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Pistons routed by Pacers again

Indiana Pacers 90 Final
Recap | Box Score
72 Detroit Pistons
Will Bynum, PG 15 MIN | 7-14 FG | 1-1 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 15 PTS | -10

Punched Tyler Hansbrough in the stomach.

48 Comments

  • Feb 24, 201312:37 am
    by MrCarter

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    Right, I wouldnt want to see the other players grades anyway

  • Feb 24, 201312:48 am
    by D-Tove

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    Why didn’t BK play?

    • Feb 24, 201312:56 am
      by Jay

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      I guess he’s still injured. I read recently that his MRI was revealed as negative..so maybe he comes back next game. 

      • Feb 24, 20131:24 am
        by Vince

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        Apparently the MRI showed there was fluid in his knee, so I assume at some point he’ll get that drained.

  • Feb 24, 201312:48 am
    by DasMark

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    If the players voted the regular season MVP, Will would have just propelled himself to the top five. 

  • Feb 24, 20131:00 am
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    He is the best in his size. You should mention that Maxiell ruined the game for us when he enters the last part of the second quarter. It was travesty his lack of concentration. Turning the ball over and playing 0 defense under the rim. It’s below F

  • Feb 24, 20131:27 am
    by Vince

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    Why Frank didn’t put Bynum back in during the third astounds me. Why? He’s the best player they have during that game and he sits him as the starters keep playing like lifeless corpses and help the Pacers extend the lead. Bynum and Middleton were good today, and the latter really impressed me, he doesn’t look like a rook.

    • Feb 24, 20131:44 am
      by Mark

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      Why Frank started the same lineup tonight that just failed miserably last night astounds me too. 

      I could understand if Knight had played both games, and just staying with the lineup you’ve had all year and not making changes over 1 game. BUT, when Knight is not playing and you can choose any player on the roster to fill in at SG for the game tonight, without it being any kind of permanent move, why in the world would you choose Stuckey AGAIN?!

      Will and Middleton were the only perimeter players who had any success at all on FRI, so why not start him Bynum at PG, and just move Calderon to SG for tonight? Or why not give Middleton the start at SG over Stuckey? Why not move Singler back to SG and start Middleton at SF for a game? 

      Frank had options, and those players again came through tonight and were effective. Yet he instead chose the same group that already proved to fail. LOL

      And then he compounds it, by bringing them back out to start the 3rd qtr, after they had just given up a 10-0 run to end the 2nd, after the bench guys got us back in the game, after the starters gave up a 10-0 run to start the game!!!!!

      Is Frank just an idiot or what!!!??? How can he watch what doesn’t work, then watch what does work, and continue to choose what doesn’t work?

      Its really mind boggling

      • Feb 24, 201312:08 pm
        by frankie d

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        “Why Frank started the same lineup tonight that just failed miserably last night astounds me too….”
        easy….he’s a lousy coach.  or rather, more accurately, not a good coach.
        the only thing astounding, really, is that dumars and gore and lots of fans are still under the illusion that  a bb genius lurks somewhere underneath all of the apparent mediocrity that has been on display both in new jersey and now here in detroit.
        he is what he appears to be: a competent assistant coach who knows x’s and o’s, but who is entirely incapable of leading a team as a head coach.
        he doesn’t make timely and decisive in-game decisions, he clearly doesn’t know how to manage an  nba roster and his inability to motivate players is laughingly absent.
        he looks like the image of a head coach from about 20 years ago – eg, mike fratello and his ilk – but the game has changed and so has the role of the head coach.
        while his embrace of advanced stats belies his retrograde approach to coaching, he’s pure bobby knight  in an nba environment.
        the only question at this point is how much more damage he is going to do to the team’s young players – like jj and stuckey and english and monroe and knight and maybe drummond – and how soon dumars and gores realize that danger and get rid of him, for the sake of the team’s future.
         

  • Feb 24, 20131:35 am
    by ryan

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    I only wish that Will Bynum had hurt him.

    • Feb 24, 20137:07 am
      by RalphHau

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      Hey, way to go Will.  The Pacers play a rough game, no problem giving them a bit of their own medicine!

  • Feb 24, 20133:06 am
    by ryan

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    On the plus side of two very ugly loses Khris Middleton showed some good signs in both games.
     

  • Feb 24, 20133:11 am
    by Passion not energy

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    Im telling you people , this team has quit on Frank.

    FIRE FRANK NOW   

  • Feb 24, 20136:43 am
    by Tangen

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    That was great, I just spit my cereal out. 

  • Feb 24, 20139:17 am
    by Venice

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    Man I can’t believe that I’m saying this but, we really need to tank the rest of the season. We badly need that player who can score and create his own shot. God pls give us Muhammad!

  • Feb 24, 201310:21 am
    by Corey

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    Dre being out a month is the best thing that ever happened to our draft position. It still boggles the mind we got him at 9.  Maybe fortune will smile again, this time with a top 3 pick

  • Feb 24, 201310:46 am
    by hirobeats

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    Viktor Oladipo is the obvious choice, he will be a better pro that Muhammad, already following a very similar career path to D. Wade. Same size and height, late bloomers in college, star in the NBA. 

  • Feb 24, 201311:11 am
    by Vic

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    In more relevant Pistons news, Otto Porter may have just played himself out of current Pistons draft range.
    He basically beat Syracuse by himself last night. 33 points, 8 rebounds, 5 steals in a LOW scoring big easy game (unlike west coast games). Complete domination offensively and defensively.
     

    • Feb 24, 201312:45 pm
      by frankie d

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      saw the syracuse game, and i’m a believer in porter.
      while i still think the pistons should draft trey burke, as calderone has shown how desperately they need a young point guard with burke’s skills, porter would not be a bad choice.
      he’s a weird player.  kind of like a combination of dennis rodman, jerome williams,  the old junkyard dog and keith wilkes.  read somewhere where he was compared to tayshaun and that kind of fits, though he plays at a much higher pace, with much greater energy.  and he is much, much more rugged, more physical, despite his lack of bulk.  he definitely doesn’t mind sticking his nose right in the middle of a rebounding scrum.  he’s extremely smart, with a great energy level and he’s turned himself into a very good three point shooter.  he handles the ball pretty well, moves the ball like afflalo moves the ball – he rarely holds onto it for more than a couple of seconds before he moves it to another player – and he rebounds like a power forward.  he’d be perfect as the SF on a front line with drummond and monroe.   he’s not a great one on one offensive player, but i don’t think a player, even a SF has to be bernard king in order to play in the nba.
      while he obviously is not an elite athlete, so what.  while elite athleticism is always nice, it is often overrated, as everyone gets blinded by what that athleticism will allow a player to supposedly do when he develops, and they ignore the strong skills and talents less athletic guys bring to the table.
      burke and porter would both be at the top of my draft list, if i am detroit.  too bad joe d couldn’t have  packaged some of his excess talent – tay, daye, max, stuckey, eg – and turned it into a late lottery, mid-first pick.  picking up both of those guys, adding them to monroe, drummond, singler and knight,  would set the team up for the next decade. 
      i still don’t think he’ll go in the top 5, because teams will always gamble on elite athleticism and potential – absent supposed red flags like drummond had – and porter isn’t that eye-opening, jaw-dropping athlete that is always drafted in every draft’s top 5.  but i wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up being one of the top 5 players, after 5 years in the league.
      i think he’ll probably go somewhere around 7-10, which should be right around where detroit picks.
      again. 

  • Feb 24, 201311:34 am
    by Justin

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    I’m loving the snarky funny posts lately

  • Feb 24, 201312:41 pm
    by piston moribund

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    The earliest I think I have ever started looking on the draft sites.  Just waiting for the season to end. 
    Maybe also consider a good athletic PF also to match up with Dre.  Bullwinkle has bad hands, he is always losing the ball in traffic and gets it stripped more then even BK.  Cannot rebound in traffic.  Cannot dunk in traffic either.  His ceiling is not very high and seems to get lower every time he gets exposed.  Playing next to Dre only emphasizes the fact that he moves like someone on my rec league.  Need to trade him for a higher draft position.

    • Feb 24, 20132:17 pm
      by tarsier

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      Monroe is top ten in the league in rebounding. You’re claiming that all of those come when nobody else is around?

      • Feb 24, 20133:43 pm
        by piston moribund

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        Actually he is ranked 14th.  His per 48 ranks him even lower at 23rd.  His scoring is even lower.  There is a reason he has padded his rebounding numbers, there is no one playing with him on a consistent basis who can rebound leaving him the only option.  He is not playing in a vacuum so the relative numbers means that hey seem ok.  If you compare him to Noah, the other very awkward center, I was surprised to see that Noah’s assist numbers are actually higher.  Hmmmm, only because Rose in injured, so that does not mean that Noah is a better passer, he is merely filling the gaps.
        We can agree to disagree but as mentioned in my previous posts, an average player on a bad team can seem great.  Its best to hold off on the assumption that he is a great player until a better player like Dre is paired up with him.  Then we can see what his numbers are going to be when Dre is sucking up all the rebounds or the off chance that being around someone who garners that much attention would actually help Bulwinkle’s game.
        I admit that there are aspects of his game which is pretty good, but certainly deserves the scrutiny that any “great player” deserves.  Only he is not “great.”

        • Feb 24, 201310:27 pm
          by tarsier

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          It depends on which numbers you use. Based on who qualifies by Y! stats (so someone like Varejao’s not there because he hasn’t played most of the season), he’s tenth:
          http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/bycategory?cat=Fielding&sort=26

          But the exact rank is irrelevant. I never claimed Monroe is a great player. Or even an elite rebounder, although he certainly has the potential to develop into both of those things. You claimed that he cannot rebound in traffic. Greg Monroe is clearly an above average rebounder, no matter how you slice it. I don’t know how you define “in traffic”, but unless it is a rare scenario, it seems improbable that Monroe is not good at rebounding in that setting.

  • Feb 24, 20131:07 pm
    by Tom Y.

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    I’m starting to be pretty optimistic about this draft. Burke, Carter-Williams, Oladipo, Muhammad, McLemore and Porter all look like promising players and potentially good fits. With a bunch of centers currently projected in the higher lottery, we’re almost guarenteed a choice between 2-3 of those guys when we pick.
    My favorite scenario for now would be signing Calderon long term and drafting Oladipo. He’d lock down whoever the better player is on opposing frontcourts and make up for Calderon’s limitations on D (and BTW he’s been a better defender than I expected so far). A team with Dre under the rim and Oladipo on the perimeter could really shut down opposing offenses.

  • Feb 24, 20134:16 pm
    by Ryank

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    We made a mini run as soon as Bynum was tossed.  We made that run with CV providing one of his classic 1-11 performances.  On the bright side, Bynum might be suspended for the next game…that’ll give us a much better chance to win the game.

    • Feb 24, 20136:14 pm
      by duke

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      another hater.

      • Feb 24, 20138:11 pm
        by Ryank

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        Hater of bad basketball.

        • Feb 24, 201311:26 pm
          by duke

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          Did Will hit on your wife? You never seem to comment on anything else?

          • Feb 25, 201312:38 am
            by Vince

            Pretty sure Will must’ve taken a shit in his cereal or something.

  • Feb 24, 20134:40 pm
    by Corey

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    I really like Monroe, but could see trading him this summer as a “wildcard” rebuilding option. The difficulty is that there are very few players that it would make sense to trade him for. I’d love to see Ryan Anderson at PF next to Drummond, for example. But who else? Only a good-rebounding, great-shooting stretch four would actually be an improvement. Who are the options? Kevin Love? Can’t get him. That leaves Ryan Anderson- anyone else? Interestingly, Monroe would be Goodrich fit with Anthony Davis, so it might work for both teams.

    • Feb 24, 20137:32 pm
      by oats

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      How about Charlie Villanueva. In all seriousness, CV averages 8 rebounds per 36 minutes in his career, compared to Ryan Anderson’s whopping 8.3. I should also point out that before getting to Detroit CV was up at 8.6, so I have to admit it’s dropped while in Detroit. Of course, that drop happened mostly in the first two years in Detroit as this year he is averaging 7.9 per 36. Seeing as Anderson is down to 7.4 rebounds per 36, that is notable. Anderson is the better player because he is a much better shooter, but let’s not pretend like he can rebound.
       

  • Feb 24, 20135:32 pm
    by piston moribund

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    A Love Dre front court would be the best in the league.  The team would also avoid getting maxed out by Bullwinkle.  Joe should trade the kitchen sink and how ever many draft picks to get this done.  I think Minny would be open to getting Bullwinkle, Stuckey(expiring 4 mil), and Charlie(expiring 8.5mil) to match and however many draft picks it takes.  Fire frank and hire anyone. 

    • Feb 24, 20138:40 pm
      by oats

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      Well, cap space is way less valuable to Minnesota than young players. They’ll have difficulty signing free agents without Love on the team, unless we somehow think Monroe can help with that. So, Monroe plus at least 3 unprotected first round draft picks, Singler, and cap space sounds close to their asking price. Keep in mind those picks are all delayed due to the BG trade, so that sounds close to right.
       
      You know what sounds closer to me. Monroe, Knight, Jerebko, Singler, Stuckey, and 2 first round picks for Love and Roy. Jerebko, Knight, and Singler are young players on reasonable contracts that have a chance to be productive. Stuckey will be a useful player on a deal that will be expiring next season, or he could be bought out. Monroe is the center of the rebuilding attempt, and 2 draft picks get it finished. I think Minnesota takes that, but does Detroit? I think if the Gordon trade never happen they do, but potentially having only 3 1st round picks in 6 years is a tough deal to make. If they’d take 1 first round pick then Detroit should do it, but I’m not certain they bite on that. Either way, that is the kind of deal I’d expect them to look at. Multiple young players, some expiring deals, and draft picks is the going rate for a star player. It’d be easier if Minny had some really bad contracts they want out of, but I don’t know who that would be. But if the T Wolves make him available, wouldn’t Houston jump in to that discussion? It would be ridiculously easy for them to outbid Detroit while holding on to a Lin, Harden, Parsons, Love, Asik lineup. It might be cheaper if they toss in Parsons, but they’d need to find a new SF. Either way, I doubt Detroit really has what it takes to get Love.

      • Feb 24, 201310:31 pm
        by tarsier

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        Let’s put it this way. They probably won’t trade Love unless they don’t think he will be part of their future (either they think he is overrated or he wants to leave). But if they are willing to move him, who is going to give them more than Monroe and maybe a couple mediocre prospects? It is absurd to think that there would be three first round picks. They might ask for that but it would be like Reddick asking for a max contract in a negotiation knowing he’ll probably end up with less than half that.

  • Feb 24, 20136:08 pm
    by Mrshourite

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    Lamarcua Aldridge would be a nice fit also.

  • Feb 24, 20136:21 pm
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    Maxiell is not a STARTER

  • Feb 24, 20136:33 pm
    by Nick S

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    Aldridge is too old, Love CAN be had, He is not happy with the Wolves. Monroe isn’t and never will be a max player.   Monroe and what ever it takes to get Love is the move to pair with Drummond.

    • Feb 24, 20137:45 pm
      by oats

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      Well, the closest comparison to Monroe production wise is probably Roy Hibbert. Hibbert is clearly a better defender, but Monroe is a much better offensive player. If Hibbert got a max deal, then Monroe likely deserves one right now. Given time that will be even more true. Maybe you think Hibbert didn’t deserve his, but he got it. The fact is a guy is a max player if the market will give him max money. Monroe will get max money, or at least close enough to it that it won’t matter. As for Love, he would be a much better fit than Monroe. I just don’t see how Detroit would get him. Plus, why should Love be any happier in Detroit than Minnesota. If they can get him they definitely should, but I really am not buying it as all that realistic.

    • Feb 25, 201312:29 am
      by jamesjones_det

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      Aldridge is 27, he’s not “too old”.
       
      How long have you been watching basketball?  Can you name a team with all sub 25s starters that has even posted even a .500 season?  I can’t.

  • Feb 24, 20136:55 pm
    by Saul

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    CV needs to start at PF in Maxiell’s spot until an upgrade can be found. C-Vil stretches the floor with his 3-point shooting which would open up room inside for Monroe. Will Bynum needs to play all the minutes he can take on this below-average team. Have him backing up Calderon to start the game and then either play SG or move ot PG and Calderon play SG, whichever. I notice too that a lot of times I see the box score and Monroe plays less than 30 minutes despite the facts that ONE he’s the team’s best player, TWO isn’t in foul trouble and 3 is shooting at least ok. Other games like against the Pacers he shoots 4-16 but plays? WTH?? This is SIMPLE STUFF FRANK. I was on board with his signing as coach originally but this is just uncalled for!! I really can’t stress these points enough, and there’s been other things the rest of you have mentioned. Hey Feldman, can you pass these things on to Dumars or whoever, Gores maybe? Because Frank can’t be allowed to screw up the team. I won’t have it!!

  • Feb 24, 201310:38 pm
    by robertbayer

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    Never wanted Frank .. the 0 and 16 with the Nets should have been enough to scare anyone ..

  • Feb 24, 201311:59 pm
    by Keith

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    I’m just going to throw it out there, but has anyone considered that good coaches don’t want to come to Detroit? Joe always sides with the players and is changing over coaches often before they can even institute some change. We always seem to play the same terrible plodding style no matter who the coach is, as if Joe is forcing it down his coaches’ throats instead of letting them organically utilize players. Also, let’s be honest, prior to Drummond’s great rookie year we had no franchise talents that a coach would be excited to work with.
     
    Detroit hasn’t been a good environment for coaches since Joe took over.

  • Feb 25, 201312:35 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Carisle was Awesome (my favorite)
    Larry Brown won a title (awesome)
    Flip Saunders was cool, but or team was arrogant (need a stronger personality)
    Any the rest has just been a horrible mess…

    • Feb 25, 20131:16 am
      by tarsier

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      Flip Saunders was probably the most technically proficient coach the Pistons have had. But that team was just too headstrong for him to handle. They would play his way in the regular season when they didn’t care. But in spite of seeing how well his system worked, they didn’t trust him and played their own way in the playoffs. Another title would’ve been tough anyway, but the Pistons’ players shot themselves in the foot.

      In short, any head coach should wish to have Flip on his team. But yeah, he doesn’t have a commanding enough persona to run the show for just any team. 

    • Feb 25, 201312:14 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

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      Who wouldn’t want any of these three coaches back now?  I think Joe thought that his team was good enough that any coach could win with them, which brought us to Michael Curry.  After that, nobody wanted to come here because of the revovling door at the coaching position.

  • Feb 25, 201312:49 am
    by psiton moribund

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    Mo Cheeks
    Any Spurs assistant
    Skiles(Kidding)
    Van Gundy, Stan, go ousted by dwight, can coach dwight 2.0
     
     
     

    • Feb 25, 20139:41 am
      by G

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      Not a fan of Stan Van Jeremy. Shaq called him a master of panic & he’s absolutely right

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