Comments on: At least we don’t have to endure calls for Brian Hill to replace Lawrence Frank permanently http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Mon, 20 May 2013 15:55:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Lorenzo http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125983 Lorenzo Fri, 08 Mar 2013 18:28:53 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125983 Well I think it's too early to get into tiers right now, we haven't even had a peak at the conference tournaments let alone the NCAA. We can have plenty of talk on tiers and ceilings after the dust settles on that. It's all subjective but I think at this point he is a sure bet Top-5 pick, and unless he has a disastrous post season or a few of the other guys have stupendously good tournament performances...I can't see him dropping out of that perch. He has been pigeon holed as a top 5 pick for a couple of years now so he has some traction in all this. I obviously think more of his skill set than you, you might very well be right though; time will tell. Well I think it’s too early to get into tiers right now, we haven’t even had a peak at the conference tournaments let alone the NCAA. We can have plenty of talk on tiers and ceilings after the dust settles on that. It’s all subjective but I think at this point he is a sure bet Top-5 pick, and unless he has a disastrous post season or a few of the other guys have stupendously good tournament performances…I can’t see him dropping out of that perch. He has been pigeon holed as a top 5 pick for a couple of years now so he has some traction in all this. I obviously think more of his skill set than you, you might very well be right though; time will tell.

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125934 G Fri, 08 Mar 2013 16:22:43 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125934 ^Agree. This team FEELS like it's headed in the right direction, even while going to a 4th straight lottery. Obviously Joe D has to use his cap space well, but I think he deserves a chance.  Part of the problem with the post-2008 Pistons is Dumars was trying to rebuild the team's core on the fly, which is EXTREMELY hard to do. If he had instead decided to blow it up & start over, we wouldn't have made the playoffs in 2009 but we probably would be 2 years ahead of where we are now. The bad contracts & Davidson's death also delayed the "blow it up" process for another couple years, but now we're there.  We have a young, somewhat talented core, cap space, and a lottery pick. This is the best position the team has been in since they held the #2 pick in the 2003 draft. Don't blow it!  ^Agree. This team FEELS like it’s headed in the right direction, even while going to a 4th straight lottery. Obviously Joe D has to use his cap space well, but I think he deserves a chance. 

Part of the problem with the post-2008 Pistons is Dumars was trying to rebuild the team’s core on the fly, which is EXTREMELY hard to do. If he had instead decided to blow it up & start over, we wouldn’t have made the playoffs in 2009 but we probably would be 2 years ahead of where we are now. The bad contracts & Davidson’s death also delayed the “blow it up” process for another couple years, but now we’re there. 

We have a young, somewhat talented core, cap space, and a lottery pick. This is the best position the team has been in since they held the #2 pick in the 2003 draft. Don’t blow it! 

]]> By: Chris N http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125924 Chris N Fri, 08 Mar 2013 15:51:16 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125924 "In the last decade Detroit has never been a ball club that manages and grows it’s young players, and realizes their true potential." That's not accurate.  Tayshaun Prince an Mehmet Okur were both drafted by the Pistons and played a prominent role in helping the Pistons win the 2004 championship. And the reason most of the other players on your list didn't get the type of playing time that younger developing players often need is that they were a successful team with a veteran-centric roster.  Not the environment that's usually conducive towards "developing" young talent. The Pistons may have erred in holding on to their veteran core for as long as they did, but that's an observation made with the benefit of hindsight.   As I mentioned before, gutting the front office now could be a dangerous move and very ill-timed. The Pistons would need to 1) interview and find a GM that would then have a matter of weeks to 2) get up to speed on the pistons assets and liabilities talent and cap-wise,  3) make a plan of action regarding cap space and free agency, 4)interview and hire a coach and 5) prepare for the draft and go through free agency. That's a lot to try to accomplish at a critical juncture.  I think that the Pistons would only attempt to do something like that if it were evident that ownership had a complete lack of confidence in Joe Dumars.  I don't think that they do.   “In the last decade Detroit has never been a ball club that manages and grows it’s young players, and realizes their true potential.”

That’s not accurate.  Tayshaun Prince an Mehmet Okur were both drafted by the Pistons and played a prominent role in helping the Pistons win the 2004 championship.

And the reason most of the other players on your list didn’t get the type of playing time that younger developing players often need is that they were a successful team with a veteran-centric roster.  Not the environment that’s usually conducive towards “developing” young talent.

The Pistons may have erred in holding on to their veteran core for as long as they did, but that’s an observation made with the benefit of hindsight.  

As I mentioned before, gutting the front office now could be a dangerous move and very ill-timed. The Pistons would need to 1) interview and find a GM that would then have a matter of weeks to 2) get up to speed on the pistons assets and liabilities talent and cap-wise,  3) make a plan of action regarding cap space and free agency, 4)interview and hire a coach and 5) prepare for the draft and go through free agency.

That’s a lot to try to accomplish at a critical juncture.  I think that the Pistons would only attempt to do something like that if it were evident that ownership had a complete lack of confidence in Joe Dumars.  I don’t think that they do.  

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125906 G Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:41:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125906 It's like comparing Magic Johnson's lack of a 3pt shot to Craig Hodges in 1986... Hodges already HAS a 3pt shot, all he has to do is work on that other stuff! It’s like comparing Magic Johnson’s lack of a 3pt shot to Craig Hodges in 1986… Hodges already HAS a 3pt shot, all he has to do is work on that other stuff!

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125903 G Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:32:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125903 Let's back up a second. First, if you're breaking this draft up into tiers, then I think there are about 6 players in the top tier and there's a bit of a drop off to the second tier. I think Shabazz Muhammad belongs in the 2nd tier.  Oats pointed out Muhammad probably gets a lot of time at the 2. I think he gets time at both spots, SG & SF, and his ceiling is maybe Dan Majerle with better defense. At worst he becomes a 3&D player, like what Thabo Sefolosha has become.  Let’s back up a second. First, if you’re breaking this draft up into tiers, then I think there are about 6 players in the top tier and there’s a bit of a drop off to the second tier. I think Shabazz Muhammad belongs in the 2nd tier. 

Oats pointed out Muhammad probably gets a lot of time at the 2. I think he gets time at both spots, SG & SF, and his ceiling is maybe Dan Majerle with better defense. At worst he becomes a 3&D player, like what Thabo Sefolosha has become. 

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125898 G Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:14:59 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125898 LeBron went 4-14 against Memphis last Friday. What a scrub. LeBron went 4-14 against Memphis last Friday. What a scrub.

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125896 G Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:09:18 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125896 New isn't always better. Dumars has made a lot of mistakes, but then you just listed 6 promising players that Dumars also drafted. Wait & see what he does this off-season, and I suspect there's more to come in the Summer of 2014. Wiping the slate clean would set the team back. You do that when they hit bottom, not when they're rebuilding. FYI, Afflalo's first name is actually spelled Arron. Not a big deal, it's probably the most misspelled name of any American-born player.  New isn’t always better. Dumars has made a lot of mistakes, but then you just listed 6 promising players that Dumars also drafted. Wait & see what he does this off-season, and I suspect there’s more to come in the Summer of 2014. Wiping the slate clean would set the team back. You do that when they hit bottom, not when they’re rebuilding.

FYI, Afflalo’s first name is actually spelled Arron. Not a big deal, it’s probably the most misspelled name of any American-born player. 

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125894 G Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:02:33 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125894 Robinson III? I don't even think he belongs in the draft. He needs to go back in the oven & bake a little, he's not done yet. Wish list goes like this: McLemore, Oladipo, Porter, Burke... I guess Gary Harris, and if none of them are available, then Muhammad. In the second round I think we should go for Ray McCallum or Adreian Payne.  I think if we draft a 2 we should still keep Calderon. Knight isn't a PG, trying to force him to play there just screws with his development. I'm usually against dealing picks because that rookie scale means you have (hopefully) a quality player for something like 9 years at a (relatively)  small salary. Robinson III? I don’t even think he belongs in the draft. He needs to go back in the oven & bake a little, he’s not done yet.

Wish list goes like this: McLemore, Oladipo, Porter, Burke… I guess Gary Harris, and if none of them are available, then Muhammad. In the second round I think we should go for Ray McCallum or Adreian Payne. 

I think if we draft a 2 we should still keep Calderon. Knight isn’t a PG, trying to force him to play there just screws with his development. I’m usually against dealing picks because that rookie scale means you have (hopefully) a quality player for something like 9 years at a (relatively)  small salary.

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125892 G Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:53:29 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125892 Rose & Wall are COMPLETELY different players from Knight. Rose wasn't some bum that developed a 3pt shot and suddenly became MVP. He was still a bad 3pt shooter his second year,  but he averaged 20 & 6. He's STILL not a good 3pt shooter, his .312% is below league average.  3pt shooting is one of Knight's strengths, probably his biggest one. Rose & Wall have other strengths that Knight will probably never have, just like Wall will probably never have a good shot & Rose will probably be only average at best from 3. It's a bad comparison.  Rose & Wall are COMPLETELY different players from Knight. Rose wasn’t some bum that developed a 3pt shot and suddenly became MVP. He was still a bad 3pt shooter his second year,  but he averaged 20 & 6. He’s STILL not a good 3pt shooter, his .312% is below league average. 

3pt shooting is one of Knight’s strengths, probably his biggest one. Rose & Wall have other strengths that Knight will probably never have, just like Wall will probably never have a good shot & Rose will probably be only average at best from 3. It’s a bad comparison. 

]]> By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/03/at-least-we-dont-have-to-endure-calls-for-brian-hill-to-replace-lawrence-frank-permanently/comment-page-1/#comment-125891 G Fri, 08 Mar 2013 13:46:40 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=13147#comment-125891 Just because he's not a PG doesn't mean that the stat is now irrelevant. For the SG position, most players average an A/TO ratio somewhere in between 2 & 1. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect more good games than he's given us. Just because he’s not a PG doesn’t mean that the stat is now irrelevant. For the SG position, most players average an A/TO ratio somewhere in between 2 & 1. I don’t expect perfection, but I do expect more good games than he’s given us.

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