Comments on: Ben Gordon spreads #buffoonery from Detroit to Charlotte

By: frankie d

frankie d — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:51:37 +0000

i never understood the magette/bg trade.
i mean, i get the financial benefits of the trade for detroit – essentially selling a first round choice for a very high price/cap space, etc. – but, imho, CV should have been the guy they dumped in that fashion.
i just think that gordon more value to the team and as a trade asset. he could have probably enhanced that value if he’d played a half season as a long range bomber while drummond was punishing people down low.
was gordon overpaid? yes.
was he that bad? i didn’t think so.
i think Jens has it pretty much right about BG. (not agreeing with his dunlap comments or the comments about rookies, but i think he nails gordon’s situation.)

By: tarsier

tarsier — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:18:08 +0000

Even worse, he didn’t have to give up a first rounder to clean up the mess. Especially with the Tayshaun trade, there could be plenty of cap room even with BG still on the roster (and then there’s the amnesty provision). But he gave up the first rounder anyway, making things even worse.

By: frankie d

frankie d — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 19:10:13 +0000

yes, the contract joe signed him to looked bad, by its own terms and it looked even worse considering detroit’s roster at the time.
when he signed BG he already had rip and afflalo – and stuckey and bynum as “point guards” – at the shooting guard spots. where, exactly did gordon fit? obviously he did not fit, and those who noted it at the time were correct, as the last few years clearly showed.
dumars also gave him more than chicago was willing to pay him. in the year before BG left chicago, he went through a serious negotiation with the bulls on a new contract and the reports were that chicago would not put more than 50 mil/5 years on the table.
chicago knew him better than any team and they wouldn’t overpay him like joe did.
yea, gordon is overpaid. yea, he is apparently an a@@ in charlotte. it sucks to be a vet and see young guys who don’t know half as much as you taking your PT.
but the biggest fool in the BG fiasco is still joe dumars because he signed him to that ridiculous contract and then he had to give up a first round draft choice in order to try to wipe away his horrible mistake.

By: inigo montoya

inigo montoya — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:36:43 +0000

Reasonable people can disagree on the worth of 26th pick in the 2011 draft,

I personally thought the Prince for Caron Butler + the 1st rounder should have been made and the Pistons should have drafted Jimmy Butler with the pick. I maybe got that one right, I get them wrong too, I was dead set against drafting Ty Lawson, I never thought Ty Lawson would make it in the NBA.

It interesting to trace what Dallas turned that pick into, first Jordan Hamilton, then Rudy Ferdandez and then Dallas set Ferdandez and Corey Brewer to the Nuggets for a top 55 protected 2nd round pick in 2016!

By: Huddy

Huddy — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:27:13 +0000

Jordan Crawfords contract is far below Stuckey’s so not likely, especially considering in John Wall’s absence he put up great numbers (even a triple double) so his value is high while for the same reasons you (and I) want to see Stuckey go his value is low.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:18:40 +0000

They would have BG instead of Boozer (because Gordon’s money would have eaten up the space for Carlos). You decide if that would help them or not.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 05:21:21 +0000

How hilarious would it be if they seriously traded back?

By: tarsier

tarsier — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 05:20:34 +0000

If the reason were really money, that first rounder could easily be sold or used to help take a bad contract off the books. So basically, not buying it. No way Karen would have vetoed that deal. It would have made the Pistons, if anything, more valuable.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 05:18:58 +0000

It’s an NBA championship. The arrogance of USA sports in referring to their league championships as world championships is incredible. Taking gold at the Olympics or FIBA World Cup can legitimately be called a world championship. An NBA championship cannot.

That said, yes, he did some good work a decade ago. Not much since then, though.

There is a basic concept in business, life, whatever. Reward right behaviors, not right results. Results have too much randomness and noise in them. Rewarding right behaviors is a better way to ensure continued right results.

By: Trent

Trent — Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:40:51 +0000

What would of become in CHI if he stayed? D-Rose and Ben (without the attitude) is a pretty mean back court. When you look at the roster SG is the only spot that needs to be filled.