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Jazz turn up second half defense, Pistons blow 15-point lead in loss

Utah Jazz 90 Final

Recap | Box Score

87 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 26 MIN | 2-5 FG | 3-4 FT | 6 REB | 3 AST | 7 PTS | +10Maxiell was pretty average, although he did block three shots in 26 minutes. The team had several defensive problems up front. Although Maxiell didn’t play great defensively, he was far from the main culprit.
Tayshaun Prince, SF 33 MIN | 3-8 FG | 2-2 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 8 PTS | +1Like Maxiell, Prince was pretty painfully average tonight. He didn’t have an awful game, but he missed a couple of short jumpers in the second half that he typically makes.
Kyle Singler, SF 20 MIN | 2-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 4 PTS | +2At the risk of being repetitive, Singler was also about as average as it gets tonight. His defense wasn’t great, wasn’t awful. Offensively, he wasn’t much of a factor, although he did make both of this shot attempts.
Greg Monroe, C 32 MIN | 6-9 FG | 0-0 FT | 11 REB | 3 AST | 12 PTS | 0Monroe did some things OK — he shot well, he rebounded, he got on the offensive glass. And although Al Jefferson, in particular, bullied anyone Detroit put on him, Monroe at the very least tried to be physical defensively. But his seven turnovers were killers. I don’t blame him for all of them — in the third quarter, Utah just collapsed basically all of their defenders on Monroe every time he touched the ball inside because they weren’t scared of the perimeter shooters Detroit had on the floor. Monroe made a few sloppy passes, but I would say three or four of those turnovers weren’t his fault.
Brandon Knight, PG 35 MIN | 7-16 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 16 PTS | -1Knight only had one assist, but he also only had two turnovers. He missed a couple of open 3-pointers, but tonight, he was the best of a very mediocre starting lineup. I would’ve given Knight a B if he didn’t take one of the stupidest shots of the season so far, launching a 3-pointer from like five feet behind the 3-point line with nine seconds still remaining on the shot clock in the third quarter.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 16 MIN | 1-5 FG | 1-3 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 4 PTS | -11Villanueva didn’t shoot well and, unlike in most of the other games he’s played since re-entering the rotation, he didn’t do much else to help the team when he was on the court.
Austin Daye, PF 15 MIN | 1-3 FG | 2-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 5 PTS | -4Daye also didn’t shoot particularly well, but he did block two shots. His length makes him a very interesting player off the bench when he’s confident — he can’t guard perimeter players regularly, but those long arms allow him to block shots and recover even on the times he gets beat off the dribble.
Andre Drummond, C 21 MIN | 4-5 FG | 1-4 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS | -5This was Drummond’s worst game in quite some time. He still contributed — including a great leaping steal while back-pedaling that I’m still not sure how he caught, followed by a dive to the floor and a timeout call to save the possession for the Pistons — but when Jefferson started abusing the Pistons inside in the second half, not even Drummond could, the team’s best interior defender, could do much to slow him down.
Will Bynum, PG 19 MIN | 6-6 FG | 1-2 FT | 0 REB | 4 AST | 13 PTS | 0With the Pistons down by nine, Bynum scored six points in the final two minutes to, once again, propel the Pistons back into a game that looked to be over. I was more impressed by Bynum’s three steals and zero turnovers, however.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 22 MIN | 2-6 FG | 3-4 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 9 PTS | -7File Stuckey among the ‘painfully average’ group listed above in the starting lineup. He didn’t do anything — other than a really awkward looking turnaround jumper attempt where he had a man in his face and didn’t even look like he could see the rim when he turned — that qualifies as awful, but he didn’t really do much positive in this game either.
Lawrence FrankThe Pistons looked great early, but with the offense sputtering after Utah got way more aggressive on defense in the third quarter, Frank was late to go back to his bench. The Jazz were trapping Monroe, and I thought if Frank had put Villanueva or Daye (or both) into the game, it may have stopped Utah from being able to send so many defenders at Monroe. The fact that several of his players were kind of no-shows tonight didn’t really help matters either though.

41 Comments

  • Jan 12, 201310:26 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Our advantage was at the guard spots…ALL GAME!…Bynum showed that at he end of the game…
    We played into Utah hands when we were trying to pound it inside… they have 4 athletic strong and long bigs … but they have very poor guards on the defensive, and alought they have size up front, they are not known for shot blocking…
    Not going to put it all on frank put thats a simple adjustment…
    put the ball in Knight, Stuckey, or Bynum hands and make Utah defend speedy guards… 

  • Jan 12, 201310:35 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    What I would like to see… P.S.A

    PUT THE BALL IN KNIGHTS HAND! allow him to run a two man game with Monroe….

    STOP MAKING KNIGHT a Spot up Shooter…..

    ADJUST the Offense to Knight Strengths….

    • Jan 12, 201310:46 pm
      by Stuckey and Whoever

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      Thats what I hate about the offense, Frank wants this team to play like the spurs and have everyone be a spot up shooter.  We have some people who can shoot, but that shouldn’t be our staple as a team.

      • Jan 12, 201310:53 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        im not saying Knight is our savior…but we are not playing a smart game….just because we win, doesnt mean its always a good thing…

        Knight development is more important, and taking the ball out of his hands isnt help, especially after the game he had last night…

        He should be the first option as a Decision maker with the ball..and as the game develops and he is not playing well you then adjust

         

        • Jan 13, 20139:05 pm
          by tarsier

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          It may turn out that long-term, Knight is better suited as primarily a spot up shooter. And if a PG is added to the roster for next season, maybe it is more important that he handle the ball for his development instead of Knight.

          But RIGHT NOW, Knight should be the primary ball handler because if he can develop more skills for that role, it will represent his greatest opportunity for upside. The Pistons owe it to themselves to at least enable that possibility.

          It’s not like they’re making the playoffs this year anyway. They would probably need to go, at the very least, 26-18 the rest of the way. That’s Denver/Brooklyn/Atlanta/Chicago/Indiana caliber play.

  • Jan 12, 201310:35 pm
    by sevan

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    when is Drummond going to start? I think Drummond Starting would solve all our problems.

  • Jan 12, 201310:42 pm
    by Venice

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    Hey Pat, correct me if I’m wrong. I heard that the new CBA punish the teams that exceeded the luxury line. Do you think we have the chance to pry away Wade this season or this upcoming offseason? This game shows that we badly need a shot creator and closer for this team. Given that Wade is the oldest among the Big 3 thus, making him the most injury prone. Make Kander work with his magic and make Wade durable like what we did with TMAC.

    • Jan 12, 201311:49 pm
      by Tiko

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      lol

    • Jan 13, 201312:15 am
      by Jodi Jezz

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      Lol, lol…

    • Jan 13, 20139:05 pm
      by tarsier

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      No, the most likely team in the league to win it all has no reason to mess with their incredible core.

  • Jan 12, 201310:50 pm
    by Stuckey and Whoever

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    I will give the Jazz some small amount of credit.  Utah shouldn’t even have a team for crying out loud..none the less does a team who is way under .500 really get cocky after they build a lead like that?!  Craziness especially on your home court.  Forget about this game please.

  • Jan 12, 201310:54 pm
    by MrCarter

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    As always, Utah owns us. Lost 14 of our last 15 games against them. Pathetic!! And someone please remind Brandon Knight that Point Gaurds are supposed to know what a “pass” is.

    • Jan 12, 201311:02 pm
      by Jodi Jezz

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      Knight passes the ball but his teammates usually misses their shot…It’s also hard to record assists when he doesn’t have a decent SG playing next to him…

      • Jan 12, 201311:12 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        How our Offensive Runs…

        Knight bring the ball pass half court…. Passes it to Prince.. Knight Runs around a Screen and ends behind the 3 point line…. at this Stage Prince has passed the ball to Monroe…IF Monroe is Trapped on Knight Side of the floor..he kicks it to Knight with about 3-5 seconds on the clock…..

        That is NOT allowing Knight to play his game 

        • Jan 13, 20131:06 am
          by Javell

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          i love u man no homo…. But i been saying this all season tashaun slows everything down and messes everything up! Im not saying run the offense thru bknight but at least give him a chance to be a Pg…… He dont have the ball for 3 secs at least… And i love the bench but………drummond needs to start! Idk how raw he is….at this point hes grown enought!

      • Jan 13, 20139:15 pm
        by tarsier

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        That’s not really true. The vast majority of the PGs in this league don’t have a decent SG next to them. In fact, I’d probably say that a recent influx of good big men has made SG the weakest position in the league. There’s Kobe, Wade, and Harden. Then Gordon, Ginobili, Thompson, Johnson, and Martin. Then there is a steep, steep drop to the likes of Mayo, Allen, Evans, Turner, Bellinelli, Stuckey, and other random interchangable guys. So really, I would say only 8 PGs in the league play next to good SGs.

        And every PG “loses” a ton of assists because his teammates don’t hit their shots. The better ones get their teammates easy enough shots that that won’t happen as often. The Pistons are right smack dab in the middle of the league in terms of FG%. So that is really not a valid excuse for Knight to not rack up assists. He’s just not that good a PG yet. Hopefully, he’ll get better.

    • Jan 13, 201312:09 am
      by Venice

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      Instead of trying to become a douche ,how about trying to stop looking for things to make people bad and help. Sooner or later they will break the big 3 because their owner can’t pay all that money.

      • Jan 13, 201312:10 am
        by Venice

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        My bad this was supposed to be a reply to Tiko.

      • Jan 13, 20139:19 pm
        by tarsier

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        Why can’t he pay all that money? They bring in plenty of fans because they are really good and they get extra playoff revenue. And their payroll doesn’t need to be absurdly high because nobody other than the superstars needs a big paycheck. The only other highly paid players are Haslem and Miller and neither is a major contributor. If they need to cut money off the payroll, those are the guys they’ll move.

        Contrary to popular opinion, for a contending team, superstars are cheap. It’s talented role players that cost a ton because you need so many more of them. That’s why the championship Mavs had a much higher payroll than the championship Heat.

  • Jan 12, 201311:07 pm
    by menten

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    please trade this soft bum monroe for cousins. at least he can put the ball in the hole

    • Jan 13, 20131:07 am
      by Javell

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      Cousins is ass!

    • Jan 13, 20135:18 am
      by smellman

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      i’d take Monroe any day, bugger cousins he should grow up

  • Jan 13, 20131:10 am
    by Javell

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    Greg brandon and drummond all need 25-30mins agame! Its time to mature….were not theDenver    nuggets orMemphis   grizzles ….we have our young core! RuN offense thru them

  • Jan 13, 20131:10 am
    by Prelove

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    stuckey-effect. guy is such a cancer. fed up with his bullshit the last 6 years

    • Jan 13, 20131:52 am
      by Jodi Jezz

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      I’m slowing starting to think we should trade him…

    • Jan 13, 20139:23 pm
      by tarsier

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      He’s not an amazing player. And he has never taken the leap forward that fans have hoped for year after year. But he is not particularly overpaid. And he has come to be one of the more consistent players on the team (although he has about a month each year in which eh is really good and about a month in which he is really bad). How is he a cancer exactly? I’d be fine with trading Stuckey if there was a decent return. But he brings a skillset to the table that nobody else on the team has. And unlike Prince and Max, eh won’t necessarily be trending downward by the time the Pistons can return to relevance.

  • Jan 13, 20136:37 am
    by piston moribund

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    Geez, someone get some lithium.  upcoming schedule is rather unkind.  3-7  at the very best.  Although 0-10 is not entirely out of the realm of possibility.  Looking forward to getting spanked by the Heat.  Trade everyone while you still can Joe, except DRE.

  • Jan 13, 20136:43 am
    by Serge Geara

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    when will be real close to the playoffs????

  • Jan 13, 201310:11 am
    by MitchEPooh

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    Whenthe wheels start to come off, Frank is too slow to make a move. Or afraid to. Or incapable of conceiving a solution. Worst bench coach ever not named Rothstein.

  • Jan 13, 201311:17 am
    by Vic

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    Need a real pg that can manage the game without just heating up on offense once every few games. A steady game managing pg that can get multiple players involved when he doesn’t score 30.

  • Jan 13, 201311:47 am
    by Big Rick

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    Yep! Very winnable game. Our guards should have exploited Utah’s backcourt more. Al Jefferson is underrated and probably the 2nd most skilled big man in the post behind Paul Gasol. That being said; he is a an absolute BEAST for anyone to guard on the low block. 

  • Jan 13, 20132:37 pm
    by D. Stewart

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    One night after Monroe and Knight have a 46 point, 1 turn-over game between them, they follow it up with 28 points and 9 turn-overs. Inconsistency … you can’t win on a regular basis in the NBA when your two best players are so consistently inconsistent. Throw in Bynum, Stuckey, Villenueva and Daye who shoot lights out one night and can’t hit a barn with a bulldozer the next, and there’s our problem in a nut-shell. About the only Piston who produces consistent numbers across the board every night is Andre Drummond and we can’t seem to convince Frank to give him enough minutes to make a difference.

    • Jan 13, 20134:12 pm
      by Vic

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      Agreed. Pistons need someone that can manage a game and produce whether theyre hot or not. 

      I just watched Trey Burke bring Michigan back to within 2 points after almost getting blown out by Ohio state. He did it with no post presence and his wings were missing all their shots. He did it all with game management – having more than one speed, knowing how to slow the game down, cut the turnovers, and then run when you have opportunity. Those are things a coach can’t do because it takes someone who is on the floor handling the ball.

    • Jan 13, 20134:16 pm
      by tarsier

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      The Pistons’ two best players are Monroe and Drummond, not Monroe and Knight. Knight may or may not be one of the Pistons’ five best players.

  • Jan 13, 20134:56 pm
    by tarsier

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    Man, Piston fans are as down on Monroe as Philly fans were on Iggy. What’s up with that? Just because your best player isn’t as good as you hoped he’d be doesn’t mean he’s bad or anything less than a wonderful piece to have in your team’s core.

    • Jan 13, 20135:02 pm
      by Vic

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      I’m not down on Monroe at all, I just think he needs a pg that can manage a game and get his team going better than he can

      • Jan 13, 20139:24 pm
        by tarsier

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        Not necessarily everyone. But there have been so many comments on PP lately about what a bum  Monroe is and how Detroit should trade him. It’s mind blowing. Just a year ago, this man was the only thing good about the Pistons.

        • Jan 14, 201312:38 am
          by Mrshourite

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          Naw, I don’t think Monroe is a bum but obviously there is a reason that Coach Frank doesn’t play him with Drummond for consistent long stretches. Maybe one or some of their weaknesses will be exposed, I don’t know. But as a Piston Fan; as well as a Monroe and Dummond fan speaking….if you could trade one of the two and get a star of equal or greater value and potential better roster fit, then who would you prefer to trade? Who would you prefer to keep and build around? I think Greg has some very quick hands, sees the floor well, and has a developing post game, is a good rebounder… but as we saw last night can be turnover prone and at times has a tendency to play kind of “soft” and play to the officials instead of making a basketball play. Skilled big man who often relies on finess and plays smaller than 6’11 sometimes. Can be kind of annoying hearing him yell every time he touches the ball and then proceed to whining to the refs. I know he’know Rick Mahorn, but my wish list before this season started was for Moose to toughen up a little bit and play with a chip on his shoulder. Just my observations though. 

          With that being said….
          I do think that we are in a good spot having two very talented big men in Monroe and Drummond. Just think this time last year quite a few of us were privately and publicly hoping for a miraculous return and signing of another more fragile Greg (Oden). So I do remember and I appreciate our position now compared to yesterday. 

          I am and will always be open to improving our team, and the only untouchable I see right now using Drummond. Monroe is nearly untouchable IMO.  

          • Jan 14, 20131:02 am
            by tarsier

            But why would you expect anyone to be a better roster fit? You typically want two big men on the court at a time. And it’s not like the Pistons just have extra quality bigs sitting around, especially since there should be a good chance Max is done in Detroit after this season.

            If we knew the Pistons were going to sign Jefferson or Millsap or Smoove or some other big in the offseason, then maybe. But there are still precious few players I’d give up Monroe for. Certainly not Gay. Maybe Paul George. But there’s not a very long list of players I’d rather have on this team than Monroe. And most to all of them (LeBron, Durant, CP3, Irving, Harden, Davis…) are totally unavailable. 

  • Jan 13, 20139:13 pm
    by apa8ren9

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    Looks like Favors is developing nicely in Utah.  I thought it odd that he was traded so soon as the #2 pick without the customary “baggage” (ala Beasley) or at least no baggage I heard of.   Utah out toughed us on this one and we did not play to our strengths that got us the lead.  A winnable game that we let get away.  I did like the way the Pistons competed till the end.  I never thought we would win this game to begin with but, the Pistons have to play with more consistency maintaining and putting teams away.  Im not saying anything new, but everyone can do better.
     

    • Jan 13, 20139:27 pm
      by tarsier

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      He wasn’t traded in a dump of a disappointment. He was traded as the centerpiece of a package for a guy who appeared to be a superstar. Williams has proven that is not really the case since moving to the Nets, but that’s neither here nor there. Favors was traded because he was insanely valuable, not because of doubts about his value.

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