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Greg Monroe blasts effort of teammates after debacle against Clippers

David Mayo of MLive:

“I don’t know, maybe guys don’t care,” he (Monroe) said.  “Something has to change, though.  This can’t continue.  If you don’t want to play, just say it.  This has got to stop.  It’s unacceptable.”

Assistant coach Brian Hill, coaching his third game during what could be an extended assignment as head coach Lawrence Frank attends to his ailing wife in New Jersey, called it an “embarrassment” for players and coaches alike.

Monroe was having none of it.

“This has nothing to do with Coach Hill,” Monroe said.  “I understand his gesture and him trying to, you know, maybe man up.  But this has nothing to do with him.  We prepared the same way we prepare every game.  We had enough information and we knew what they were going to do.  There was no effort from us.  This had nothing to do with coaching.  Brian Hill had nothing to do with this today.”

Good on Greg Monroe, I guess, for being willing to speak up as a young player and assert himself in a leadership role, but my issue with the comments is they could just as easily apply to Monroe as they could to any of his teammates. The knock on Monroe dating back to his Georgetown days has been that he doesn’t play with much outward passion. As we’ve seen in his Pistons career, that is a silly criticism because, for the most part, he’s really productive. But in games like last night, when Monroe plays terribly, combined with his poor or non-expressive body language, it’s hard not to look at him as one of the culprits when the team plays as awful as the Pistons did last night. Monroe didn’t play with energy, he was part of a frontcourt that got abused by the Clippers and it was his awful defense that was responsible for this happening to Brandon Knight.

It’s at least possible that Monroe’s comments were meant to take some of the attention off of Knight, though. Because the dunk by DeAndre Jordan was so ferocious and had all the internets up all night talking, and because there was literally nothing else to talk about in this game, Knight was undoubtedly going to get bombarded about the dunk. If these comments by Monroe were an attempt to draw attention away from the dunk and change the subject, then that is actually much more impressive and better leadership than vaguely calling out other players for lack of effort when your own effort is not that great either.

56 Comments

  • Mar 11, 201310:03 am
    by G

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    Yeah, I hope Monroe was looking in a mirror when he said that.

    • Mar 11, 201310:46 am
      by Huddy

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      Agree, he looked fed up for most of the game, I would prefer he lead by example instead of after game comments like this.  I think Jose probably shows the most poise in these terrible situations.  Even ending the half giving up 70 you can tell his attitude is up beat and he is trying to get everyone going and talking seems like he wants to keep up the effort and lead.

  • Mar 11, 201310:27 am
    by MNM

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    Glad you brought this up.. Because I think this means a lot more if it came from Brandon Knight.

  • Mar 11, 201310:46 am
    by Al

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    This was a very bad loss for a bad team. This makes me wonder if they have offically threw in the towel so to speak. You have to wonder if Monroe would really want to sign back with this team going forward when other competent run organizations have balance and structure to offer him. Would Calderon want to come back to this mess?? Jerebko?? I mean the lottery is obvious and they have cap room to make a difference but how much? Last night butt thrashing will take it’s toll mentally, especially if guys are speaking out now. Wonder how the next games will go..

    • Mar 11, 201311:08 am
      by Reaction

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      I agree.. but Monroe will be a Restricted free agent first whenever we have to resign him so we could resign him no matter what 

    • Mar 11, 201311:11 am
      by Huddy

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      Calderon has been faithful to a bad team in the past (Toronto) and has shown signs like moving his family here that he would stay.  We will have rights to match Monroe’s contract so thats no immediate worry, and Jerebko isn’t hugely important.  I really don’t like seeing embarrassing losses like last night, but fans and players need to be realistic.  This is the end of the season and losses are really benefiting us more than wins(not the embarrassing part but strictly from draft position perspective), we are without our center for the future that will probably be a center piece in next year’s line up, we are playing guys who haven’t gotten substantial minutes all year like Middleton and Jerebko, and the addition of a Lottery pick and whatever FA trades are made can be a huge difference.  This disheartening but really there is a lot of room for a big turn around.

    • Mar 11, 201311:20 am
      by tarsier

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      There are an absolute minimum of two more seasons in which the Pistons can control Monroe (and probably more since he likely won’t sign a one year deal, QO or otherwise, in restricted free agency). That’s plenty of time to start displaying competence.

    • Mar 11, 201311:27 am
      by tarsier

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      And we should keep in mind that everyone on the Pistons knows this is a lost season. They’ll show varying degrees of tenacity in the face of pointless games, but there exist very few people in the world who can apply themselves to the same degree in what they know to be a meaningless endeavor as they can in one that bears significance. So I can cut the entrenched starters a break for the remainder of the year.

      • Mar 11, 20131:07 pm
        by inigo montoya

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        “They’ll show varying degrees of tenacity in the face of pointless games, but there exist very few people in the world who can apply themselves to the same degree in what they know to be a meaningless endeavor as they can in one that bears significance.”

        So true.  I can cut them some slack too.

        But at the same time, these guys are highly paid professionals.  And maybe Monroe’s point is that “Yeah I know we will probably lose, but in the larger setting that does not matter, I think we should give the same effort”  And it embarrassing to lose by 32, I doubt if Monroe would have said anything if the Pistons lost by 12. 

        It is essentially the difference between competition with your peers and competition with yourself.  That you probably can’t compete with your peers in a game does not excuse yourself from making the maximum effort to improve your game.

        I saw most of the game but looking at the box score I was shocked to see the Pistons only had 64 FGAs, they made 30, vs. 80 for the Clippers.  But the Pistons had 42 FTA vs. 25 for the Clippers.

        Maybe Monroe is frustrated because the Pistons can seem to win only one way and that is get most of your points in the paint, don’t turn it over a lot and play a steady safe defense.  

        I am sure most of the teams facing the Pistons have a game plan of

        1)  Don’t allow Monroe to get going in the paint.  put a good defender on him and even collapse on him, the Pistons still won’t want to take the outside shot.

        2) Play an aggressive defense, the Pistons won’t make the adjustments, like back cuts and ball reversal, and make you pay for that.  And the Pistons are more likely to turn it over.

        3) Play an aggressive defense and don’t worry about the free throws, the Pistons will not make you pay by making FTs.

        4)  Concentrate on the two big Pistons on the boards, the Pistons SFs and SGs don’t want to mix it up and rebound.

        5)  Attempt a lot of 3′s.  If you make them it completely demoralizes the Pistons.
         

        • Mar 11, 20131:31 pm
          by G

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          Just looking at the box won’t tell you the whole story. The FT thing, for example – yeah, the Pistons shot a ton, but mostly that was in garbage time (although you could argue mid-way through the 2nd quarter was garbage time). The bench shot 22 of the Pistons’ 42 FT’s. 

          Maybe Monroe is frustrated because the Pistons can seem to win only one way and that is get most of your points in the paint, don’t turn it over a lot and play a steady safe defense.

          If that’s why Monroe is frustrated, he only has himself to blame. He shot 2-8, turned it over 3 times, and absolutely SUCKED on defense.

        • Mar 11, 20134:45 pm
          by tarsier

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          I agree. If every game were like that, it would be unacceptable. But they aren’t. That was a particularly bad games. And every season will have some particularly good and some particularly bad.

  • Mar 11, 201311:19 am
    by piston moribund

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    Hypocrite.  Maybe Bullwinkle is the one who should ‘man up.’ He’s been playing bad ‘D’ all season and saying all those things as a ploy to motivate his teammates rings hollow.  Sometimes its better for people to think that you are not a leader rather than to open your mouth and confirm it.

  • Mar 11, 201311:20 am
    by Al

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    Agreed on that. Also, do we go into next year with Frank at the helm???? If not, who? These guys obviously dont believe in the current system as it has not worked all year. It’s like they have a leash on and it is tight as Frank’s rotation and spare minutes. Also, they did play 2 contender heavyweights Spurs and Clips so understanding to a point but effort wise, that’s another deal to lose like they lost.

    • Mar 11, 201311:47 am
      by G

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      I said on an earlier post that the team giving up on the coach and giving up on the season are not the same thing. It looks a lot like they gave up on the season, so while Frank isn’t a particularly good coach, I think they let him coach out his contract.

  • Mar 11, 201311:52 am
    by visions

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    I agree G, he needs to take a deep look in the mirror… he plays with no passion, energy…, I have never seen a big man get so many shots blocked… he needs to increase his motivation now… if he wants to expand his talents and potential…a capable coach can assist him in manifesting self awareness and the focused effort warranted to take his game to the next level.  His comments only creates a poison mind with self… and the organization.. especially when you are part of the problem evident by a significant visually poor performance…Monroe should talk about his effort and poor performance and what he needs to improve.. then maybe others will follow what they need to do.
    Thus this consciousness is important initially, then it manifest to instinct on the court..Young players need to embody this awareness from the organization and/or coach..if they can’t do it.. I always say… when the student is ready the teachers will appear. This could mean changes within organization, coaches, consultants etc.. wake-up NBA..wake up Pistons.. so much talent, but limited growth in Talent. Monroe just gave us a clear picture of this.

  • Mar 11, 201312:26 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    We haven’t been the same since Prince left…

    • Mar 11, 20131:09 pm
      by G

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      Do you think it’s that Prince was traded or that Drummond has been out nearly the same amount of time? 

      • Mar 11, 20131:49 pm
        by Jodi Jezz

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        I’ll say both…

        • Mar 11, 20136:59 pm
          by tarsier

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          The Pistons started out 5-6 without Prince (4-4 with Calderon). I would guess that it’s more of a morale thing where they realized that they have absolutely no chance at the playoffs anymore and people stopped caring so much.

          But regardless of cause, hopefully we can agree it’s a good thing. This recent 1-8 stretch has put Detroit in prime position to get a good draft pick. 

    • Mar 11, 20131:13 pm
      by vic

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      Its definitely Drummond

  • Mar 11, 20131:11 pm
    by vic

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    The whole dunk was Monroe’s fault because he was supposedly defending Jordan. But I’d also lay the blame on coaching because too much help defense instead of sticking to your man causes huge open shots constantly.

    These help defenses that are so popular in the NBA work because of the players, not because of the system. Joakim Noah, Kevin Garnett, Tyson Chandler >>>> Greg Monroe

    Greg: Call yourself out, Stick with your man. 

  • Mar 11, 20132:03 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    I totally blame Monroe & I think he’s grossly overrated.  He can’t even guard his own man, let alone help protect the rim but he’s suppose to be a future all star PF/C?  I don’t see it.  He turns the ball over just as much as Brandon Knight & gets torched on defense. He hung Knight out to dry with that dunk by Jordan. I would seriously test the waters & send what I could get for him.  We don’t have any other assets anyway.

    • Mar 11, 20132:15 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “I think he’s grossly overrated”

      Totally. Because double-double big men who are young and durable and shoot a high percentage grow on trees.

    • Mar 11, 20132:17 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “He turns the ball over just as much as Brandon Knight”

      Monroe career TOs per 36 minutes – 2.4
      Knight TOs per 36 minutes – 3.0

      Monroe career turnover percentage – 14.7
      Knight – 17.0

      So no, he doesn’t turn it over as often as Knight. 

      • Mar 11, 20132:24 pm
        by G

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        Fair to say – but Monroe’s post-game comments should’ve included something along the lines of a “sorry for throwing you under the DeAndre Jordan-shaped bus, Brandon”

  • Mar 11, 20132:22 pm
    by MIKEYDE248

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    I think if a statement like this was to be made by someone, it had to come from Monroe.  He has been the best player on the team the last 2 seasons and on some nights the only good player on our team.  He is gettting all the blame for not guarding Jordan, but when the whole team has given, it kind of put Monroe on an island guarding more than just his own man.

    If someone has earned the right to complain, I think it’s Monroe.

    • Mar 11, 20132:31 pm
      by G

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      …WHAT?

      Look, I get it. Most games Monroe is the only decent player in a Pistons uniform. That was NOT the case last night. Again, his stat line ran 2-8 from the floor and 5 rebounds.

      The blame for not guarding Jordan falls squarely on Monroe’s shoulders and no one else’s. He wasn’t guarding anyone on that play, he was ball watching (something he does FREQUENTLY). MONROE is the player whose defensive lapses put the Pistons’ better defenders on an island. This time it was Knight.

  • Mar 11, 20132:29 pm
    by Mel

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    I hate to say it but I agree with you Mr Woods, Monroe has talent but he seems to have limits to his game that  looks like he will never be able to correct. Like his on court awareness he gets stripped almost every game. The only time he doesn’t get a turnover is when he’s totally focused and plays with purpose and that’s usually after he’s gotten schooled on by the others teams center. He puts up fight when he wants too but he also plays like a dead Moose at times. I wonder if he got over confident after his first too years knowing he would become the leader of the team. 

  • Mar 11, 20132:46 pm
    by Mel

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    Monroe and Knight are different players Knight plays with the ball in his hand most of the time plus he’s playing two positions that requires using the ball more than the other players. Monroe doesn’t have to dribble all the time, he usually gets stripped the same way all the time trying to make a impossible pass or when he’s going down for the dribble and the other teams players steal the ball away from him. Oh yeah and when he gets the ball going up sometimes and gets the ball snatched right out of his hands. Granted Monroe has a ton of talent and he may get better but some of the things that limits his game are who he is as a player. He did in College as well. I hope I’m wrong. Knight on the other hand is a product of the system he’s playing in and having to learn the nuances of two positions. Both guys are still kids in the game hopefully in two years we’ll see major growth in these two. On a side note I heard the commentators talking about Durrant and Westbrook competing with one another during practice and shooting a 1000 shots a day. The last time I heard of players taking 1000 shots a day was Bird, Magic, Jordan, Kobe, my point is you know when a player is taking a 1000 shots a day. My question is who on the Pistons are taking 1000 shots a day.
    I say none. Maybe Calderon cause it shows in games. 

    • Mar 11, 20132:57 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “Monroe doesn’t have to dribble all the time, he usually gets stripped the same way all the time trying to make a impossible pass or when he’s going down for the dribble and the other teams players steal the ball away from him.”

      Monroe also faces more defensive pressure because, until the Pistons got Calderon, they had no player on the court this season who opponents would fear from the perimeter. Have you not noticed how quickly extra defenders collapse on him because teams want the Pistons to take jumpers rather than let Monroe operate inside?

      “Oh yeah and when he gets the ball going up sometimes and gets the ball snatched right out of his hands.”

      Good for him. He also shoots better than 50 percent for his career and turns it over less than Knight percentage-wise, even this season with Monroe’s turnovers up and Knight’s down.

      “Granted Monroe has a ton of talent and he may get better but some of the things that limits his game are who he is as a player. He did in College as well. I hope I’m wrong. Knight on the other hand is a product of the system he’s playing in and having to learn the nuances of two positions” 

      So? He’s still far, far more productive than Knight has ever been. I will take actual production over upside any day, even if Monroe does have limits to his game.

      “Both guys are still kids in the game hopefully in two years we’ll see major growth in these two.”

      Monroe is already near all-star level production among his peer big men in the league, even with his porous defense. At the very least, he’s a legitimate, starting caliber big man on virtually any team in this league. Knight is a below average starter at either position you want to stick him at. So yeah, I hope they both continue to grow. But you lumping them into the same category is foolish. Monroe is an established and reliable NBA contributor. Knight is not yet. 

      • Mar 11, 20133:35 pm
        by Kamal

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        Well said, Patrick.  It’s like most of these guys don’t understand basketball.  If the Pistons could shoot from the outside consistently, then Monroe would see more single coverage and win most of his matchups on anightly basis.  The Clippers collapsed on and put more than one body on him when the shots went up. 

        Now, I’ll be the first to admit that Monroe’s help defense was God awful last night.  But what does he do?  Leave his man, allowing Jordan or Griffin to catch a lob, or stay home and let Butler and Paul drive to bucket?  Either way, the Clippers were going to score.

        • Mar 13, 201311:46 pm
          by tahjay

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          Monroe is very clumsy and has no outside shout at all and a horrible defender. he is not a good compliment to drummond at all .TRAD GREG MONROE NOW

      • Mar 11, 20133:59 pm
        by MIKEYDE248

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        Exactly, production and potential can not be compared.  When drafting a player, potential is one of the main thing people look at, but with a player that’s been in the league for a few years, potential can only get you so far.

        When signing a new contract, Monroe is looking at a Max deal or close to it and a small tweak away from being an all-star.  If Knight keeps playing like he is now, he will be looking at being a backup player on most teams.

        • Mar 11, 20134:49 pm
          by tarsier

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          Yeah, but Knight gets 1.5-2 more years before we stop really caring about potential. Hopefully he can get productive in that time.

      • Mar 11, 20133:59 pm
        by Huddy

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        As far as TO’s go it is important to note that Monroe is a top passing big man in the game so his TO’s are higher (less than 1 per game more than most starting big men) he also has higher assist numbers than most helping his Asst/TO ratio.  Not having outside shooters isn’t the only thing that increases the defensive pressure on him either, not having a sizeable big man in to play next to is an issue.  Maxiell is 6’7″ with a very limited offensive game so where is his man going when Monroe gets the ball in the post?  To double team, which is where many of those poke aways come from. 

        • Mar 11, 20135:01 pm
          by tarsier

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          His TOs this season have been disappointing. But after two years of doing so very well in that department, I’m willing to wait to see whether that trend continues next year.

  • Mar 11, 20133:34 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    @Patrick: all I’m saying is that, if Brandon Knight can be criticized, Monroe can be too.  His game is far from perfect & he don’t/can’t defend the paint.  If he’s that slow now @ 23, I wonder how he’s gonna be @ 28-30?  I’m never excusing Knight for his turnovers but that whole team is flawed, including Moose!  Also, his numbers should be questioned if he’s the leader & we’re getting our a@#’es handed to us every night. I don’t see what’s so great about Monroe. He looks like a roll player to me.  S/O to Bk7 for having the stones to try to challenge that dunk. 

    • Mar 11, 20133:45 pm
      by Kamal

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      Role players usually don’t get game-planned for.  Monroe is that guy you wanna stop if you wanna beat the Pistons.  Sure, he’s flawed.  But all players are.  Like D’Antoni said, (and i’m paraphrasing) “if Drummond is on the court that means Greg Monroe isn’t.  And that’s good for our team.”

      Monroe needs better teammates.  Plain and simple.  He goes to war with a 6’7 power forward with limited offensive game every night.  Before Calderon, his point guards couldn’t make a decent entry pass to save their lives.  His shooting guard couldn’t scare defenders into not doubling down because of a nonexistent shot.  His small forward has/had tunnel vision and seemed to not be able to find him in pick and roll situations sliding to the basket.

      Sure, I wish Monroe was a better athlete.  I wish he was stronger in the paint.  I wish he was a better free throw shooter.  I wish he took the 15 footer more.  But without all of that, he is still the guy teams focus on stopping every game against the Pistons.  Sometimes they succeed.  Sometimes they fail.  But that’s they primary goal.  Hardly worthy of a role player.

    • Mar 11, 20133:47 pm
      by G

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      Dude, I think you’re getting worked up over that one play & letting that cloud your judgement a little. Monroe hung Knight out to dry because he sucks defensively. He also had a bad game, so he picked a poor time to flap his jaws that way. He’s still a much better player than Knight is right now. 

  • Mar 11, 20133:45 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    @ Kamal: I understand Piston Bball quite well.  All the bigs we have had,all ccouldplay some sort of defense.  Hell Lambeer couldn’t jump over a sheet of paper but he defended his man. My gripe with Monroe, he looks like he lacks passion.  The Pistons has always played tough defense, even in the teal era with Don Read @ center.  Now, its a lay up line to the rim.  Drummond shouldn’t be our only defensive presence.

     

    • Mar 11, 20133:50 pm
      by G

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      At the same time, very few Pistons bigs in the past have had the variety of offensive skills Monroe has. We’ll feel differently about him when he’s playing with Drummond, and hopefully a defensive stopper on the perimeter.

  • Mar 11, 20133:49 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    Dude, that entire roster lacks talent.  That’s not saying much that other teams focus on stopping him.  It ain’t like we got 2/3 all stars on the team & the opposition is focussing on Monroe.

    • Mar 11, 20133:52 pm
      by G

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      Man, you’re dismissing a MAJOR flaw in your argument rather lightly. 

  • Mar 11, 20133:53 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    Hopefully they can improve that roster over the summer & I hope Kamal is right cause if not, Joe made need to be let go & I’m rooting for him to improve that team.  I’m not so quick to give up on Knight neither.

  • Mar 11, 20133:58 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    @ G: what flaw is that Jerry West?  & no, I’m not getting worked up about Monroe.  You act as if that’s the 1st time his lack of defense has been exposed. Maybe we need some better coaching. Like you said in yoyr initial post, he better look in the mirror 1st cause he has 2 left feet on defense. 

    • Mar 11, 20134:12 pm
      by G

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      The flaw in your argument is that defenses plan against him. That means it’s harder for him to get his 16 & 9 a night than it would be if there were another borderline all star on the roster. He’s it. He’s not Olajuwon on offense and CERTAINLY not on defense, but it’s up to him to carry the team, and you should factor that in when comparing him to Knight.

      I said he’s bad on D, this is nothing new. He had a bad night last night & should’ve kept his mouth shut. But stop acting like he’s a scrub. 

  • Mar 11, 20134:09 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    @ Huddy: you’re right.  Hopefully his comment is a start to something good for The Pistons.

  • Mar 11, 20134:15 pm
    by Mel

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    No one said Monroe couldn’t play Patrick, Monroe is a good player, but without the limitations he would have been an all star by now regardless of where the team is. He still has a chance to get better but now the league knows how to defend him now. Now he’s getting double teamed, well he better get into the weight room and man up or work on the being a jump shooter something he said he wasn’t otherwise he won’t be seeing All Star anytime soon. As for Knight the reason he makes mistakes is he trying to play hard and bring energy to the team plus learn the mental aspects of the game it takes time. Everyone knew that Knight would be a work in progress after his first year. With Monroe he was suppose to be an all star this year with all the hype he’s been getting. All I have to say is Monroe is not the franchise anymore Drummond will take that title. And no one lumped them in the same categories that was foolish for you to think I was doing that. And as far as knowing about basketball I’ve played and watched more basketball than you are born so don’t make assumptions. That’s it for me today I better things to do now. 

  • Mar 11, 20135:09 pm
    by G

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    We need to find some middle ground. Monroe is a pretty skilled offensive big man with a few limitations surrounding his athleticism, and he’s nearly clueless on D. He’s the best player the Pistons have, and he’d be the best big on 7 or 8 other teams in the East alone.

    Defensively, he’s at sea. He watches the ball & loses his man ALL THE TIME. He’s slow footed and often switches late. His PnR defense leaves much to be desired. He does a decent job of getting position though, as long as the guy he’s defending isn’t an astounding athlete. And he’s a really good rebounder.

    Hibbert really got overpaid with that max extension, but if that’s the going price. With Monroe you either pay it or someone else will & you lose your best player.

     

  • Mar 11, 20135:23 pm
    by Mr Woods

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    @ G: I see your point.  I wasn’t saying the yung dude can’t play, cause we all know he can score. you hit the nail on the head, he watch the ball & lose his man, which breaks down the defense & can lead to an easy basket.  This is his 3rd season, so hold him accountable. & I agree with the other comment, Drummond is our franchise player, not Monroe.  I blame Frank too cause his rotations is god awful, but I am rooting for his wife to have a speedy recovery. The right draft pick & trade, The Pistons will be okay but this is a crucial off season.

    • Mar 11, 20137:01 pm
      by Kamal

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      I really don’t see how Drummond is the franchise player when his entire offensive game consists of dunks. He’s a terrific weak side shot blocker and freakish athlete. But aside from that, what else is there? Sure he can become Dwight Howard but he can also become Javele McGee. I keep comparing Drummond to McGee because their skill sets are similar IMO.

      I think your franchise player should be your leading scorer or assist man. Drummond will be neither. When we lost Ben Wallace, the defense suffered but we won more regular season games and finished in the exact same spot  in the playoffs – game 6 of the ECF. When we lost Chauncey, we failed to win 40 games and have yet to accomplish it to date. Chauncey was our franchise player despite what many belie fed back then. And Monroe is our franchise player now.

      • Mar 12, 20138:24 am
        by G

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        Ben Wallace was the team’s identity. Maybe that’s not the same thing as a franchise player, but Chauncey & Ben were equally important to the team’s success. Chauncey carried the offense, Ben carried the defense.

      • Mar 12, 201312:25 pm
        by Huddy

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        Dwight Howard and Javale Mcgee share the same skill set as well it is just that Dwight has become what we hope Drummond will and Mcgee plateaued.  “Sure he can become Dwight Howard” thats a big sure.  That is the hope and if he does that he can certainly be a franchise player.  Dwight isn’t scoring from anywhere outside the paint, Andre is 19 and has time to develop a hook like Howard has and improve his FT shooting.  Just about everything written about Drummond says that he is exactly the rare talent at the center position every GM wants and it would be hard for anyone to pass up on drafting him given how he has played.  That is at least the start of what a franchise player is.  Lots of teams have players that lead in scoring and they give them a max contract and the team goes no where.  Monta Ellis could lead our team in scoring, but would you want him instead of Drummond? is he a centerpiece to build around as an undersized SG that can lead us in scoring? no.  Drummond has potential to dominate on D, on the boards, and with work on offense.  He may not be getting assists but all of those qualities open up the floor for our other players as well, thats a solid center piece.
         

  • Mar 13, 20138:15 pm
    by Fennis

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    Look, who gives a ish about his body language or “energy”? I agree with your general sentiment, but the point is simply that at 6 11, Monroe won’t jump into the fray and defend lobs the way B Knight will. Championship big men are tough (borderline nasty) in the paint on offense and defense. Monroe can complain all he wants, but the guy wouldn’t squash a grape in a fruit fight. And that, my friends, is a long-term Piston problem so long as Moose is on the team. 

  • Mar 13, 20138:17 pm
    by Fennis

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    The real story in the post-game comments was Brandon Knight saying that if he was 6 10, none of that lob ish would be happening on his watch. In other words, Jordan and Griffin would be having a dunk-a-thon if our bigs had the same heart as our starting shooting guard. I wholeheartedly agree!

  • Aug 24, 20131:49 am
    by Susanne

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    So we’re still here in San Francisco? And Fox News issued the following non-committal statement to ABC News:” This is a chemical of life. She showed up with Minnesota Viking starting quarterback Christian Ponder as part of their daily lives. It’s good to see, which was dissolved by the country’s generals when they were young, and they will see you as an adjunct professor.

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