Comments on: Don’t expect an extension for Greg Monroe this summer http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Tue, 21 May 2013 19:40:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: D_S_V http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124282 D_S_V Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:13:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124282 I won't fully, but I'll partially co-sign your statement. Monroe is quite obviously the currently most productive player we have - but in a way that's akin to the "the smartest student in a ___ ed class". I can't see how a tried and true Pistons fan wouldn't overvalue Monroe considering the last 5 years of the team. When you're working from a position the Pistons are in - you can't just lure in high profile FA's with your cap space despite being a currently awfully constructed team - you have to make shrewd decisions. I feel like Monroe could be one of those shrewd decisions - a guy who has obvious value and will certainly make it in the NBA, but also one who could drown you financially if you overcommit to him in the wrong circumstance. Is the current state of the Pistons the wrong circumstance? Hard to tell having not seen him and the for sure best up side Piston play together too much... I'd be hesitant, and look very closely at the two together over the next season. If they can surround them with "3 and D" wings and a smart PG, maybe there's potential. But wasting a second max contract on Monroe (taking for granted that Drummond will develop along his current arch and be fully worth the 5 year max) and disallowing you to add a big time playmaking guard/wing and finding that they do not click as most hope? Welcome to the sub-contender version of mediocrity. I will say that as long as Monroe doesn't significantly regress, he'd still be tradeable in a max-sorta deal, but it seems that you usually don't get your full value when trading the max contract for pieces - another reason I'd be wary of just handing over the contract.  I won’t fully, but I’ll partially co-sign your statement. Monroe is quite obviously the currently most productive player we have – but in a way that’s akin to the “the smartest student in a ___ ed class”. I can’t see how a tried and true Pistons fan wouldn’t overvalue Monroe considering the last 5 years of the team. When you’re working from a position the Pistons are in – you can’t just lure in high profile FA’s with your cap space despite being a currently awfully constructed team – you have to make shrewd decisions. I feel like Monroe could be one of those shrewd decisions – a guy who has obvious value and will certainly make it in the NBA, but also one who could drown you financially if you overcommit to him in the wrong circumstance. Is the current state of the Pistons the wrong circumstance? Hard to tell having not seen him and the for sure best up side Piston play together too much… I’d be hesitant, and look very closely at the two together over the next season. If they can surround them with “3 and D” wings and a smart PG, maybe there’s potential. But wasting a second max contract on Monroe (taking for granted that Drummond will develop along his current arch and be fully worth the 5 year max) and disallowing you to add a big time playmaking guard/wing and finding that they do not click as most hope? Welcome to the sub-contender version of mediocrity. I will say that as long as Monroe doesn’t significantly regress, he’d still be tradeable in a max-sorta deal, but it seems that you usually don’t get your full value when trading the max contract for pieces – another reason I’d be wary of just handing over the contract. 

]]> By: D_S_V http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124279 D_S_V Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:00:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124279 Also, what has not been mentioned (as far as I can tell), Monroe could become someone the Pistons "hide" on defense when there's matchup problems - a la Carmelo and LeBron. I must qualify my comment, I'm not fully booked on the Monroe-Drummond pairing as some are, and I definitely think putting your chips in the Drummond basket is the right way to go. So if I had to choose, I'll take Drummond with a savvy Monroe trade every day. I don't think we have enough of a sample size to judge the fit of the two just yet, but as far as the defensive liability of Monroe - I think they can put him on the weakest offensive player of the opposing team, or at least easiest to defend, if they have Drummond inside to protect the paint. Read Zach Lowe on Grantland and he'll tell you all about hiding the talented offensive but not so apt defensive players in strategic ways.  Also, what has not been mentioned (as far as I can tell), Monroe could become someone the Pistons “hide” on defense when there’s matchup problems – a la Carmelo and LeBron. I must qualify my comment, I’m not fully booked on the Monroe-Drummond pairing as some are, and I definitely think putting your chips in the Drummond basket is the right way to go. So if I had to choose, I’ll take Drummond with a savvy Monroe trade every day. I don’t think we have enough of a sample size to judge the fit of the two just yet, but as far as the defensive liability of Monroe – I think they can put him on the weakest offensive player of the opposing team, or at least easiest to defend, if they have Drummond inside to protect the paint. Read Zach Lowe on Grantland and he’ll tell you all about hiding the talented offensive but not so apt defensive players in strategic ways. 

]]> By: Pimp Zombie http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124239 Pimp Zombie Sun, 03 Mar 2013 04:30:32 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124239 Shiiiiitt, Melo is as good a 4 than he is a 3. I even prefer him there. He turns into no less than Dirk Nowitski when u put him at the 4, matchup problem-wise. Shiiiiitt, Melo is as good a 4 than he is a 3. I even prefer him there. He turns into no less than Dirk Nowitski when u put him at the 4, matchup problem-wise.

]]> By: Pimp Zombie http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124238 Pimp Zombie Sun, 03 Mar 2013 04:25:38 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124238 Im often a monority when I say this, but I look at Monroe and feel like he's a slightly better 15 footer away from peaking. I don't see a career 20-10 guy but instead a guy that can excell as a "Horace Grant" type on a contender....and thats not a knock....a best big man/3rd best player type. Put Monroe at PF and teams will eat us alive with the pick and roll, drummond or no drummond, esp if calderon is the starter next year. Alas, the Pistons have no choice but to max him. I saw that Hibbert deal a year ago and shook my head. I'd sign/trade him while his stock is high for a guaranteed 20 pt shot creating wing player and a rotation big right now (a Carl Landry type). Drummond is the only exceptional player on this team at the moment. If Monroe was as good as his nubers sometimes indicate the team would NOT be out of the playoffs....I call it the "Shareef Abu-Rahim illusion"     Im often a monority when I say this, but I look at Monroe and feel like he’s a slightly better 15 footer away from peaking. I don’t see a career 20-10 guy but instead a guy that can excell as a “Horace Grant” type on a contender….and thats not a knock….a best big man/3rd best player type. Put Monroe at PF and teams will eat us alive with the pick and roll, drummond or no drummond, esp if calderon is the starter next year.

Alas, the Pistons have no choice but to max him. I saw that Hibbert deal a year ago and shook my head. I’d sign/trade him while his stock is high for a guaranteed 20 pt shot creating wing player and a rotation big right now (a Carl Landry type).

Drummond is the only exceptional player on this team at the moment. If Monroe was as good as his nubers sometimes indicate the team would NOT be out of the playoffs….I call it the “Shareef Abu-Rahim illusion”    

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124177 tarsier Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:13:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124177 Not really. He will be an RFA. So Detroit can match a deal he signs with anyone. Not really. He will be an RFA. So Detroit can match a deal he signs with anyone.

]]> By: DG http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124119 DG Sat, 02 Mar 2013 10:06:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124119 The question isn't whether or not Monroe will get a max contract from Detroit or not.  The question is whether he will sign it.  If Detroit doesn't start winning more games he may decide to move on.  It will be his decision, not Joe's. The question isn’t whether or not Monroe will get a max contract from Detroit or not.  The question is whether he will sign it.  If Detroit doesn’t start winning more games he may decide to move on.  It will be his decision, not Joe’s.

]]> By: Icebergcool http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124106 Icebergcool Sat, 02 Mar 2013 08:58:44 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124106 By: Big Rick http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124072 Big Rick Sat, 02 Mar 2013 05:37:46 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124072 But why? But why haven't we seen our 2 best players on the court together for long stretches of time? Why not let them develop together? Why keep playing Monroe at the 5 if he is gonna play the 4 with Drummond? I don't agree with Patrick's analysis on Greg 100%, but I do agree that he will get paid nicely. Whether or not he deserves it, is yet to be seen and is a matter of opinion. The new CBA may play a factor. We'll see. Sounds like a little bit of posturing from his agent though.  Remember we have a new owner that's all about "value". LOL Someone will pay him. There has got to be a reason as to why we haven't seen our prized rookie and our "best player" on the court together for most of the season. Most chalk it up to Lawrence Frank's buffoonery, but I have a gut feeling that there is more than meets the eye with keeping Greg at center playing along side Max. I think that it may have a lot to do with Greg's defensive limitations. He struggles offensively going against bigger more athletic centers and he struggles defensively trying to guard smaller quicker bigs that can space the floor or anyone for that matter. Basically he is one dimensional but it is kind of disguised because of his rebounding prowess. If we were really playing for our future what's to keep them from playing Greg at the 4 next to Slava for stretches?Why have all these questions heading into next season. its easy for us to speculate and the organization to tell us that Drummond probably would be starting if he was healthy, but why wait til now to suggest that since you dont have to implement it due to him being hurt? Why? Why drag out the rebuilding process by not seeing what you have NOW? WHY?  But why? But why haven’t we seen our 2 best players on the court together for long stretches of time? Why not let them develop together? Why keep playing Monroe at the 5 if he is gonna play the 4 with Drummond? I don’t agree with Patrick’s analysis on Greg 100%, but I do agree that he will get paid nicely. Whether or not he deserves it, is yet to be seen and is a matter of opinion. The new CBA may play a factor. We’ll see. Sounds like a little bit of posturing from his agent though. 

Remember we have a new owner that’s all about “value”. LOL Someone will pay him. There has got to be a reason as to why we haven’t seen our prized rookie and our “best player” on the court together for most of the season. Most chalk it up to Lawrence Frank’s buffoonery, but I have a gut feeling that there is more than meets the eye with keeping Greg at center playing along side Max. I think that it may have a lot to do with Greg’s defensive limitations. He struggles offensively going against bigger more athletic centers and he struggles defensively trying to guard smaller quicker bigs that can space the floor or anyone for that matter. Basically he is one dimensional but it is kind of disguised because of his rebounding prowess. If we were really playing for our future what’s to keep them from playing Greg at the 4 next to Slava for stretches?Why have all these questions heading into next season. its easy for us to speculate and the organization to tell us that Drummond probably would be starting if he was healthy, but why wait til now to suggest that since you dont have to implement it due to him being hurt? Why? Why drag out the rebuilding process by not seeing what you have NOW? WHY? 

]]> By: Worm http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124026 Worm Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:11:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124026 This pretty much says it all. You can't let a 24 year-old borderline all-star leave your team for nothing. If the Pistons decide that it would be in their best interests to find another 4 to play next to Drummond, the only logical move would be a sign-and-trade. And people worrying about stretch 4's don't know what they are talking about for the most part. This pretty much says it all. You can’t let a 24 year-old borderline all-star leave your team for nothing. If the Pistons decide that it would be in their best interests to find another 4 to play next to Drummond, the only logical move would be a sign-and-trade. And people worrying about stretch 4′s don’t know what they are talking about for the most part.

]]> By: oats http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/dont-expect-an-extension-for-greg-monroe-this-summer/comment-page-1/#comment-124016 oats Fri, 01 Mar 2013 23:57:10 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13083#comment-124016 I want to save that 5 year deal for Drummond, and I expect we'll have to max it. I want to save that 5 year deal for Drummond, and I expect we’ll have to max it.

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