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J.J. Hickson, Spurs, Thunder and the Pistons’ deadline trades that weren’t

Vincent Goodwill of The Detroit News:

Portland offered forward J.J. Hickson for Jason Maxiell, but Portland wanted a first-round pick in return, a sure deal-breaker. The San Antonio Spurs also inquired about Maxiell, while the Oklahoma City Thunder were interested in Will Bynum.

It’s impossible to evaluate the offers – if any – the Spurs and and Thunder made without knowing specifics, but the Pistons obviously did well to reject the Trail Blazers’ offer.

21 Comments

  • Feb 21, 20136:19 pm
    by MoATL

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    As much as I would like to get rid of Maxiell, giving up a 1st rd for Hickson is laughable

    • Feb 21, 20136:36 pm
      by Mark

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      Agreed, but from POR’s perspective I can understand why they’d ask for that. 

      They probably were thinking, why would we want to trade Hickson straight up for Maxiell?

      There’s no financial incentive as both are EXP contracts. And there’s no on court gain for POR, as Hickson is the better PF. So it makes sense that they’d come back and say, ok if you want the better player, you need to give us something to sweeten the deal.

      The interesting thing about that 1st round pick that hasn’t been mentioned is that it would have had to have been a future 1st round pick, like maybe 3-4 yrs into the future, because of the CHA trade where we are not allowed to trade successive #1 picks. 

      • Feb 21, 20136:38 pm
        by Mark

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        So we wouldn’t have been giving up this years lotto pick. Even so, it still make no sense from our side to give up any #1 picks, even if not until 2017, just for a 2 month rental of Hickson who could walk in FA. Maybe if we were a contender and felt he could put us over the top, but certainly not for a team currently an 11th seed in the East lol

  • Feb 21, 20136:49 pm
    by Lorenzo

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    Really no reason to even consider a trade like that.

  • Feb 21, 20137:21 pm
    by Shawn

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    This is exactly why it doesn’t seem prudent to complain that Joe D didn’t make a deal until you consider the deals he turned down.  Both players could have walked away from their respective teams and Detroit would have been short a future draft pick.  I’m not surprised he turned this one down.

  • Feb 21, 20137:22 pm
    by Trent

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    shoud’ve thrown in ’13 and ’14 2nd rounders plus cash. JJ would be a great guy to have to compliment Moose and Dre.

    • Feb 21, 20137:57 pm
      by Mark

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      Except when Dre comes back there will only be 2 weeks left in the season, and then JJ would probably leave in FA. So 2 weeks of meaningless games at the end of the year with Dre/Moose/JJ wouldn’t be worth giving up valuable high 2nd round picks.

    • Feb 22, 201311:48 am
      by Huddy

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      that also doesn’t make sense since Portland didn’t want 2 second round picks they wanted a first rounder

  • Feb 21, 20138:09 pm
    by domnick

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    still we didn’t move any of our trade assets… this is just silly… are we gonna sign overrated contract to FAs again?

    who are our offseason targets? no all-star?

    so we need to wait for 2014 season to get an all-star.

    • Feb 21, 201311:20 pm
      by Reaction

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      Just pray that we get Shabazz this draft and/or Trey Burke/Marcus Smart and the 2014 draft we somehow manage to get Parker or Wiggins

      • Feb 22, 20138:29 am
        by G

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        Marcus Smart… because we don’t have enough combo guards already?

      • Feb 22, 20138:47 am
        by Victor

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        McLemore

    • Feb 22, 201311:57 am
      by Huddy

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      We didn’t get rid of all of our trade assets.  Will Bynum, Jason Maxiell, Jonas Jerebko these guys aren’t netting you an all star either.  The reason we are a player to trade in the off season is all the room we have to take on contracts.  The Rudy Gay trade is a perfect example.  I am a fan of Jose Calderon and Prince is a strong piece for a contender, but Toronto got a young player with all star potential simply because they were willing to pay him and Memphis wasn’t anymore.  Memphis handing over players like Speights is another example, he isn’t an all star or anything but it just shows that even contenders are moving important players because of salary issues.  I don’t claim to know who we are targeting or the exact plan, but I wouldn’t assume we will only be making moves in FA and the draft.  Teams who still have aspirations for this year’s playoffs are less likely to move big name guys (even if they are worried about salary) until they see what happens in the post season.  Once the off season comes around a lot more GMs will be making changes. 

  • Feb 21, 20139:21 pm
    by DasMark

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    I’m sure the Pistons received nothing but low ball offers. Maxiell isn’t going to move the needle very much for any of those teams, and can be signed for cheap this summer if they still want him. 

    Bynum could have been a great addition for OKC, especially as they sent Maynor out of town. My assumption is that Joe wanted a pick or Jeremy Lamb in return, and OKC wasn’t looking to spend.  

  • Feb 21, 20139:29 pm
    by jacob

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    better off waiting until the offseason to trade anyway

  • Feb 22, 201312:07 am
    by frankie d

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    no hickson is not worth what they wanted.
    but remember, hickson could have been had, twice, in the last year.
    sactown gave him away last year at the trade deadline.  anyone who wanted him could have had him.
    he was waived by the kings and signed by portland as a free agent.  
    and then he resigned a one year deal for around 4 million with portland this summer.
    while joe d was keeping retreads like damien wilkins and walker russell around, he passed on a guy like hickson who was out there, dying to find a place with any team.
    the problem is not that portland wanted too much for a very productive young guy with lots of upside.
    no, the problem is that a guy like joe d somehow thinks that doing a bare minimum and letting things play out is going to turn his team around.
    while other struggling, rebuilding teams are busy churning through young talent, trying to find the guys who fit their team and system, joe d still treats his roster like it had been to 6 straight conference finals. 
    that is the problem. 

    • Feb 22, 20131:43 am
      by Rodman4Life

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      Dude, we’re talking about JJ Hickson. Don’t get your panties in a bunch.

      • Feb 22, 201312:09 pm
        by Huddy

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        It wouldn’t have made sense for us to sign JJ to be our 6th bigman in our rotation for one year where we are not in contention for a title and have a rookie in Andre Drummond who needs PT.  Not to mention there is a reason he was waived in the first place and his production this year has been a surprise and could very well be an example of someone playing to get their next big contract.  What would he have brought to the table for the pistons on a one year contract? not much and if we signed him longer he would be cutting into our flexibility for the summer.  He is a free agent this summer so if we fill our more pressing need at SF we can still sign the guy if he is looking for a reasonable contract.

        • Feb 22, 20135:48 pm
          by frankie d

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          nonsense.  first, a smart gm might have locked him up for longer than one year.  essentially, he took the one year deal with portland because he didn’t get any good longer term offers.  portland was it.  and the deal was for one year.
          lots of gms are kicking themselves for not signing him for…say 3 years at 4 million a year, which would have been a steal.
          he got waived in the first place because he was with a dysfunctional organization that doesn’t know what it is doing and was misusing him horribly. those geniuses just traded their first round pick, a guy they chose instead of lilliard and/or drummond.  how smart are those guys?
          all you have to do is look at his numbers before that sactown year to see that this year is actually no fluke but merely in line with the trajectory of his career before he went to sactown.
          he didn’t suddenly forget to know how to rebound.  he was just with an organization that didn’t know how to best use his talents. 
          but hickson is just one example of the syndrome i’ve referred to.
          while other teams have been churning through young talent, trying out cheap options that might turn into quality nba rotation guys, joe has spent the last few years wasting roster spots on limited vets and retreads who do nothing but take up roster space and eat up minutes.
          instead of signing and playing stiffs like damian wilkins, joe should have been taking a hard look at every young player out there on the scrap heap, with the hope that he might find a gem like hickson.
          ignoring young talent like hickson is the problem, not necessarily the fact that he passed on hickson specifically. 

  • Feb 22, 20134:16 am
    by Vince

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    As much as I like JJ Hickson and his game, Max and a Firsty is too much – although I can see why Portland offered it. 

    Like Frankie D said, if Dumars wanted JJ he would’ve signed him or traded for him already in the past.

    JJ Hickson and Jason Thompson are two players whom I think Joe should pursue in FA or through trades, solid back ups who can produce are rare to find on Detroit’s bench. 

  • Feb 23, 20134:58 pm
    by RussellC

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    This guy is a sure double double machine with the willingness at least to play defense. He shows up every day and he is not worth a first rounder that may or may not work out. I don’t understand this new NBA. Everyone is trying to retain flexibility for something that may happen down the road instead of putting a team together and letting it grow up. OKC and San Antonio have the right idea since they don’t have the built in advantage of South Beach or LA.

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