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Rajon Rondo’s injury alone won’t vault Pistons into playoffs

Kevin Pelton of ESPN:

But on average, simulations show that only 39 wins will be needed to secure a spot in the Eastern Conference playoffs. Boston’s projection without Rondo? 39.0 wins. So the Celtics are right on the bubble. Overall, simulations show Rondo’s injury decreasing the Celtics’ likelihood of making the playoffs by 14.2 percent.

Those numbers sound about right. As I’ve written, the Pistons’ playoff chances are slim. Rondo’s injury helps the Pistons, but they’d also have to pass the 76ers, who might get Andrew Bynum back soon.

A bigger boost than the loss of Rondo itself might be the Celtics rebuilding by trading Paul Pierce and/or Kevin Garnett.

Still, the Pistons hold the most cards here. They must continue to get better during the season play Andre Drummond more to have a real chance.

66 Comments

  • Jan 28, 20138:17 pm
    by Vince

    Reply

    Completely agree. Been a lot of trade chatter between Boston/Toronto and Memphis for Rudy Gay, although the Celtics are reluctant to deal Pierce. Do you think that if a trade does go down, the Pistons could serve as a third team/fourth team?

    I’m thinking about something along the lines of:

    Toronto gets:

    Rudy Gay
    Brandon Bass
    Courtney Lee

    Detroit gets:

    Jerryd Bayless
    Jason Collins

    Memphis gets:

    Jose Calderon
    Landry Fields
    Jason Maxiell

    Boston gets:

    Rodney Stuckey
    Kyle Lowry
    Cash considerations from Toronto 

    • Jan 28, 201311:51 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Was Rondo supposed to be in this trade somewhere? if not, this is way too good for Boston and terrible for Memphis. And I can’t imagine Toronto wants to give up both their PGs. Also, the money doesn’t work.

    • Jan 29, 20131:21 am
      by Jodi Jezz

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      That trade is awful for Detroit and Memphis!..Toronto isn’t getting Rudy Gay either, don’t listen to everything the media tells you…

      • Jan 29, 20139:04 am
        by tarsier

        Reply

        This trade isn’t that awful for Detroit. It’s a straight up salary dump without giving up big time assets. That said, it would hardly be exciting for Pistons’ fans except that it may open up more minutes for Drummond.

        • Jan 29, 20139:14 am
          by Jodi Jezz

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          Stuckey is better than Bayless and Maxiell is great compared to Colins…We’re basically giving up a 26yr old 2-guard and a good on-ball defending PF for nothing…If we’re trading Stuckey we need to get decent 2 or a decent 3/2…We need talent on this team not salary dumps…

        • Jan 29, 20139:34 am
          by G

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          Uh, it IS that awful. first off, the league would veto the trade because the money doesn’t add up. You can’t have significantly more or less salary going out that in, and there’s a discrepancy of about $9 million in Detroit’s case. Secondly, Detroit would be getting 2 useless players for Stuckey and Maxiell (2 useful players). So yeah, it’s bad.

          • Jan 29, 201312:01 pm
            by tarsier

            Yes, you don’t have to point out to me that the money doesn’t work. I already replied to the original trade proposal comment saying as much. And saying that it is an awful deal because Memphis gets hosed.

            And Detroit undeniably loses talent in it. Which is what happens 100% of the time in salary dumps.

            I wouldn’t particularly want Dumars to move Stuck+Max for Bayless+Collins. But I wouldn’t care too much because this is a lost season and because guys of Stuckey’s and Maxiell’s caliber can always be signed in FA once that money has been freed up.

            They are being paid basically what they are worth. So they are net neutral assets. The only real reason to keep them would be if they fit particularly well with the team. And that is not appearing to be the case.

          • Jan 29, 201312:12 pm
            by G

            It’s a terrible trade because you can do MUCH better for Stuckey and Maxiell than Bayless and Collins. Collins is useless, Maxiell is an expiring contract. Stuckey’s only got 2 years left on the contract, so the only reason to trade him is to get assets. And the whole thing is moot anyway because the trade would get vetoed.

            The Pistons worst contracts are Prince, Villanueva and Jerebko. If you’re looking to salary dump, those are the guys you need to move. Not that they need to salary dump, since Maxiell, Rip and Maggette all come off the books at the end of the year (don’t forget we’re still paying Rip). That’s over $21.5 million for free agency without losing anybody. I repeat, this trade is AWFUL.

          • Jan 29, 201312:21 pm
            by tarsier

            If you’re lucky and someone particularly wants Stuckey or Maxiell as opposed to just one of many such interchangable players, you could get a late first rounder for each of them. If someone just needs someone to fill a hole on the roster, you can probably get a second rounder for each of them. The money saved in the deal is more than the going rate for such picks. So it may not be the direction you’d like the franchise to direct its trades. But, assuming it is trying to do such a trade, it is not a bad deal. I would say it is better than trading BG and probably a 10-20 pick for Maggette.

            So it would obviously be a financial decision rather than a basketball one. But it would open up more minutes for Drummond. And if that saved money meant Gores was willing to spend that much more later, it would be good news for the Pistons.

            Agreed though, that this is all irrelevant because the trade proposal is illegal and would never be accepted by other parties anyway. 

          • Jan 29, 201312:28 pm
            by G

            AND they could amnesty Charlie V (which they won’t, but still), freeing up an additional $8.58 million. That makes around $30 million to spend on…
            Chris Paul (forget about it), Calderon, Bynum (probably), Kevin Martin, Tony Allen, Matt Barnes, Hickson, Landry and a bunch of other guys that either aren’t coming or aren’t good fits.

            Pencil Bynum in at $3.5 – $4 million, make a run at Calderon for about $12-14 million, leaving roughly $12 million to spend on a SF and a backup PF. I’d say the Pistons don’t really need to shed salary, they need talent.

          • Jan 29, 201312:32 pm
            by G

            Didn’t you read what I wrote? THEY DON”T NEED TO DUMP SALARY, THEY’VE ALREADY GOT $30 MILLION COMING OFF THE BOOKS THIS SUMMER.

            You don’t need to dump Maxiell’s salary, he’s an expiring contract. You don’t need to dump Stuckey’s contract, it ‘s only got 1 more year on it. The reason why trading Stuckey is so attractive is because he doesn’t fit this team, not because we’re paying him too much (which we are, but still…).

    • Jan 29, 20139:31 am
      by G

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      Why exactly would Detroit trade an expiring contract and Stuckey for Jerryd Bayless and Jason Collins? Bayless is terrible and Collins would be behind Viacheslav Kravtsov on the depth chart… AND there’s no way Toronto gets rid of both Calderon AND Lowry, I don’t care how much they want Rudy Gay.

      To sum up, Toronto sheds the 2 best players in this deal and the best contract as well the 2nd worst player & worst contract for the 3rd best player with the biggest contract and a couple mediocre players with bad contracts.
      Boston sheds a couple mediocre players with bad contracts and THE WORST PLAYER IN THE DEAL and gets the best player (and best contract) and Stuckey (4th best, medium bad contract) AND CASH???
      Detroit sheds Stuckey (4th best, medium-bad contract) and Maxiell (5th best, expiring contract) and gets a bad player and THE WORST PLAYER IN THE DEAL (REALLY?)
      Memphis loses Gay (3rd best, biggest contract) and Bayless (bad player, probably overpaid) and gets the 2nd best player (for only 1 yr), the 5th best player & also expiring contract, and the 2nd worst player & worst contract.

      A) This whole thing makes no sense. Boston is really the only team that makes out in this deal. They basically give up a bunch of mediocre to bad players and bad contracts and get really good players. Huh?
      B) Even if Ainge were able to get the other GMs really high so they could put this trade together, there’s no way the league accepts the trade. The salaries don’t add up. For example, you’ve got Detroit with $13.5 million in outgoing salary and only $4 million coming in.

      In conclusion, this is a dumb trade. ESPN has a trade machine that could’ve told you that, actually.

      • Jan 29, 20139:53 am
        by G

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        http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a4czk65
         
        Yeah, trade didn’t pass the first check. There’s salary discrepancies for every team, and if you got to the point where the trade would be accepted, it would show you the estimated wins added/subtracted as a result of the trade. I can tell you without looking that the only team with wins added would be Boston.

    • Jan 29, 201311:46 am
      by Al

      Reply

      Sorry, but that is an awful trade. Gay and Pierce on the same team? How does that help the Pistons? How does that help the Grizziles?
      Was this just an attempt to get something going? Did you look this information up or randomly hold a draft of trade candidates from each team’s depth charts?

    • Jan 29, 20132:22 pm
      by inigo montoya

      Reply

      This trade works with the 4 teams, it is called Boston blows it up, which I think really they should do.

      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a764wgw

      All that is left to do is figure out the the year of the draft picks and the protection on those picks.

      Memphis would probably give up this year’s 1st rounder to do this deal.
      Toronto gets a SF that they always wanted and probably part with a 1st and 2nd rounder (getting rid of that awful Fields contract and Kleiza)

      Boston would probably want to claim 2 of the above draft picks but the Pistons should at least get 1 for taking Kleiza and Fields contracts.

       

  • Jan 28, 201310:23 pm
    by piro4pistons

    Reply

    I thought I would rattle off a trade proposal for the heck of it.  I know criticism will follow, but here it goes;  Prince, Singler, and Stuckey for Pierce.  Stuckey gives the Celtics a starting PG or sixth man.  Singler can be a future glue guy for them play SF, SG, and I think eventually some PF as well.  Prince takes Pierce’s spot in the starting rotation.  Pierce gives the Pistons an all star that us fans will be willing to pay to watch.  Also getting rid of the 3 players clears up playing time for Daye, Middleton, and English.  It’s a trade I personally would invite, not so sure about Celtics’ fans.

    • Jan 28, 201310:48 pm
      by Javell

      Reply

      Are u retarded nobody wants washed up paul pierce

      • Jan 28, 201311:19 pm
        by gmehl

        Reply

        I’d rather have a washed up Paul Pierce than a washed up Tayshaun Prince. Also getting rid of Stuckey would be the cherry on top but in that deal i’d throw in Daye rather than Singler. All that out of the way there is no way in hell the Celtics deal Pierce unless he asks for it which i don’t think he will. I think he’d retire with one year left on his deal before he goes elsewhere. If he didn’t have a ring yet then it would be a different story though.

      • Jan 30, 20135:48 am
        by piro4pistons

        Reply

        (personal attack removed)  Washed up averaging 18.7 ppg 5.9 rpg and 4 assists.  Yeah, washed up.  (personal attack removed) 

    • Jan 29, 20138:57 am
      by Crispus

      Reply

      I like that it frees up room on our team, but I’d hate to lose Singler. He’s real cheap and although he’s not super athletic, he already plays smart and unselfish. He’s a glue guy you want to have around for years.

    • Jan 29, 20139:28 am
      by MIKEYDE248

      Reply

      The only way Pierce will be traded is if he asks for it and it would probably only be to a team that has a chance of winning this year.

  • Jan 28, 201310:59 pm
    by Jayknowsball

    Reply

    I rather have pierce then prince 

    • Jan 28, 201311:02 pm
      by sloppy joe

      Reply

      yeah but im not about to trade away stucky prince and maxiel for an already declining player.  

      • Jan 28, 201311:04 pm
        by sloppy joe

        Reply

        stuckey prince singler i mean

  • Jan 28, 201311:22 pm
    by Mark

    Reply

    If my math is correct, the Pistons would need to go 22-15 the rest of the way to get 39 wins.

    Thats not that unrealistic the way they are playing lately.

    Plus, they already won the season series with BOS. So if they both end up with 39, we’ll get in.

    We also are 2-0 against MIL and can win the season series tomorrow. And 1-1 against PHI with the 3rd and final meeting at the Palace the last week of the season. So its very possible we could win the series against them too. 

    I’m not going to predict how many wins needed though. I think we are as good or better a team than all 3 of these teams. And the best team will get in. Still a lot of games left. 

    • Jan 28, 201311:59 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Unlike the NFL, tiebreakers rarely come into play for determining who qualifies for the playoffs in the NBA. That said, I am surprised by how well the Pistons have done against the most likely competition for that 8th seed. But 22-15 is pretty unlikely. That’s a 49 win pace. And the Pistons are not a 49-33 caliber team.

    • Jan 29, 20139:03 am
      by vic

      Reply

      Pistons are definitely a better team than who they need to beat to get into the playoffs. At the beginning of the year I had them #6 or #7 in the East. 
      It’s the tanking aka not playing your best players that has them behind.
      Can they catch up after tanking for so much of the season?

      Yeah its possible, especially with the injuries to the best players on Boston and Philly.
      Now their handicap is as big as ours (Frank), so the field is even. 

      • Jan 29, 20139:05 am
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Their handicap may be as big as Detroit’s. But they are several games ahead of the Pistons. It’s not impossible, but very, very unlikely that the Pistons could get into the playoffs.

      • Jan 29, 201311:18 am
        by vic

        Reply

        http://wagesofwins.com/2013/01/28/will-rajon-rondos-injury-hurt-the-celtics/

        also consider that our handicap is getting smaller with Andre Drummond playing more minutes and BK playing less point guard.

        At this point I’d estimate that the only way the Pistons don’t make the playoffs is if Andrew Bynum comes back producing at 75% of his capabilities, and comes back in February 

        • Jan 29, 201312:04 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          Drummond is playing more minutes? Maybe by the tiniest of margins. Not enogh to make any significant difference in wins.

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      • Jan 29, 201311:22 am
        by vic

        Reply

        Toronto could also keep the Pistons out if they make a good trade.

    • Jan 29, 20139:32 am
      by MIKEYDE248

      Reply

      The Pistons play playoff teams 6 of the next 8 games.  At the end of that stretch I think we will know if they will even have a chance.  One of the 2 non contenders is the Lakers too.

  • Jan 29, 201312:25 am
    by Blocks By Dre

    Reply

    Last time we were any good we had Mr. big Shot making clutch shots…now? We have no one that can step up and take those shots. Sorry guys, I just got done looking at our championship run a little bit. Brought back some damn good memories…damn how times have changed! I seriously don’t understand why Dumars is letting this team go to the ground, but hopefully we do something in the offseason cause I still don’t see us making playoffs. Drafting Drummond, Knight and Monroe is a good start but we need a go to guy that can hit big shots when we need it most. If that person is in free agency next offseason fine get him, cause we’re not good enough for playoffs but too good to get a pick any lower than 9 and this draft class (so far) is not that great outside of a few players likely going top 3

    • Jan 29, 20131:07 am
      by gmehl

      Reply

      Yeah i did the reminiscing thing a couple of weeks ago and watched the 2004 championship dvd. How good was that 3 that Chauncey hit against New Jersey. I know we lost that game but damn he was a cold blooded assassin when the game was on the line. I will also never forget the buzz that the Rasheed trade brought that team. Every team needs a crazy guy on it and Sheed was our crazy guy :-)

      • Jan 29, 20139:13 am
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Billups is Kobe-esque in that he had a totally undeserved reputation for being “clutch”.

        “Clutch” is itself a stupid term because the beginning of the game is just as valuable as the end and because no player builds up a statistically significant sample size of game winner attempts.

        But in the case of Kobe and Billups, they got the reputation by just taking a lot of attempts on game winners and hitting a below average percentage of them. It’s just that people remember the makes more than the misses.

        Don’t get me wrong. I loved having Billups on the Pistons. But the nickname “Mr. Big Shot” was completely unmerited. Unless of course it meant “player who takes ‘big shots’ but misses them most of the time”.

        • Jan 29, 20139:37 am
          by MIKEYDE248

          Reply

          He did have some big shots, but it seemed like more often than not, it was a bad off balance shot that he was trying to throw himself at a defender trying to get a foul.

        • Jan 29, 20139:37 am
          by Blocks By Dre

          Reply

          You, my good sir, are a buzz kill…but I guess watching these depressing Pistons these days can do that to somebody 

          • Jan 29, 201312:09 pm
            by tarsier

            Yeah, I suppose I am. Like I said, I really liked Billups, everything but his nickname.

            Where he was really valuable at the ends of close games was when the Pistons had the lead. He did a great job of not turning it over and then hitting the FTs when the other team had to intentionally foul. 

        • Jan 29, 201311:48 am
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          I was looking for the study…but got lazy…maybe one of you can find it..

          Billups during his time in Detroit was among TOP players in the league with scoring in the 4th qrt…and Also in lead taking situation under 2:00 minutes…

          @Tarsier you are right, not enough data to support game winning shots, however lead changes and go ahead buckets under 2:00 does have more data attached to it…

          • Jan 29, 201312:07 pm
            by tarsier

            Yeah in the last 2 minutes or whatever, I don’t know. But the reputation is built on game winners, not last 2, 3, or 5 minutes. Also, as pointed out, of course he did lots of scoring at the end. He took way more shots than his teammates at the ends of games. I am more interested in efficiency than bulk scoring. 

          • Jan 29, 201312:50 pm
            by Brigs

            The reputation was not just built on his makes in the last 2 mins it was made on those backbreaking threes he used to just pull up and hit to end a teams run or how many times he hit a shot at the end of the clock shot wen we really needed a spark that’s y blaha said mr big shot not mr clutch 

  • Jan 29, 20133:41 am
    by 11:oi

    Reply

    No Tay, Max and Stucky! 
    Here my son did Spike Lee impression “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgPRmOeVA5E “.

    Enjoy! 

  • Jan 29, 201311:43 am
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Joe Dumars use to have balls!

    what happen to him?

    Think about some of his moves…

    He trade Matten Cleaves, Rodney White, Darko all lottery picks when they didnt fit or workout..

    He let Rick Carlisle go for Larry Brown, and then was quick to jump on Flip Saunders….

    He traded Stackhouse for Rip…
    He saw Potenital in Ben Wallce and Chucky Atkins
    The Deal to Get Rasheed

    Even the almost Trade for Allen Iverson that almost took place, but Geiger had the trade Clause…

    Then years Later he trades Billups for iverson…(Not Popular because A.I. no longer played with Passion)

    But He made BOLD MOVES!!!

    Now he holds on to Prince, Stuckey, Charlie, and even Daye like they are prized possesions …

    has only made one trade in how many years?

    He’s just not the same visionary

    • Jan 29, 201311:48 am
      by Al

      Reply

      I think he is scared to make moves due to all of the criticism he has taken over the years for bad trades/draft picks. Only recently have his draft picks been good.

      • Jan 29, 201312:01 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        yeah but his trades have always been good….

        His draft picks have been lucky…Greg Monroe could have easily been Ekpe Udoh or Derrick Favors

        Knight could have easily been Bismack Biyombo or Jan Vessley

        And Drummond was gonna be John Henson or even Austin Rivers (who I think believe will be goo eventually)

        my point is trades have been this teams bread and butter…

        Free-agency is all gonna screw us, because Detroit is hard to sell over much more mentally appealing areas…

        Trades is what Dumars is good at or was good at…. thats what he needs to get back to….

        • Jan 29, 201312:12 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          Monroe could have easily been Udoh or Davis. The Pistons weren’t going to get Favors.

          • Jan 29, 201312:23 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            my point is we lucked our way into those picks…

            Like or dont like Knight he could have went in the top 5….

            I trust trades more than I do lottery pick especially outside of the top 5

          • Jan 29, 201312:40 pm
            by tarsier

            Agreed, getting those guys was certainly more luck than genius by Dumars.

    • Jan 29, 201312:12 pm
      by Desolation Row

      Reply

      Don’t forget Arron Afflalo for a future second round pick! That was a steal… for Denver. 

  • Jan 29, 201312:11 pm
    by Desolation Row

    Reply

    Whatever happened to Patrick? I was out of the country and stopped visiting the site for a few weeks, but ever since I got back on here I feel like he disappeared. Miss having him on the threads! Was there a post about him leaving that I missed?

  • Jan 29, 201312:18 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    How can a player like Rudy Gay be availalble and our names not even be thrown in the hat?

    • Jan 29, 201312:26 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      I’m not entirely convinced he is still available now that Memphis is under the tax. But if he is, Prince+ for Gay should at least be on the table.

    • Jan 29, 201312:28 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

      Reply

      Who could they offer up as bait?

  • Jan 29, 20131:05 pm
    by piston moribund

    Reply

    Fact:  Pistons will not make the playoffs. 
    Fact:  Pistons are better off not making the playoffs b/c they will get a lottery pick and Dumars might get the boot for not making the playoffs.  Thats a two for one.
    Fact:  The Pistons have not made any good moves since Mr.D died, Hammond left,…..etc.
    Luck is when opportunity meets preparation.  So it was lucky that the 2004 team was assembled, and that he had some solid drafts after some really horrible draft picks.  He’s had a fair share of good and bad but certainly with the emergence of Dre, the credit has to fall on him and the staff.  It could well have been a really bad choice so hindsight is not really a fair judge of luck.
    I think its also fair to say that since Joe is a know commodity now in the business, any moves that he makes or offers that he makes will be dealt with under greater scrutiny.  Its like once you cash in your chips, other people will be more aware of you when you do ask for something.  Granted, his seemingly unflinching desire to hold on to his picks also seems a bit annoying, but he did get rid of BG, at a price.  Which will give the team more money to go after the very very slim free agent class adn save tens of millions of dollars.  Not chump change for any business.
    Lets just hope that he has learned from his mistakes.  The priority for next year has to be a PG.  That is essentially the only need that the team has left.  Positions 2-5 are filled.  Whether its by free agency or through the draft, it has to be PG.  No chance Burke will fall through, nada, unless the lottery goes well.  
    Sandy called, he wants his dream guard back.

    • Jan 29, 20131:23 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      “”"Lets just hope that he has learned from his mistakes.  The priority for next year has to be a PG.  That is essentially the only need that the team has left.  Positions 2-5 are filled.  Whether its by free agency or through the draft, it has to be PG.  No chance Burke will fall through, nada, unless the lottery goes well.  
      Sandy called, he wants his dream guard back.”"”

      i agreed with everything you said except for this…we do not need a PG, but we Do need a WING player that can either play SG/SF….

      I dont know what you goes see in Burke, I know he @ Michigan but I think you guys are overrating him a bit…his assist number but Michigan plays a style that creates easy opprtunities for assist. Also, in Big Ten play his shooting has been horrible, his best numbers came early in the season against very weak competition.

      We NEED GOOD Athletic SG/SF around that (legit)6’5-6’7  to takes his team to the next level….over a PG.. when you have a capable player in Knight sorry….

      Or Trade Knight….. for a LEGIT SG/SF and then draft a PG

  • Jan 29, 20131:10 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    Imagine where we’d be without that Piss poor start….in the first 20 games od the season…

    Imagine if we managed to hang on to half of those double digit 4th qrt leads…

    Imagine if 20 games ago Drummond was starting?

    Gore said he expected the Pistons to make the play-offs during the off season and I havent heard nuffin from him since, maybe Dumars has tricked him by sending footage of the 2004 season, and Gore thinks we’re currently in the lead of the eastern conference

  • Jan 29, 20131:15 pm
    by Pratik

    Reply

    Detroit/Boston/Memphis/Toronto:

     http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a49l3ry

     

    • Jan 29, 20131:44 pm
      by G

      Reply

      Uh, no way Toronto does that. They’re not dumping Valanciunas or DeRozan, and take a look at the estimated wins added. Toronto’s got -11. They’re looking to trade either Lowry or Calderon, Valanciunas is like their sacred cow. He’s not moving.

  • Jan 29, 20132:02 pm
    by Pratik

    Reply

    Hmmm…yeah your right about Valanciunas and DeRozan, but I think they would have to give up one of them to get Gay and as a Pistons fan I would want DeRozan.

    It all depends on how bad Toronto wants Rudy Gay?  http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ae9mya9   Boston gets a combo guard in Stuckey – who can handle the responsibilities of PG until Rondo is back, and a future 4 in Amir Johnson behind KG (can come off the bench for now), and a center Memphis wins in this trade by getting two vets in Tayshaun Prince and Jose Calderon, as well as Brandon Bass. Detroit gets a much needed SG, and back up PG.  Thoughts? Toronto gets Rudy Gay and Will Bynum

  • Jan 29, 20132:05 pm
    by Pratik

    Reply

    Too bad Joe Dumars would never get this creative ^

  • Jan 29, 20133:10 pm
    by DG

    Reply

    Pratik – No way Memphis gives up the most talented player and takes back the most salary. 

    • Jan 29, 20133:31 pm
      by G

      Reply

      Plus Valanciunas and DeRozan are the 2 best contracts, meaning Toronto gives up their best contracts for a bad one. They’d have to be pretty desperate to get Gay because this deal would make them significantly worse

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