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Pistons can trade a first-round draft pick, just not easily and not for 2013 or 2014

Previously, I wrote the Pistons couldn’t trade a first-round pick until they sent theirs to the Bobcats as part of the Ben Gordon trade.

As the Grizzlies-Cavaliers trade earlier this week proved, I was wrong. The Pistons can trade a first-round pick.

It just wouldn’t be easy.

Similarly to the Pistons, the Grizzlies already traded a protected first-round pick (currently owned by the Timberwolves) that hasn’t been transferred yet. But it appears the Cavaliers agreed to accept their first rounder from Memphis two years after Minnesota receives its pick.

So, the Pistons can’t trade a first-round pick unless the receiving team agrees to those terms, which I previously didn’t believe were conditions allowed to be placed on a traded pick.

In other words, a team receiving a Pistons’ first-round pick in a trade now wouldn’t get it until 2015 at the earliest, and if the Pistons miss the playoffs this year, it would become 2016 at the earliest.

The Pistons still have the same restrictions in trading a first-round pick I outlined in my initial post – with one distinction. The team receiving the pick could agree now to wait to receive the pick based on when the Bobcats receive their pick.

32 Comments

  • Jan 24, 20134:44 pm
    by tarsier

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    Good to know. However, at this point, there are few scenarios in which the Pistons should be looking to trade their first rounder anyway.

    • Jan 24, 20134:50 pm
      by Bugsygod

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      I think moving a 1st rounder will be before the draft.  That way they know if they did or did not make the playoffs. 

    • Jan 24, 20135:19 pm
      by CNA5

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      2013′s draft is looking pretty weak so far- barring a load of surprise tournament explosions.  Givony (from Draft Express) was quoted saying that scouts don’t see a whole lot of franchise changers in it.
       
      With that being said, Charlotte will probably be fine deferring outright to 2014 or 2015.
       
      A pick (or picks) is (/are) handy if you’re trying to pry a rotation player for cap/luxury tax relief.

  • Jan 24, 20134:47 pm
    by Bugsygod

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    Ok Great!  More ammo to make trades.   Im sure, just like in the Cavs case, teams would not mind doing this as long as they have mutlitple picks already, meaning the delay in receiving the pick wouldnt be that big a deal.  Thanks Dan, didnt know if i was cut off from getting questions answered on PistonsPowered. 
    On a side note, would be intersting see what you guys think of the Pistons coaches as far as develoment.  It seems our big guys under Roy Rogers have really shown progress and improved.  This includes Monroe, Drummond and even Maxiel.  The knocks on monroe/drummond coming out of college were both motor and we have seen none of that as Pistons.  I would also say that maxiels last two years have been his best as a pro!  Now the guards…..that is a differnet story.  I just was never comfortable w/ dee brown as the “guard development” coach.  I watched him his whole career and his knock was always a SG in a Pg body.  Similar to the knocks of our three pgs, knight, bynum and stuckey.  I dont know, maybe a future article for you guys. 

    • Jan 24, 20139:32 pm
      by gmehl

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      You can’t really judge Drummond’s motor yet because he is lucky to get 20mpg. When he starts playing 30mins + then i guess we’ll all know the answer to that.

      • Jan 25, 201310:42 am
        by piro4pistons

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        Good point gmehl,
         
        Right now Drummond has to fight for every minute he gets, though it is amazing he isn’t frustrated with getting less playing time than Maxiell, despite playing better.

  • Jan 24, 20134:52 pm
    by Bugsygod

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    Hey dan, how does is work if they Acquire a 1st rd pick?   Say they trade Stuckey for a future 1st rd pick that is protected.  Does this wipe out this entire scenario?  I know it gets complicated, but i really think they will be getting a 1st pick either at the deadline or draft night. 

    • Jan 24, 20135:27 pm
      by CNA5

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      I’m not exactly sure what you’re asking…
      The Pistons are free to flip any acquired pick as it’s written.  Let’s say the Pistons pick up a first round pick from a team that protects it top 20 in 2013, top 14 in 2014, top 5 in 2015, and #1 in 2016.  Those same restrictions follow the pick regardless of how many times it gets flipped.
       
      Each pick is separate.  So Detroit would have their pick and then someone else’s pick.  If Charlotte then claimed Detroit’s pick, Detroit could only trade the pick that ‘someone else’ received.
       
      It can get more complicated if a team ends up with two lottery picks.  But, if a team has two lottery picks and is willing to trade one, they usually specify the original team’s pick or designate language like ‘the lower of Detroit’s own pick or Portland’s pick’.
       
      Does that help?

    • Jan 25, 20132:36 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Acquiring another first-round pick would change everything. What could happen depends on the conditions that pick.

  • Jan 24, 20137:32 pm
    by Brigs

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    Thanks for the info Dan but i hope nobody’s holding their breath for joe d to make a trade cuz I’m pretty convinced it’s not happening 

    • Jan 25, 201310:44 am
      by piro4pistons

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      I agree with you Brigs.  I have complete faith in Joe D NOT making any trades before the deadline.

  • Jan 24, 20137:34 pm
    by bugsygod

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    No i meant more this year the 2013 draft.  Say they acquire a late 1st round pick, can they then trade their own pick, which would most likely be the higher pick in a trade? 
    Ex.  Pistons have the no 10 pick in the draft, they cannot currently trade that pick because charlotte may get their pick next year.  So, if they acquire the number 24th pick in the draft from Houston can they now trade the 10th pick, their own?  Detroit trades the no. 10 pick in the draft with Jonas Jerbko for Eric Gordon of New Orleans?

    • Jan 24, 20138:54 pm
      by CNA5

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      In the scenario you mentioned, I believe they can trade the #10 pick- but only after the season.  Because the top 14 picks are protected this year, Detroit under that scenario gets to keep its pick to do whatever it wants with it.  They just can’t do it now because there’s still a chance Detroit could make the playoffs- unless Charlotte says it’s good and will take the 2015 pick or whatever.

      The trade you proposed could happen on draft day or just before it. 

  • Jan 24, 20137:54 pm
    by Oracle

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    Pretty sure the trade restriction counts for years where we don’t know if the pick is given up or not. If the pistons finish out of the playoffs, we know they don’t have to send it to Charlotte, and can therefore trade it in the offseason. They cannot trade it before the offseason, since we don’t know if they’ll make the playoffs or not

    • Jan 24, 20138:37 pm
      by bugsygod

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      No, if they miss the playoffs and keep the pick they cannot trade it this year, because that would be trading there 1st rd pick consecutive years, as Charlotte may get the pick next year. 

  • Jan 24, 20139:58 pm
    by Bryan

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    I honestly think the best thing about this stupid trade is that Joe cannot trade any more draft picks for many more years.  While the obvious downside remains, the advantages of a rebuilding team keeping its picks and drafting young players to fill roster spots just might outweigh said downside.

    • Jan 24, 201310:30 pm
      by bugsygod

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      Well they keep the pick this year if they are not in the playoffs.  So they get another young player.  I love draft picks, but how many young players you want them to have?  They have FIVE rookies this year.  Knight, monroe, daye, stuckey still under 26.  So bynum, max and prince are only guys 30 or older on the team.  What they need is to get more established young talent, which is done thru Free agency and Trades.  imo

      • Jan 24, 201310:47 pm
        by Nick

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        @ bugsygod I totally agree with you. That’s why I had no problem with the Gordon trade. We already got the foundation players all the Pistons need is a good trade or a free agent. Championship teams are built off of trades and free agent signings.

    • Jan 25, 20139:41 am
      by CNA5

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      There comes a point in time where more young players ends up hurting more than it helps.  Take the Bulls after Jordan, Pippen, and Phil left.  That teams was stacked with lottery picks.  Washington was too (and starting to be again).  Take a look Sacramento too (I believe they have 6 lottery picks- all drafted by them).
       
      There comes a point where too many young players hinders each others development.  When we look at the Pistons, they certainly have something special in Drummond.  They have a very good big man in Greg Monroe.  And, they have a PG who has a good jumper, reasonably athletic, and looks like he can be a very good defender at the point. 
       
      @bugsygod is right.  Pistons need to start finding reliable talent to fit around these guys.  If I were to list their priorities, it would be:
      1.  A starting shooting guard who can score reliably (and hit the 3)
      2.  A quality back up big man who can play center (because Drummond should start next season- at the latest)
      3.  A consistent dead eye shooter from the bench.  When Charlie V knocks down shots, Pistons typically are hard to stop.  When he doesn’t, the bench tends to get exposed.

  • Jan 24, 201311:38 pm
    by jacob

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    Not many teams do it by the draft and win anymore. OKC and the SPURS are about it.

  • Jan 25, 201312:09 am
    by Chris N

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    If the Pistons do make the lottery but wind up drafting in the latter part of the lottery, is there any provision stating that they cannot convey the pick to Charlotte this year?  

    • Jan 25, 20132:18 am
      by gmehl

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      Chris has a good point there. I suppose the question your asking is say we don’t make the playoffs this season and there isn’t a player the pistons like but there is one Charlotte likes can we then convey the 1st rounder to them which ultimately would finalize the Gordon-Maggette trade. Does anyone know if this is possible??

      I’d really like for us to make the playoffs so we don’t have to go down this path and hand them our 1st rounder due to it being a so called weak draft and the fact that we have zero chance in getting a top 5 pick.

      • Jan 25, 20131:01 pm
        by tarsier

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        A handful of commenters on this site regularly claim that the 2013 draft will be a weak one. Why? I see no reason to believe that. It is not commonly labeled so by the media and there are plenty of players in it I’d love to see the Pistons add.

        And no, the Pistons cannot simply choose to unprotect their traded pick. And assuming they are likely to be better next year than this (which seems a decent assumption), they’d have no reason to want to.

        • Jan 25, 20132:30 pm
          by CNA5

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          Just rumblings from assorted columns quoting scouts.  Here’s just one you can read and decide how much credence to give it.
          http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/01/13/3786420/scout-recommends-charlotte-bobcats.html
           
          I’ve also heard a few quotes here and there on TV and on the radio suggesting that this class is short on ‘franchise changers.’ 
          I know this isn’t a completely fair barometer, but Cody Zeller might be the #1 pick in this draft and if put in last year’s draft, he likely would have been 15th-20th.
           
           

    • Jan 25, 20132:47 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      If the Pistons get a lottery pick this season, I believe the Pistons could trade it to Charlotte for the pick Charlotte already acquired from Detroit. The Bobcats would have to agree to this new trade, of course.

      • Jan 25, 20134:14 pm
        by CNA5

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        Yeah, they could make a deal and give up the pick to Charlotte.  But, I’m not entirely certain if they have to get permission. 
         
        Under the CBA, the Pistons technically are trading their 2013 1st round pick and they reserve the option to renege on the deal and push it back to 2014 under the agreed conditions.  I’m not sure if they’re REQUIRED to push it back a year if it’s covered by the protections- because, in the end, they are still giving up the 2013 1st round pick they agreed to trade.
         
         
         
         

  • Jan 25, 201311:01 am
    by M Boyd

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    Used the ESPN Insider NBA trade machine, and this is a trade that would benefit both sides.  We would trade Stuckey for Klay Thompson and Jarrett Jack.  We get a shooter and then draft Bennett (SF) in the draft.  

    PG: BK7
    SG: Klay Thompson
    SF: Bennett
    PF: Greg Monroe 
    C: Drummond    

    Both teams would increase their wins according to the John Hollinger PER ratings.  This would be a team that would be able to start being a major contender in the East and in the league.  

    What do the people think?

    • Jan 25, 201312:57 pm
      by tarsier

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      I think the GSW front office would deafen you with their collective laughter. Klay Thompson clearly has way more value than Stuckey. Also, Jack has tremendous value to the Warriors where he would have none to the Pistons. Finally, the Warriors are kicking ass this season. Why would they gamble away a recipe that works for what would be highly improbable to be any more than a lateral move?

  • Jan 25, 201311:04 am
    by M Boyd

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    Used the ESPN Insider NBA trade machine, and this is a trade that would benefit both sides.  We would trade Stuckey for Klay Thompson and Jarrett Jack.  We get a shooter and then draft Bennett (SF) in the draft.  
    PG: BK7SG: Klay ThompsonSF: BennettPF: Greg Monroe C: Drummond    
    Both teams would increase their wins according to the John Hollinger PER ratings.  This would be a team that would be able to start being a major contender in the East and in the league.  
    What do the people think?

     

  • Jan 25, 20131:39 pm
    by Big Rick

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    Jarrett Jack would have decent value with us. He can run an offense probably better than any guard on our team. But I do agree that Golden State would never do that deal. Probably not even a 1 for 1 deal for Stuckey And Jack straight up. Knight put together a few good games after that forgettable game in London, but that still doesn’t decrease our need for a point guard. I think he is highly overrated especially by us Piston fans.

    • Jan 25, 20132:43 pm
      by tarsier

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      Jack might improve this team…right now. But that still represents no value to the Pistons for whom this is a lost season. Playmakers of Jack’s caliber are readily available every offsesason if it were determined that one would be beneficial to Detroit for next season.

      So when I say Jack would have no value to the Pistons, I mean it in the same way that Max and Prince have no value.

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