon first game at PG and Knight first game playing SG with Calderon) Knight is averaging 15.6 ppg shooting 44% from the field….40% for 3′s …. rebs,ast, 1stls , to’s around the same….

    Now In those 12 games … Knight has 5 games with 16 + attempts (Yeah im back to that)

    Knight is averaging 23ppg 50% from the field and 47% for 3′s

    In This SMALL SAMPLE or experiment …… It shows Knight Effectiveness, Efficiency and Improvement at the 2 position….

    SO Based off the small sample that we have Shooting Guard is Not a concern of mines, and theres nothing to make me believe he wont or cant continue to get better….

     

    • Mar 9, 20131:05 pm
      by tarsier

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      I agree with you that his playing PG or SG is not a concern. His role is much more important than his position. I have enjoyed the fact that he is appearing to play better lately. But I will hold off judgment for a bit longer because I felt the same way at the beginning of the season when he put up significantly better numbers than last year for the first 10-15 games I think. But then he regressed. But if he can keep shooting 44% and 40% from deep, he could at least be a starting caliber player with room for even greater development.

      Yes, your obsession with 16+ FGAs is odd. Unless you honestly believe he goes into a game knowing whether he will get at least 16 shots and that is what drives his overall play. But if your explanation is that he plays better when he shoots more, it should hold up when looking at 14, 15, 17, 18, etc FGAs too. Sometimes, an analyst may look at a particular cut off to make a point because it is simpler, but that is only meaningful if it is part of a larger pattern overall.

      Standing alone, your single cutoff (and I call it cherry picked because you chose the one number that best makes your point; if you were just making up a number, it would probably be 10, 15, or 20 because people like multiples of 5) is nothing more than trivia. It would be like if I said that Knight performs exceptionally well when he has exactly 2 fouls and his numbers of two point attempts and three point attempts are within 25% of each other. I have no idea if this is true or not; but, if it is, I would not expect to glean any usable information from it.

  • Mar 9, 201311:41 am
    by bball4224

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    Wow… Maxiel gets an A- when he missed an easy dunk and he shot quite a few horrible mid-range jumpers…?

    • Mar 9, 201312:06 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Monster on the boards, solid defense most of the game. But yeah, you’re totally right. Give him an F for missing a dunk.

      • Mar 9, 20137:07 pm
        by bball4224

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        Quit being a drama queen and twisting my words. If you can’t take criticism what are you even doing?

        A B+ or B is a long way from a F, no need to get defensive about it.
         

        • Mar 9, 20138:07 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Maxiell’s had his best two games in months in the last two. Let him have his damned A-.

  • Mar 9, 201312:08 pm
    by Blocks by Dre

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    If Ellis and Lou can be a starting SG in this league, so can Knight as long as he develops consistency 

    • Mar 9, 201312:11 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yeah, I have zero concern about his size for the position. It’s 100 percent about production and consistency. If he proves he can play consistently well for an extended stretch as this season ends, I won’t have any reservations about him opening next season as the starting SG, unless the Pistons find a significant upgrade available through trade or as a FA.

  • Mar 9, 201312:12 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Knight has been playing well lately…I can’t wait until we get a good SG and SF to take some of the pressure off him next season…
     

    • Mar 9, 201312:22 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Good point guards typically make the players around them look better, not the other way around. How many stiffs looked competent next to Paul in New Orleans? How much better were guys like Bell, Marion, etc. offensively when they played with Nash? Knight has played most of his NBA career with Prince and Stuckey as his SF/SG, plus Ben Gordon off the bench last season. None of those guys are stars, but they are all competent NBA rotation players, and yet Knight still looked lost as a point guard. Your excuse-making for him is laughable.

      • Mar 9, 201312:49 pm
        by Jodi Jezz

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        I don’t see where I made an excuse…It’s pretty laughable that you expected Knight to look superior as a rookie and not look green…Stuckey is a slasher, so a PG is more than likely not going to stack assists from there…I’ll agree with you on Ben Gordon…Put a full-time starter like Mayo, Johnson, or Thompson next to Knight then lets see if we’ll continue to see 3 or 4 assist per game…We’re not going to talk about getting a better SF, I don’t want to disrespect your love for Singler…lol, jk

        • Mar 9, 20131:32 pm
          by tarsier

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          “Stuckey is a slasher, so a PG is more than likely not going to stack assists from there”

           Ok, so let’s only compare Knight’s assists to PGs who have a slasher in the starting lineup of their teams. Hmmmm, let’s see. That limits us to… wait for it… all of them. Alright then. So it’s not Knights fault he only gets 4 apg. He should be getting like 6 apg. And it’s not a normal starting PG’s fault he’s only getting 7 apg. He should be getting like 10 apg.

          And, whaddayaknow, Knight still comes up way short on getting assists.

          I like Knight’s potential, but these excuses for not getting enough assists have got to stop. Every other player in the league has to deal wit the same issues. So, until they add the stat passes-that-could-reasonably-be-expected-to-be-major-factors-in-the-team-scoring-points, let’s just agree that assists are imperfect, and help and hurt some players more than others, but probably not egregiously so. And there’s no evidence that Knight falls particularly on the hurt side of things. The Pistons are 16th in FG% after all. You don’t get much more middle of the pack than that.

    • Mar 9, 201312:48 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Cuz Mario Chalmers just looks amazing with Wade and James on his team. And Lin really blossomed when Melo started playing again. Holiday just fell off a cliff when he lost Iggy. Ditto for Teague when Johnson left Atlanta. Did you see how amazing Batum and Matthews made Felton look?

  • Mar 9, 20131:09 pm
    by Georgio

    Reply

    This is the last year of Stuckey’s contract, you can make adjustments going forward for him being a backup PG and if he can get a better deal then fine but if not then pay like a backup, but the larger issue is just putting players in a position to succeed, not fail and Frank is not doing that.

    • Mar 9, 20131:14 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Next year is the last year of his contract.

  • Mar 9, 20137:41 pm
    by Riz

    Reply

    Brian Hill told me he would have started Drummond all season.  Fire frank

  • Mar 9, 20139:05 pm
    by GET WELL SUSAN

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    If Middelton Plays well over the last 20 games…. We need to press to draft a SF … because Middleton and Singler could fill that role…

    Unless someone slips….

    But then you guys can draft Trey Burke 

  • Mar 9, 201310:54 pm
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    Reply

    Who the hell is Trey Burke?

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