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Detroit Pistons haven’t won home game in last 42 days

The Pistons beat the Wizards, 96-85, Feb. 13. Greg Monroe had 16 points and 18 rebounds. Jose Calderon scored 24 points, and Will Bynum added 20 points. Lawrence Frank even got an A- grade for the game.

It’s been 42 days since that win, Detroit’s last home victory.

The Pistons have four chances to break the skid before the season ends – Raptors on Friday, Bulls on April 7, Bobcats on April 12, 76ers on April 15 – but the damage has already been done.

This stat isn’t significant in a basketball sense, because it’s a little fluky. Eleven of the Pistons’ 18 games since the Washington win have come on the road, so they haven’t had as many chances to win at home.

But it is significant in terms of fan morale, especially the fans who buy tickets and attend games. That is a long and depressing time to go without seeing their team win.

Going 42 days without a home victory is the NBA’s longest such streak this season – get ready for this blog’s most-used words this season – other than the Bobcats. Even if the Pistons lose their remaining home games, they still won’t catch Charlotte, which went 66 days between home wins during November, December and January.

47 Comments

  • Mar 27, 201310:34 am
    by J Bird

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    That last paragraph confuses me.  ”Going 42 days without a home victory is the NBA’s longest such streak this season…Even if the Pistons lose their remaining home games, they still won’t catch Charlotte, which went 66 days between home wins during November, December and January.”

    So it is NOT the longest such streak in the NBA this season?  And why are the Bobcats mentioned at all? 

    • Mar 27, 201311:27 am
      by Tom Y.

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      Hopefully it will become much clearer if you read the entire sentence. 

      • Mar 27, 20138:24 pm
        by J Bird

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        My god I was thinking Charlotte Hornets.  Bad job, me. I just miss Larry Johnson and Muggsy that much.

    • Mar 27, 201311:38 am
      by tarsier

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      Well yeah, if you cut out the “other than the Bobcats” bit, it does change the meaning somewhat.

  • Mar 27, 201310:44 am
    by Russell

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    Move.  Down.  Town.

    • Mar 27, 201311:39 am
      by tarsier

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      to what end?

    • Mar 27, 201312:04 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

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      I still don’t understand why people still think that the Pistons need to move down town.  Everyone is moving out of the city, the population has dropped to half of what it was at it’s peak and all the other things that “piston moribund” mentioned.  The team sold out almost every game when they had a winning team, so the location must not be a problem.

      • Mar 27, 201311:49 pm
        by Russell

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        I meant downtown Macomb.

         

  • Mar 27, 201310:52 am
    by piston moribund

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    Really Russell,
    Who is going to pay for it?  The city is going bankrupt and cant collect taxes and you want to move the stadium from an affluent and safe part of the state to where the police will be patrolling outside handing out fliers to the crowd warning them to not wander too far least they be shot, stabbed or killed at their own risk?  Who is going to risk their life to go and watch a crap team while fearing for their lives.
    Adding danger as a marketing element is a genius idea.

    • Mar 27, 201310:59 am
      by pg

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      Plus Gores recently did a multi-million renovation at the palace. 

  • Mar 27, 201311:34 am
    by Tom Y.

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    Dan/Patrick – I would love to see a post on this site analysing what went wrong this year. I mean, I love lottery balls combinations but this is pretty much the same team that finished last season playing .500 basketball. Over the summer they kept talking about building on that with a full training camp with Frank, plus they got an unexpected (though limited) contribution from Drummond, and they end up competing with the Bobcats over which is the worst team ending the season?

    I put some of the blame on Stuckey’s meltdown and Greg’s slight regression, but I wonder if that’s all. 

    • Mar 27, 201311:48 am
      by tarsier

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      nobody really improved

      and just like there was a stretch of .500 ball and some stretches of worse play last year, this year there were stretches of .500 ball and stretches of worse play.

      through 66 games last year, the pistons were 25-41. through 66 this year, 23-43. that’s not horribly different.

      this is basically the same bad team as last year. and drummond didn’t get enough court time to make much of an impact. 

    • Mar 27, 20131:09 pm
      by G

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      I think the big move was the Tayshaun for Calderon trade. Calderon is a better player at this point, but the move made the team worse. Before the trade the Pistons were a few games behind the #8 seed in the playoffs. Since then they’ve been one of the worst teams in the league. The SF position got REALLY thin, a poor defensive team got worse defensively, and Knight & Drummond being out certainly didn’t help.

      I think another cause has been Rodney Stuckey’s play. Last year it looked like his offense was improving (increasing his 3PT% to almost average & getting to the line at a career-high rate). This year he’s been a disaster, with career-low numbers in almost every aspect of the offensive game. 

      • Mar 27, 20133:26 pm
        by oats

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        Eh, I don’t agree Calderon made the team worse. His acquisition was timed with a tougher schedule in the second half of the season, their streak of good health ended, and then the team quit on the season. None of those things are on Calderon. Did Calderon represent a down grade defensively? Of course he did, but he’s also opened up the offense. Did losing Prince make the depth at small forward suck? Yep, but before that it was shooting guard that had no depth. We were already starting Singler, he just moved over because Knight went from the point to shooting guard. I’m just not seeing how Calderon made the team worse. I can buy arguments that those things kept the team from getting better despite getting the better player, but I don’t see the team getting worse because of him.
         
        This team didn’t really put everything together this year. Someone was always off their game. That happens with bad teams. It was foolish to think that the team going .500 when they should have been tanking and against a bunch of teams that were tanking meant that they were actually good. Last year they probably weren’t as good as their record due to their desire to win meaningless games. I think the team is a little bit better than last year, just not significantly so. Some of that is Knight and Monroe making little progress, some of that is their lottery pick not getting enough play tie, some of that is regression from Stuckey and Maxiell, and some of that is that Ben Gordon was a vaguely useful basketball player while Maggette racks up DNPs. There isn’t some mystery here. A bad team is playing poorly.

        • Mar 27, 20134:21 pm
          by G

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          Not saying Calderon made the team worse, I’m saying losing Prince & Daye made the team worse. One problem was overall depth, trading 2 guys for 1 isn’t going to help that. Drummond’s been out too, that hurt a ton. And Stuckey has turned in his worst year ever since his rookie season.

          • Mar 27, 20134:51 pm
            by oats

            Right. I don’t agree about losing Prince and Daye. Daye hasn’t actually been good enough in Detroit for him to factor in strongly. Middleton can step in to that role, and he’s as good as Daye was. I guess they’re slightly less deep, but it means they don’t have that extra reserve behind Daye that they haven’t actually used, so that is kind of a moot point. The closest thing to an argument here is that Frank didn’t start playing Middleton immediately, but that’s not exactly a strong argument either. It’s not like Frank was consistently using Daye anyways, it was just one of many periods of shuffling around playing time Frank has done this year. The small forward spot is much weaker. Singler is still starting but now in a position he can defend slightly more competently. Shooting guard is also much stronger with Knight there instead of Singler, and point guard is much better with Calderon instead of Knight. The team defense fell off significantly, but Calderon has made the offense better. This just feels like a wash to me and I don’t see how the Calderon trade made the team worse.
             
            I’ll concede Stuckey and Drummond, in fact I already said I agreed with that. The team had good luck with health before the trade, but since it they’ve reverted to closer to league average with injuries. The schedule picked up a bit right after the trade and they started taking losses. When the losses piled up due largely to those two factors the team was no longer in the playoff race and quit on the season. I just don’t see where the Calderon trade had anything to do with any of that.

          • Mar 27, 20135:10 pm
            by G

            Daye is/was better than Middleton. I see potential with Middleton, but he’s not there. Daye wasn’t great, but he shot the 3 well & there are 3 or 4 games the Pistons would’ve lost without him. Frank sat Daye a lot, same as Middleton. Daye hasn’t been getting on the court since going to Memphis so it’s hard to compare where they are now, but Memphis is a lot deeper than the Pistons.

          • Mar 27, 20135:25 pm
            by oats

            The difference has been pretty minimal at best. Using minutes with the Pistons only. Middleton’s average minutes is up 1.2, so not a big difference. Their stats are pretty similar too. An extra .7 points, .7 FTA, and .2 steals for Middleton. 1.1 rebounds, .3 assists, and .1 blocks for Daye. Middleton takes an extra shot and his percentages are lower, but his athleticism might make him a marginally better defender.
             
            Daye might be a slightly better player. Maybe. You aren’t actually arguing the difference between Daye and Middleton over 15 minutes a game makes a big difference on the team, are you? If not, this is still a pretty moot argument.

          • Mar 27, 20135:34 pm
            by oats

            Almost forgot, Daye made a difference in more games because the team was playing better while he was there. I’ve already explained my take on why team is playing worse, and I’m not buying that it is Middleton. If Middleton was in the same situation he might have had the same positive impact. I get why he wasn’t, the team was desperate for 3 point shooting. Calderon is a much better 3 point shooter than Prince so it isn’t as big of a deal now that Middleton is an inferior jump shooter. The team has floor spacers and don’t need that from Middleton as badly as they needed it from Daye. Given that, no, I don’t think there is a significant difference between what Daye does and what Middleton does as far as the overall success of the team.

          • Mar 28, 20138:39 am
            by G

            Yeah, night-in night-out basis they’re pretty close. Daye was a better 3-pt shooter, but other than that, not much different. The reason I give the edge to Daye is because he had a couple of really good games that the Pistons probably would’ve lost otherwise.

            The point is before the Tay-Calderon trade, Middleton was maybe your 4th or 5th best SF. Now he’s probably your 2nd best SF. Stuckey was either your best or 2nd best SG. Now he’s your 2nd best (not much difference). Losing the extra guy weakened the Pistons across the board.

          • Mar 28, 20139:08 am
            by oats

            Umm, they dumped two SFs, so if he was the 5th best then he’d now be the 3rd best. Middleton was the 4th best, but only if Singler is free to play the 3. He wasn’t because he was stuck playing the two, so Middleton was effectively the 3rd best. The team moved both guys ahead of Middleton, but freed up Singler to move to his natural position so Middleton is now the 2nd best. Considering how small the gap between Middleton and Daye, the previous 2nd best, I’m just not convinced it matters. It frees up not one, but 2 starters to play a position they are better suited for, and the bench wasn’t really gutted. They just promoted a DNP guy to an active role, but he fills it roughly the same as the guy he replaced. Or if you want to look at it another way, point guard and shooting guard got better while small forward got worse. I guess we just won’t come to a consensus because I don’t see how they were weakened across the board.

          • Mar 28, 20139:33 am
            by G

            Agree, they’re better at PG. They’re SLIGHTLY better at SG (Knight hasn’t exactly been a revelation there), and they’re FAR worse at SF. Weakened across the board because Tayshaun was their best perimeter defender, Tay & Daye were their 2 best 3-pt shooters, and now since the trade Stuckey has to play significant minutes. Before the trade, Frank could afford to bury him. Now Stuckey gets in at SG AND SF. Rarely has “more of Stuckey” been good this year.

          • Mar 28, 20134:41 pm
            by oats

            I really hate Knight at the point, so I’d say point guard was also far worse with him there. Not as big as the drop off from Prince to Singler, but still much worse. While not a great shooting guard, I’d still consider Knight more than just slightly better than Singler at that spot too. Knight’s almost a starting caliber 2 guard, Singler is very clearly not a starting caliber 2 guard. Singler is closer to a starting SF though, although I definitely still see him as a reserve.
             
            While Tay and Daye were the 2 best 3 point shooters, they actually hit 3 fewer of them than Calderon has since his arrival. Let that sink in for a bit. 24 games is enough for Calderon to hit more 3s than Tay and Daye did in 69 combined games. Have you seen how Calderon has shot in Detroit? He’s currently hitting 52.2% of 3s in Detroit. Yeah, I’m not missing their shooting.
             
            The Stuckey thing is partially Bynum being hurt, and partially Frank being Frank. Bynum could get his minutes ticked up at the point, and that could free the best 3 point shooter on the team to play a bit off ball. Or, I’d play Bynum as an attacking shooting guard like he played at GT with Chris Paul at the point before I’d give Stuckey all those minutes. Middleton has been a much better SF so Stuckey shouldn’t be playing there either. Frank likes to tinker with things, and for whatever reason he’s decided to play Stuckey. That isn’t the team getting worse though. That’s Frank pulling Stuckey out of the doghouse, and Frank insists on playing Knight some at the point which means there is a few minutes at shooting guard than there needs to be. Knight shouldn’t play the point guard at all on this roster, and Stuckey should play maybe 15 minutes a game. Those are both possible if Bynum plays more.

  • Mar 27, 201311:59 am
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    I can here it now:   They just need more time together.  JD should be given another year to see if he can actually add a free agent that is better than the one’s he already saddled the team with,  Frank should be given another chance to get over his sophomoric idea of what a professional starting team looks like. Gores seems to be afraid to shake things up which is what the management needs.  I bet not a single major Detroit sports writer will call for a real change. I feel sorry for the Pistons fans.  Neither JD or Frank at this point are leaders.  As a fan that now lives in Miami said on another board the press there is harder on the heat than the the writers are on what is a 5 year fall from grace that will just continue until REAL changes are made.  The Pistons went from one of the best run organizations in the NBA to a mix of old school that now just out of touch and amateur hour……

    • Mar 27, 201312:22 pm
      by Huddy

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      Miami’s press writes about a team that has the talent to win every game they play, The Pistons’ don’t have that.  Its one thing to defend the organization blindly and it is another to realize the possibility for change.  The CV and BG signings ended up very bad.  At the time I think they were players that at least had the potential to make an impact on the team based on their production at that time and in hindsight it looks horrible, so either way that was a bad move no argument there.  That bad move can not be remedied in a season or two.  The bad move involved contracts for multiple seasons that have set us back quite a bit without the capspace to shake things up.  The only alternative would be a trade and what team wants players on big long contracts that aren’t playing well?
       
      We have changed coaches multiple times and its hard to tell who is good or bad because they have all been handed a team lacking talent.  If we fired Frank this year would we have been competitive?  probably not.  This summer is the first time that we have had cap room again that actually gives JD a chance to prove he can make good moves like he did to bring in a championship and gives the new ownership the chance to prove they want change.  I get the frustration with how the team has been, but the alternatives seem pointless.  Another coach to try and make a team with mostly sub-par players somehow not sub-par?  Another GM that has just as little freedom with cap space until this summer as JD?  Its not another year to add a free agent, its the FIRST year since the mess started that he is even able to, these are posts meant for next year.  If we have the tools and fail then I am all about organizational complaints, but until that time there is only so much that can be done anyway.

  • Mar 27, 201312:07 pm
    by george lento

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    There seems to be a general agreement that the season was a failure, the team did not improve at all during the season, the talent level is subpar, there is no identity or even the seeds of an identity to this team, , they are not competitive at all on most nights, and, worst of all, they have quit trying.
    Rather than bash Mr Frank, which we all could do based on his “accomplishments” so far, I would love to at least sit him down and ask him (Dumars too) what HE thinks he has accomplished up till now, what he thinks he can bring to this team after this season, given that they have quit playing for him.
    I would ask Dumars the same stuff. They probably would just avoid these important questions, but it would at least be somewhat satisfying to have one of our “stellar” local sycophantic beat writers to emerge from their obsequious pandering to this (clearly) dysfunctional organization and ask something meaningful for a change…..maybe they should try reading the chicago or new york writers, who dont seem to share the fear of actually being reporters… 

  • Mar 27, 20132:18 pm
    by frankie d

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    the folks who defend frank – or better, say that he is not as bad as he appears to be – are laughable.
    the team supposedly had turned a corner last season.  the “strong” finish last year was supposed to indicate that this year the team would move forward in an even more positive fashion.
    instead, frank had the team totally out of sync at the beginning of this year.  instead of building on the rapport that stuckey and knight had developed last year, he changed their roles dramatically, and the impact was disastrous.  stuckey didn’t simply have a horrible start, just because…
    no, the offense frank put out there placed him in a ridiculous role as a spot up 3 point shooter.
    instead of taking advantage of an unforseen stroke of great fortune – drummond’s immediate emergence as a real x-factor on the court – frank stubbornly stayed with the plan they’d hatched for him when they drafted him and minimized the impact he could have had when he was healthy. 
    any cogent observer could go on and on and on about frank’s incompetence – or rather his stifling mediocrity – but what is the use.  he is what he is.  a guy whose record has been getting progressively worse, as other coaches have probably figured out his approach and schemes and are more than prepared to take advantage of a guy who should be sitting at the side of a legitimate nba head coach.
    is this a great team?  heck no.  is it a good team?  probably good enough to at least get to .500 if a coach knew how to utilize his talent most effectively and wasn’t stuck on rigid approaches.
    there are lots of coaches – george karl, popovich,  stan van gundy, rick carlisle, among others – who would have this team battling for a playoff spot.  
    hopefully, gores is not an idiot and he’s willing to cut his losses before fans have to go through another one of these travesties.  

  • Mar 27, 20132:43 pm
    by Corey

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    I want Stan Van Gundy as the coach. His Orlando teams accomplished far more than people expected.  He built a top defense around a dominant, athletic defensive center and a whole bunch of medicore defensive talent.  He could create a great team defense around Drummond -and if we surround him with actual defenders we could once again have the kind of defense that Detroit fans love to watch. 

    I know he’ll be overpriced, but imagine if we signed Iguodala or some other good wing defender, and drafted Oladipo.  A lineup of Drummond, Monroe, Iguodala, Oladipo, and Knight would be outstanding defensively, if coached by SVG. Monroe would be the only weak link defensively, and even he’s a strong rebounder, letting Drummond be aggressive on help D and shot blocking. 

    Although, I’d probably rather have a good 3&D player at SF with that lineup, rather than Iguodala. 

    • Mar 27, 20133:54 pm
      by Tom Y.

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      That lineup certainly has the potential to be the top defensive team in the league (while controlling all those rebounds resulting from great D). But they might be horrible offensively. Knight hasn’t shown that he can run an offense, Oladipo’s scoring is suspect (good this year but already down from his torrid start and possibly reverting to 1st two years), Iggy can’t shoot. 

      I’d much rather see a team that balances offense and defense, though the D should come first. They should draft either Porter or Oladipo if possibly (McLemore or Harris also strong possibilities). Sign another veteran shooter like Kyle Korver and a bench big like Brendan Wright. 

      Calderon/Knight
      Oladipo/Knight
      Korver/Singler/Middleton
      Monroe/Wright/CV
      Drummond/Monroe/Slava

      Looks like a pretty well balanced rotation (offense and defense) and a strong bench, and definitely affordable. Or maybe:

      Calderon/Knight
      Knight/English
      Porter/Singler
      Monroe/Wright/CV
      Drummond/Monroe/Slava

      I haven’t found a SG prospect that’s a clear upgrade over Knight in this year’s crop – Mayo has regressed since the season’s start and doesn’t do much beside scoring and Evans isn’t much of a defender either and can’t shoot.

  • Mar 27, 20137:24 pm
    by Corey

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    Good thoughts. But I’d at least want an upgrade over English at backup SG. It’s not yet clear he’s a real NBA player.

    • Mar 28, 20132:05 am
      by oats

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      Easily done. There are literally tons of upgrades on English. Randy Foye and Anthony Morrow are two of my favorite bargain guys. Henderson, Mayo, and Reddick are all going to be expensive but could challenge Knight for the starting spot. This is where I point out that both Mayo and Reddick have similar assist numbers to Knight but way fewer turnovers, but I’ll concede I don’t know if they are worth the high price tag. There’s a wide range of players in between there, including some old guys like Roger Mason Jr. that can serve as stop gaps.
       
      If I was doing it, I’d probably bring in someone like Earl Watson or a 2nd round pick/D League call up to be a 3rd point guard because I don’t know how much I trust Knight in that back up role. Also, for the Porter scenario I noticed he really isn’t spending any money at all. Why not amnesty CV and throw some of that Kyle Korver money at Paul Millsap? Isn’t that more desirable than Wright?

  • Mar 28, 20135:19 am
    by Tom Y.

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    You are right, there’s still money to spend in the Porter scenario. I went with Wright because per-minute he is just as good as Millsap. But Millsap is more proven and has been doing it in bigger minutes (30.1 this season compared to Wright’s 17).

    But you know what – why choose? I think in this scenario, we may actually be able to afford both. Yes, Monroe/Millsap at the 4 with Drummond/Wright at the 5! That’s gonna be the league’s best frontcourt next year and give everybody a lot of problems. And with Porter at the 3 and Singler off the bench, the defense could be pretty great with a very strong bench. The backcourt is still a little weak but if Knight embraces his role at SG and improves there (which I think he can) and we use our 2nd rounder on a backup PG (like Myck Kabongo), that’s a pretty complete and very strong team, which I think can compete for home court in the playoffs starting next season.

    Calderon/Kabongo
    Knight/English
    Porter/Singler/Middleton
    Monroe/Millsap
    Drummond/Wright

    That’s a killer team, isn’t it? I need to check the math there because it’s kinda borderline if we can really afford all those guys, but I think it’s possible. Then next year let Stuck and CV go and use the cap space to extend Monroe. By the year after that, we’ll have a good enough idea what Knight is worth as a SG, and the year after that some of the guys we sign now expire and we can extend Drummond. Sounds like a championship window to me.     

  • Mar 28, 20136:41 am
    by Corey

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    I notice you don’t have CV or Stuckey in your lineup- so cut Stuckey- his contract is only partly guaranteed- and amnesty CV – and we have another $13m in cap space. Use $10m per year on Reddick and make Knight the backup at both guard spots. Monroe can be extended the next year by going over the cap and we still won’t be in danger of luxury tax.

    That team might even be a contender in a couple years. No holes and multiple potential all stars.

    • Mar 28, 20139:03 am
      by G

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      Whew! $10M a year is a LOT for Redick. One thing I keep saying is Millsap will cost between $8-$10M. That’s a pretty high price for a backup. Or if you start him, then Monroe or Drummond have to sit, and you’d either be paying Monroe $12-$14M to come off the bench (which is what he’d be getting after his extension), or you’d be keeping Drummond from developing rapport with the starters.

      • Mar 28, 20139:15 am
        by oats

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        Yeah, I’m not convinced I really want Millsap despite being the one suggesting it. The more I think about it, the more I think I’d rather just sign Wright for much less and have open cap space to facilitate a trade.

  • Mar 28, 201311:34 am
    by Corey

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    Millsap can come off the bench and play 30+ minutes. How is that not worth the money, when he’ll get 30 min a game? He can also play some SF.
     

    • Mar 28, 201312:18 pm
      by G

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      We’ve been over this before, but Millsap isn’t exactly a stretch 4. His game is inside. Beside that, he’s not great defensively. If you think Monroe will have problems with some of the quicker 4′s, Millsap would get obliterated by the league average SF. Lastly, bench players don’t get 30+ minutes a game unless they’re a 6th man. They just don’t. You can argue all day about how many minutes are available, show me an example of a bench player that’s not a 6th man getting 30+/game.

    • Mar 28, 20132:54 pm
      by Tom Y.

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      It’s not worth it if you can get pretty similar production from Wright at half the price, and Wright can play both frontcourt positions.

      @oats I think Knight has a chance of being as good a SG as Redick. Maybe he won’t be, but I wouldn’t pay Redick that kind of money for a pretty minor upgrade.

      • Mar 28, 20134:24 pm
        by oats

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        If your talking the $10 mil, that one wasn’t me. I think Redick is worth maybe $7-8, and I would feel bad about it. The reason to do it is simple, Knight hasn’t proven himself to be a legitimate starter. He’s been a bit of a mixed bag there, and he’s a really streaky shooter. Redick offers some consistency, and is basically what you hope Knight can become on offense. As good of a shooter as Knight’s been, he hasn’t been JJ Redick good. Plus, Knight made no real offensive progress from year one to year two. I wouldn’t consider it a minor upgrade, at least not right away. Redick is clearly better right now.
         
        The reason not to is equally simple. Knight’s defense projects as much better than Redick’s and if his offense catches up to Redick then he is the much better player. Plus, just a normal year’s progress for a guy Knights age makes Redick in to a minor upgrade.
         
        The best reason to sign Redick is to take up enough minutes at shooting guard to clear up minutes for Knight to also play some point guard. I kind of hate Knight at the point and don’t particularly want him playing there even in a reserve role. Then again, Knight hasn’t proven he can start at shooting guard either while Redick has. There really isn’t a good choice for this.

        • Mar 28, 20136:05 pm
          by Tom Y.

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          Knight hardly has a sample of playing at SG, in fact he’s even played some point since moving to SG (resulting, of course, in many TO’s). I get the feeling he sees SG as an inferior position, which I can understand – there’s less responsibility, you take less decisions, while point guards are looked at as leaders and heroes in the league. I think Knight sees himself as one of those heroes. Unfortunately, it seems his skills do not lie in running an NBA offense.

          I think so far, Knight has been played according to what he’s played in college, what he’d like to be, and the position he’d be best at if he “got it”, because of his measurables. However, his skillset is different. He hasn’t shown so far that he’s going to be a good NBA point guard, and I doubt that he will. But I do think he can be a good SG. Better than Redick. Almost as good a shooter,  a better slasher, a better defender, a better rebounder. To do that he needs to embrace that role and learn it, and he needs some time. When he’s commited to the position over some time, I think we will see results.

          And no, I’m not so worried about him being 6’3″. People have considered giving 6’4″ Mayo and Redick big contracts. Knight is pretty athletic, long armed, fast and plays hard. He can be a good defender.

          All of this said, if Porter was off the board I would still grab Oladipo and move Knight to the bench. But mostly because I really like Oladipo. 

          • Mar 28, 20136:21 pm
            by oats

            I actually agree Knight looks more capable of playing shooting guard. I get the sample size thing is part of it, but that’s also part of why I wouldn’t want to hand him the job without competition. He hasn’t done enough to earn that kind of respect from the team. It looks like his more natural position, but while there he has been off and on. Plus, even while playing the point he’s been a streaky shooter. Maybe playing off the ball gets that fixed, but I have no good reason to believe that. He also just isn’t as good of a shooter as Redick. I’m just not convinced the team should hand him that role without earning it. If he can earn it, then Redick will still be an asset that could be traded, assuming we aren’t over paying him. If Knight doesn’t become that kind of shooting guard we can start working on trying to turn him in to a Manu Ginobili type of guard that can come off the bench at both spots. Maybe poor man’s Manu is Knight’s best role.
             
            By the way, I’m not really committed to Redick or anything, I’m kind of playing a bit of devil’s advocate. I don’t actually have any one scenario I think makes the most sense for the team, but I will say bringing in Redick is one of the ones that makes sense to me. There’s just too many variables right now for me to come up with a single plan, and it makes more sense to me to have a fluid plan that is primarily geared towards acquiring assets and figuring out what to do with them later. This team needs a talent upgrade, pure and simple.

          • Mar 29, 20138:11 am
            by G

            Agree with most of what’s been said so far. Just want to add – Pistons have to wait for the draft. If their pick rolls around and it’s McLemore or Oladipo, they’re not picking up Redick to overload the 2 guard spot. This draft is a lot deeper at SG than anywhere else. Unfortunately the same can be said of this free agent class, but if the Pistons draft a SG with their first pick, they’re probably spending their FA money on SF and PG. 

  • Mar 28, 20136:06 pm
    by Corey

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    The best reason to sign Redick is to replace English and Stuckey. BK will still get minutes But we need more than BK and Calderon.

    as for the 6th man argument: what is your definition of a 6th man? If it is “a bench player who gets 30 min a night”, then you are arguing a tautology.

     

    • Mar 28, 20136:25 pm
      by oats

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      Does Reddick at $10 million make more sense than Bynum and Morrow at a combined $7 million? Bynum takes the backup point guard minutes, Knight concentrates on the starting shooting guard spot, and Morrow takes Stuckey’s job as the back up shooting guard. Bynum’s the better point guard of him and Knight, Knight focuses on his more natural position, and Morrow gives us an extra shooter to come off the bench instead of playing Stuckey.

      • Mar 28, 20136:28 pm
        by oats

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        Yes, I totally just argued the other side of this with Tom. My main point is that I really don’t have a concrete answer here. I don’t want Dumars tied to any single plan, I want him to be flexible with his decisions.

    • Mar 29, 20138:23 am
      by G

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      6th man is a guy who comes off the bench & plays more than the starter at his position. Think Tayshaun his second year in the league getting Curry’s minutes, or JR Smith this year getting minutes from whoever the heck is NY’s starting SG this week. It’s not a tautology. JR Smith is a legit 6th man, Amar’e isn’t. 

      The reason why I made the 6th man exception is because a 6th man takes minutes away from the starter. What you’re advocating is playing equal minutes to 3 guys that play in 1 of the same 2 positions.  I’m saying that doesn’t happen. If a bench guy is playing 30+ then one of the starters is playing 25 or less.

  • Mar 28, 201310:14 pm
    by Corey

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    I am not set on anything either, but it’s interesting to discuss. There’s no way we can predict what opportunities will really be there this off season. But they sure do need to upgrade the team this off season. I’m not buying league pass next year unless they start lookinglike a professional basketball team.

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