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Greg Monroe, Jose Calderon, Will Bynum and more impress in win over Wizards

Washington Wizards 85 Final
Recap | Box Score
96 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 19 MIN | 0-5 FG | 1-4 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 1 PTS | 0Seriously, without begging for Andre Drummond to get more minutes, I have nothing to write here. I might just stop grading Maxiell when he produces at a D-level or below.
Greg Monroe, C 34 MIN | 5-12 FG | 6-8 FT | 18 REB | 4 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 16 PTS | +11Monroe is now averaging 16.1 points and 9.7 rebounds, both marks better than he posted last season. His double-double streak has reached eight games, the longest active streak in the NBA and the fourth-longest all season. Monroe didn’t defend particularly well, but that’s somewhat offset by how well he took care of the ball.
Jose Calderon, PG 37 MIN | 9-17 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 4 TO | 24 PTS | +8For the first time since November, Calderon had more turnovers than assists. (For perspective, Brandon Knight has had 11 such games since Calderon’s last.) But Calderon more than made up for it with his outside shooting. The Wizards seemed intent on taking away Calderon’s passing options, and they held him to three assists and four turnovers. But Calderon is also a quality 3-point shooter, and Washington failed to stick with him beyond the arc, allowing him to shoot 6-of-9 on 3-pointers. As expected, Calderon also struggled to stay in front of John Wall.
Brandon Knight, PG 29 MIN | 3-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | 0The experiment of making Knight the main scoring guard hasn’t failed, but it’s failing.
Kyle Singler, SG 38 MIN | 5-10 FG | 2-2 FT | 7 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 12 PTS | +15Singler isn’t incredibly productive on a per-minute basis, as tonight’s game illustrates. But on a team lacking players who play well, Singler’s ability to eat minutes is an asset.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 29 MIN | 3-6 FG | 2-3 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 11 PTS | +11Villanueva had a four-point play and got after it on defense. Flash and substance. He’s happy. I’m happy. Everyone is happy.
Viacheslav Kravtsov, C 14 MIN | 2-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | 0Kravtsov played a career-high 14 minutes and became Will Bynum‘s new alley-oop partner with Drummond out. Bynum and Kravtsov connected on two oops, both impressive jams. Defending pick-and-rolls will become a more noticeable problem if he keeps getting more playing time.
Will Bynum, PG 21 MIN | 8-12 FG | 4-4 FT | 3 REB | 8 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 20 PTS | +11A game after shooting 0-for-8, Bynum continued to show how fearlessly he plays. With the game tied at 76 midway through the fourth quarter, Bynum went on a personal 6-0 run, spearheading an 11-0 Detroit run that broke open the game.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 20 MIN | 0-7 FG | 2-4 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -1Stuckey also missed all his shots in the last game before the All-Star break last season (hat tip: David Mayo of MLive). To be fair to Stuckey, he played well in the final game pre-break prior to last year, but the trend is concerning. There should be pressure on Stuckey next February to prove he’s not mailing in these games.
Lawrence FrankFrank played Maxiell 10 minutes fewer than any other starter and gave Kravtsov season-high playing time – wise decisions for the present and future. Otherwise, Frank went all in to win the game, keeping the rotation at a tight nine players. The All-Star break should give everyone a chance to recover, and it will help ending the first portion of the season with a feel-good win. I liked the offensive gameplan, allowing Calderon the freedom to shoot from the perimeter as the Wizards went under screens and helped off him.

124 Comments

  • Feb 13, 201310:16 pm
    by Elkarl

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    Then Calderon is our best pg and sg… i think Jose has to earn all the money from stuckey & knight!!!

    • Feb 13, 201310:59 pm
      by tarsier

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      I think the $11M or whatever he’s getting is plenty.

  • Feb 13, 201310:44 pm
    by Anthony

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    Knight with another poor performance. What is going on with him? I was confident that he could be a good pg but after these string of games.. Idk. He’s either slumping really bad or he’s catching the “pistons bad pg” disease. Man. thats disappointing. 

    • Feb 13, 201311:51 pm
      by Mark

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      He’s Stuckey 2.0 is whats happening. Play great 2 games, play bad then next 4-5. Its classic Stuckey syndrome. I called him that at Kentucky before we drafted him. I watched Stuckey all year for the Pistons that year, and saw Knight play at Kentucky and thought I was watching Rodneys twin. All the same mistakes and bad decisions Stuckey made, Knight made as well. And 2 yrs later, they both still make all the same mistakes. They are just inconsistent combo guards.

      There’s no bad Pistons PG voodoo, as Calderon and Bynum have no problem playing great. Knight and Stuckey just aren’t that good.

      I’m super patient with players when its all you have and theres no way of getting anyone better. But now that we have someone better at PG, and have capspace to spend to get someone better at SG, I don’t see much reason to be patient with Knight.

      Monroe and Drummond are 2 consistent beasts down low. They are ready to win now. We need to be adding players around them now who are consistent, and also capable of winning now. Waiting for Knight to develop just makes no sense to me. The risk/reward just isn’t their in our favor.

      • Feb 14, 20137:06 am
        by Vic

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        This. Let the romance end and the winning begin. Happy Valentines day.

      • Feb 14, 20138:46 am
        by Steve K

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        Interesting. I don’t see much similarity in their games at all.
         
        Stuckey is a far superior ball handler. Neither are very creative in their passing, but Stuckey is more consistent. Still, shooting is where they truly differ. Stuckey has no shooting stroke. Knight has a wide array of shots — floater, mid-range of screen, 3-pointer. And he can finish at the rim, a skill that somehow eludes Stuckey. Stuckey has a better post game, but that’s about the only advantage I’d give him offensively.
         
        It’s too early to give up on Knight. The dude has played PG his entire career. Give him a few more weeks to see if he can adapt to playing off the ball. If not, he’d be a fine PG off the bench.

        • Feb 14, 20139:53 am
          by pistonsPoland

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          Stuckey and Knight are poor finishers at the rim. Stuckey 53%, Knight 55% and thats below league average for guards ( 61% ). 

        • Feb 14, 20134:46 pm
          by Mark

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          As said, both inconsistent combo guards without a clear position, who are poor finishers at the rim and make bad decisions. 

          Sure one is a good shooter while the other is a good penetrator, but thats the only differences between them. Everything else they are identical. 

    • Feb 14, 201312:07 am
      by RalphHau

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      I believe that the Pistons are settling for walking the ball, when this happens it seems that the Pistons struggle and Knight struggles in this half court offense.  What’s going on, have they already switched to the old way of playing or is it because the way they are being defended? 

      • Feb 14, 20137:07 am
        by Vic

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        You won’t have success running with John Wall

  • Feb 13, 201310:50 pm
    by David

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    How about the roll Greg Monroe is on. Over the last 10 games he’s averaging:
    17.9pts (shooting 54%), 12.3 rebounds,  1.4 blocks and 1.4 steals 

    The trend really goes back thru all of January.

    Let’s hope 2013 Greg Monroe is the real Greg Monroe.  

    • Feb 13, 201311:01 pm
      by tarsier

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      Took him long enough this season. But he is finally looking like an all-star.

  • Feb 13, 201311:27 pm
    by Trent

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    I haven’t thought that Slava would ever eventuate in to anything but slowly and in little pieces I’m beginning to see THE BIG SLLLLLLLAV becomming a solid bench contributor.

    I like his hustle, I like his physcicality and just genuinely like seeing a bang and crash player on our roster. Give him 4-6 weeks of solid 15-20min games while Dre is out and when our main man comes back (after some games gaining conditioning) he can start with Slava backing him up and Max and CV splitting situational mins. Not much has excited me this year (other than No.1) but our big Ukrainian is beginning to.

    And on BK, well, I’m lost for words. Getting Jose seams to be killing. Could we try running him off the bench with Will? Start Stuck and let him regain his feet in fewer minutes with less pressure or do we just want to push him through the pain and hope he comes out the other side? Could we package him with our 1st rounder in the draft to move up 4-8spots (if we keep our pick that is, THANKS JO)?

     

    • Feb 14, 201310:07 am
      by Georgio

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      Why would you say he wasn’t any good when the dude has hardly played enough to even been seen, let alone evaluated. Slava is long and athletic as advertised, his first few games he will look a little lost, like Andre did by the way, but with minutes he will get comfortable and confident and be a productive player. It is a crime that the first 3 games Andre was out, Slave didn’t play in two of them and only 4 minutes in the other one. Frank is killing our future, JJ or Middleton should be backing up Singler not Stuckey and Slava should now be firmly in the rotation. Next year the playoffs will be EXPECTED and we have players who we still don’t anything about in game situations, that should change, hopefully it will. 

  • Feb 13, 201311:35 pm
    by tim

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    Im with you.  Not sure why they are handling knight with kid’s gloves.  Drummond (who is clearly our best or 2nd best player) has to earn it, but he was handed the keys from the get go.  Well, we saw him drive and he wasnt any good.  Let him take a backseat and have stuckey ride shotgun for a while.  Knight isnt that good of an outside shooter to suggest that its a better fit.  

    As I said earlier, we need to start stuckey and cv, let jj and slava take most of the bench minutes at the 4 and 5 and phase out max.  let knight be the first guard/wing off the bench and earn a role more to his current skill level.   

  • Feb 13, 201311:41 pm
    by Edgar

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    Can we stick a fork in Stuckey yet? What a crappy game he had and what a crappy season. At what point is he just a not-that-good player?

    • Feb 14, 20138:41 am
      by tarsier

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      What would “sticking a fork in Stuckey” mean? This isn’t the NFL where you just cut underperforming players.

  • Feb 13, 201311:49 pm
    by Trent

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    I’m not sure I see eye to eye with you in starting CV. In an already defensively deficient front court adding CV with Moose = disaster. Also limits our bench scoring which has been a real strong point for most of the season. having Bk as our 6th man I think works though. If Jose is stinking it up, let him run the point and if Stuck is then he can sub in at the 2.

    I would love to get a 9th-12th man like Maurice Evans, Sam Young kind of mould. A solid character vet that can kind of beat up physically on our kids in practice. Nothing over the top but from what I’m hearing nothing gets to physical in our practices and if you look at the best teams in the league, they practice to win. Hard and tough. You play the way you train and we need grit reestablished if we want to become playoff bound.

    On a side note, is Corey Magette going to continue to get paid to ride the bench? Why can’t (if he’s fit) have him back up Kyle? Or is it just taking minutes of players that need time? 

    • Feb 13, 201311:54 pm
      by tim

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      I mean, Im not in love with CV starting, but I fail to see how maxiell really adds anything defensively over him these days.  Dude is constantly out of position or overmatched and at least CV has length.  I do think knight needs to ride the pine, even if stuckey isnt great.  Face it, this team is a mess.  They have two legit nba players in monroe and drummond, a decent and smart player in singler and a bunch of woefully inconsistent players to round out the roster. WTF happened to stuckey after his sophomore year?  I also think JJ could get back to the role he played his rookie year, but he really needs to be a bench pf IMO. 

      • Feb 14, 201310:27 am
        by MIKEYDE248

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        I’d say 3 legit player…you forgot about Jose.

        • Feb 14, 201310:37 am
          by tim

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          right.  I meant signed for next year.  I do hope they can re-sign jose for about 6-7 million for 3 years.

  • Feb 14, 201312:37 am
    by Trent

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    CV couldnt guard Muggsey Bogues in the post! I just like the fact Max will body and (usually) apply some physical pressure to the opposing PF. Being guarded by CV is like passing GO and collecting $200. 

    I think the value in starting Stuck comes purely to drive up his worth on the market. He is good for a 20pt game one in every 4-5games. That is enough to plant the seed in a contenders mind that he can ball at a considerable level given the right circumstance. I don’t blame him for his play. It’s hard to see anyone that has been stuck (pardon the pun) with a terrible team for so many years progressing to thier potential. I think a change of scenary would see him flourish because he does have talent and he has shown that. 

  • Feb 14, 20131:05 am
    by piston moribund

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    Why is there a fixation to play people out of position?  Stuckey is playing bad because there is no set position for him.  First he starts, then he get s moved to the bench, then he gets moved to SF, is asked to play the PG sometimes oh and also his SG position, what about center, he can play center too right??? WTF, is it any wonder why he is not playing the way that he is expected to.  Now CV is playing more and Max isn’t, BK is asked to move to the SG position after everyone has been telling him he’s the PG of the furture, so he goes from running the team to playing a different position and learning it is a week and then goes to not finishing the games.  Every time I turn on the TV, some different is playing at a different position.  JJ goes from playing to being buried on the bench to playing again to not playing???No wonder Bullwinkle (who still sucks mightly on D) is the only consistent offensive threat.  He is the only one who hasn’t been a fricking Yo-Yo.  Its like Howdy Doody gives everyone a chance to fail but never a chance to succeed. 
    Its like he is playing the odds rather then actually figuring out how the game is played.  The Pistons will never win anything with him at the helm.  He gives the impression that he has absolutely no feel for his players.  Waiting till Dre was injured to imply that he might have started, play Stuckey at SF until we hit a five game losing streak, again……oh yeah, always preaching defense but the team always looks completely lost on the defensive end…
    Someone please explain to me how a team is suppose to be a team when the people on your team never play together and are always in different positions.  Wow, Genius……Hey, Howdy Doody, IU called and asked for there basketball 101 reading list back.  Frank is not a basketball coach, not and XO guy, and certainly cannot manage his personal.
    Rant over.
     

    • Feb 14, 20132:18 am
      by Otis

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      I’m no fan of Coach Frank, but this is a personnel problem. The team just hasn’t had very many good players, reliable and consistent. Tayshaun was a fixture, but he sort of did a little bit of everything. Monroe is actually a lot the same way, but he’s the first good, reliable rotation player we’ve had in years. Bynum has been our best point guard basically since he got here, but he’s constantly been subjugated regardless of how bad the rest of our guards have been or who’s been coaching them.

      Coach Frank has just now put together the most sensible rotation we’ve had in this town since 2008 and he’s wisely given Bynum a longer leash, but of course he has the most talent to work with and Bynum has made it very easy to keep him in a significant role by playing great.

      The thing is, it’s not like we’ve seen a formula or rotation that has worked. So the tweaking continues. It’s not about the role you put Stuckey in (whether it be starter, reserve, PG, SG, or even SF) because he hasn’t excelled at any of them. He’s in his sixth season and has held various positions for extended periods. He just doesn’t really have a position where you can put him and he’ll be successful and consistently productive. I suspect the same from Knight, because they’re both extremely flawed and neither of these guys has a well-rounded game. Both would probably be best served in the role Stuckey had his rookie year, coming off the bench behind two very solid guards, adding a new dimension, and not really having to do very much. But you can do so much better in a backup PG, as Will Bynum demonstrates on a regular basis.

    • Feb 14, 20132:29 am
      by Otis

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      In other words: You can’t find one rotation combination since the Chauncey trade that would consistently produce wins. The ceiling has basically been .500, and that’s when everyone’s CLICKING.

      Curry’s roster that had Sheed and Dyess up front with Amir and Max backing them up: There’s no guard combination (Iverson, Rip, Stuckey, Bynum) that was going to be productive, no matter what the coach did. Not making excuses for him, because he was awful, but it’s true. The argument could be made that he could have started Bynum and Rip and brought Stuckey and Afflalo off the bench, but I don’t think that was an option for our rookie coach when Iverson had been brought in to give us a different look offensively.

      Kuester was a joke of a coach too, but can you imagine putting together a sensible rotation out of that mess of a roster Dumars dumped on him in that first rebuild “attempt?” Kuester was blessed with injuries so he didn’t have to spend 82 games trying to make Rip fit with Gordon, but the bottom line is that he had nothing to work with.

      Frank at least finally has something to work with, now that he’s got a point guard tandem and some reliable players, but for all the money and effort Dumars somehow dumped into shooting guards, the position is a total mess. It just isn’t Frank’s fault.

    • Feb 14, 20138:51 am
      by tarsier

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      Have you ever considered that maybe your obsession with position is what is ridiculous? Lots of both successful and unsuccessful teams play players at multiple positions. Heck, look up the position of most players int eh league. They will typically be listed at multiple positions unless they are full-time PGs or Cs. And there are whole blog based arguments over what position Al Horford or Monta Ellis or Evan Turner plays.

      Roles are important (although it is highly debatable whether constantly playing the same role is). And those are sometimes linked to positions. It is important for the coach to put complimentary skill sets on the floor together.

      And to some degree you need bigger guys to defend bigger guys and smaller guys to defend smaller guys. But just how pathetic do you think NBA players are that you assume that they can’t handle having different positional labels put on them?

      • Feb 14, 201310:52 am
        by piston moribund

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        Its not really about a positional label, it has more to do with where the player are setting up with regards to the rotation and switches and covers.  I am going to assume that coaching takes a bit more then simply setting up your shooters in the corners and coming down, running the pick and roll with you pf or center, or am i just being obtuse.  Or are the previous discussions on this forum about SG and PG or getting wing players somehow doesn’t matter just because the team won a game, barely.
        I think this seems to be a form of reactive analysis that overly simplifies the coaching position and turns it into a rec league scrimmage.  Frank doesn’t moonlight as the chemistry teacher, or maybe he does.
         

  • Feb 14, 20132:03 am
    by Otis

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    The problem with Knight and Stuckey, as some people have said, is that they’re just not that good. And their flaws even out or maybe outweigh their strengths. It’s been easy to thrust them into major roles when they didn’t really have any competition to speak of, and the ups-and-downs are to be expected when you force-feed mediocre players minutes with the ball in their hands. Some nights they’ll be fantastic, others they’ll look brutal.

    They both need the ball in their hands (Knight less so, but did we really draft him and clump him in with names like Monroe and Drummond as a core player just to be be an undersized spot-up shooter?), but everyone watching should be more comfortable with the ball in the hands of Calderon and Bynum, who are confident and decisive and generally play within themselves. Yes, sometimes Bynum gets a little out of control and/or shoots too much, but nobody would accuse him of being timid or indecisive.

    Neither Stuckey nor Knight really has a position, and it’s hard to see either of them being a big part of this team going forward. Once in a blue moon, when nobody else has it, they’ll come alive with 20 or 30 point games, but that’s basically all they’re good for and it isn’t enough. Joe needs to bring in guys who fit the system now that the team seems to kind of have a system, instead of the hodgepodge point guard-by-committee nonsense we’ve endured for so long.

  • Feb 14, 20132:37 am
    by Jodi Jezz

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    My Pistons look awful and I don’t like the direction we’re headed…Calderon is horrible defensively, Singler should never receive the most minutes on our roster, and we’re ruining my boy Knight’s career in public view…Dumars I’ve always supported you, but please make a video and tell us what your plans are going forward…Please!!.

    • Feb 14, 20138:52 am
      by tarsier

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      You think Knight is better than Calderon and Singler? That’s so cute.

      • Feb 14, 201311:34 am
        by Huddy

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        Singler does not get the most minutes on our roster, or more minutes than BK for that matter.
        Calderon is one of the most efficient PGs in the league, if you are looking to upgrade that position even more I guess cross your fingers for someone like Chris Paul.
        Brandon Knight has been given the opportunity to play PG and has been extremely inconsistent and was happy to get the opportunity to mix it up at SG (he was questioned about it on Mlive I believe), where he is also inconsistent, both his fault not the team’s.
        Plans going forward- using our massive amount of cap space to facilitate trades and free agent signings in an NBA market that is moving towards a focus on cost cutting (Rudy Gay, James Harden) making us a strong player in the market where good expensive players need a place that can pay them.
         

      • Feb 14, 201312:11 pm
        by piston moribund

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        More rotation experimenting when Dre comes back, cant wait.  Maybe we can play CV at SG or SF.  Yeahhhhhh!

  • Feb 14, 20134:05 am
    by Big Rick

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    Calderon my main man! Moose is playing like a BULL! Knight…(sigh) Stuckey (ugh) Singler is steadily becoming consistent. Maxiell wtf. Charlie V. played tough. Bynumite exploded. By the way horrendous officiating tonight, way to pull out a win going against the odds Detroit! Honestly….I found myself waiting eagerly hoping Frank or anyone on our team got whistled for a tech for pointing out the blatant missed calls just to make a statement, 

  • Feb 14, 20134:26 am
    by Mrshourite

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    Well we have a solid front line 4 & 5, as well as a veteran PG to build around. No other building blocks as of now. 

  • Feb 14, 20134:31 am
    by Mark

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    The Stuckey apologists are out in full force tonight

    • Feb 14, 20138:53 am
      by tarsier

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      Ummm, most of the comments about Stuckey here are bashing him, not supporting him.

      • Feb 14, 20134:50 pm
        by Mark

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        I was referring to “PistonsMoribound” as the stuckey apologist. Also Feldmans comment in the grades was a little apologetic. The thought of Stuckey still being here next Feb to go 0-7 FG again is nauseating.

  • Feb 14, 20137:21 am
    by Vic

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    Calderon is gOod and consistent. Since he can pass and shoot, he’s going to produce.
    Moose is returning to beast mode with scoring and rebounding consistently.
    Bynum is not consistent but he explodes more regularly than the other combos, so he’s a great option to have off the bench.
    Singler is consistently positive, a great backup.
    Drummond is a monster.

    First, A starting caliber SF is needed.
    Next, a backup PF is needed that is athletic and can defend small ball.
    Next, a starting caliber (consistent) SG is needed. 

    • Feb 14, 20139:57 am
      by pistonsPoland

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      We can play with Singler at SF, but it would be great to have better option. But more important are your next points: 

      PF – Millsap
      SG – Mayo

      and we got a nice team. Of course we have to resign Jose

      Calderon  / Knight/ Draft (Burke?)
      Mayo / Knight / English
      Singler / Jerebko / Middleton
      Monroe / Millsap / 
      Drummond / Monroe / Kravtsov
       
      I hope Stuckey, CV, Maxiell and Bynum will be gone. 

      • Feb 14, 201310:47 am
        by Vic

        Reply

        Disappointing but still an improvement
        Calderon/knight
        Oladipo/Stuckey
        Singler/Jerebko 
        Monroe/brandan wright
        Drummond/kravtsov
         
        Realistic based on draft position and expiring contracts with no further trades:
        Calderon/Knight
        Oladipo/Stuckey 
        Singler/Jerebko
        Moose/Millsap or Josh Smith (ok slightly stretchy but hey we got room)
        Drummond/kravtsov 
         
        Dream Scene after trading Stuckey & Max for extra draft pick and resigning Calderon & Bynum
        Calderon/Bynum
        Tyreke/Knight
        Porter/Singler
        Monroe/tony Mitchell
        Drummond/kravtsov 

        Fantastic Fantasy, winning the lottery, trading to the Subs for 2 picks, after trading Stuckey & Maxiell for a pick

        Calderon/Burke 
        Tyreke/Knight
        Porter/Singler
        Monroe/Tony Mitchell
        Drummond/kravtsov 
         

  • Feb 14, 20138:06 am
    by Ryank

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    Frank’s decision on Maxiell was based on foul trouble, not the future or anything else.  Maxiell had two fouls early in the game.  He put CV in the game who was playing his classic oh-lay defense…they went right at him and he gave up bucket after bucket at the rim.  You give CV a good grade for that performance?  He hit some shots in the second half that were needed only because he gave up. 
     
    Okafor doesn’t have games like that unless he’s seeing a defender like CV.  Might as well have put a guard one him…it would be just as effective defensively.  At least the fast break would have been better and on most nights the outside shooting is better as well.

  • Feb 14, 20138:07 am
    by G

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    Pretty sure that grade about Calderon should read “more turnovers than assists”. As far as the Knight as a SG experiment, I think it’s more Knight as an NBA player that’s failing.

    • Feb 14, 20139:48 am
      by G

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      Am I the only one who noticed that they wrote the Calderon thing backwards? Feldman!

    • Feb 14, 201311:20 am
      by Dan Feldman

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      Fixed, thanks!

    • Feb 14, 201311:33 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      what was your expectation for Knight…as a 2nd year player?

      • Feb 14, 201312:07 pm
        by G

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        Improve on last year. His shooting is worse than it was last year, his assist/turnover ratio is about the same, he’s still below league avg in PER… I’d have expected a HUGE jump in Knight’s numbers after getting a full off-season in, and instead he’s basically the same. Compare with Kemba Walker, who would you rather have? Kemba, and it’s not that close.

        • Feb 14, 20137:28 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

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          i know you guy dont agree, but i feel he has been put into a slowing situation…. inconsistent rotations, shakey line ups….questionable system…

          not good for developing a point guard…. Kemba is the main cog, he is the first option so its not a fair comparison… 

          • Feb 15, 20138:52 am
            by G

            Brandon Knight plays with better personnel than Kemba does, probably has a better coach (I know you HATE FRANK, but he’s better than Dunlap), and actually had a pretty consistent lineup for most of the season from November to the trade – Knight, Singler, Tayshaun, Maxiell, Monroe. That’s THE SAME ROTATION he played with all last season with the exception of Singler for Stuckey. You’re making excuses for Knight, and they’re pretty weak.

      • Feb 14, 20131:31 pm
        by tarsier

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        Yeah, he started off the season still a below average PG, but a huge improvement over last year. He has gotten so much worse over the season that now his 12-13 stats are arguably worse than his 11-12.

  • Feb 14, 20138:50 am
    by MoATL

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    Ryank, Okafor was dominating Max. Max was horrible yet you bag on CV who atleast brought some offense. Max brought nothing. 

    • Feb 14, 20138:55 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Because, one game excepted, Max usually contributes a lot more on D than CV.

  • Feb 14, 20139:23 am
    by Oracle

    Reply

    Monroe outrebounded the entire starting lineup for Washington.

  • Feb 14, 201310:16 am
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    About : Knight is isnt playing bad, but his shots are just not falling. Theres a huge difference

    And Greg is playing incredible basketball right now, I’ll argue with anyone he is playing better than any BIG in the league not named Lebron James, I wish he did this months ago because he would have been in the All-Star game…

    • Feb 14, 20131:33 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      You can play a couple good games in which your shots aren’t falling. When that happens for over a month, it’s time to start realizing maybe those aren’t shots you should be taking.

      • Feb 14, 20135:53 pm
        by Mrshourite

        Reply

        Nice!

      • Feb 15, 20138:06 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        He should not shoot the 3 ball? last month he was shooting close to 41% for 3′s…. or he should not attack the rim?

        But I agree… with what your saying, but maybe someone needs to tell that to Jason Maxiell, not Knight… Reggie Miller once spoke about scorers /Shooters, he said its not about them missing its about when they stop shooting, its harder to get back in rhythm

        • Feb 15, 201310:09 am
          by tarsier

          Reply

          I don’t know what the answer is. My point is that saying that his shots just aren’t going down is a fine excuse for a couple games. But once it gets much longer than that, more evaluation is needed.

          Is he shooting the same threes he was shooting last season? Is his stroke affected by some lingering pain from something? Was last season a fluke? Has he just become worse at shooting suddenly? What’s going on? At some point the sample size is too large to say it’s just a slump.

  • Feb 14, 201310:22 am
    by Brendon

    Reply

    Any chance we trade stuckey before deadline? I’m not sure what we’d get for him, but all I ‘d really like to see is a decent consistent player.

    • Feb 15, 20138:10 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      it was have to be a Block Buster deal, where Stuckey 8.5 mil per year, would be needed to make the trade go through…

      other than that no team wants an inconsistent 26-27 year old combo guard making 8.5 mil…that needs the ball in his hands almost every position to be effective….plus he shoots under 30% for 3′s

      I felt it was a terrible decision to re-sign stuckey for that much years ago …5.5 or 6 would have been legit

  • Feb 14, 201310:32 am
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    End of the day Knight is 21 years old…he came into the league as a the first option on Offense Scoring PG… In his rookie year he had to share time with Stuckey, Ben Gordon, Will Bynum, and Point-foward Tayshaun Prince……he really played more SG than PG last year in a short season…. Come back into his 2nd year , and he is the clear starting PG, he and Stuckey worked out all summer together, Greg was ready to make the all-star leap foward, the Pistons were suppose to be running and playing fast…..

    Stuckey benches himself, Greg was inconsistent, ISO-Tay slows down the offense along with Maxiell….

    I’ll say it forever and ever….Knight is a Scoring Point Guard, who is a willing passer once we tried to verse that, and not give him enough options on offense was going to look bad most nights…

    Now we move him to SG…thinking he can just be aggressive and score, but that not an easy transition when your previous SG was Kyle singler, who pretty much just spotted up for 3′s to spread the floor….

    Im not defending Knight and he might not have what it takes, but sometimes players come into a terrible situations. Let not act like Frank is a genius…

    • Feb 14, 20131:38 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      The vast majority of players who enter the NBA come in as a “first option on offense” type. But only a few can continue to be. Kinda like most players in college ball were the best players on their teams in high school.

      Unless you are better than Knight, to make it work in the NBA, you have to figure out how to play without being the feature of the offense night in and night out. Knight doesn’t have Carmelo or even Monta level talent. At least not that he has displayed so far.

      I still think he could be good. But this season has been a major disappointment. And with Calderon on board, he no longer has every opportunity gift wrapped and handed to him on a silver platter. now he will have to earn something. Let’s see if he can do so.

      • Feb 14, 20137:29 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        i disagree about Monta…. but i agree with you overall

        • Feb 15, 201312:24 am
          by tarsier

          Reply

          That’s fair. Monta is a terrible defensive liability. But I always thought he got far too little credit for his offense. He somehow got labelled as a poor man’s Iverson. An inefficient, ball-chucking bulk scorer. But he actually has shot pretty well throughout his career.

          Contributing 20+ ppg on at least a league-average rate is nothing to be scoffed at. 

          • Feb 15, 20138:28 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            Im not a fan of the way Knight is playing, but I often look deeper than final stats…

            so things just dont make sense…I understand bad shooting Knights and I understand find other ways to help the team win…

            follow me a little bit…..

            Knight has had one big game since Calderon has joined the pistons, in that one game…he scores 24pts…he played 36 minutes and had 21 shot attempts, … the Offense focused on him and Monroe as the focus points…

            After that game… he only averages 10 shot attempts, 26mins, and he looks more like the 4th option in the offense Behind Singler….

            Against the Spurs it looked like we found something that worked, then all of a sudden we focused the offense around Calderon and Bynum scoring more….

            Look I dont have a problem with anyone that believe Bynum or Calderon are better than Knight, but I have a problem with anyone that ignores Frank mishandling of Knight.

  • Feb 14, 201310:39 am
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Lets not lose sight….

    Fact Calderon: is playing GREAT, but at 31-32 and he is going to get alot of interest, but Im not interested in over playing him, not even for 3 years….

    Fact Bynum : is 31 , and he will likely leave Detroit in the off season, He is our BEST trade bait Right now, not to get anything for him right now is foolish, and if we re-sign him it will be foolish…

    Fact Knight:  is 21 still has potential, sometimes you have to cut the cost, Knight is a wildcard right now.

    But on a team thats maybe 2-3 years away from looking anything like a contender for legit play-off runs, You have too look down the road not right now…

    • Feb 14, 201310:54 am
      by Vic

      Reply

      Fact: with Calderon and one of the best big combos in the league… Add a starter caliber player at SF and you have a playoff winner next year, not in 2-3 years

      • Feb 14, 201311:08 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        How much are you willing to pay Calderon? ….per year?

        • Feb 14, 201311:36 am
          by G

          Reply

          $8.5 million for 3 years. He’s 31, but his type ages well. Look at Steve Nash, Calderon is basically a poor man’s Nash. I’d take a 34 year-old poor man’s Nash for $8.5 mil

        • Feb 14, 201311:50 am
          by Huddy

          Reply

          31-32 doesn’t scare me.  He isn’t a 7 footer pounding hes knees into oblivion.  Calderon plays the kind of game that is easy to maintain later in years than other positions and play types.  I guess his age is a slight gamble, but he has a lot of value and upgrading at the PG if we lost him would be really difficult.  If we don’t want to pay him who do we pay?  another rookie like Knight to wait and see if he can run the point?  There are a couple of nice prospects we could look into like Eric Bledsoe but that only works if we get rid of someone like Knight, otherwise we will end up with 5 of the same player.  I guess I get where ages scares fans, but you really need to examine the alternative.  Having a play maker like Jose can really help our other guards grow at their positions and our young big men excel because they are getting the ball in the right situations at the right time.  We won’t replace that very easily, so our alternative is important to consider before saying there is no way we will pay jose.

    • Feb 14, 201311:06 am
      by vali

      Reply

      I agree with your points; having said that, I’ll give you another point of view- I was watching Raptors building and rebuilding for several years now and I can tell you that after a while, people just get sick of this process. I was watching Pistons last night and the arena was maybe 40% full..maybe. Every GM is on a hot seat to put out a good product that can sell. I dont know what is the ownership situation in Detroit but nonetheless, everybody wants to win and sooner the better. How long the fans in Detroit would want to wait for a  building process? who can guarantee that in 3 years time, your today stars will not look for greener pastures? Unfortunately, the way I see it.. Detroit like Toronto will have to overpay to attract some stars. The sooner they get to the playoffs ( even if they get destroyed in the first round), the faster the process of attracting fans and stars will happen

    • Feb 14, 201311:10 am
      by Steve K

      Reply

      Bynum is only 30, and just turned 30 a few weeks ago.

      • Feb 14, 201311:19 am
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        LOL@ ONLY! 30!

        Next year he’s 31!…

        TRADE HIM! his Value is sky high….

        No one would every think we could get a first rd pick for Will Bynum, now we can…

        Even if the rumors are true about OKC… I’d trade Bynum in a heart beat for a 20-21 year old Perry Jones or Jeremy Lamb…

        Keeping him for the sake of keeping him is stupid…

        • Feb 14, 201311:39 am
          by G

          Reply

          Steve Nash is how old? That type of player can go a long time without dropping much in value. Calderon looks like the same type of guy, similar skill sets.

          • Feb 14, 20137:33 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            Nash has been All-star and league MVP twice… he has earned his NBA old man playing rights….

             

          • Feb 15, 201310:16 am
            by G

            Calderon has the same game Nash does, he’s just not quite as good. Both are REALLY efficient shooters, excellent passers, and they take care of the ball. Also, both are sub-par defenders. Calderon & Nash’s game ages well. Accurate shooting, good passing… Plus Calderon doesn’t have Nash’s injury history. If anything, Calderon’s game should age better than Nash’s. 

          • Feb 15, 20132:49 pm
            by tarsier

            G,

            I’m gonna have to assume you don’t play fantasy basketball. Because if you do, you’d be aware that for years, Nash was one of the worst in the league for TOs. 

          • Feb 15, 20133:51 pm
            by G

            You are correct, I don’t play fantasy basketball. You realize you’re making my case, right?

        • Feb 14, 201312:40 pm
          by Vic

          Reply

          I agree… I like Bynum but he’s good Enough to trade for an extra draft pick or Perry Jones

          • Feb 14, 201312:46 pm
            by Vic

            That would also help them convince Jose to stay if they traded Stuckey too.
            Best case scenario is to draft Otto Porter small forward and draft Burke as PG of the future while Jose is PG of right now.

        • Feb 14, 20131:43 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          I agree with you this far. The only reason not to trade Bynum to a team for any asset at all is because someone else is offering more assets.

          I like Calderon and would love to sign him for about $22M/5 yrs. I don’t know if that’s possible. But that would be my first offer.

          $8.5M/yr would be stupid. Calderon may maintain his current level of play, in which case he’d be worth about that. He won’t improve, so it won’t be a bargain. He might get worse, and then it’d be a bad contract.

          Why would anyone want a contract on the books which has the potential to be a decent or bad contract but no potential to be a steal? It would be like playing roulette, but if you win, you just keep your money. 

          • Feb 14, 20132:23 pm
            by G

            $8.5 mil over 3 years would be stupid? What do you think a starting PG is worth? Baron Davis makes $14 million, Ramon Sessions makes $5 million (and he’s about a quarter of the player Calderon is), Jrue Holiday will make $11 million a year for the next few years, Deron Williams (who’s playing worse than Calderon, by the way) is making over $17 million…

            When we re-signed Billups in ’07 he was about the same age as Calderon and we gave him 4 years at $46 million. Calderon isn’t the defender Billups was, but Calderon has the edge in point-guard-ness. Explain to me how $8.5 a year for 3 years would be stupid. 

          • Feb 14, 20134:30 pm
            by tarsier

            I already explained it to you. Yeah, he’s worth about that right now (unless you think Baron Davis is appropriately paid).

            But there is approximately a 0.05% chance that Calderon will improve over that deal. There is at least a 25% chance that his game will fall off significantly. This is the same reason young players get inflated contracts. They are expected to improve. So why wouldn’t you give an old player a deflated contract?

            It’s all well and good to say he has a game that ages well. But everyone falls apart at some point. And even if you think he won’t until about 38 or so, you have to concede that there is a non-negligible risk that he will decline much sooner. And then we will have another Rip on our hands (not absurdly paid when the deal was signed, but shortly thereafter an albatross).

          • Feb 14, 20134:33 pm
            by tarsier

            Calderon looks good because the Pistons have so long been starved of competent PG play. But he is an average starter for the position at best. He is not worth half as much as a superstar. He doesn’t help a team two-thirds as much as Smith does. But I believe you had a problem with Smith getting $13M/yr or so.

          • Feb 15, 20138:45 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            Im sorry G …. its too much…

            Dumars paid Stuckey 8.5 per-year thinking he had not reached his prime…Calderon is coming off a 5 years 45 mil deal…pretty much 9 per year……when he signed that deal he was 26 years old, and averaging 9ast per game…

            You want to give him 8.5 mil, he is now 31 and averaging 7.4 ast per game….

            Makes no sense…

          • Feb 15, 20138:46 am
            by Crispus

            It’s not whether Calderon improves, it’s whether he makes the whole offense improve, which he could very well do. A number of players on our team could find a lot of offensive confidence in their formative years with a good point guard getting them opportunities.

          • Feb 15, 201310:16 am
            by tarsier

            You think he will make the whole offense improve more than he has made it so far?  Or do you think he is underpaid right now? If you recognize that there is at least a chance he will fall off, you have to think at least one of those things to justify giving him over $8M for 3 years.

          • Feb 15, 201310:29 am
            by G

            Let me break it down for you – Stuckey got $8.5 because that’s what a guy who averages 16 ppg in this league should get. He’s not earning it right now, but the thinking was he would improve, and then it would be a good contract.

            Calderon is making $11 million, and I think he’s worth it. I’m up for paying Calderon and avg of $8.5/yr over a 3yr contract because that’s what I think he’ll be worth over the life of the contract, assuming a slight decline in his level of play.

            Again, let’s compare with Steve Nash, because I like to do that. Nash signed a contract with LA this off season, 3 years at $27 million. He’s 39 and making $8.9 million this year, averaging 11.8 points and 7.4 assists, 2.6 TO and shooting 50/40/90. Calderon averages 11.1 points (although that’ll go up since he’s taking more of a scoring role here), 7.4 assists, 1.7 TO and shooting 47/43/90. And he’s 8 YEARS YOUNGER. 

          • Feb 15, 20131:19 pm
            by G

            @tarsier I disagree with you about Josh Smith. I don’t think he helps as much as you do. Grantland did an article not that long ago about the worst shooters from certain zones, and Josh Smith was the worst in a couple. Add to that his attitude problem.

            I had a couple problems with you saying pay Josh Smith $13 mil. First was that Josh Smith wants a max contract. He’s not going to take the same money he’s making now, he’s going to want $18-$20 million. Secondly, I don’t think he’s a very good fit for the Pistons. I think $13 mil is a good price for him, I’d even go $15 million, but I think it’ll take a lot more to sign him.

          • Feb 15, 20132:55 pm
            by tarsier

            Those are fair arguments. I can see where you are coming form. I just think that typically, to contend in this league, you need a superstar. Unfortunately, those are hard to come by, so the other way to contend is to get really good players at bargain prices (this is how the Pistons made their last string of contending years).

            So I’m not interested in paying Calderon what he is worth. Most offseasons, someone goes at a bargain rate. Try to get everyone at a bargain rate and maybe you’ll get one to sign. If you pay everyone what they are worth and you spend up to the cap, you will have a mediocre team at best.

          • Feb 15, 20134:07 pm
            by G

            I think you have it backwards. If you don’t overpay somebody, you end up with nobody. At least in Detroit you end up with nobody. I agree, you have to find bargains, but you have to mix that in with shelling out a little for some talent. The top 5-10 free agents available this summer aren’t cutting Detroit any special prices to play for the Pistons.

            Everybody seems to be a afraid of possibly overpaying somebody because the last time we did that, the 2 somebodies sucked. If Ben Gordon had come here and did the same thing he did in 2009, nobody would be complaining. He’d still be overpaid, but you’d say it’s worth it for the 18 ppg he put up. The over-payment part wasn’t the problem, it was player evaluation that was the problem.

        • Feb 14, 20134:25 pm
          by Steve K

          Reply

          @IHATEFRANK
          My point was that you said “Fact Bynum : is 31″ when in fact it should read “Not a Fact Bynum: is 31″. He’s 30.

          • Feb 14, 20137:35 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            i was thinking going in the future…but you are correct my mistake

  • Feb 14, 201310:57 am
    by MIKEYDE248

    Reply

    I didn’t read one comment about trading Monroe for Cousins over that last couple of days. Hopefully those days are long gone. Right now I wouldn’t trade him for anything but a true superstar. If he keeps playing like he has lately, he my even start being concidered one.

    We have to remember that Knight is still only 21 years old and playing at a new position. The team isn’t going anywhere this year, so let’s not jump into anything until the end of the year. If we end up not re-signing Jose, then it might be time to start looking into a new PG.

    • Feb 14, 201311:24 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      Greg can be SOOO GOOD!

      I get upset, when he fades himself out of the offense…I’m not tripping about defense…but when he takes himself out of the offense by not shooting that 15-17 footer…however lately he has been just taking it….

    • Feb 14, 20131:47 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      I’d be fine with trading Monroe. But not for Cousins. The payout should be Kevin Love.

      • Feb 14, 20132:25 pm
        by G

        Reply

        Minnesota would have to be nuts to do it. Let me play with trade machine & get back to you…

        • Feb 14, 20134:34 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          Kinda, but there is a lot of tension between Minny and Love. He is not expected to be there long term. Monroe would be a real nice consolation prize.

      • Feb 14, 20132:33 pm
        by G

        Reply

        http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine/?tradeId=a4nlz3c

        Here it is – Love for Monroe, Stuckey & Maxiell’s expiring contract. I like this because a) you get rid of Stuckey, b) you swap Monroe’s interior game for Love’s inside/outside, opening things up for Drummond a bit, and c) you can still amnesty Charlie V. and be a player in the off season.

         

        • Feb 14, 20134:37 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          I don’t think they’d want to take back that much salary. Throw in Brandon Roy. Then they can get out from under that deal and it would be a reasonable starting point. Maybe swap Jerebko for Maxiell. Maybe throw in Singler.

          If that were offered, I think it would be a legitimate starting point for a deal.

          By the way, trademachine isn’t working properly today. The saved trades don’t show up, they just bring you to the trademachine home screen.

          • Feb 15, 201310:32 am
            by G

            They’d have to take back that much salary for the trade to work. The Pistons won’t have the flexibility to take on a ton of extra salary in a trade until all those contracts expire. In the Monroe-Stuckey-Maxiell option, MIN gets a $5 mil expiring deal, and Stuckey’s deal which expires next year.

          • Feb 15, 201310:42 am
            by G

            I trade the trade you suggested, Monroe-Stuckey-Jerebko-Singler for Love-Roy. It worked, but I see 2 problems with it. First, it doesn’t actually give MIN less salary, it gives more. Swapping Jerebko for Maxiell means MIN is taking 3 years at $4.5/yr in Jerebko instead of a $5 mil expiring deal in Maxiell.

            Second, this deal isn’t really that good for either team. Depth is really a problem for Detroit, and you’d essentially be trading 4 players for 1. We’d get the best guy in the deal, but then who’d play SF? Middleton? On Minnesota’s side, they get a lot of young guys, but the only draw is Monroe. Stuckey is just bad, Jerebko doesn’t look as promising as he did a couple years ago, and Singler really should be coming off the bench in the NBA, he just starts because we don’t have anybody.

          • Feb 15, 20133:10 pm
            by tarsier

            That’s why those things were maybes. The main point would be to get out from under Roy’s contract. Maxiell or Jerebko would be Minny’s choice depending on whether they like JJ. Losing Singler would hurt Detroit, but he is pretty replaceable. It’d be more than worth it to get Love. Avoiding the tax is a concern, but I’m assuming someone like Bynum could be flipped elsewhere for basically no salary in return.

          • Feb 15, 20134:14 pm
            by G

            Ugh. So we solve the salary problem by getting even thinner? Roy’s contract isn’t that bad BTW, they owe him $5.3 mil next year & that’s it. I’m pretty sure they have an amnesty clause available if they want to use it. Anyway, the point of putting Maxiell in the trade instead of Jerebko is Jerebko’s contract would tie them up for a few years while Maxiell is expiring. The only way they take on Jonas is if they really liked him, which seems improbable.

  • Feb 14, 201311:02 am
    by danny

    Reply

    Give him some time my god.  He finally got someone to teach him how to run the point. 

  • Feb 14, 201311:07 am
    by Big Rick

    Reply

    Good points made…..I agree that we shouldn’t overpay for anyone, and that we should try to maximize Bynum’s trade value vice letting him leave For nothing. Knight is still young but by now you have a pretty good sample size, we can’t afford to make the same mistakes with him as we did with Stuckey. With that being said, re-sign Calderon and target players that will help us to compete now while at the same time without jeopardizing our future. This off-season will be very interesting, hope Mr. Dumars does right by us. He helped build a winning culture here the better part of the last decade, time to restore it. 

    • Feb 14, 201311:15 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      Im not opposed to trading Knight, but I believe he has more value than what we can get in return….

      I think Knight is having a tough time adjusting to what Frank and system demands…I’ve watched almost every piston game this year…

      Maybe Knight mentally checked out for a hand full of games, but when he has the green light and allowed to play how he know he is very good for us, but when he is forced into a system he is not effective….

      somewhere Frank and Knight have to get this together. But also, dumars has to step in a make a decision he might not what to make…

      Frank was suppose to develop Knight ans he has failed, and Knight has failed…

      Eventually you just have to cut your losses…either with the coach or with the players

  • Feb 14, 201311:21 am
    by hoophabit

    Reply

    I’d be insulted if I was Singler.  He plays unselfish ball and works hard at both ends of the court.  Shot 50% with 7 boards and 1 turn.  I agree that it would be nice if the Pistons didn’t have to have him lead in minutes, but that’s not his fault.
     
    The end of Monroe for Cousins?  You wish!  Wait until they lose a couple in a row and Greg has a bad game.  I know what you mean though, as it was hard to believe how much you heard the call to trade him early on this year.  I suppose he does annoy the officials with the “And 1,” but I think he takes about as much uncalled contact as any big in the league.  I suppose almost no player should be above being traded, however double double bigs are hard to find.  Most importantly though, we really don’t know what we have in either Drummond or Kratszov, so I think it’s a little early to jettison our most complete big.

    • Feb 14, 201311:29 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      “”I’d be insulted if I was Singler.  He plays unselfish ball and works hard at both ends of the court.  Shot 50% with 7 boards and 1 turn.  I agree that it would be nice if the Pistons didn’t have to have him lead in minutes, but that’s not his fault.”"

      and Only 10 shots…I agree…Singler is being effective, his numbers are better than Prince numbers, and he does not slow dow the offense

  • Feb 14, 201311:34 am
    by DG

    Reply

    If nothing else having Calderon reinforces what people have been saying about the Pistons needing a true point guard.  The offense just runs better because players get the ball in their preferred spots.  The passing is also contagious.  Other players pass the ball more when they see that they will get it back in their preferred spots for scoring.

    Preferably the Pistons will be able to re-sign Calderon and draft a Pure point for him to help groom next year.  Burke would be a nice choice (high efficiency scorer and passer with low turnovers and a good three point shot).  

    This assumes that the Pistons can’t move up in the draft to get a player like McLemore or Porter.  I’m not as keen on Muhammad mostly because he doesn’t share the ball and we’re seeing what a difference sharing the ball makes with Calderon running the point.  

    If he keeps playing like he is, McLemore will be the first player chosen.  Porter is intriguing as a glue type small forward that does a little of everything  But he, too, may well be gone by the time Detroit drafts barring a trade or a lot of lottery luck.

    If they are able to land McLemore or Porter, then Ray McCallum might make an interesting second round sleeper selection for a true PG.  I think his assist numbers would be better if he had more talent around him.  He does look to pass first and has a low turnover rate and gets after it on defense.  He just needs to improve his three point shot.

  • Feb 14, 201311:46 am
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Slava hasnt been great, but he solid enough…

    Makes your question why does he struggle with giving, defensive minded big men minutes?

    but he will play undersized Maxiell?

    • Feb 14, 201312:09 pm
      by G

      Reply

      Maxiell, while undersized, still plays better D than Slava.

      • Feb 14, 201312:47 pm
        by Georgio

        Reply

        Being an 8 yr vet, that doesn’t surprise anyone, but Slava has length and good feet and youth on Max, all he needs now is experience. He’s a legitimate 5 who should be solid for a number of years, Max’s time is up.

  • Feb 14, 201312:39 pm
    by jamesjones_det

    Reply

    I’m hoping once Drummond is back and the trade deadline passed we can move Max to his proper spot on the bench.

    • Feb 14, 201312:44 pm
      by Desolation Row

      Reply

      Inactive list*

  • Feb 14, 201312:43 pm
    by jamesjones_det

    Reply

    I’m not one to give up on a player early in their career but maybe giving up on BK IF and only IF you can get something decent for him is the right move for this team.
     
    I like BK but the lack of progress this season has me concerned he might not develop at all.

    • Feb 14, 20131:54 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      If the Pistons can get a lottery pick, even the 14th, for Knight, I say go for it. Anything much less than that, I don’t think is worth it. he still has potential.

      • Feb 14, 20137:37 pm
        by MrCarter

        Reply

        I don’t think we’ll be able to get a lottery pick for Knight. However, here’s a possible idea. Maybe trading Knight(and maybe Middleton too) to Denver for Jordan Hamilton, Evan Fournier, Julyan Stone, and Denver’s 2013 1st round pick. Helps both sides. Not sure if that’s what you were looking for but I think it’s worth a shot at least.
         

        • Feb 15, 201312:25 am
          by tarsier

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          I still think Knight can get his value back higher than that.

  • Feb 14, 20136:41 pm
    by Nick

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    This year trade deadline and free agent class is very important for the future of the Pistons. I really don’t have a problem with Singler being our starting SF in the future.I believe Singler will only get better as the season goes on. We really need to sign Calderon back I don’t care how old he is. The only thing the Pistons are missing is an Allstar SG and thats why I hope we get lucky enough to get Ben McClemore. With Calderon he would be the perfect fit. If we can’t get McClemore I would rather overpay for OJ Mayo than to give J Smith a contract. Smith just doesnt fit in our system.

  • Feb 14, 20137:34 pm
    by MrCarter

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    Trade Knight NOW!!
     

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