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Pistons play flat in loss to Knicks, but at least Jose Calderon looked solid

Detroit Pistons 85 Final

Recap | Box Score

99 New York Knicks
Jason Maxiell, PF 22 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | +3Maxiell’s lack of production wasn’t entirely his fault tonight. The Knicks’ small lineup meant he had to try to defend either Carmelo Anthony or Iman Shumpert. Even if Maxiell was playing great (and he wasn’t at all), he’s not winning either of those matchups.
Greg Monroe, C 35 MIN | 6-13 FG | 1-2 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 1 STL | 3 BLK | 5 TO | 13 PTS | -12Monroe got off to a poor start and he had another of the occasional really sloppy games that we’ve seen this season with five turnovers. He also missed a layup in the first quarter on a perfect pass from Jose Calderon.
Jose Calderon, PG 27 MIN | 7-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 15 PTS | -9Not a bad debut for Calderon, who shot well and had no turnovers. He also would’ve had a few more assists if guys hit shots he set up for them that were very makable.
Brandon Knight, PG 28 MIN | 2-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -12Knight didn’t shoot well and didn’t do anything else that contributed tonight.
Kyle Singler, SG 25 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -9Singler was ineffective defensively tonight, but at least he didn’t compound by having an awful shooting game like a few of his teammates.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 23 MIN | 3-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | -12Villanueva shot poorly, but as he’s sneakily been doing at times this season, he helped out on the boards and even picked up a couple assists. It was far from a stellar performance, but it could’ve been much worse.
Jonas Jerebko, PF 17 MIN | 4-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 8 PTS | -7Jerebko had his best game in a while, and he did it by doing Jerebko-like things — rebounding, hustling, running and getting into passing lanes.
Andre Drummond, C 8 MIN | 1-6 FG | 0-2 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -3Drummond had one of his worst games of the season (but still managed to get five boards in eight minutes). He left the game with what is reportedly a sore back, and when he was in there, he looked off. Amar’e Stoudemire easily got post position and beat him off the dribble early in the game.
Viacheslav Kravtsov, C 2 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | +2Kravtsov played! And made a shot! That’s really about all that can be said about his two minute cameo.
Will Bynum, PG 21 MIN | 5-8 FG | 3-4 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 13 PTS | -5Bynum shot well and provided a spark offensively, but also had three turnovers.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 30 MIN | 6-15 FG | 2-4 FT | 7 REB | 4 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 14 PTS | -8Stuckey shot poorly, but he did rebound well, played OK defense with three steals and picked up a few assists.
Lawrence FrankThe Pistons missed good shots and didn’t play with much energy. Plus, their lineup was limited due to Drummond’s apparent injury. Whatever the gameplan was against the Knicks obviously didn’t work, but New York is also a really bad matchup for the Pistons at key positions.

63 Comments

  • Feb 4, 201311:20 pm
    by domnick

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    on Drum, why rate a guy F when he got himself hurt.. come on.. thats not fair…

    • Feb 4, 201311:23 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      It’s totally fair. Grades are meant to evaluate impact on a game. He had a negative impact on the game for the eight minutes he was in there. He couldn’t guard Stoudemire and he was slow. Sure, that was due to injury, which I noted, but I’m not going to pretend like his presence on the court was positive in any way tonight. He looked bad. I explained it was likely due to the injury, but that doesn’t change the fact that he looked bad.

      • Feb 5, 201312:12 am
        by Mark

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        Not agreeing or disagreeing with your grade or system, but just as a suggestion maybe use an ‘Incomplete’ for players who get injured in games.

      • Feb 5, 20131:33 am
        by bball4224

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        I thought he did better than Monroe. The dude was AWFUL. Seriously I was getting incredibly worked up about how long he was in. He didn’t shoot well, he didn’t defend worth a crap, he threw terrible passes, and he dropped the ball about ten times. Luckily for him quite a few of them were picked up by his teammates. Drummond still managed a steal and a block in the eight minutes he was in. Idk it just seemed to me that Drummond had a more positive impact to me than Monroe did, until Ryan said why Drummond wasn’t playing I was getting pretty frustrated. I guess there wasn’t much else we could have done though. (Slava?)

        Pretty much the only people I thought didn’t completely suck were Calderon, Jerebko, and Drummond. And Drummond didn’t do great either. Villanueva and Stuckey were both alright but still neither was very impressive.

        If we were really trying to get back into the game idk why Calderon wasn’t at all during the 4th. Also, the three guard line-up, yeah it sucks big time.

    • Feb 5, 20138:13 am
      by G

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      I agree with the F. He wasn’t doing the things he normally does. I thought he should’ve had at least 3 more rebounds, but he got out-worked. He definitely should’ve had more points but was unable to finish. Even if the back is the culprit, he was bad.

  • Feb 4, 201311:21 pm
    by Brigs

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    Sore back? wonder y we didn’t hear anything about this before the game and y would he play at all if it was so sore that he could only play 8 mins

  • Feb 4, 201311:30 pm
    by Javell

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    Please pistons fans dont star blaming this game on anybody! Particullay knight… He had a bad shooting knight ok move on to the next game

  • Feb 4, 201311:37 pm
    by lisa

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    That was one hard game to watch! UGLY!!! It is like we play no defense, miss lay ups, and put backs. How do you get guys to be consistent ?

  • Feb 4, 201311:43 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Can we please end this “Knight@SG” experiment now!..Start Knight/Stuckey together and bring Calderon off the bench…Calderon can still be a mentor to Knight, but don’t play those two together for the majority of the game(especially as starters)…

    • Feb 5, 20131:34 am
      by bball4224

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      Knight is the one who should be coming off the bench over Calderon. Knight has had everything given to him on this team and he gets so much praise for doing so little.

      • Feb 5, 20138:11 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        Knight needs to be traded or he needs to told its his team…

        If the kid is a scoring PG let him score…..I hate when you draft players and then you want to make them into what you want, and then when they dont do it well or they struggle…he is considered a bust….

    • Feb 5, 20138:16 am
      by G

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      After one game? Barely one practice together? We tried out Knight as a starting PG for over 90 games before the Calderon trade, maybe we should reserve judgement on Knight as a shooting guard until they get a couple games under their belts.

      It was a bad game for nearly everyone, like there was a lid on the rim. Let’s hold our breath & let it play out a little.

      • Feb 5, 201311:42 am
        by sebastian

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        Jodi Jezz is right, B. Knight is not a SG. He is a scoring PG. He (B. Knight) is out of position, when required to cover the opposing shooting guard, not named Monte Ellis or Eric Gordon.
        Secondly, B. Knight is required to work much harder, when attempting to score from the SG position, over what will be larger and stronger opponents. Over time, he will become worn down and in position to become injured, perhaps more so than if he was guarding his natural position.
        Finally, playing the SG position does not make him a better PG.
        Jodi Jezz is right – start B. Knight and Stuckey!

        • Feb 5, 20132:20 pm
          by G

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          You realize that the PG is not automatically covered by the opposing PG, right? The Thunder put Thabo Sefalosha on Chris Paul earlier this year, by way of example. Anyway, 6’3″ isn’t exactly ridiculously short for the position either. The average height for a SG is 6’5″. Haberstroh did an article in 2011 and found the 10 SG’s with the highest PER averaged a height of 6’3″.

          http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/insider/news/story?id=6690676

        • Feb 5, 20132:24 pm
          by G

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          Anyway, Calderon is 6’6″, so if the opposing SG is 6’7″ or something, Knight can take the PG and Calderon can defend the SG. It’s not exactly rocket science guys.

          • Feb 5, 20132:59 pm
            by sebastian

            Yo, “G”, Calderon is listed as 6’3″.

          • Feb 5, 20133:39 pm
            by G

            Damn, coulda sworn he was 6’6″.

            Anyway, point is 6’3″ isn’t that short for a SG. Knight is 6’3″, has a standing reach of 8′ 2.5″ and a max vert of 37.5″. JJ Redick is 6’4″, has a standing reach of 8’1.5″ and a max vert of 33″. Dwyane Wade is 6’4″, has a standing reach of 8’6″ and a max vert of 35″.

            Yeah, there’s a handful of guys that play the position at 6’6″ or 6’7″, but there’s a majority that play it at 6’5″ or under.

  • Feb 4, 201311:45 pm
    by haydzz

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    Hopefully this off season joe can sign some perimeter defenders this team right now has no intensity on the defensive end.

  • Feb 4, 201311:55 pm
    by Curtis

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    Despite the fact that it was in garbage time at the end of the game, I am encouraged by the one shot that slava made.  It was good to seem him be able to finish at the rim, with defenders, in similar situatiogame hat Drummond couldn’t conve earlier in the game. 

  • Feb 5, 201312:08 am
    by Big Rick

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    Wow. It’s apparent we came out flat and lifeless. Keep in mind we expended a lot of energy last night digging ourselves out of a deep hole just to fall short against the Lakers. Jose played about as well as you could expect in his debut without any team practices. Didn’t look like he had any support from the team though. Not digging the effort tonight, or B.Knight’s body language either. 

  • Feb 5, 201312:16 am
    by Blocks By Dre

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    This was a bad game, but I’m ready to move on from it…on a more positive note, Patrick it’s great to see that you still exist! The titles you always choose for your articles on here were always (and still are) funny. I know you have a lot going on (believe me I’m there with you on that busy part) but hopefully I speak for everyone on here when say I hope you at least provide the titles for these articles if nothing else lol

  • Feb 5, 201312:17 am
    by Mark

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    This is one of those games you just forget and move on. And I think most anticipated it would be that before it even started.

    Even when we are full strength and rested we get beat by 20+ to NY. So to go there with a mish mosh roster with no practice, on the 3rd game in 4 nights, with only 8 min from Drummond, this was expected.

    BKN at home Wednesday, with Drummond back and a full day of practice, that can be a winnable game.
     

  • Feb 5, 201312:32 am
    by sb3

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    We officially have one of the most defensively inept starting units in the NBA. Congratulations, so-called defensive-minded coach Lawrence Frank.

    • Feb 5, 201312:54 am
      by haydzz

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      Coach Frank doesnt make the trades, Joe dumars does that. You cant expect Frank to teach these players defense, its upto joe to supply Frank with that.

      • Feb 5, 20139:00 am
        by tarsier

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        I definitely expect coaches to teach D.

  • Feb 5, 20131:03 am
    by Big Rick

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    I recall the Pistons and BKnight laying an egg in London also. Before any trades. Knicks just have our number, and for some reason the effort was severely lacking for like 80% of our squad. Unacceptable! 

  • Feb 5, 20133:06 am
    by ryan

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    I celebrate every single loss at this point. There’s no way we should be trying to make the playoffs with this roster. Next year we should absolutely expect to make the play offs and hope to win a round but not this year.

    Also people need to get off of Brandon Knight. The young fella is going to be a billionaires Jason Terry at worst so STFU. He’s putting in more work day to day than most internet tough guys do in a life time.

    Also when people adjust to Jose Calderon this team is going to be much more effective offensively.

  • Feb 5, 20133:38 am
    by goldengut

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    personaly i dont like our coach….he has to do a better job of going with the players that are playing well for that game. sticking with your starters for every game is dumb.  theres been too many games where the starters just dont show up monroe is the biggest offender imo.   and why isnt drummond starting he should be on the floor for his rebounding and and blocks….id rather have singler off the bench

  • Feb 5, 20135:16 am
    by vali

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    Was watching the first time the Pistons because of Jose; Knicks are a very tough mismatch but the guys were really, really flat. The line that Jose got is what you should expect from him on a regular basis  ( plus an increased number of assists which will come in time). What struck me watching the game ( and I might be wrong…) was BK body language. He really seemed pissed, or confused or both. In Toronto, they constantly ran a double screen for Derozan and Jose would hit him every time; BK seemed not willing to slash, just waited and waited for something to happened. I truly hope that in time the experiment with him at SG will work but I can guarantee you that it will take time and a lot of willingness from BK to adapt. A couple of perimeter defenders and this team will be really good.  I did not see Monroe a lot but he has good hands for a big and Jerebko has some basketball IQ. I’m sure they will be better once they figured out the 1-2 rotations because the last thing they need ( or Jose needs for that matter) is another PG controversy…lol. I’m curious for Wednesday because Nets are also kinda big and athletic ( as least they dont shoot crazy 3′s) and can create a lot of mismatches. 

  • Feb 5, 20136:27 am
    by vic

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    I think Jerebko will have to be the perimeter defender for the moment. At least he tries

  • Feb 5, 20136:54 am
    by Corey

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    I am at peace with losses, as I want to see one more lottery pick before this team starts to rise next year. 

    some people are riding Moose too hard. I’d like to see him do better, but he still had a double double. Not like it was a BAD game. We all know he needs help against good front lines and guys like Chandler.

    Team was CLEARLY confused playing with Calderon. Early on there was a pick and roll between Calderon and Monroe and Monroe was completely surprised by when the ball suddenly appeared in front of him as he rolled. Result: turnover. that will improve.

    i’m already over the three guard lineup. Stupid to make themselves way too small on the court. We’ve only got 4 guards who even play. They can all get some time, and shorten the minutes of whoever plays poorly that day. We need to play Singler and JJ at the 3- and try Middleton if they don’t work. Or bring Maggette out of storage.  

    Loved Calderon. So controlled on offense. No turnovers! And can get a good shot on his own when he wants to.

  • Feb 5, 20137:50 am
    by sevan

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    Franck is actually a good coach of you compare to the other coaches we had before and lets not blame him for whatever is wrong with pistons its all JOE DUMARS fault he is not making good trades to get a go to guy in the team.

  • Feb 5, 20138:05 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    “”Not a bad debut for Calderon, who shot well and had no turnovers. He also would’ve had a few more assists if guys hit shots he set up for them that were very makable.”"

    Folks how many time do I say that about Brandon Knight? and Tarsier or someone is the first to say that EVERY PG’s story….

    I like the grades, they were fair…

    I just would like to see more movement from the players…..

    Knight and Singler run to opposite corners of the 3 point line….

    Maxiell run a high pick and pop…

    Monroe then will post up on the eldow of the FT line….

    That was our offense last night…

    Theres no imagination….its like Frank and the whole team was waiting for Calderon to turn into Chris Paul, or IsiahThomas…I will give Caleron a pass because the Knicks are a good defensive team, but he never broke down his man once!!!….

    Now back to Frank…we played the Knicks as though we didnt know they want to shoot threes….double -teaming anyone that touched the ball…leaving 3 point shooters wide open…. Defensive assignments was a mess… their was no intesity….

    • Feb 5, 20138:18 am
      by vali

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      I will have to disappoint you but Jose WILL NOT break his man…it’s not his game, dont expect him to do that. Again, he can do other things very well but, you need to play to his strengths and hide his weaknesses. He’s very good if he plays into a system oriented offense ( not too much improvisations) with big men who can roll hard to the rim ( which you guys have) and with athletic, slashing wings ( which I dont know if you have). He has a very high basketball IQ but he’s not Mesiah. I think his major contribution will be outside the court, during practices, in bringing the talent  together, in settling the offense, in increasing the basketball IQ of people around him.

      • Feb 5, 20138:27 am
        by G

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        You know what he does do well? That pull up jumper. When guys weren’t cutting or the lane got closed off, he pulled up at the elbow and knocked down a couple 17 footers. I’ll take that. I don’t need the PG to break his guy down, I need him to create offense. I thought Calderon did a great job of that, considering what he was working with last night.

        • Feb 5, 20138:38 am
          by I HATE FRANK

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          But if you’re a defense…you can live with Calderon shooting jumpers…I’d live with Calderon shooting because he’s not going to beat you with jumpers….

          and you know he’s not going to beat you off the dribble, i’ll take my chances….

          Once again, I dont blame Calderon I blame the sytem..Knight and Singler need to be moving without the ball by design… Monroe needs to be setting the pick and pop…

          Knight at SG should be running off of screens….like other smaller SG do…

          • Feb 5, 201310:36 am
            by G

            They did have exactly 1 day to work on altering the offense… Less than a day, really. It definitely showed. Calderon was ready & fed players for bunnies, except whoever was on the receiving end was rarely ready. You don’t need an athletic wing to run PnR, it actually works better with a big man anyway. Singler & Knight both ran the PnR last night but were unable to finish. Same with Monroe. When Drummond ran it, the defense stayed with Drummond, opening up that elbow jumper.

            An open shot is an open shot. If you’ve got a 50% shooter that can get open, I don’t care how he does it. You know what defenses can live with? That iso Maxiell play they ran in the 1st quarter (twice!).

      • Feb 5, 20138:29 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        “”"He’s very good if he plays into a system oriented offense ( not too much improvisations) with big men who can roll hard to the rim ( which you guys have) and with athletic, slashing wings ( which I dont know if you have). “”"

        Kinda making my point…. We have PG’s that can play the pick and roll offense with the BIGs…but since we dont have athletic SG or SF…you need a PG that can breakdown the or draw the defense to find your SG or SF as shooters….

        It doesnt matter if Calderon comes in and has limited turnovers…if he’s not making plays…like I said its his first game, and I wont judge him by this game….but I think who he is was a little hyped up…

        • Feb 5, 201310:00 am
          by vali

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          I totally agree with you regarding the need to change  the system a bit which should not be very difficult as long as people are willing to learn.  You may get the personal later but at least the ” core” people you have now  would develop an offense that should work.  I dont need my PG to score 20 points every game ( it would be nice) but I need him to have 10-15 assists because that means everybody else is involved in the game ; Just ask Amir and Ed Davis how much their career was boosted by playing with Calderon. Having said that, I come from an older generation so I might be biased…lol

    • Feb 5, 20138:24 am
      by G

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      Except this game was completely awful. On a typical night there are a couple lost assists here and there, no question. But last night? I think everyone else on the court had missed at least 1 shot before Calderon took his second shot. The play-by-play is pretty telling. Missed jumpers, layups, put backs. They must’ve shot the lights out in the 2nd half to get their FG% over 40.

    • Feb 5, 20132:03 pm
      by tarsier

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      And I stand by it. On a night-to-night basis, sometimes you will see games where a guy really got shortchanged on assists by having teammates miss shots. But those even out with nights when guys hit a higher percentage of shots than they could be expected to.

      Give it at least 10 games to get a decent idea of how many assists Calderon can average on this team. 

      • Feb 5, 20133:31 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        I want calderon to do well, I want to make a play-off push….Hell if knight can turn into Monte ellis ..i can accept him at SG…

        But the system has to change…the lack of movement is horrible…..

        Maybe having a more dedicated passer at PG…will allow Frank to let this offense play more free….

        Imma saying until my face turn blue or fingers fall off from typing it… knight would be running the hell out of SG or PG defending him…

        might not say much about the team..be he is our best offensive player… so Frank needs to make sure he is comfortable…if Knight is a bust it sets this franchise back atleast 1-2 years…. if Knight is steady and good…then all we need is a SG/SF ….

        btw: Deshaun Thomas would be great for this offense…whoever get him is gonna get a steal late in the draft

  • Feb 5, 20138:08 am
    by Ryank

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    Jonas did a good job when he was on Melo.  He smothered him every time he tried to make a move…Melo made some shots still, but only when Jonas left him.  I’d start Jonas for 5 games at small forward to see how he responds…and see how Singler responds off the bench.
     
     
     
     

    • Feb 5, 201310:21 am
      by Vic

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      Jonas is the only semblance of a wing defended the Pistons have right now. Any coast with common sense would put Jerebko on the floor whenever they played against the dominant small forward. JJ has been doing this since his rookie year. The injury may have slowed him down a little, but I think he is back to his same level of athleticism. And Jerebko as a defense first player, so he derives his energy from defense. A good coach would understand this about his player and then put him in that situation to succeed. 
      Kyle is a good player but he’s not doing anything with Carmelo LeBron or Durrant. 

  • Feb 5, 20139:47 am
    by Venice

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    Do you think we can trade Stuckey and Maxiell for Derozan? He can take the 2 or 3 .We badly need a 
    scorer and one that can create his own shots. They have plenty of wings at Toronto. Fields,Ross,Gay and Derozan. both Gay and Derozan need the ball in their hands to be effective. Fields or Ross can take Derozan’s position and become a spot up shooter. That way, can shave some salary with Maxiell and Stuckey can back up Lowry at the point. 

    • Feb 5, 20139:54 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      if Joe did that…WOW!… but we’d probably need a 3 team

    • Feb 5, 201310:06 am
      by vali

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      Venice, I am afraid you’ll be disappointed. As much as I hate Colangelo and I think his way overrated, I dont think he’ll do the trade. They DO need a back-up PG but right now they are in love with Gay and DeRozan paying together. Time will tell if this will work in the long run. BTW, DeRozan can not create his shot-he can finish a shot and he got pretty good at it even though he’s still inconsistent.

      • Feb 5, 20134:35 pm
        by Venice

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        Ive read an article where the Raptors considered him as the next Mcgrady so I kinda viewed him with the same skillset that TMAC has.How old is Derozan right now?I think if he is still young, he can still develop his shoot off the dribble skill. 

  • Feb 5, 201310:34 am
    by Vic

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    I’ll say one more thing about this game. Without Drummond they didn’t have a big chance. They were definitely going togreat dominated on the wing. But the guards were scoring at will. Bynum and Calderon were scoring very efficiently, and making transition plays.

    There’s no reason three of the guards couldn’t have scored 20+ points and made the game more competitive. The Knicks have weaknesses too, but it takes a good game plan to exploit it.

    • Feb 5, 20131:48 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      “”The Knicks have weaknesses too, but it takes a good game plan to exploit it.”"

      1)Like Not Starting Maxiell…

      When you know they are going to have Shumpert and Melo in the front court….

      2) Like…playing man to man defense ainf trusting you second line…

      Switch limits wide open 3 point attempts

      3) Like….Spreading th floor early

      Switch plus chandler their only legit defensive big away from the basket making him Defend greg futher away from the basket…

      those 3 things alone, would have given us a fighting chance in this game

      • Feb 5, 20131:51 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        “”The Knicks have weaknesses too, but it takes a good game plan to exploit it.””
        1)Like Not Starting Maxiell…
        When you know they are going to have Shumpert and Melo in the front court….
        2) Like…playing man to man defense and trusting your second line…
        which limits wide open 3 point attempts
        3) Like….Spreading th floor early
        this puts pressure chandler their only legit defensive big to defend away from the basket making him Defend Greg futher out on the floor

        those 3 things alone, would have given us a fighting chance in this game

  • Feb 5, 201312:24 pm
    by Big Rick

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    “It doesn’t matter if Calderon comes in and has limited turnovers, if he’s not making plays.” WTF!
    Sounds like pure hate, for no reason other than everyone’s man crush Knight has been taken out of his comfort zone. That’s Jose’s job, (making plays) that’s what he does and will do for us. He is a far far superior playmaker than anyone we have on our entire roster. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn’t be on this site and should find another sport because obviously they have limited knowledge when it comes to the game of basketball. Just say no! 

    • Feb 5, 20131:40 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      @Big Rick…. “”Sounds like pure hate, for no reason other than everyone’s man crush Knight has been taken out of his comfort zone. That’s Jose’s job, (making plays) that’s what he does and will do for us. He is a far far superior playmaker than anyone we have on our entire roster. Anyone who thinks otherwise probably shouldn’t be on this site and should find another sport because obviously they have limited knowledge when it comes to the game of basketball. Just say no!”"
      I said “”It doesnt matter if Calderon comes in and has limited turnovers…if he’s not making plays…like I said its his first game, and I wont judge him by this game….but I think who he is was a little hyped up…”" (people acting like he is the future PG of this team, or that he has been a consistent All-Star or even near All-star..he’s a solid to good role-player)

      I also said “Once again, I dont blame Calderon I blame the sytem..Knight and Singler need to be moving without the ball by design… Monroe needs to be setting the pick and pop…”" (Clearly, I believe Calderon is a excellent decision maker with the ball, but it doesnt mean this team fits him right now as is)

      If you think Calderon who did NOT make the Raptors team a legit play-off contending team, and you can argue that their talent is equal or better than our talent… then I question your basketball knowledge…

      Our system needs to change for Calderon or ANY PG to be effective in this system…

      • Feb 5, 20138:09 pm
        by Big Rick

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        @ I HATE FRANK. Yeah, I guess that was pretty inflammatory earlier. My bad, no disrespect intended but I did call into question your basketball because it seems like you and others have blind loyalty to BK7. 
        I don’t view anyone on our roster as untouchable but maybe Drummond, but I  do like our young pieces. With that being said I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger if the price is right and it improves our team.
        For the record I never said Calderon would make us an automatic playoff team. Games like last night are a reminder of where we’re at as a team. So I don’t have unrealistic expectations of us making the playoffs this year with or without Calderon. Is it possible yes. Probability…unlikely.
        I never said Knight was a bum, and believe it or not I’m a fan of his also. With that being said I’m critical of his play as well as the whole team. I guess Knight is the flavor of the month but I also critiqued Moose’s inconsistent play and non-presence on the defensive end of the court. It is what it is, he most likely won’t ever be a floor general, but he still has skill that is valuable to the team.
        Same as Knight, I don’t see him as “point guard of the future”, but he does has skill and he has value. He just doesn’t run the offense well enough to maximize the value of PG on our team.
        We have one of the best play makers in the league now in Calderon on our squad. So why not experiment with BK7 off the ball more. Maybe he can become more of a facilitator/distributor later on but we both we both know that is not his strong suit as of now. 
        I hope he does become a scoring guard/point guard/combo guard/shooting guard etc. and is able to play his game and he becomes a multiple threat piece in our back court for years to come.

        • Feb 6, 20138:41 am
          by I HATE FRANK

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          @ Big Rick. “”Yeah, I guess that was pretty inflammatory earlier. My bad, no disrespect intended but I did call into question your basketball because it seems like you and others have blind loyalty to BK7. ”"

          1. its not blind loyalty to Knight, but we here in Detroit have too often given up on Young Good talent, all because they did produce the way we wanted as soon as we wanted. To mt Knight has become the underdor, and I do root for the underdog, and beyond that I will stick to my guns. He is a SCORING PG, with passing ability. If we wanted a PASS FIRST PG in that draft, it did not exist so you knew what you were getting…So blame management and coaching

          “”I don’t view anyone on our roster as untouchable but maybe Drummond, but I  do like our young pieces. With that being said I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the trigger if the price is right and it improves our team.”"

          2. I’ve been saying TRADE KNIGHT for the last week, not because I question his talent and ability but because this system is not built for a player like Like who needs the ball in his hand with a attacking system. Spotting knight up in the corner? some possession he doesnt even touch the ball? not allowing to defensively press his man?…its a waste of his skill-set

          “”For the record I never said Calderon would make us an automatic playoff team. Games like last night are a reminder of where we’re at as a team. So I don’t have unrealistic expectations of us making the playoffs this year with or without Calderon. Is it possible yes. Probability…unlikely.”"

          3. I agree, I want us in but it wont be because of Calderon alone, Knight will have to turn into a legit 18-20ppg scorer,Monroe get more consistent, and Drummond has to be around 30 mins a game

          “”I never said Knight was a bum, and believe it or not I’m a fan of his also. With that being said I’m critical of his play as well as the whole team. I guess Knight is the flavor of the month but I also critiqued Moose’s inconsistent play and non-presence on the defensive end of the court. It is what it is, he most likely won’t ever be a floor general, but he still has skill that is valuable to the team.”"

          4. True floor Generals are rare…but can Knight lead a team YES… I just think Frank has not handled him well, and once again he was given Knight, Knight might not be the guy he wanted or liked from the start. In the NFL new coaches come to a team, and they are arent given a QB and they have to make it work, but they’d rather another type of QB…

          “”Same as Knight, I don’t see him as “point guard of the future”, but he does has skill and he has value. He just doesn’t run the offense well enough to maximize the value of PG on our team.”"

          5. Knight should be averaging 16-17ppg and 6-7 assist, earlier this year Knight scoring was up, when were playing more up tempo basketball running and pushing Novermber early december Knight was averaging 19-20ppg …shooting a solid percent, around 5 ast…. (tarsier hates that stat)….

          “”We have one of the best play makers in the league now in Calderon on our squad. So why not experiment with BK7 off the ball more. Maybe he can become more of a facilitator/distributor later on but we both we both know that is not his strong suit as of now. 
          I hope he does become a scoring guard/point guard/combo guard/shooting guard etc. and is able to play his game and he becomes a multiple threat piece in our back court for years to come.”"

          6. im cool with Knight off the ball, like Monte ellis off the ball…Or Rip Hamilton or Ray Allen off the ball…. but you can not just spot him up in the corner, when he has the highest offensive skill set on the team

          We dont disagree on alot just see things slightly different

          • Feb 6, 20139:07 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            4. True floor Generals are rare…but can Knight lead a team YES… I just think Frank has not handled him well, and once again he was given Knight, Knight might not be the guy he wanted or liked from the start. In the NFL new coaches come to a team, and they are given a QB they have to make it work, but they’d rather another type of QB

  • Feb 5, 20131:14 pm
    by Zach

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    Why worry about Knight at SG when we could be playing Calderon there? This lineup should consist of Knight at PG Calderon at SG Stuckey at SF Drummond at PF (when he’s not hurt) and Monroe at C. Go scorers first then switch in singler throughout the game. This rotation flat out sucks with singler starting SF. I can’t stand this

    • Feb 5, 20132:14 pm
      by bball4224

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      That rotation would be even worse than the current one.

      • Feb 13, 201310:04 am
        by Zach

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        Not if you run it right…. Fed up with Singler right now. 

    • Feb 5, 20132:26 pm
      by G

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      Calderon is a PG, not a SG. Knight is a SG, not a PG. That would be stupid. Anyway, I’m pretty sure they DID go with that lineup last night, and predictably the Knicks ate it for breakfast.

  • Feb 5, 20132:44 pm
    by Arthur

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    today i met one of slava kravtsov former coaches in Donetsk, Ukraine. he was absolutely happy about slava’s practice with pistons, and even garbage time in nba regular is priceless experience for kravtsov. he said that its good for slava to train with nba team. ima pistons fan and iI hope this young player will develop with the pistons, not with another nba team.  just a little more trust and he wil contribute.

  • Feb 5, 20134:59 pm
    by Brian

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    Drummond was horrible on defense last night, and it did not appear to have anything to do with an injury. I think no one told him that Amare is right-handed, because he appeared surprised whenever Stoudamire went to his right (which was every time, I think!). The defensive game “plan” of leaving three point shooters open on such a great outside shooting team was clearly a coaching failure. Lawrence Frank must be an exceptional practice coach to keep his job, because he is a terrible game coach. He continuously fails to make in-game adjustments long after it is apparent that his strategies are not working. It may not have meant a win, but Detroit would have fared much better had they taken away the three point shot.

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