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Shooting guard Brandon Knight scores career-high 31 in Pistons’ win over Magic

Detroit Pistons 104 Final
Recap | Box Score
102 Orlando Magic
Jason Maxiell, PF 20 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-1 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | +3

J.J. Redick scored 31 points on 10-of-17 shooting, including 8-of-11 on 3-pointers. Kim English and Kyle Singler deserve primarily blame, but to my untrained eye, Maxiell appeared at fault, too. Multiple times, Singler cheated inside to help because Maxiell was slow to rotate back inside after defending pick and rolls, and that left Redick open. Was Maxiell defending passing lanes farther from the basket by design? Did Singler respond correctly? I’m not certain, but I think at least Maxiell failed to rotate properly. He also didn’t pursue rebounds with enough desire. If Andre Drummond played like this early in the season, we’d be questioning his motor.

Tayshaun Prince, SF 35 MIN | 3-13 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 4 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 7 PTS | -8

Prince played like he had to meet a minimum quota for shot attempts. None of the looks were particularly terrible, but the Pistons have enough other good offensive options that Prince should be a little more selective. His defense, rebounding and point-guard skills while Brandon Knight played off the ball were all moderate positives.

Greg Monroe, C 33 MIN | 7-11 FG | 3-4 FT | 7 REB | 6 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 17 PTS | -2

Monroe scored efficiently and moved the ball well. But his defense was a mixed bag, and his rebounding was just so-so.

Brandon Knight, PG 37 MIN | 12-16 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 31 PTS | -5

The Pistons had 25 assists, their most since November, but Knight had none. That wasn’t a failure of Knight to run the offense, because the Pistons barely asked him to do that tonight. Knight –a  more so than any other game I can recall this season — played off the ball. He worked the perimeter to get open for jumpers (5-for-8 on 3-pointers), and the Magic helped him by going under a couple screens when Knight ran pick-and-rolls. Knight did little to show he’s Detroit’s point guard of the future, but he had a very good game, nonetheless. More importantly, without Knight trying to balance point-guard duties with finding his own offense, the Pistons’ offense had a very good game.

Kyle Singler, SG 19 MIN | 3-5 FG | 2-2 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 10 PTS | +14

Singler repeatedly lost J.J. Redick while "guarding" him. Some of those instances, as explained above, might have been Maxiell’s fault. But Singler definitely deserves blame, too. Some efficient offense redeems him a bit.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 25 MIN | 5-12 FG | 0-1 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 12 PTS | +4

Villanueva (12 shots in 25 minutes), isn’t gun shy, is he?

Austin Daye, PF 16 MIN | 3-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 8 PTS | +8

Solid enough to hang onto a backup rotation spot on this team.

Andre Drummond, C 16 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 2 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -1

Drummond was as ineffective as I’ve seen him, but I don’t believe an ineffective 16 minutes meant Drummond would necessarily be ineffective in eight more. (For that same reason, I don’t typically criticize Frank for pulling a "hot" shooter. Past performance, especially in a small, single-game sample, does not necessarily predict future performance.)

Will Bynum, PG 20 MIN | 3-7 FG | 3-4 FT | 0 REB | 12 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 9 PTS | +8

Bynum led a floor-spacing lineup with Singler, Daye, Villanueva and Drummond that outscored the Magic by 12 points in nine minutes. More interestingly, he assisted Knight on three fourth-quarter 3-pointers. Was this a preview of Knight’s game while he’s playing with Trey Burke next season?

Kim English, SG 19 MIN | 2-3 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 6 PTS | -11

Redick did English worse than he did Singler. English was absolutely brutal at getting through off-ball screens set for Redick. I’m not sure whether it’s a strength issue or something else, but English was very poor at that.

Khris Middleton, SF DNP COACH’S DECISION

This is just a reminder that Khris Middleton was active and Rodney Stuckey was not. This was clearly more than just a basketball decision. Stuckey was being punished.

Corey Maggette, SF DNP COACH’S DECISION MIN

This is just a reminder that Corey Maggette was active and Rodney Stuckey was not. This was clearly more than just a basketball decision. Stuckey was being punished.

Lawrence Frank

More than anything else tonight, Frank’s decision to inactivate Rodney Stuckey should come under the closest scrutiny. Unfortunately, we have the least information about that decision. During the game, I thought Frank was fine. As usual, Drummond should have played more – though I don’t think he should have been in at the end. To recap, Bynum fouled Jameer Nelson on a 3-pointer with six seconds left and the Pistons leading by four. Nelson made the first two free throws and missed the second, and the Magic had a few tips at the ball before time expired. Some have criticized for Frank leaving Detroit’s top rebounder on the bench. But if Drummond were in and had grabbed the rebound, gotten fouled and missed at least one free throw, many of the same people would be criticizing Frank for inserting Drummond.

96 Comments

  • Jan 28, 20135:35 am
    by Ron

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    Lol at the minimum quota “Man I gotta get these shots up before the feds find me”

  • Jan 28, 20135:53 am
    by Vince

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    I thought it spoke a lot of Frank to leave Prince in when he was playing terribly in the second half, he was just throwing up shots and had enough bricks to build a small house. Definitely one of his worst performances, especially when you consider Jerebko and Middleton could’ve taken over.

    I think you’re a bit harsh on English, I watched the game and he looked like well… a rook. He moved well on offense but seemed to be the 5th option on the floor, his spacing was good, passing was decent but his defense was shaky at best. Redick just proved too much to handle and I think its as much his fault as it is his teammates and Frank’s. Frank decided to double team Redick late in the fourth – a wise move – but why not sooner? Why not switch players, have Knight (who played beautiful D) take on Redick and switch English to Nelson/Smith, he’d have the size mismatch; I dunno, made sense to me. I’d give him a D.

    Bynum is playing great, so I’m assuming another (possible) reason for Stuck’s benching is because of a possible trade. 

    • Jan 28, 201311:36 am
      by frankie d

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      the orlando announcers thought that english had a nice game.  they were impressed by him.
      i didn’t see that brutal defense.  
      for whatever reason, orlando has figured out how to get reddick lots of open shots against detroit and no detroit defender over the last few games has been able to stop him. 

      • Jan 28, 20134:19 pm
        by gmehl

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        Also when English came in Reddick was already on fire and everything he was throwing up was going in.  It didn’t matter who was guarding him.

  • Jan 28, 20136:12 am
    by gmehl

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    “Some have criticized for Frank leaving Detroit’s top rebounder on the bench”

    Seriously Dan i think the majority of us believe that Drummond should of been in for that last play. I’d rather chance having Drummond on the free throw line that having CV’s weak-assed rebounding effort at the end of that game. The second tip attempt by i think Vucevic almost went in and to tell you the truth i thought the ref was about to blow his whistle. So if that shot goes in and a foul is called and then Vucevic hits the and 1 we lose that game all because CV can’t box out. Sorry but Drummond should of been in for that last play. If he misses his freebies then they still have to score and i’d rather chance that then through poor rebounding effort.

    • Jan 28, 201312:47 pm
      by Desolation Row

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      I still think you’re looking at it like a false dilemma: we didn’t necessarily need CV or Drummond in there. There are other capable rebounders on this squad who aren’t utter liabilities at the line. 

  • Jan 28, 20137:52 am
    by Chris N

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    An F to a player that didn’t make it into the game?  I’d understand the point you’re trying to make if the inactive and the Did Not Play Coaches Decision received “Incomplete” save for Stuckey (give him the F) but the grading as you have it now doesn’t make sense.

  • Jan 28, 20137:53 am
    by Javell

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    Bkight went ham! He just said fuck passing lol

    • Jan 28, 20138:25 am
      by Pg

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      He would have some assist if his team mates were making their shots especially Prince.

      • Jan 28, 20139:31 am
        by Scott Free

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        Knight would average another assist per game if not for Prince’s obsessive pump fakes.

        • Jan 28, 201310:49 am
          by tarsier

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          Prince hits 44.4% of 10.8 FGAs per game. Let’s say that fully half of those attempts come from Knight passes (which is a ridiculously overblown number, but I don’t know how to get a stat on this).

          Then he is shooting 2.4/5.4 on potential Knight assists. So you are claiming that by pumping less, Prince could raise his shooting percentage to 3.4/5.4 or a jump from 44.4% to 63.0%. He would be easily the best mid range shooter in the league if only he didn’t pump fake so much?

          Stop making excuses for Knight. He is good at some things, bad at others, and will hopefully (but not definitely) become a lot better over time.But no PG in the league has shooters around him who can hit over 60% of their midrange Js, pump fakes or none.

          • Jan 28, 201311:10 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            But the Pistons have one of the worst shoot percents in the league… its only boosted by Drummond and Monroe…

            And Monroe shooting outside the paint is horrible…

            and yes we are in the top 10 concering 3 point shooting, but that comes off our bench with Charlie 40%, Daye 54%….Prince shoots 43& for 3′s, but attempts only averages 1 attempt per game….

            So once again what are Knight options? Prince is very selective about his shoot selection and he does pass on the first open look to take a shot he is more comfortable with…

            Its right there in front of our eyes

          • Jan 28, 201312:28 pm
            by Scott Free

            Well first point to make clear, don’t tell me what to do.  I can defend Knight all I want.  But the point of this wasn’t to defend Knight.  It was just an exaggeration about how hard it would be to draw an assist from Tayshaun — who pump fakes the moment he touches the ball almost everytime.

          • Jan 28, 20131:20 pm
            by tarsier

            The Pistons are 15th in the league in FG%. So right smack dab in the middle. Even in the top half (barely).

        • Jan 28, 201312:31 pm
          by Javell

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          Ikr

  • Jan 28, 20138:03 am
    by Nick

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    Everbody on here complains about Knight not being a  pure PG. With the way this starting lineup is shooting it would make Chris Paul look average. Im not saying that Knight is perfect but last night he could have gotten atleast 8 assist if eveyone made their shots. Put him on the 2nd unit with shooters and he will look like an allstar. I know it was only summer league but if you remember Knight was surrounded with shooters and he had a few double digit assist games. Im just saying you put him in the right position he can be a top PG. Plus if my teammates throwing up enough bricks to build a house if Im the best shooter on the team I will shoot everything too.

    • Jan 28, 20138:25 am
      by Vic

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      And Chris Paul only passes to open 3 point shooters right.

      Maxiells jump shot hasn’t been semi automatic?
      Moose hasn’t been going to work in the post?
      Singler isn’t the best cutter on the team?

      Chris Paul wouldn’t be making excuses and turning the ball over. He’d just A. score 30 a game, or B. effectively use the weapons he had. 

      Obviously Knight is choosing option A, because that’s what his skillet is. Nothing wrong with that.

      • Jan 28, 20139:34 am
        by Scott Free

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        I’m with you on Maxiel and Singler getting Knight assists.  But unless its in transition, no ones going to get an assist from Greg Monroe’s post work or Tayshaun Prince and his compulsive pump fakes… Not to mention Singler’s just breaking through a heckuva shooting slump himself.  

         

    • Jan 28, 20138:30 am
      by Pg

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      @nick Agreed. If your team mates couldn’t hit their shots create your own. You can’t force a team mate to hit his shots when he’s cold.

    • Jan 28, 20138:48 am
      by tarsier

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      People use this excuse for PGs all the time. Fact: Nobody hits all their shots but the Pistons shoot at an approximately league average rate. Saying that guys miss shots does not let Knight off the hook for a bad AST:TO ratio.

      That said, excellent game last night. 

      • Jan 28, 20138:53 am
        by vic

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        exactly. He’s a scorer, not a pg.That’s why he looks and does best when in score mode.

        Knight the scorer is exciting. Knight the struggling pg is frustrating.
        Knight the scorer takes things personally and is confident. Knight the struggling pg is hesitant.
        Knight the scorer wins his matchup or at least competes.Knight the struggling pg loses his matchup.
        Knight the scorer helps his team win.Knight the struggling pg helps his team lose with turnovers. 
        Free BK! We want the real BK every game. 

    • Jan 28, 20139:14 am
      by Crispus

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      The great point guards get their teammates easy shots, lay-ins and alley oops.

    • Jan 28, 20139:36 am
      by G

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      Knight not being a pure PG isn’t his fault, it’s the organization’s fault for trying to force him into that role. I think last night proved he’s MUCH better when someone’s setting him up vs. being a table setter. Which means Bynum is still our only PG and has been since Billups was traded.

      • Jan 29, 201310:57 am
        by unkabin

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        Yes, yes, yes.  Thank you.

  • Jan 28, 20138:04 am
    by Vic

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    If Knight gets to play off Trey Burke next year it will be a great year for Knight, Drummond AND Monroe…
    They will all come alive.

     Ideally you would want to slide in a perimeter defender at the 3 like Victor Oladipo or Andre Roberson… But with Drummond in the game everybody is a wing defender 

  • Jan 28, 20138:30 am
    by Brigs

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    Idk why you guys all want trey Burke, the guy is barely 6 ft tall and bk7 is barely 6’3 we would have the smallest backcourt in the league and would prolly get killed by opposing guards. I know the offense would be really good but defense wins in this league.

    • Jan 28, 20139:09 am
      by vic

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      When you have Andre Drummond in the back those guards can be pesky and play up close more (a la Lindsey Hunter).

      Yeah its not optimal but its better than what they have now. Trey and BK would win or at least match their matchup against the tall guards every Knight.

      for example, JJ Redick scored 30, but so did BK. 

      That leaves the Pistons the opportunity to win at the 4 and 5 with Moose and Drummond getting the majority of rebounds and dominating the paint.

      1 & 2 – offense
      4 & 5 – defense (I know Monroe is not seen as a great one-on-one defender, but rebounding is part of defense, and he does rebound well)
      3 – glue guy/shooter.

      So its not like they would lack defense with Trey and BK. Its that they would improve their offense.
       

      • Jan 28, 201310:13 am
        by Brigs

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        i think more times then not opposing guards would out score bk7 and trey Burke, so I’d rather have Michael carter Williams he’s a true pg with great size and at 6’6 he could take the SG on defense while bk7 takes the pg

        • Jan 28, 201311:50 am
          by vic

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          MCW can’t shoot effectively enough yet, he needs much more work… he would make everybody less effective, and the game plan against him is standard procedure in the NCAA at this point. 
          Look at his recent games. They just cut the passing lanes, let him shoot, let him drive and maybe foul him. 

          • Jan 28, 201312:17 pm
            by Frankie d

            Exactly.  Would love for Burke to have MCW’s size but he doesnt.  And the pistons need their next PG to be a floor-spacing shooter, if Monroe and Drummond are going to play together.  Unless MCW or Marcus smart suddenly start shooting like Burke, I don’t see another college PG who fits as well as Burke.
            again, a smaller backcourt is not ideal, but there are things a team can do to compensate, especially with a guy like Drummond on the back line. 

    • Jan 28, 20139:47 am
      by G

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      Knight is 6’5″ and is developing into a solid de

      • Jan 28, 201310:45 am
        by Georgio

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        Knight is listed as 6’3, not 6’5

        • Jan 28, 20132:27 pm
          by G

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          I know he is – the rest of my comment got cut off, but I said something like he LOOKS more like 6’5″ if you see him standing next to Maxiell

  • Jan 28, 20138:31 am
    by Georgio

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    Andre gets more energized and engaged in the game when he gets some dunks, if everybody is guarding against the lobs then there are other ways to get him the ball close to the basket. Last night there were at least a couple of occassions where Will could have lobbed it to Andre but he took the shot himself, one was on a break with Andre running ahead and Will could have thrown it up but instead went in for the layup. You have to feed the beast to get him energized!

    • Jan 28, 20138:54 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      The way we use Drummond is not creative at all…

      Its the same High Pick and Roll…. seems like this game Will wasnt even waiting for Dre to set the pick…which is cool, because he was kicking it out to shooters…

      But how about trying to Post Drummond up?

      or allow him to do more cuts to the basket?

      I was Javelle Mcgee when he was raw and with the Wizards, he was not good in the post but his length and althetism made up for his lack of skill…

  • Jan 28, 20138:33 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I didnt like the way Drummond played …but he was better than a F ….

    The feeling on offense and defense felt weird…

    Frank seemed to be playing man to man, and then switching to zone defense…

    Im not the biggest Maxiell fan especially in the starting line up, but even he seemed confused on defense….

    However, Defensively Drummond has 4 rebs, 2blks, forced Davis into some tough shots, and he took a charge….

    Im not going to come at Frank, but thats when you pull your rookie to the side or a vet pulls him to the side and say get your head in the game… or maybe it will serve as good medicine for the next game.

    @Dan and Im sure Tarsier will have imput…About Knight …Sometimes I feel like Knight can’t win in Detroit, the other night Kyrie irving has 32 pts and only 2 ast, in the last 3 games Irving has been Amazing!!! AS A SCORER … he is getting 22 shoots per game, average over 30+ ppg…he is allowed to control the pace of his offense…

    However, in the last 3 games…he only has 12 ast…but 11 to’s ….but no one questions him as the Cavs PG of the future…..

    In the first half Knight create easy looks for Prince, Maxiell, and Singler…they all missed or decided not to take..he gave Greg a miss lob pass that Greg couldnt handle right at the end of the 2nd qrt…..

    I’ve watch Kyrie play, and he and Knight are the same type of player…they are just in completely different systems, the Cavs system understand that Kyrie is a scoring PG, Irving is the First option and decision maker on offense, and they know he will get his assist from transition, or pick and roll

    Knight is in system, thats the opposite…. Knight is not valued as a scoring PG, decision making is often taken away from him early and often, and its not because he cant manage the game….its because the style of play …. Pistons work hard to get Greg going, and then they work ever harder to get Prince invloved in the offense….

    I could go on and on…

    I guess my point is I’d rather trade Knight for a SG, than move him to SG…

    • Jan 28, 201311:09 am
      by tarsier

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      It’s true that Irving’s AST:TO ratio is only slightly better than Knight’s. But he is significantly better than Knight at just about everything. That is why nobody questions him. If Knight consistently put up 30 points on under 20 FGAs (even with no assists and 3 TOs), he would get that treatment too.

      The rationale for BK at SG is that Knight has proven to be above average at exactly one thing so far: shooting threes. If that is all he is good at, there is no need for him to be handling the rock. I disagree. I think he has shown significant improvement this season and has real potential as a 5 apg type scoring PG or as a combo guard. I just don’t like his upside as a SG. I’d be fine with getting a star PG and making Knight the backup. But with talent acquisition, I wouldn’t focus on the PG spot. Just grab the best talent that becomes available.

      However, if he is going to be such a limited passer, he really needs to get those TOs under control. Especially since his splits are 42/38/74 to Irving’s 47/41/85 (and Kyrie gets three times as many steals).

      In other words, Knight just doesn’t yet produce enough positives to cancel out the negatives. He only gets on the floor because of how bad the other options on this team are.

      • Jan 28, 201311:22 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        I hear you…and Im very critical of Knight….

        But in this system he is not a fit, Knight does not fit with Frank….

        Frank has killed knights development, i’ve seen it over and over again all year…

        Knight has a great first qrt..but then sit for the first 7,8,9 minutes in the 2nd qrt…start of 3rd qrt they take the ball out of his hand, and they run the offense through Prince, Last qrt…nobody can score or create for themselves…now they want Knight to bail them out with the 3 ball…

        Thats not how to develop your young PG…

  • Jan 28, 20139:30 am
    by M Boyd

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    Do the Pistons need to move BK7 to the SG position, and draft Trey Burke?

    • Jan 28, 20139:49 am
      by Jodi Jezz

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      Why in the world would they do that when Knight is a PG??. We need a legit SG more than anything…

    • Jan 28, 20139:51 am
      by G

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      YES!

      • Jan 29, 20131:56 pm
        by G

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        Sorry, that yes was for drafting Burke. Knight isn’t a PG, they just play him there.

    • Jan 28, 201310:17 am
      by Keith

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      I’m waiting on Burke’s athletic testing. The PG position has become increasingly athletic and tall these last 5 years, and Burke isn’t a great athlete nor does he have great size. Maybe he has the game to be post-injury CP3, but that’s really hard to project. A better comparison might be Ty Lawson, but Lawson is a lot quicker than Burke.
       
      What this team needs is to start with a better system. They are still playing Larry Brown, micromanage ball. That can work when you have defense-first veterans, but it just kills us when we have poor defenders and learning young guys. It stifles development, and only moreso when the coach in charge is an idiot.

      • Jan 28, 201311:02 am
        by vic

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        Dont look now but Trey Burke has been stepping up his defense and athleticsm the past few games (albeit during a 3 point slump). Maybe it takes some time for his shot to catch up with his new muscle lol.but last night he had 5 rebounds 3 steals… he’s been getting more steals lately. He’s already a great shooter and penetrator with a great assist/to ratio. If he starts working hard on defense and producing rebounds and steals then its a no brainer he’s the best pg in the land, even if he was 5 foot 4.I’ll say this again, when you have a poor man’s Kyrie Irving mixed with a poor man’s Chris Paul…I think that’s going to end up being a rich man.
         

        • Jan 28, 201312:36 pm
          by frankie d

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          unh….which two guards have probably been the two most consistently productive point guards over the last 8 or 9 years?
          maybe…chris paul and steve nash?
          how big is paul?  nash?
          nash is a good athlete, but not exceptional.
          paul is now just a good athlete.  must say i thought he was through once his knee injuries robbed him of his elite athleticism, but he’s adjusted very well.
          there will always be a place for guys like nash and burke.
          the key is that they have to be elite shooters.
          for instance, take a guy like ish smith, someone i really like.
          unfortunately, he can’t shoot, which is the one skill that would turn him into a starting quality PG.  he’s got everything else, except the shooting.
          smith is basically chris paul without the shooting range.  
          burke has that range. 

          • Jan 28, 20131:42 pm
            by vic

            right…
            its the shooting that makes the difference.
            If Burke goes past 10 he’s the steal of the draft. 

  • Jan 28, 20139:47 am
    by mixmasta

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    Looks like the Bynum to Drummond oop is well scouted and know to the league. This play was either non-existent to failed attempts in the last 2 games.
     
    This game though, as usual, LF played his 3rd quarter lineup too long thus causing the lead loss along the way.
     

  • Jan 28, 201310:08 am
    by MNM

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    Your grading system gets an “F“, for not making sense. 
       -You’ve done this before, and I thought you realized you were wrong and stopped grading players that didn’t play, because that wouldn’t be fair… Then you apparently are starting up again. How the hell does Maggette and Middleton get an  ”F” for not getting on the floor in this game, yet every other game you don’t mention them? And if you are going to go that far, then why did you leave Jonas Jerebko out of this? He was active and didn’t play either..by your calculations, he should get an “F“ too..?   This is another reason why grades should be left alone until the all-star break and you grade on half a season. Because it doesn’t seem that you guys have defined a clear enough criteria for your grading system.

  • Jan 28, 201310:11 am
    by Corey

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    Knight is much better in a scoring role. Eventually he’ll be a good or at least competent point guard, but they should be using him primarily as a scorer – where he’s already exceptional – and build his ability to run an offense slowly. With Drummond they are emphasizing the things he does best, and keeping the game simple for him so he can excel. With BK, they are trying to make him do all the things he’s poor at, and suppress the things at which he excels. They never should have made BK a primary ball handler so early in his career.

    The ship has probably sailed on this option, as Stuckey has been poor all year and who knows what’s going on now, but they should have kept Stuckey at PG and had BK play SG with him. That could have been an excellent backcourt, with the two of them cross-matching on defense against big SG’s.

    • Jan 28, 201310:23 am
      by M Boyd

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      I think that BK7 lacks a scorer to pass to which hurts his numbers in the assist category along with shooting percentage because he feels that he needs to be the primary scorer.  

      I did like though that this game he seemed to drive more rather than shoot a bunch of 3′s (3 of the 8 came in the final minutes of the 4th).   I have been saying all season that he could put up  double digits in the first half if he would stop camping at the 3 point line.  When he drives he is either fouled or makes the easy layup.  

  • Jan 28, 201310:19 am
    by kypiston

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    Michael Carter Williams would be a good fit with Knight.  He could guard the 2, but run the offense on the other end.  Obviously he may not come out this year, but I think he is who I would want to play next to Knight.

  • Jan 28, 201310:20 am
    by DasMark

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    I think too many people are too concerned with the “grading structure”. They aren’t in school, there’s no report card you have to worry about. It’s an objective opinion, nothing more. 

    I was surprised that Knight scored a career high, I thought he had multiple 30 point games.

    Ugly win overall. Monroe followed up a huge game with another forgettable outing, reminding everyone why he isn’t in consideration for an all star spot.

    Drummond was due for a bad game, it’s been long coming.  

  • Jan 28, 201310:23 am
    by David

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    I’m kind of surprised you were so critical of Frank here. For one, the Pistons won the game. And for two, it seems like he’s finally doing something we’ve asked him to do since last season: play the rookies, experiment with the lineup, and try new roles for players (BK more at the 2). 

    Until we learned why Stuckey was DNP-CD, it’s not fair to criticize Frank for doing it.

    The funny thing is I had pretty much given up on Frank. I think he’s done a serviceable job, the team seams to be improving, blah blah. But it just seems like he’s got no real vision for the future of this team. It’s just about winning now, which makes no sense for the Pistons this season. 

    But this game is the kind of game I’d like to see Frank coach (with the exception of not playing stuckey):
    - experiment with possible FUTURE roles for players: BK at the 2, Moose at the 4.
    - give more playing time to players we need to evaluate for the team: English, Khris, (Jonas too)
    - oh yea, and we still won

     

  • Jan 28, 201310:24 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    when Knight was Drafted I said for him to be successful the Pistons will have to become an uptempo team…

    Knight is the only piston that can get his shot off against any defender….

    Im not hyping Knight up…but he is that good….

    It just brothers me that we are trying to play this team concept, with players that will not likely be part of this future…

    Stuckey, Prince,Bynum, Maxiell, Charlie and potenitally even Daye…Might not even be on this team next year….

    This is how teams stay in limbo…. look at the Suns

  • Jan 28, 201310:34 am
    by AJ

    Reply

    Now that I look at it, how can we expect BK to be a  more complete PG when the “role models” on the team such as Stuckey and Tayshaun never want to pass either?

  • Jan 28, 201310:37 am
    by Big Rick

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    Its plenty of Knight apologists on this site. But there is no way that it is acceptable for your starting PG to register 0 assists. That has happened multiple times this season. Looking at the grades it seems like they are skewed towards offensive output more so than anything else. Knight had a hot shooting night, true. Scoring, shooting, and attacking are all his strong suits and we need to play to his strengths and move him off the ball permanently. He can also play good D when he is fully engaged) To counter the potential concern about a smallish backcourt by moving him to the 2 if we were to get Trey Burke. Bring in a free agent like Tyreke Evans. Wonder why we didn’t put Knight on J.J. Reddick last night. Bottom line, what I’ve been saying all along. Knight is better suited playing the way he did last night, and not having the responsibilities of running an offense and setting up others.
    WE STILL NEED A STARTING CALIBER POINT GUARD!

    • Jan 28, 201310:50 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      “Its plenty of Knight apologists on this site. But there is no way that it is acceptable for your starting PG to register 0 assists.”

      Do you watch the games or boxscores?

      Examples: Last Knight…he drives kicks to a wide open prince.. Prince then dribbles, pump fake and does a step back jump misses…

      Knight Pick and roll…Knight draws the defense, kicks to Maxiell Wide open..misses 15-16 footer…

      Knight at the top the Key….Knight Drives …kicks to Wide open Singler for a jumper…Singler misses…

      Knight Pick and roll with Monroe…Knight draws the defense…Greg open for the 15-17 footer, he hesitates passes on the shot and drives to make a more difficult lay up..

      Knight on Fast Break… Knight lobs a perfect pass int the hands of Monroe….monroe misses..

      Knight Drives …. Kicks to wide open Charlie…Charlie not Ready Turnover on Knight…

      He does play out of control at times, but only a few young PG dont…. but his 0 assist has little to do with him not being able create for teammates

      • Jan 28, 20134:09 pm
        by Nick N

        Reply

        Preach to the church bro lol. I been watching the same thing just about every game. Knight is a PG

  • Jan 28, 201310:40 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    KNIGHT DOES NOT HAVE TO BECOME A FREAKIN 2 GUARD!!!

    Its Called a Scoring PG…. Tony Parker – Scoring PG , Derrick rose – Scoring PG , Kyrie Irving Scoring PG, Westbrook – Scoring PG, Monte Ellis and Brandon Jenning BOTH Scoring PG – , Kemba Walker – Scoring PG and Lillard – Scoring PG…

    THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS COACHES ALLOWING THEM TO PLAY THEIR GAMES….

    Go read what they say about their coaches, winning records or not…the coaches are restricting them… Once again, we’re better off trading Knight now, while he has value if we are not going to let him play his game…

    Out Coach is idiot!, only in his own mind does he think what he’s doing is going to work in todays NBA…

    I’ll do a step further, everyone loves Bledose but he is a Scoring PG just like Knight…Bledose would be horrible in this slow predictable offense…

    did anyone notice how Orlando wanted the Pistons to slow the game down…they never adjusted when Moore moved to SF…Charlie and Prince couldnt even score against him in the post….. Its because they knew where the ball was going, and once it got into Prince and Charlie hand it wasnt going to be passed

    • Jan 28, 201311:20 am
      by tarsier

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      I agree with this idea. I just question Knight’s ability to be a worthwhile scoring PG. He has shown enough improvement from year one to year two to get a stab at improving again in year three unless a star PG becomes available though.

      But you and I agree that he is typically not nearly aggressive enough. I know you tend to put that all on Frank. But I continue to have no idea why. Do you really believe Frank calls the majority of the plays? Has Frank ever shown any tendency to yank BK as soon as he starts looking for his own shot instead of Isolayshauns? No other player in the league get s a free pass for passive play with someone saying that his coach is too conservative and doesn’t draw up plays to just put the ball in his hands and let him improvise. Knight is the FREAKING PG! If the ball leaves his hands, it’s because he chose to pass it (or he turned it over). And it’s not like his teammates are reluctant to give it back to him. It’s Knight’s responsibility to be aggressive, not Frank’s.

      • Jan 28, 201311:36 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        “But you and I agree that he is typically not nearly aggressive enough. I know you tend to put that all on Frank. But I continue to have no idea why. Do you really believe Frank calls the majority of the plays?”

        YES, Last knight I was surprised that Knight was taking the pull up jumpers from 15, 17, and 20 feet…it was the first time I saw Knight doing what he does best…score the ball…this was After he continued to create for his teammates who where not scoring…most games its the same predictable plays called…im at home like here we go again

        “Has Frank ever shown any tendency to yank BK as soon as he starts looking for his own shot instead of Isolayshauns? No other player in the league get s a free pass for passive play with someone saying that his coach is too conservative and doesn’t draw up plays to just put the ball in his hands and let him improvise.”

        Frank yanks knight for playing passive on defense, or play uninterested on offense (Not cutting, not running aggressive off of screens) …. but there have been games, where in transition Knight had to wait for Prince, just to give him the  ball, to set the offense, of what about the games when Knight strictly brought the ball up court, passed it Prince…and then Knight just stood at the wing of the 3 point line? … that not passive thats the system

        “Knight is the FREAKING PG! If the ball leaves his hands, it’s because he chose to pass it (or he turned it over). And it’s not like his teammates are reluctant to give it back to him. It’s Knight’s responsibility to be aggressive, not Frank’s.”"

        For a Stretch of games Prince was very reluctant to pass the ball back to Knight, The system that they play is not built for a scoring PG…

        NOBODY on our roster has Knight Skill set…

        He can get his own shot going to the basket, he can create space with his cross over, defenders have to respect his speed to drive and the 3 ball… Frank has NOT taken advantage of this

        • Jan 28, 201312:35 pm
          by tarsier

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          It’s true that Frank does not appear to have them practicing plays to exploit Knight’s skillset. And for that, he deserves the blame. But I doubt he is doing anything different with Bynum. And yet, Bynum enters the game fired up and aggressive and takes over. Sometimes colossally well and sometimes abjectly awfully. I wish Knight would do the same. And I don’t see any reason why he can’t. Although Frank may not encourage him to do so, I don’t think he discourages it either.

  • Jan 28, 201310:48 am
    by Crispus

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    It would be great if we could move Maxiell and Stuckey to Boston for something, even a pick and Fab Melo. I would love to see us bring in Scott Machado as the 2nd PG behind Will and let BK play shooting guard like everyone is calling for. If Machado isn’t that great, we can draft a PG like everyone is calling for. The only problem is we’d still be jammed up at SF, but maybe, hopefully we can send Prince away too and let JJ, Daye, English and even Maggette and Middleton get some shine as swingmen.

  • Jan 28, 201310:56 am
    by Bo

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    I see Knight exploding in the Microwave role off the bench. But not now. Not this year.

    Hypothetically, if we get Calderon and draft McLemore (stay with me on the hypothetical), that is our starting backcourt. Knight can play Vinnie Johnson-type minutes based on a heat check and finally bring balance to the Pistons backcourt.

    Thoughts?  

    • Jan 28, 201311:01 am
      by Keith

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      That would be ideal.

    • Jan 28, 201311:23 am
      by tarsier

      Reply

      The Pistons should go after Eric Gordon if they can get him while keeping Monroe and Drummond. He’s no sure thing, but he has the potential to be a star (Harden-esque) scorer. It’s really hard to contend without that.

      • Jan 28, 201311:23 am
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Paul George would be even better but probably harder to get.

  • Jan 28, 201311:20 am
    by Big Rick

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    There are quite a few Knight apologists out there. But there is no way that it is acceptable for your starting PG to register 0 assists. Let that be any other PG and they any other non-superstar PG and they’re starting role would probably be in jeapardy the next day. Westbrook would have gotten killed, as he regularly does in the media despite his superior play on most nights. This is the 2nd or 3rd time that Knight hasn’t got any assists for the duration of the game! 

    Looking at the grades it seems like they are skewed towards offensive output more so than anything else. Knight had a hot shooting night, true. Scoring, shooting, and attacking are all his strong suits and we need to play to his strengths and move him off the ball permanently. He can also play good D when he is fully engaged) To counter the potential concern about a smallish backcourt by moving him to the 2 if we were to get Trey Burke. Bring in a free agent like Tyreke Evans. Wonder why we didn’t put Knight on J.J. Reddick last night. Bottom line, what I’ve been saying all along. Knight is better suited playing the way he did last night, and not having the responsibilities of running an offense and setting up others. Knight isn’t gonna sore 31 a Knight, but if he could become a threat to potentialy score 20 a night while playing off the ball on offense and playing ball hawking defense that would be gravy.
    With that that being said…………………

    “WE STILL NEED A STARTING CALIBER POINT GUARD!”
    Usually people play Monday morning QB after a loss. But I’m playing one now. Although we beat Orlando last night there are still quite a few red flags that must be addressed going forward.

    We have several players (starters) playing out of position.

    Knight playing PG while it is obvious that shooting guard is the best fit.
    Singler playing shooting guard while consistently getting torched by 2 guards and he should be playing at the 3 SF position
    Monroe playing center while he has some skills on offense to play the four. But it really is a concern that he will get exposed being slow footed trying to guard power forwards, and especially stretch 4s. That is a main reason why we don’t see him an Drummond on the court at the same time. It makes us too vulnerable on the defensive side against teams where Greg has to step outside of his comfort zone and Awesome Dre has to recover and provide almost perfect help defense to make up for it.

    Very big RED FLAG. In a recent interview Monroe stated that it will take time to make the transition to the four. That basically he’s been playing center 3 years and it will be hard to move to the forward spot. Although it may be true, but it seemed like he was making excuses. Remember the past offseason he was talking big stuff saying that it was easy to play the 4 and the spots were interchangeable and he was ready to play power forward. He was working on his jumper, blah,blah,blah, now all of a sudden “It’s gonna take time.” Monroe use to be my favorite Piston as a rookie, but his demeanor and presence on the court without the ball is a bit too soft for my liking. I don’t think his makeup is that of a Pistons star frontcourt player. Don’t get me wrong he is a very skilled big man, but often times he relies on being a finesse player other than relying on his size to impose his will.

    WTF is up with Stuckey? Were his comments the other day so out of line that he ignited the wrath of coach Frank? We just so happen to squeak by a a struggling Orlando team but we have many issues that must be fixed, but I guess winning soothes all. Once those losses start piling up again watch out.

    • Jan 28, 201311:36 am
      by tarsier

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      Instead of getting hung up on terms like PG and SG, let me ask you: what role are you advocating for Knight to play? In today’s NBA, really, the only thing PGs do consistently is bring the ball up the floor. Quite frankly, I don’t care if Knight does that or not. But do you want Knight to become a spot up shooter who works to become a standard 3 and D kind of guy? Basically Singler’s role right now. Do you want him to become a wing who gets the ball occasionally and looks to score however possible and passes as a last resort? Basically Kevin Martin’s role. What do you mean when you say you want him to be the SG?

      Because if Knight is not at least one of the primary ball handlers on the team, those are pretty much the options. Knight is a good 3 point shooter, but not lights out. And he isn’t particularly big. So he’ll never be a great 3 and D guy (and even the great ones are pretty limited to 4th best player on a contender, tops). And I don’t think Knight has the capacity to be scary, pick-your-poison, volume scorer.

      So he is either a major ball handler (whether you want to call it a PG or not) or he is an asset of minimal value. Given how much better he is than last year (it’s easy to forget how awful he was just a season ago), I think the Pistons owe it to themselves to keep trying to see if he can contribute more than an interchangeable $2-4M/yr type player.

      • Jan 28, 201311:57 am
        by vic

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        scorer vs facilitator

        scorers get the ball at their preferred position on the court and are expected to score on their man  

        facilitators get the ball to any one of their 4 teammates that happen to be in their preferred spots on the floor. 

        Knight has proven to be an excellent scorer. But not a facilitator.
         

        • Jan 28, 201312:09 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          I completely AGREE!

          But we drafted a Scoring PG….

          We didnt draft a Facilitator…..

          So let him score!

          • Jan 28, 201312:55 pm
            by GPitt

            For whatever reason Piston scouts/coaches/GMs over the past ten years have pigeon holed players who’s  skills don’t fit the position their drafted for.???

          • Jan 28, 20131:44 pm
            by vic

            if he’s a scorer, he doesn’t have to play pg!
            Let him score as an SG! 

          • Jan 28, 20133:55 pm
            by sloppy joe

            Knight has made it clear he is a PG.  Moving him will only cause trouble.

        • Jan 28, 201312:39 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          Sure, you can talk about scorer vs facilitator, but my point is what really matters is whether he typically has the ball in his hands or not. If he can get his TOs under control, I just think his upside is much higher with. I don’t think a primary facilitator is necessary for a high caliber team. It is one good option but not the only. The Pistons have Knight, they may as well try to optimize him.

  • Jan 28, 201311:26 am
    by Big Rick

    Reply

    I watched the game. I also checked the box scores that reflected ZERO assists from Brandon Knight. Would you consider Will Bynum a “scoring guard”? If so he registered 12 assists in a little above 20 minutes, basically getting others involved in the game.  While his decisions may be questionable sometimes he has shown the ability to get others involved while looking to score during the same game. That is something that BK7 hasn’t shown consistently. I don’t need to review a box score to figure that out becuase just watching a portion of the game its painfully obvious.

  • Jan 28, 201311:33 am
    by Big Rick

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    @ I HATE FRANK. I do agree to an extent that Knight does not have a wide open green light tha tother PGs have like Kyrie Irving for example. Last year I felt like that was the only difference in there production because I do agree that both are scoring guards. Its arguable that we have more talent than Cleveland, but you can say although BK7 didn’t have the green light like Irving he has had a longer leash than most of his current teamates and has been able to play through his mistakes for the most part unless Stuckey or Bynum were on fire.

    • Jan 28, 201311:45 am
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      @ Big Rick “Its arguable that we have more talent than Cleveland, but you can say although BK7 didn’t have the green light like Irving he has had a longer leash than most of his current teamates and has been able to play through his mistakes for the most part unless Stuckey or Bynum were on fire.”

      We do have more talent than Cleveland, but Byron Scott is a much better coach than Frank…Knight has a very short leash… I said it before and I’ll say it again…

      Knight should be getting 16-18 shot attempts per game, the Offense should NEVER! run through Prince because he slows everything down to his pace…Knight should be the main decision maker

      • Jan 28, 201312:41 pm
        by tarsier

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        What do you mean by a short leash? Mistakes rarely get Knight yanked. He does play a couple fewer mpg than Irving. But that makes sense. Irving is the best player on his team. The best player on the team gets big minutes–unless named Drummond (who I am not yet convinced is the best player on the Pistons but is pretty much neck and neck with Monroe).

        • Jan 28, 20131:27 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          We watch different games clearly….

          Number 1: Short Leash : Knight rarely has the ball in his hand after the first qrt..No matter how he plays from Great, to Average to Poor….

          Number 2: Knight is our most explosive offensive player, Drummond can potenital be our most dominate game changing player

          Number 3: theres a reason he doesnt yank Knight for turn overs because just like Greg Kelser said, alot of those turnover are do to poor spacing by the 1st unit, and player not willing to take the first open look….and im not saying he doesn make bad decisions…last night he pentrated to deep, through it out and it got picked off by Reddick, but the two other turnover where because players were not ready

          But like i said…we must watch different games

          • Jan 28, 20132:44 pm
            by tarsier

            Normally, when one refers to a coach having a player on a short leash, one means that if the player isn’t doing well, he is pulled out of the game instead of being allowed to play through it. I can’t tell exactly what you mean. That Knight is not specifically instructed to dominate the ball?

            Regardless of the quarter, Knight typically starts with the ball in his hands unless he is playing with Bynum (but that doesn’t happen often). The gameplan does not appear to revolve around Knight, but neither does it freeze him out. He probably still has the ball more than any other player on the floor, not as much more as the average PG. But on average, throughout the league, there is probably the most talent at PG. So on the whole, PGs are often the best players on their teams. That is very much not the case in Motown so it makes sense that he doesn’t have the rock as much.

            But I can’t emphasize this enough. Knight has the ball. He initiates the offense. Most of the time he may choose to pass it and then not be a major part of it. But that was the decision he made. And when he chooses otherwise, Frank doesn’t take him out of the game. So if he wants to handle the ball more, all he has to do is opt to do so.

            Otherwise, it’s like a quarterback who doesn’t have a headset complaining that he doesn’t get to run the ball enough. It’s his freaking decision!!

          • Jan 28, 20132:45 pm
            by tarsier

            In summary, what the heck do you mean by a short leash?

  • Jan 28, 20131:08 pm
    by GPitt

    Reply

    If history has taught us anything..ex L Hunter..experiments with young guards out of school in the NBA typically result in average NBA players not franchise players. B K was not a Ernie D., Zeke, or even a K. Irving while at Kentucky..he averaged 4 APG??? 1 year??
    Why would his lackof success as a pure PG espcially at a NBA LEVEL be even surprising.
    He is what he is and if Frank wants to keep his job he’ll remove the reins from BK and let him do what he does best which is score.

  • Jan 28, 20131:08 pm
    by Big Rick

    Reply

    My point exactly Tarsier. Although Knight doesn’t put up 20 shots a game. He is allowed to play through most of his mistakes, unless he is single handledly trying to give the game away with his turnovers. Even then most often than not he is still on the court. I said “arguably” in comparison to the talent Cleveland has because most would consider Kyrie Irving a superstar already. Let’s say you remove both him and Knight from their respective teams, then there is no question we have the most talent. But outside of Detroit, like I mentioned Irving is touted as the next great PG of his generation. I’m not saying Knight is a bum and get him out of town. Simply stating that he is best suited to play off the ball where he is comfortable scoring and not having to deal with the task of getting everyone else involved. Not saying he isn’t capable of making an occasional play or throwing a nice dime from time to time. But his playmaking and facilitating ability leaves a lot to be desired. I think he would be more productive if he didn’t have to deal with what seems to be like a burden at this point in his career.

    • Jan 28, 20131:46 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      @ Big Rick

      I dont totally disagree with you, and that why I said just trade Knight now…

      He is a scoring PG… not a Spot up 2

      Scoring PG traditionally has the ball in their hand more than any other player….Westbrook plays with Durant and Westbrook still gets more shots than Durant….

      The advantage of a scoring PG is the ability to push the ball in transition, draw double teams or draw alot of attention around the perimeter…if the defense plays soft they can take the jumper, if the defense plays aggressive they can beat their man to create for themselves or teammates…

      Thats Bradon knight and MOST SCORING PG

      Disadvantages : Scoring PG …struggle in the offense when the shot is not falling, if the defense plays zone they can be turned strictly into a perimeter jump shooter, they struggle running a half court offense to create for others…

      Thats Brandon Knight and MOST Scoring PG

      What Knight has proven he can get any shoot he wants most nights, and he has a solid 3 ball, he’s quick and can finish around the Rim…

      PLEASE Remember he is playing for an ASSHOLE COACH!

      Give Brandon Knight to Coach POP, Doc Rivers, George Karl, Byron Scott and several others… he would be a putting up much better numbers, this coaches arent stuck on a single system that worked 10 years ago….

      Please i challenge you to go watch the Nets Minus Jason Kidd…its the same offense

      • Jan 28, 20134:51 pm
        by oats

        Reply

        Frank did have Devin Harris play at an All Star level, a level Harris hasn’t been at since leaving NJ. I should also point out that he let Devin Harris take 15 shots a game. I don’t think Knight’s being forced not to shoot while playing the point, I just don’t buy that Frank completely forgot that it is a good idea to let your scorers shoot. I suspect you are putting too much blame on Frank instead of admitting that Knight should get some of the blame. Maybe Frank should do more to push Knight to be more aggressive, but that isn’t the same as preventing him from playing his game.
         
        I’m not fond of Frank and don’t really want to defend him, but you are just wrong and your example is the proof of it. Harris took 15 shots a game and put up 21.3 points while under Frank’s leadership, and yet you claim Frank prevents his point guards from shooting while referencing NJ. It was ’08-’09 if you are wondering, Frank’s last full season in NJ before rightfully being dismissed the next season after his horrendous 0-19 start.

        • Jan 28, 20139:28 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          “”I’m not fond of Frank and don’t really want to defend him, but you are just wrong and your example is the proof of it. Harris took 15 shots a game and put up 21.3 points while under Frank’s leadership, and yet you claim Frank prevents his point guards from shooting while referencing NJ. It was ’08-’09 if you are wondering, Frank’s last full season in NJ before rightfully being dismissed the next season after his horrendous 0-19 start.”"

           …Devin Harris was in his 4th or 5th years in the league he was already established…and I didnt say he prevents his PG from scoring…I said the offense is predictable…. and I also said he is not using Knight correctly…

          and you dont want to blame Frank thats fine…

          Knight has been allowed to play his game
          Monroe did not take the step forward many of us hoped for
          Stuckey has regressed 

          The only players actually playing better are Bynum,Charlie, and Austin… off the bench… so if that acceptable for you more power to you

          OH and we are 9-10 games under .500, 

          • Jan 29, 20134:01 am
            by oats

            First off you’ve argued in this thread that Frank is keeping Knight “on a short leash” and complained about him not getting up enough shots. You’ve agreed that Knight has not been assertive enough, and complained that he doesn’t have the ball in his hands. Then here you complained Frank is running an old offense and pointed out NJ’s offense minus Kidd. So, while I may have referenced something you didn’t say in that exact comment I replied to, it was all said by you in this thread. I can’t put it next to one comment since you’ve been making your point in a scatter shot approach over several comments (which I’m fine with as long as you don’t expect me to make my argument in the same manner). I chose the last one and the one where your argument falls off the rails the most, by blaming Knight’s style of play on Frank and pointing out NJ post Kidd. Seriously, Devin Harris was crazy aggressive and shot 15 times a game. Harris played pretty close to how you wish Knight would play, although Harris has a game built a little bit more around a drive and dish style of play while Knight is a bit more of a jump shooter. Still, the only change from Harris to what you ask from Knight is that Knight incorporate a few more 3 point attempts than Harris did, especially since you argue Knight can create those looks for himself. If Knight isn’t playing that way it isn’t because Frank’s offense prevents that. I’m just not buying the whole Knight hasn’t been allowed to play his game argument. It doesn’t hold up. Knight is trying to do something that isn’t natural to him, but there is no evidence that that is Frank’s fault as Frank has allowed other players to play like how you want Knight playing.
             
            I should add that I’m not buying into the Harris was in the league longer argument. Your complaint was about Frank’s offense, I pointed out that Frank’s offense doesn’t work the way you claim. Harris being more accomplished is irrelevant to that point. Frank’s offense still is not what you claim it is.
             
            Nothing else you said was in any way related to what I said. I said you are putting all the blame for Knight playing in a manner you think doesn’t suit him on Frank when Knight should get a heavy dose of that blame. This isn’t the same thing you blame me for doing. I paraphrased arguments you’ve made through out the thread, you are attacking arguments I never made. That was such an egregious straw man that I think I’ll just leave it at that.

  • Jan 28, 20131:11 pm
    by Ripped3553

    Reply

    I think Drummond may be hurt. I saw him hurt himself in the game against the Bulls. He was amazing before the play where he appeared to jam some fingers and he obviously stayed in the game, but he didn’t do much but block a shot after and hasn’t seemed as dominant since. I’m not saying that this is for sure, just a theory. But he hasn’t been as dominant since that game. He is very young and may not be able to play through pain as effectively as a veteran that is used to it. Like I said, this is just a theory. 

  • Jan 28, 20131:41 pm
    by Clint in Flint

    Reply

    Make all the changes you want but,  until you change coaches,  you are not going to have a winning team.

  • Jan 28, 20132:07 pm
    by jacob

    Reply

    Drummond and Monroe are supposed to start playing more togehter according to mlive. And with stuckey being benched a possible trade.

  • Jan 28, 20132:20 pm
    by Mark

    Reply

    Are you sure you didn’t mix up the grades for Singler and English? 

    I can’t agree with your assessment at all.

    The way I saw it, Singler was consistently giving Redick 10 ft of space on the perimeter so that he could pretend like he was helping Maxiell on Big Baby. For one, in what universe does Big Baby ever command a double team? And two, if you are going to double him, then double him. Singler was literally guarding no one. He wasn’t close enough to even double Davis, and he wasn’t close enough to contest JJ’s 3s. It was the worst defensive awareness I had ever seen.

    At least English stayed on Reddick for the most part, staying close enough to at least contest his shots. Even though he may have scored more on English, to me it was all Singlers fault for letting him get going in the 1st qtr by giving him a bunch of wide open 3s. Once he got going, it was stop for anyone to stop him.

    But as we saw at the end, the guy who’s emerging as the Pistons best perimeter defender – Knight, did an excellent job guarding Redick. He forced him into an airball on his last shot. 

    I’m not going to get on Frank in a game they won, but he should’ve switched Knight onto Reddick in the 1st qtr, and brought Bynum in to guard Nelson.

    Fortunately, that was the last time we will have to play against Redick this year. But in the future, we need to make better use of Knights defensive ability. He’s developing into one of the better perimeter defenders in the league. We need to start putting him on the other teams best offensive players, and taking advantage of his relentless defense

     

    • Jan 28, 20132:35 pm
      by tarsier

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       Even though he may have scored more on English, to me it was all Singlers fault for letting him get going in the 1st qtr by giving him a bunch of wide open 3s. Once he got going, it was stop for anyone to stop him.

      There is some merit to what you say in that right behaviors matter more than right results (because they are better indicators of future success). But the notion that poor D allowed Reddick to “get it going” so that he was then unstoppable is malarkey. There is absolutely zero evidence that shooting well or poorly at one point in a game carries over to another point. And not for lack of trying. There have been studies to try to find some such correlation. But “the hot hand” has repeatedly proved to be nothing more than a myth.

  • Jan 28, 20135:24 pm
    by normcash7

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    I love Brandon Knight.  Just turned 21 in December.  He is gonna be a very good point and a very good shooting guard.

  • Jan 28, 20135:26 pm
    by normcash7

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    Drummond deserved his F.  22 year old Vucevic and Davis took Drummond apart on the boards.  Andre really needs to develop an offensive game. 

  • Jan 28, 20136:08 pm
    by Jayknowsball

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    Y’all are placing the blame in the wrong direction …we really need prince and maxiell coming off the bench if not I say trade them 

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