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Greg Monroe joins LeBron James and Dwayne Wade in playing like a superstar, Pistons routed by Heat

Detroit Pistons 88 Final
Recap | Box Score
110 Miami Heat
Jason Maxiell, PF 19 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -4

Maxiell was basically non-existent. Don’t get me wrong. Maxiell has plenty of quality performances. But he’s much more prone to these types of games than Andre Drummond is.

Tayshaun Prince, SF 29 MIN | 3-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 2 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 8 PTS | -15

Prince handled the ball against Miami’s aggressive defense a bit more than he would if he were playing with a better point guard, but that doesn’t completely excuse his three turnovers. Prince was too sloppy with the ball and didn’t do enough to offset that.

Kyle Singler, SF 21 MIN | 1-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 3 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 2 PTS | -15

Did not get buckets.

Greg Monroe, C 34 MIN | 12-17 FG | 7-8 FT | 12 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 31 PTS | -10

This was an offensive masterpiece for a big man. Post-up, hook, runner, transition, mid-range jumper – Monroe scored every way he’s capable. He had no assists for the first time in 13 games and just the third time this season, but that was A-OK tonight. The Heat’s defense is particularly strong on the wings and Monroe was the Pistons’ best option – by far. At one point, he grabbed a rebound and took the ball all the way in for a goaltended basket. It wasn’t really a transition opportunity, but Monroe keeping the ball himself was Detroit’s best option.

Brandon Knight, PG 28 MIN | 4-7 FG | 1-3 FT | 0 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 9 PTS | -16

Three turnovers in 28 minutes are only slightly above his season average, but these three were as ugly as they get. Knight is 0-for-7 on 3-pointers in his last two games, but I’d chalk that up to a small sample more than anything else.

Jonas Jerebko, PF 4 MIN | 0-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | -4

Jerebko played! He didn’t do anything, but at least he played, which even in blowouts, has rarely happened lately. If and when he returns to the rotation shouldn’t be determined by his performance in these garbage minutes, and I doubt it will be.

Andre Drummond, C 25 MIN | 3-6 FG | 0-2 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 3 STL | 2 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | -13

Drummond stole the ball from Dwyane Wade on back-to-back possessions. He took the first, raced up court and dunked. He was on his way for another fastbreak basket on the second when he was fouled. Just two flat-out awesome plays.

Rodney Stuckey, PG 25 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-2 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 4 PTS | -2

In his last seven games, Stuckey is shooting 20-for-58. He’s in a rut.

Lawrence Frank

The following two sentences are related. The Heat had 12 steals and an offensive rating of 141.7 on the ensuing possessions. The Heat have LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. Miami has much better players than Detroit, and there’s nothing Frank can do about that. I won’t pretend this was a well-coached game, but Frank couldn’t have changed much. At least the ball kept going to Monroe.

34 Comments

  • Jan 26, 201312:42 am
    by sloppy joe

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    Finally noticed Moose is taking those mid range jumpers.  Had all the post moves working as well.  As special K mentioned during the broadcast, when Monroe is able to match up with these power forward type guys (like bosh is) he is able to have his way offensively.  He will be even better once Drummond is starting at center and he can consistently match up with these guys.  He just needs to stay in front of them defensively.

    • Jan 26, 201312:46 am
      by Mone

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      At this point, there is really no reason for Drummond to not be starting… 

      • Jan 26, 20131:29 am
        by Jordan

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        There are three legitimate reasons why Drummond isn’t starting, neither of which are Maxiell is a better player but are valid regardless.

        1) Drummond works better in space. The bench unit has far better spacing. The Pistons article up on Grantland is a good read about our spacing.

        2) Bringing him along slowly, keeping pressure off of him, etc.

        3) Better draft pick positioning. We probably don’t make the playoffs regardless so there’s not much to gain. We’re trending towards playoffs next year (fingers crossed) and that is something to be happy about. 

        • Jan 26, 20139:36 am
          by I HATE FRANK

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          Drummond needs to start…earlier on I got it….but now there no excuse for him not to start….

        • Jan 26, 20132:29 pm
          by Herman Neutic

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          Excellent points, Jordon, which were true in the beginning of the year and continue to be so.

  • Jan 26, 201312:45 am
    by Mone

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    Where is Daye’s grade? He played pretty good today…. 

     

  • Jan 26, 201312:49 am
    by Jayknowsball

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    J-max’s 2points and 2rebounds is just plain unacceptable for a starter, i was extremely excited to see JJ and English get to play hopefully a sign of things to come….look at it this way the lakers are a only 1 or 2 games ahead of us , not that it matters I just wanted to throw them under the bus as well 

  • Jan 26, 20132:07 am
    by Brigs

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    Idk if I can remember a player more inconsistent then stuckey. His whole career has been a huge wacky rollercoaster ride that never ends good for the pistons And the worst is that bk7 looks like he could be just as bad. 

    • Jan 26, 20132:31 pm
      by D-Tove

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      BK can run the point, has a better outside shot, is more athletic, and has huge ears.  Stuckey is terrible.  I hate watching him play basketball.  Please, give him away for 2 cents on the dollar.

  • Jan 26, 20134:15 am
    by Trent

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    Let’s be honest here. There is no one on the roster apart from Knight, Monroe and Dre that are untradable. With this being said we have some high earners with expiring contracts, we have mid-level earners that could be solid role players and we also have some cheap, young guys that show some upside. My point being is that we (joe D) should be quite vocal about being a 3rd party trade team. In terms of contracts we have diversity and can offer ourselves as a facilitators for contenders trying to fix the right deal. We can offload some junk and axquire some nice additional pieces. Imagine dwight to NJ and we could pick up a marshon brooks or Tyshawn Taylor and offload someone like JJ or Max. I think it is something that i worth looking in to and something worth being vocal about because as it stands we are going to be stuck in the “just below .500″ bracket for a while to come. We need to be aggressive and actively work to grow instead of adding 1 decent first rounder each year!

    • Jan 26, 20137:52 am
      by Steve K

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      Knight is certainly tradeable. Monroe too — in the right deal. 

      I’m pretty surprised that max is still on the team. He’s played well this season, and, with his expiring deal, he should have some trade value. Perhaps that’s just more evidence how much joe has changed since his wheeling/dealing days.  

      • Jan 26, 20139:50 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        The future of our team next year will be…. 20,21,and 23….

        You dont trade that unless you are getting players in that same age range…and potential level..

        Truth is:

        21yo Knight Potential is 16-18ppg 7ast 4rebs and good defender

        23yo Monroe Potential is 20ppg 10+ rebounds…at PF

        20yo Drummond 13-15ppg 13-15rebs 3-4blks …Game changer

         

      • Jan 26, 20139:51 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        The future of our team next year will be…. 20,21,and 23….

        You dont trade that unless you are getting players in that same age range…and potential level..

        Truth is:

        21yo Knight Potential is 16-18ppg 7ast 4rebs and good defender

        23yo Monroe Potential is 20ppg 10+ rebounds…at PF

        20yo Drummond 13-15ppg 13-15rebs 3-4blks …Game changer..

         

  • Jan 26, 20138:10 am
    by EMan

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    These are most definitely not the Bad Boys Pistons. They need a significant Attitude Adjustment if they want to move to the next level. Wade was just laughing at them at the 2nd quarter. I know the league’s outlawed a lot of the rough play, but all I kept thinking whenever he drove to the basket for an easy score was Mahorn’s “no free chili” mantra.

    Wouldn’t that be fun if we got Mahorn, Laimbeer, Rasheed Wallace, heck, even Isiah Thomas on the coaching staff? I don’t care if we ever win a game, as long as we play with Attitude.

    All the champion Pistons teams had Attitude. 

    • Jan 26, 20132:58 pm
      by Herman Neutic

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      I’d prefer a Chauncey type attitude myself. Ben Wallace, too. It’s rare, but as long as a team is being built, why not factor it in? Play hard and with good sportsmanship. 

  • Jan 26, 20139:33 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    The offense looked great early…with Knight running the PG spot…but then He had the early foul trouble, and by time he came back into the game…it was all in favor of the heat…

    Knight was probably more of a C+

    I said it before and I will say it again, again…Frank coaches like a robot he does not understand the flow of the game…. he should have kept Monroe in the game …when he went out and Knight went out the offense shut down

  • Jan 26, 20139:55 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Would love for us to work a trade where we land Austin Rivers…sorry I believe in that kid…

    • Jan 26, 201310:03 am
      by MNM

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      It’s official..  Your insane.

    • Jan 26, 201311:36 am
      by Vic

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      No comment. I’ll still respect your opinion on Big men, but you have just lost all cache on guard play. You are officially the big man coach of Pistonpowered lol

      • Jan 27, 201310:33 am
        by apa8ren9

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        @I hate Frank.  You have provided lots of keen insight and posts, but that statement cannot be allowed to stand.  LOL.  I was emotional and upset that Lebron and Wade were toying with us.  But I could never get THAT emotional to even begin to think that Austin Rivers is a viable option

  • Jan 26, 201310:16 am
    by bugsygod

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    I think this game showed that Monroe is very capable of handling the 4 spot against stretch 4′s, since that is the only way that miami plays.  Miami is one of the smaller teams in the league and Monroe just abused them down low.  GREAT TO SEE THAT.  Maybe Frank will be less concerned with that transition going forward.   Hell maybe the Pistons can reverse the small ball trend and make teams go Big when they play us!  Would like to see Monroe’s minutes increase as well, he’s only getting 33mins a game, would like to see that bump up to 36-37mins.  All the top teams play there guys major minutes, why not us?
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    Drummond, Drummond, Drummond how do i love thee let me count the ways….1.  He makes plays that only maybe a couple players can make in the entire league.  He is Great.  2. He changes the games, everytime he comes in.  Teams have to account for him on both ends.  He is a great finisher and great Rim protector.  3.  The enthusiasm and energy he brings to the games is just incredible, it seems we always turn up a notch when he comes in. 
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    So max gets 2pts 2rbs, while Drummond has NEVER had that poor of game.  Go ahead look at Drummonds stats this year, nothing, nothing that low.  Frustraing as hell he cant get more time..smh. 
    Everygame it just seems we start at a disadvantage with a undersized big man in max.  I just watch the beginning of the game waiting for that 3-2min left in the 1st q mark, knowing that Drummond is coming in and we can start really playing.  Im not trying to knock Max too much, because he does provide a physical presence and a F U attitude which i defintly like.  But he can do that in less mintues coming off the bench??? 
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    Finally,  The ONLY positive i get of Drummond not starting and getting low mintues, HE WILL BE HUNGRY AS HELL for minutes going forward. Frank has him on such a short leash, miss assignment….coming out, dont block out…coming out, make a mistake…coming out.   Drummond will appreciate EVERY minute he gets.  This is probably the first time in his life he is not starting and getting major mintues. 
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    Finally, Finally, have seen some suggest that Drummonds production will go down with more minutes, but in the 2 games over 30 mintues,  16/12, 15/12.  So can we just see if he can continue to produce at a high level over more mintues??  Please unflexible coach frank, Please. 

  • Jan 26, 201310:21 am
    by jljbird

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    Wow, even you have given up grading Villenueva and Daye.  Just to help you out, CV F, Daye D+.

    Joe, figure out a way to not have either of these guys on our team next year.  Pass on Daye’s qualifying offer and buyout CV’s player option before you are forced to amnesty him.   

  • Jan 26, 201311:08 am
    by Piston Truth

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    Man I try to step away from this site but damn its the same thing  evrytime why they dont start drummond and why maxiel even a factor on this team. looks like Charlie V and Austin Daye back to riding that good ol pine whatever man im ready for next year when we will have a decent pick, release this garbage and we will have more money to get a player.

  • Jan 26, 201311:16 am
    by M Boyd

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    I have been a fan of this website and post game grades for a while now, but what I have seen as a trend is the constant bias toward BK7.  It seems like no matter what he does he can’t get a good grade.  Knight’s performance does not warrant the D+ grade given to him.  He did not play great, but when your playing the defending champs I would say that this was a good performance.  @Ihatefrank is right with the Knight deserving a C+. Knight is not CP3 or Kyrie Irving, even if Kyrie was in the same draft as him.  

    Am I the only one who thinks this or do others feel the same?  

  • Jan 26, 201311:43 am
    by Vic

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    Quote from esPn

    http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=truehoop&id=53963
     While Frank recognizes the duo’s potential, he’s fully aware that they need to endure the inevitable growing pains. On the season, the Drummond-Monroe tandem has seen the court an average of 6.5 minutes per game, but that’s up to 8.5 minutes in the month of January heading into Friday’s game. And it’s getting positive results. In the 85 minutes this month with those two on the floor, the Pistons have outscored opponents by 23 points. So far, so good. 

    But in a league that increasingly embraces small-ball, Frank has a dilemma on his hands. On Friday, he called it “a game of chicken.” Should he play Drummond-Monroe together and risk getting beat by quicker players? The Pistons played the Heat even point-for-point when the two played together, but lost by 15 in the few minutes that Charlie Villanueva, not Monroe, played alongside Drummond. ”"

    So basically, the kid can stay in front of DWade, but how do we play him against small ball rotations?
    Monroe and Drummond do well together, but how do we know they’ll do well together?

    In other words… How long can we keep this asecret before our cover is blown and we lose our draft pick by playing  our surprise superstar too much?

    • Jan 26, 201311:54 am
      by DG

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      Shut up.  Be very quiet.  I want Trey Burke, too.  The Pistons do need one more quality pick to be contenders again.

    • Jan 26, 20132:33 pm
      by Mark

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      This small-ball excuse needs to stop. They drafted 2 true bigs with the intent of playing big. So either play big all the time, or trade one of them for a stretch 4 and play small ball. This waffling back/forth in games is not going to get them anywhere. Pick an identity and embrace it.

      All the talk about seeing the plan through and not wavering game by game, yet thats exactly what they are doing. The original plan was to get 2 true bigs and play big. But as soon as a team goes small, that original plan is suddenly null and void. They can’t keep messing around like that. Either go big or go small.

      This issue is going to go away on its own. Dre and Moose aren’t going anywhere, and there’s always going to be small teams. They invested 2 lotto picks on Dre and Moose, so eventually they have to play big min together. I don’t see whats going to change next year. Might as well just start the process now, or make a decision that it doesn’t work and move on.

      The fact that Drummond has displayed ability to guard perimeter players, evident by last nights defense on Wade, as well as the GW 3pt block on Lou Williams, the answer to the problem is simple. You just put Drummond on the perimeter 4, if teams elect to go small, and let Monroe guard the Center. Then switch on offense.

      • Jan 26, 20132:35 pm
        by Mark

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        *This issue is NOT going to go away on its own

      • Jan 26, 20133:05 pm
        by bugsygod

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        Round of Applause!

      • Jan 26, 20133:10 pm
        by Vic

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        Exactly! Tell me Drummond can’t check Lebron, Carmelo, or Durant? This guy gets a perimeter stickup every game

    • Jan 26, 20132:43 pm
      by Herman Neutic

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      Vic, DG, and Jordan, thanks for pointing out the forest from the trees.

  • Jan 26, 201311:52 am
    by DG

    Reply

    Sure there is some writer bias.  What’s the problem?  He is just putting forth his OPINION like everybody else on this blog.  Either read it or not.  Your choice.  Just don’t expect the opinions put forth here to be truly objective.  He’s trying to start a conversation.

  • Jan 26, 20134:31 pm
    by Crispus

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    I guess I only catch Monroe’s horrible games and miss his good ones so I have distorted opinion of him. Still, I don’t see how any Piston can get an A+ in a 22 point loss. An A should be the cap for a losing effort unless the player scores 50 or keeps the game close until the end.
     
    Didn’t we beat the Heat before?

    • Jan 27, 201310:44 am
      by apa8ren9

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      Monroe did really have it going tonight.  He has skills but I can understand the growing pains issue.  He is capable of shooting right and left hand hooks from about 5-7 feet but doesnt do it every game.  He can shoot midrange jumpers but is hesitant and when that happens it usually results in a turnover or one of those wild across the lane bricks.  Against the heat he had it all working, left, right and the jumper.  Lebron and Wade took it to another level and the Pistons just had to watch their asses get kicked without being able to do anything about it.

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