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Pistons likely done before trade deadline

Vince Ellis of the Detroit Free Press:

two sources said this past week that the Pistons likely are done with major moves until the summer.

One source even said: "You have already had the main course. You aren’t getting seconds."

The main course obviously was the Prince-Calderon deal.

But the source added: "You might get dessert."

If the Pistons don’t make any more moves, this season – at least in terms of trades – will still have been a huge success. I’d still like to see another trade or two if it’s possible to dump Charlie Villanueva without giving up an asset to do so or acquire some return for Jason Maxiell and/or Will Bynum if it doesn’t compromise this summer’s flexibility.

I also wouldn’t mind one more minor move.

31 Comments

  • Feb 18, 201310:30 am
    by jljbird

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    Jerebko for Klieza. Apparently Toronto wants to move him and we need a SF. Jerebko has been flat or nonexistent this season. If we do this deal we also lose one year of his salary ($4.5 miillion). Jerebko is $4.5 this season, $4.5 next, and has a player option of $4.5 for 2014-2015. Klieza is $4.6 million this year and holds a player option for $4.6 for 2013-2014. It helps us. Besides, Toronto could use a PF if they move Bargnani.  Heck, add Stuckey and Kravtsov and pick up Bargnani too. Really Bargnani and Klieza for Stuckey, Jerebko, & Kravtsov? Not bad really.

    Or, just playing around, how about Stuckey and Villenueva for Klieza and Bargnani and a conditional 1st rounder we can use with Charlotte? 

    • Feb 18, 201310:56 am
      by Keith

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      Bargnani is CV 2.0. The last thing we need is another “stretch 4″ that doesn’t defend, rebound, or even shoot that well consistently. Worse, Bargnani makes MORE than CV. No way we have the coaching, personnel, or money to take on that guy.
       

      • Feb 18, 201311:55 am
        by jljbird

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        It’s not just about taking on Bargnani, it’s about moving Villenueva AND Stuckey.   Bargnani is more of a 5/4 while Villenueva is just a 4.    Bargnani was on FIRE in November.

        Bargnani 30.8 minutes yileding 14.8 points, 3.9 rebounds, 1.3 assists, .64 steals,.64 blocks, .7 assists/turnovers. 7′ 0″ 256 pounds.

        Villenueva 16.9 minutes yielding 7.8 points, 3.7 rebounds, .8 assists, .5 steels, .57 blocks, 1.2 assists/turnovers. 6′ 11″ 232 pounds.

        This also clears up any Stuckey confussion.  We need a SF and a C more than we need a SG and a PF.  

        Or, just stick with Jerebko for Klieza.  Now you can;t have any issues with that trade.

         

        • Feb 18, 20131:35 pm
          by Huddy

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          The numbers you posted show that per minute Villanueva and Bargnani produce at almost the exact same numbers across the board except that Villanueva (even though he is less of a 5 apparently) would almost double Bargnani in rebouding since they average about the same with CV getting half the minutes.  Complete lateral movement taking on more money.
           

          • Feb 18, 20132:38 pm
            by jljbird

            We are also losing Stuckey which has value AND we fill 2 weaknesses by clearing up some linger issues.  CV and Stuckey have no future here.  Klieza may have a future and Bargnani might just be a stop gap with Drummond’s back.

          • Feb 18, 20133:01 pm
            by Keith

            You must have some weird rose tinted glasses for Bargnani, because the guy has been a train wreck this year. All those scoring numbers are meaningless because he was shooting 40% from the floor and 30% from three this year. His offense has been bad this year, and that’s on top of the fact that he sucks at EVERYTHING ELSE in his career. Taking on Bargnani is taking on an albatross. The end. There is a reason the only trade rumors mentioned are Bargnani for the hilariously overpaid Carlos Boozer.
             

          • Feb 18, 20133:39 pm
            by Huddy

            With Derozan and Terrence Ross the Raptors have no use for Stuckey.  Klieza is useless as well.  Klieza has never been very good and his ceiling is pretty well set.  He is no better than Jerebko and with how much space we have already and considering the only advantage is a year shorter contract (not this year either) not to mention why would the raptors want a similar player with a longer contract in return?  They only need another PF if they trade Bargnani and if they trade Bargnani the only position they need to fill really is PF so it would make more sense that he would be moved for a PF like the Boozer rumor.  We do not need a stop gap for Drummond.  This is a great opportunity for Slava to get some PT where he usually wouldn’t have and it is not as if we need to fill some gap to keep playoff hopes alive.  CV’s current contract to production level may be the least attractive trade piece on our roster.  He is playing relatively well in his new role off the bench and will come at a much more reasonable price when his contract is up so as much as people have an established rage for him you may as well accept that no one wants to pay him what hes getting anymore than we do and at least he is starting to gel with our roster.

  • Feb 18, 201310:31 am
    by vic

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    that article also said that Stuckey and Jerebko are who teams ask about most. 

    I’d love see them to trade Stuckey for a 1st round draft pick.

    Pros:
    - gets them an extra undervalued pick (Trey Burke/Tony Mitchell whichever one falls)
    - lets Calderon know they’re serious about keeping him even if they draft a pg to back him up.

    Cons
    - Stuckey is the only guard that’s okay at defense. 

    • Feb 18, 201310:40 am
      by DrumRoe Please

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      Do you not watch Brandon Knight? He’s our best perimeter defender by far.

      • Feb 18, 201310:59 am
        by Jens

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        As it has been displayed in the “rising stars challenge” of the All Star weekend. LOL One of the most laughable tries to justify Knight hangin around with the Pistons long term by making a point of his D.

        • Feb 18, 201311:08 am
          by DrumRoe Please

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          You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about. He slipped. He wasn’t crossed as bad as people claim he was. And one bad play in an All-Star game does not make you a bad defender. Watch some actual games where he shuts down guys like Deron Williams, Kyrie Irving, etc. and maybe you’ll have a better idea of how good a defender he is.

        • Feb 18, 201311:12 am
          by DrumRoe Please

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          Also, Knight’s a very good player. He gets a lot of flack from a lot of people (me as well). However he’s a very good shooter, lockdown defender, and has the potential to get better at the point guard aspect of the game. Just give him more time. He’s in his first full year in the NBA, and this is his only year with a full training camp.

          Has he been underwhelming? Absolutely, but that doesn’t mean there’s no hope for him. And just look at Afflalo. He came into the league has someone who was basically just a defender and look at him now. He’s a great player. Stop hating on Knight just because you’re holding him to high expectations. Give him time to try and figure it out before you hate on him.

          • Feb 18, 20133:05 pm
            by Keith

            Just to clarify, Knight is NOT a lockdown defender. He’s better than the alternatives, a good defender, but not exactly Tony Allen. Also, his shooting isn’t that good either. He’s currently back to league average on 3s for the year.  His shot doesn’t have much arc, and he’s very inconsistent game to game. Knight, as he currently is, is a below average player who should be on the bench. He has the POTENTIAL to improve, but let’s not make him out to be something he’s not right now.

      • Feb 18, 201311:06 am
        by vic

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        he will be soon… he just needs another few pounds of muscle. 
        He has the hustle and the mind for it. 

    • Feb 18, 201310:44 am
      by Huddy

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      Totally agree, we need to upgrade the SG position in the off season and that most likely moves BK to more of a 6th man role between pg and sg were he can develop at the slower rate everyone thinks he needs.  If this happens all of the sudden Stuckey is a 3rd option at SG and potentially 4th at PG depending on Bynum’s status and who we draft.  His contract is way to high to pay for that role and his being “okay” at defense is true, but we can definitely find that at a much lower cost.  Jerebko is a lower priority.  His cost is lower and we have all kinds of space as well as all kinds of other options to make more space.  Theres always going to be players on a roster not being used at some level so he can sit if he isn’t performing or if there are just better options than him.  I’m fine with him being traded if we get good value, but Stuckey is more in the way of our development in my eyes.  Kleiza is a lateral move.  He may have a shorter deal, but if we are getting calls about Jerebko I would rather wait it out and I definitely don’t want anything to do with Bargnani.  He is just another CV, but would have less chemistry with out players.

    • Feb 18, 20136:47 pm
      by Sop

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      Much rather get our pick back for the 2014 draft.

  • Feb 18, 201311:36 am
    by Domnick

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    stuckey needs to go now, i want Tyreke Evans or Jordan Crawford

    • Feb 18, 20136:48 pm
      by Sop

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      Stuckey and a future 1st rounder for Tyreke Evans and James Johnson.

      • Feb 18, 20138:24 pm
        by domnick

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        if i were joe d… hmmmmmm no :P i dont want a future draft pick go to kings… stuckey + cv for james johnson + tyreke + salmons

        • Feb 18, 20139:13 pm
          by Sop

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          why do you feel the need to publish your wet dreams on the internet? be realistic or keep it to yourself.

  • Feb 18, 201311:42 am
    by Brigs

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    Y anybody would want tyreke evans aka stuckey 2.0 is beyond me. He might have more talent but cannot shoot to save his life which if anybody remembers the Orlando teams of a couple years ago was how they made the finals by surrounding Dwight Howard with good shooters. jig we are gonna win a championship then we need to surround our 2 big men with shooters 

    • Feb 18, 201311:45 am
      by Domnick

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      tyreke is younger than stuckey plus he is better than stuckey… better in talent and IQ!
       
      jordan is a shooter if you dont like tyreke then he is the other option i want to get!

  • Feb 18, 201312:00 pm
    by Otis

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    One of my pet peeves that won’t go away until Charlie does: This concept/myth/whatever that Charlie NEEDS TO GO or something. It’s like people don’t understand that things change. The guy was a serious problem when he couldn’t manage to crack the rotation and was on the books for like three more years.

    But at this point, it’s almost like nobody notices that he’s actually helping this team and gives them another look. I’ve been a detractor of his for a while (maybe not his most vocal one) but when he’s on the floor, it almost doesn’t matter what he does. As long as he has a pulse, he helps everyone else by spreading the floor, he’s been surprisingly active and played with some pride. And if he knocks down shots, all the better.

    Forget amnesty please (I hope you’ve all forgotten it by now), there should be no urgency whatsoever to get this guy off the roster any time soon. Maybe he has some value as an expiring contract who can give another team a different look, but nobody should be itching to dump him. It’s not like the team needs more cap space. I don’t even know what they’re going to do with all the cap space they got!

    To stay on topic: I don’t think we have anyone left on the roster who we should dump just for the sake of being rid of him. I’m not particularly eager to get rid of Charlie and find out the hard way that he actually opened up a lot of opportunities for guys like Moose and Drummond. If he could keep up the production he’s had this season, I wouldn’t be against bringing him back on a much cheaper deal. Never thought I’d say that, but it’s true. Four years, sixteen mil and the chance to redeem himself in this town? Crazier things have happened.

    • Feb 18, 20131:47 pm
      by Huddy

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      When you look at CV for what he is the disappointment goes down considerably.  Like you said he has been playing well where we have used him and really is maybe our best option as a spot up shooter right now.  All the complaining about him in regards to size of contract and maybe hopes of starting are true, but at this point you are right,  he is a good rotation player that we should be able to secure at a rotation player salary when his contract renews.  He isn’t a prime defender as everyone mentions, but rotation players are usually all around excellent guys (or they would start somewhere).  Pairing him with imposing size like Durmmond helps to even out the D and if he can get in and score at a good rate then he is doing his job.  He shouldn’t be thrown in to guard the toughest post up PF in the league but I think hes shown there are plenty of areas to use him for our advantage.  We can’t get too cut happy like you said because team chemistry will be an issue and just how many new guys are we going to sign?  There are only so many that are valuable in free agency and only so many teams want to trade to dump contracts.

  • Feb 18, 20133:31 pm
    by MrCarter

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    I still say hold on to CV and then amnesty him this offseason. Plus, we gotta make a quick decision on Knight and Calderon. It’s becoming painfully clear that both are POINT gaurds and we gotta decide which one to keep long term.

    • Feb 19, 201312:28 am
      by Jon

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      why is knight clearly a point guard. his best games this year have come as an off the ball scorer. sure it’s taking him a little bit of time to transition to a new position but that’s not surprising since he’s only a second year player. give him at least to the end of the season to figure out shooting guard before you declare him definitely a point guard because if there is one thing he has shown for sure this year is that he is not a point guard yet, just another breed of combo guard

      • Feb 19, 20131:16 am
        by MrCarter

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        look at what he’s done as the off-gaurd with Calderon as PG. he’s been horrible!! one of them probably has to go(unless, eventually, you could see BK7 being a 6th man for us).

  • Feb 18, 20137:34 pm
    by Carl

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    The Pistons should offer a trade of Will Bynum for Corey Brewer or Maxiell for Wilson Chandler. The Pistons sorely need an athletic wing that can defend, which Denver seems to have a couple sitting on their bench. Resign Jose, move Singler to the bench, and possibly even go after OJ Mayo to solidify the backcourt which would move BK7 to the 6th man position. Lastly amnesty Stuckey’s contract and we would be a playoff contender for sure next year.  
     
    Calderon 
    Mayo 
    Chadler/Brewer 
    Monroe 
    Drummond

  • Feb 18, 20138:29 pm
    by domnick

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    as much as possible.. i’ll wont wait for summer time.. we need to deal now… JOE D! MOVE YOUR ASS!

  • Feb 19, 20139:56 am
    by Mark

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    Play the youngsters. Troll the D-League for a young big who can be developed and give him a 10 day contract.  Lose Stuckey.  Get into the lottery. Forget this season. 

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