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Pistons once-potent bench non-existent in loss to Brooklyn

Note: Andre Drummond re-injured his back and only played four minutes tonight. This is of course extremely unfortunate and something that likely has every fan hoping that it’s nothing serious and heals quickly. It’s also why I left him out of grades tonight. Since these grades are meant to solely evaluate impact on the game, there’s no way Drummond had any positive impact out there. But in the interest of not blaming him for being injured, I’d rather just leave him out than give him a poor grade and hear a handful of ‘OMG you’re so mean to Drummond!’ comments. Sound fair?

Brooklyn Nets 93 Final

Recap | Box Score

90 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 20 MIN | 3-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 9 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | +6Maxiell’s productivity ont he glass and on the boards was OK for 20 minutes. But with Drummond injured, on a night the Pistons actually needed extended minutes from Maxiell, he got into foul trouble.
Greg Monroe, C 35 MIN | 10-16 FG | 3-6 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 23 PTS | +4Monroe would’ve been an A, but a familiar problem hit him again. With a chance to tie the game at the free throw line with less than a minute left, Monroe hit just 1-for-2. After great improvement at the line last year (jumping nearly 10 percent from his rookie season), Monroe has regressed there this season.
Jose Calderon, PG 31 MIN | 3-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 9 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 8 PTS | -7Calderon looked even more comfortable tonight and did the two things the Pistons knew he would — ran the offense and made 3-pointers (2-for-3).
Brandon Knight, PG 26 MIN | 4-10 FG | 4-6 FT | 2 REB | 4 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 12 PTS | -3Knight was decent defensively and had four assists. He’s struggling from 3-point range right now. He went 0-for-3 tonight and he’s 1-for-12 in his last three games.
Kyle Singler, SG 34 MIN | 5-7 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | +2Singler shot the ball well and chipped in with rebounding and passing. I don’t know if switching from shooting guard to small forward makes that big a difference for him, but he’s certainly played better of late.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 16 MIN | 1-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -2On a night when even a little bit of bench scoring would’ve possibly won this game, Villanueva wasn’t up to the task.
Jonas Jerebko, PF 19 MIN | 2-7 FG | 2-2 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | 0Jerebko started slow, but gave solid minutes in the second half. He struggled shooting the ball but made a big shot with a minute left to cut Brooklyn’s lead to one.
Viacheslav Kravtsov, C 11 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 4 PTS | -11There are no positives about Drummond’s injury, but it did give Kravtsov a chance at some extended playing time tonight. He picked up three fouls in 11 minutes, but most teams stash a bruising big man with those attributes at the end of their bench.
Will Bynum, PG 20 MIN | 4-9 FG | 5-5 FT | 4 REB | 7 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 13 PTS | +4Bynum’s strong play continues. His offense and ability to get in the lane once again sparked the Pistons tonight and gave them a chance to win.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 23 MIN | 2-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | -7Like Villanueva, any offense at all from Stuckey tonight probably results in the Pistons winning this game.
Lawrence FrankWeirdly, Frank’s cautious approach with Drummond is actually a good thing now. By all accounts, his back injury is not serious, but the Pistons are also going nowhere this season. If there’s any doubt whatsoever — and in Drummond’s four minutes tonight, there is clearly doubt — about his health, by all means sit him until he’s fully healed. As for the rest of the game, the Pistons played well for three quarters and ran out of steam late. The defense, particularly on Brooklyn’s guards, was solid. The Pistons just had too many guys who didn’t make shots tonight.

64 Comments

  • Feb 6, 201311:25 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I’d like to see Drummond drop some weight…. He jumps and Leaps around way too much at close or over 300lbs ….

    Bynum stock is soaring, trade him Now! … Thank you for all u have done Will… But its time to move you…and trading Bynum to a contender can earn him one last big pay day

    • Feb 7, 20139:08 am
      by G

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      FYI Drummond is 270. For reference, Metta World Peace is roughly 6’7″, 260. Dwight Howard is 265. Roy Hibbert is 280. I’m cool with Drummond as long as he’s in shape & under 300 lbs.

      • Feb 7, 20139:16 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        none of them jump around like Dre

        • Feb 8, 20138:27 am
          by G

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          Howard does, and Artest used to (he’s old now).

    • Feb 7, 20139:12 am
      by Crispus

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      Haha we don’t want him to turn into a stick man like (The) Larry Sanders (Show). 

    • Feb 7, 201312:31 pm
      by T Casey

      Reply

      I don’t think Drummond needs to drop weight, I think he just needs to get leaner. He’s not unreasonably big for his height so I think he’d benefit a ton from just cutting the fat he has now and building replacing that weight with muscle. That way he could end up not only being more durable, but a bit quicker and stronger.

      • Feb 7, 20134:23 pm
        by G

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        Which could be said about almost every rookie ever. Not worried.

  • Feb 6, 201311:27 pm
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Dumars and Frank, what are you doing to my team???
     

    • Feb 7, 201312:34 pm
      by T Casey

      Reply

      lol I feel your pain. At times this year I’ve liked the way the team was coming together and the development of the guys out there. But now, I feel like we’re taking steps backward again.

  • Feb 6, 201311:36 pm
    by domnick

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    i hate dumars now… he cant even put a trade after calderon…
    is this your best shot? we need more… and this team clearly needs more! why don’t you trade stuckey, bynum or even Max now?! why wait for next season! we want to make a run at number 8 seed but we keep on losing games!

    • Feb 6, 201311:46 pm
      by tarsier

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      The 8 seed is a pipe dream. And trading any of those guys will only hurt the odds of getting it, not help them. That’s not a reason to avoid trading them. By all means, I hope Joe pulls the trigger if he can get anything for them.

      But domnick, give up on the playoffs. They’re not happening this season. 

      • Feb 7, 20139:05 pm
        by James Jones

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        Yep, we needed to be 5 or 6 games under .500 at this point to have a real chance to make a run for that 8th seed.
         
        At this point without a 10+ game win streak there is little chance of making the playoffs.  We would need to go 23-9 to even have an outside chance and 26-6 to over take Boston assuming they go .500 the rest of the way.
         
        At this point I would rather tank and get a better draft pick.

    • Feb 7, 201312:12 am
      by Jacob

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      He has 2 weeks until the deadline and bynums stock keeps rising. Don’t rush into a junk trade there will be plenty of oppurtunities in the coming days. Also i just want to see our players like monroe drummond and knight play well. We are better off losing (better pick).

  • Feb 6, 201311:51 pm
    by Brigs

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    I know there’s a lot of fans that want to see us make the playoffs as a an 8th seed and yes it would be great but I think in the long run it will be better if we don’t. By that I mean we will keep our draft pick which we either can use or trade. I hate watching the pistons lose but ill take a championship run in a year or 2 over getting swept by Miami in the first round. Also would like too add that my faith in dumars has been restored but I would bet that he doesn’t make any more moves until the summer. 

    • Feb 7, 20139:07 pm
      by James Jones

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      Unless this team turns into Miami I don’t see us going 23-9 the rest of the way to get back to .500.
       
      Are playoff chances are next to zero at this point.

  • Feb 7, 201312:01 am
    by domnick

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    well playoffs is realistic goal this season… or else… we’re not making progress… im not saying that we need to outplay miami in the postseason.. but the point it… with so many winable games… we just wasted lots of them… now, we pulled a trade… getting a point guard… but we still have inconsistent players… we need to clean that now! before the deadline and if we are not making playoffs then fine, but at least we tried to clean the mess!

    • Feb 7, 20137:19 am
      by ShimmeringWang

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      Nothing you say makes any sense and also: I hate you. 

      “Inconsistent players?” No, we have BAD players. (Or, more accurately, a dearth of good players.)

      And of course we’re not making the playoffs this season. Because our team is bad. But it’s both (a) better now than it was a week ago and (b) better situated for the long run than it was a week ago. 

      And, also: I hate you. 

    • Feb 7, 20139:36 am
      by tarsier

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      Playoffs may have been a realistic goal at the beginning of the season. Even on that count, I’m unconvinced. But it may have been. Now, it is absurdly unrealistic.

      Every team wastes lots of winnable games. Ever time a team pulls off a miraculous victory, that is another team wasting an incredibly winnable game.

  • Feb 7, 201312:23 am
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    Don’t be fooled by Will B game. He’s not making the players around him better. We need to play team game as opposed to street ball style of Will the thrill

    • Feb 7, 20135:34 am
      by duke

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      Another I hate Will Bynum post.

    • Feb 7, 20138:37 am
      by G

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      Yes, let us get back to the fundamental basketball of the chest pass, the set shot, and the ever graceful running hook shot. This “dribbling behind the back” and “throwing alley-oop passes” is preposterous! Who ever heard of such tomfoolery?

      • Feb 7, 201310:28 am
        by hoophabit

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        LOL, indeed!
         
        Will is an asset, and as a “change of pace” specialist on a good team could be a big help.  Now is about the time for a youth movement, and if the Pistons can get a good young prospect for Will it might be the best thing for both. 

  • Feb 7, 201312:31 am
    by dMaz

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    Hopefully knight can improve over the offseason. He’s a dedicated worker with lots of talent and is very smart, I see lots of potential in him. But him putting his head down after every missed shot is killing his chance of making his next one.

  • Feb 7, 201312:42 am
    by TheDoctor

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    Why do people on here freak out so fast on here about this team? We have to realize that we won’t have a solidified team until we get through the draft and offseason. We just had our second major move happen this past week. our best defensive player has been hurt the past two games.
    please save your “oh my god dumars is terrible” till this time next year when our roster is set. Feel free to be angry if we are not the eight seed by all star weekend 2014, but my god, give it some time!

  • Feb 7, 20131:18 am
    by Big Rick

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    Enough said. 

  • Feb 7, 20131:31 am
    by Reaction

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    We need at least two more solid draft picks to address our gaping holes (PG/SG depending on whatever Knight becomes and small forward). This year’s draft though may seem like it has nothing to offer actually has some talent. Next years draft is loaded so I hope the Pistons think this out well.

  • Feb 7, 20131:55 am
    by Big Rick

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    I agree that maybe Awesome DRE should shed a few pounds, nothing wreaks havoc on the knees like excess weight especially compounded with running and jumping. Could also contribute to back problems.

    • Feb 7, 20138:40 am
      by G

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      You guys think he’s too heavy? He weighs the same as Artest! If anything, he should add some muscle.

  • Feb 7, 20132:15 am
    by piston moribund

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    Bullwinkle, A-, huh?  Missing free throws, air balls, turnovers, not guarding Lopez on the final shot.  WTF….After you miss your free throw to tie the game, you had better man up and play some D.  No wonder they went after him.  If you cant get stops, you cant win.  Bullwinkle cant get stops and Max just looks confused out there.  People running into each other on the pick and roll defense.  No defensive rotation.  Geez, when is Frank’s contract coming up b/c he dosen’t have a clue about defense.  Someone should hire Ben as a consultant and ask him how to play defense. Goooooo Etroit.  Someone give Maurice Cheeks a call.  No one is winning anything if someone doesn’t bring the D back.

    • Feb 7, 201312:37 pm
      by T Casey

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      I saw Moose guarding Lopez pretty tough on that last play. He stayed with him, bodied him up pretty well, and did everything he could one stop short of fouling Brook on the shot to contest it. He just got scored on by a good scorer. 

  • Feb 7, 20132:58 am
    by domnick

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    a trade will do… just have to take the needed guy from the other team.. we have better guys for salary dumps.. i mean we have trade chips… why not use it?

  • Feb 7, 20133:23 am
    by Mr Woods

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    Why not move Stuckey & Bynum to OKC for Lamb & PJ3? 

    • Feb 7, 20137:46 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      that trade would not work capwise….

      Will Bynum and a 2nd round for Lamb or PJ and Maynor works capwise

      I dont see why any team would want Stuckey and his 8.5 million dollars..unless it was a 3 way deal just to make a trade work

    • Feb 7, 20139:41 am
      by tarsier

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      As FRANK pointed out, the trade is impossible for cap reasons. But it is also unrealistic because if OKC was interested in moving nice prospects like those two, they could bring back more talent than Stuck and Bynum.

  • Feb 7, 20136:25 am
    by DasMark

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    If the Pistons could win these close games, their record would place them safely within the playoff brackets. 

    I suppose it’s a symptom of being a “young team”. Learning how to win games is skill learned, and not always innate in an NBA setting for most.

    Hopefully next season, the team will have matured enough and learned enough from it’s mistakes to have them winning these close games. Adding some veteran leadership would certainly be helpful here. Billups is an insane long shot to come back here to close out his playing days, but it would be amazing if Dumars could pull it off. Not for his on-court impact, but locker room leadership. 

    • Feb 7, 20137:11 am
      by ShimmeringWang

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      Veteran leadership? Really? That’s what this team needs? Age 37 Chauncey Billups?  

      God dammit I hate you all so much.

      This team needs young talent. We need to stockpile young talent. Monroe and Drummond look like potential starters on a playoff team. Knight appears to be a rotation player. The Pistons need a wing — Kyle Singler, much as we all like him, is a solid bench player on a playoff team, I guess — or a scoring guard. This team needs a volume scorer. 

      I love the quality of the writing here, but the comments…. God dammit, just the worst 

      • Feb 7, 201311:09 am
        by bvpiston

        Reply

        Dude, wow!
        We still need young talent? Really? Stockpile young talent? For how many more seasons? Two, three? What are we, the Bulls of the 2000′s, the Celtics of the 90′s? The Warriors? No, thanks! We don’t need to suck for 6+ years like they did. This season needs to be the last we miss the playoffs for some time. We don’t need any more “young talent.” We also don’t need a 37 year old Billups, I agree. Well, at least not to play a major role.
        We’re set up front with Dre and Moose. What are they? Young talent. If Knight figures it out, we’ll have a decent PG/SG. Hmmm…he’s also a young talent. That’s three young players in the starting line-up. If we keep Jose, we’ll have a floor general and a veteran who can play, good. We need a 3, because Singler so far has show he’s a rotation player(what do know? he’s a young talent as well!). But not in the form of a rookie, he won’t get us anywhere.
        The time to get better is now or in the off-season. We have cap room to sign free agents or facilitate trades to bring back a player or players we need. These players need to have an immediate impact.
        Oh, and don’t forget the likely draft pick from this season, another young talent. I think we’re young enough. Unless you want our average age to be that of a college team.
        Conclusion: We already have the young talent, now we need some vets(and when I say vets, I don’t mean 33 year olds Tayshaun type players though) who can either complement the young pups and help them shine or lead them and help them grow.

      • Feb 7, 20139:15 pm
        by James Jones

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        Other then the anomaly that is OKC, 99.9999% of all young talent teams don’t win in any meaningful way.
         
        Look at the history of LAC, they had the best young players for years and were awful, we are awful, SAC who may have better young talent is awful, Cle awful, etc…
         
        You need a mix of youth and experience to win in the NBA.

    • Feb 7, 20139:43 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Right, because people get to the NBA without ever having learned “how to win games”. This is pandering, forcing a narrative, garbage.

      • Feb 7, 201310:39 am
        by G

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        Veteran presence takes some of the pressure off the young guys. They lost some veteran leadership when Tayshaun was traded, now they have Calderon (new guy) and Maggette (expiring contract). Don’t play it off like it doesn’t matter.

        Now that said, picking up Chauncey in a playing capacity would be stupid. I’d take Chauncey when he wants to coach, but we don’t need Chauncey the player right now. Ben Wallace, on the other hand…

    • Feb 7, 201312:25 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

      Reply

      Maybe we can trade for Prince.

    • Feb 7, 20139:12 pm
      by James Jones

      Reply

      Guys I’m only going to say this one more time nicely.  We are NOT going to go 23-9 the rest of the way.
       
      Forget about the playoffs, there is no chance.

  • Feb 7, 20138:10 am
    by vali

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    Was watching both Pistons and Raps games same time  and it’s amazing how similar both these 2 teams look. Both cases, you deal with a flawed roster which is missing pieces and have borderline talent. In your guys case, you definitely need  a star 3 ( a la Rudy Gay) and also to sort out PG/SG options. I was impressed with the interior defense ( unlike Raps) but man oh man, what happened to CV? His basketball IQ just dropped in recent years; Last night was a winnable game and 4-5 times the choice of shots made me cringe ( and that was the actual difference). Looking forward to see Drummond playing and hopefully the players and the coaches will start to trust more Jose for the right decisions. 
    One last note- please someone tell Stuckey that the clock has 24 sec, and not 10..no need to chuck specially if the shots are not falling 

  • Feb 7, 201310:18 am
    by vic

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    without Drummond there’s no need to complain… hard to win without your best player.

    Just solved your biggest problem, adding a real point guard.

    Perfect time to rest your superstars sore back, keep that draft pick, avoid the playoffs.

    Trade Willy Bynum to OKC for PJ3 OR an extra draft pick, and you’re all set. 

    • Feb 7, 201310:41 am
      by Keith

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      I still don’t see why OKC wants Bynum. He’s not a passer nor defender. They want a guy that ISN’T going to just be a poor version of what they already. OKC is looking for a backup PG, but Bynum is not their target. I’d much rather try sending Bynum to Boston, a team actually in need of a scoring guard. They also have a better pick and some young guys they might actually part with.

  • Feb 7, 201310:40 am
    by danny

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    Bring Big Ben back as an assistant coach and have him school dre one the defensive side.  Hell bring back sheed and have him teach him a few post moves and we are golden baby.  We do need some vets on the team.  This helps the youngsters that have all the talent but don’t know when to turn it on or when to get someone else going.  That is the hardest part about playing the point and since this team is up and down I know knight will be the same.  He doesnt know how to get players going or when to take over.  GIVE HIM TIME damn 2 games and you guys are already crying.  More trades will come we got time why rush it?  We are not going anywhere.

  • Feb 7, 201310:52 am
    by tommy t

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    Sort of makes me wonder why Will hasn’t been our starting FG all season…

    • Feb 7, 201310:53 am
      by tommy t

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      Dammit, the F and the P look so much alike

  • Feb 7, 201311:47 am
    by Some random guy

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    Trade Monroe for cousins …there I said it 

    • Feb 7, 201312:37 pm
      by Slap Dog Hoops

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      Why would you want an underachieving, underperforming player with a bad attitude in Cousins?  

    • Feb 7, 201312:38 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

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      Why?

    • Feb 7, 201312:39 pm
      by T Casey

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      Monroe’s got almost the same potential as Cousins imo with less risk in the locker room.

    • Feb 7, 20133:22 pm
      by Keith

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      The ONLY thing that Cousins has on Monroe right now is rebounding. Cousins is a bad scorer, bad defender, and equal passer. Just because Cousins is a little more athletic doesn’t make him a better player.

    • Feb 7, 20133:49 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

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      Yeah, let’s trade Drummond for Ron Artest too.

  • Feb 7, 201312:36 pm
    by Slap Dog Hoops

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    Well, you can look on the bright side:  at least the Piston will finally be rid of Milli-Vanillanueva as he contract end at the end of the season.  Dumars can use that extra cap space to sign Calderon for a three year extension to serve as a mentor to Brandon Knight.     

    • Feb 7, 201312:39 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

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      His contract isn’t up, they would have to amnesty him.  Which I hope they do.

  • Feb 7, 201312:43 pm
    by MIKEYDE248

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    The one thing I was hoping that this trade would do is get some of the younger players into the rotation.  I am glad that it has.  In the last few games JJ has been play, including closing out the game last night.  We have also seen Middleton and Slava lately too.

    Another bonus has been Max & VC’s minutes have been going down lately too.

    • Feb 7, 20131:42 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

      Reply

      CV not VC.  Oops.

  • Feb 7, 20131:48 pm
    by George

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    It was mentioned on another site, but if we were to trade Bynum to OKC, would you take the remainder of Kendrick Perkins contract?  Perkins seems to like to bang in the paint. He can also bring something to the locker room.  It would have to be like Bynum/Villinueva in a package for Perkins/filler, but I think OKC may be open to it.

    • Feb 7, 20131:53 pm
      by vic

      Reply

      sure, if it ends this year

  • Feb 7, 20132:37 pm
    by piston moribund

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    No need to amnesty CV at the end of the year since we are already significantly under the cap.  He has another year which means that as a commodity, he is quite valuable next year for tax teams.  Having all that money would just mean that there is more of a chance that Joe will muck up the team again.  The best option would be to wait for the 2014 free agent crop.
    Besides, we will need another PF since Max will be gone and CV and Bullwinkle will be the only legit PF on our roster which is fine.  The team can choose to cut Stuckey and take the 4mil hit and have a three guard rotation with Kim, Jose(if he stays), and BK.  Another PG or SG would be nice.  The SF position is OK with Kyle, JJ, and Middleton.  Center is set with Slava and Dre.
    It would be nice to pick up Allen from the Griz if only as a stop gap and a good defensive player off the bench to complement all the offense that the team has.  He is old but still serviceable but might not want to sign.  D should be a big concern since it seemed obvious that without Dre in the middle, the bad perimeter defense becomes exposed.  
    Hopefully the draft will turn up something good.  Otherwise, the wisest thing to do is to sit tight and be patient. 
    Lastly, fire Frank before he becomes the lame duck coach.  No idea on who to replace him.  Any suggestions?

  • Feb 7, 20133:27 pm
    by Scott Free

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    Why is Stuckey playing Small Forward?  I thought we had a glut of them on our team.  Christ, can’t they just swing Maxiel to the position, he’s the right height for it.

    • Feb 7, 20134:25 pm
      by G

      Reply

      We HAD a glut of them, but we shipped Prince & Daye out and it turns out the rest suck (noth that Stuckey is any prize, but…). Whoops.

  • Feb 8, 20136:47 am
    by Derek

    Reply

    Jonas complained and sulked about being out of the rotation.  Now, re-inserted into the rotation he gives us nothing.  He doesn’t add energy, offense, or defense.  We aren’t getting positive minutes from him.  Package him.

    Rodney has been a tease in the past.  He’d always give glimpses of turning the corner.  This year is different because he has been garbage.  After a summer where he put in the MOST work on his game and his body, he comes back with garbage.  Package him.

    Charlie has been up and down.  Still he’s been more up and the other two guys.  The book has clearly been written on him.  Package him.

    Will Bynum has been the best of the guards.  He’s a spark plug with great chemistry with Dre.  He has scored and assisted and essentially led the second unit with excellence.  He is probably the only guy with value among the above listed guys.  He would have to be the main cog in a trade to rid us of the other players.

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