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Greg Monroe, Andre Drummond lead Pistons over Celtics, up in playoff in race

Boston Celtics 88 Final
Recap | Box Score
103 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 24 MIN | 2-4 FG | 2-2 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 4 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | +7

Leave it to the ancient Celtics to make Maxiell look spry while blocking four shots.

Tayshaun Prince, SF 38 MIN | 6-13 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 14 PTS | +16

Prince’s shot selection skewed a bit too far outside, but at least he was effective closer to the basket.

Kyle Singler, SF 35 MIN | 4-11 FG | 3-3 FT | 8 REB | 5 AST | 3 STL | 1 BLK | 3 TO | 13 PTS | +14

Singler was all kinds of active tonight, and though that led to a few miscues, he helped much more than he didn’t. There was a reason Lawrence Frank barely took him off the court.

Greg Monroe, C 38 MIN | 6-12 FG | 3-4 FT | 11 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 15 PTS | +22

This is Monroe’s fifth straight double-double, and he was one rebound from that streak hitting nine. Monroe never dominated tonight, but he was solid throughout.

Brandon Knight, PG 31 MIN | 5-12 FG | 3-6 FT | 6 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 7 TO | 15 PTS | +14

Knight played well overall, but he was way too sloppy with the ball. Seven turnovers match a career high. Not all of them were his fault, but that’s true for most point guards in most games.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 8 MIN | 2-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 6 PTS | -4

He didn’t play much, but he scored efficiently while he was on the court.

Austin Daye, PF 4 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 0 PTS | -3

He played even less than Villanueva. Is Jonas Jerebko nearing a return to the rotation?

Andre Drummond, C 20 MIN | 5-6 FG | 6-8 FT | 7 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 0 TO | 16 PTS | +2

Drummond was an alley-oop machine the Celtics couldn’t stop. So, they tried fouling him, but he made his free throws. Drummond’s presence confounded Boston and freed other Pistons for quality looks.

Will Bynum, PG 21 MIN | 5-12 FG | 5-8 FT | 2 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 15 PTS | +4

I just love watching Bynum when he’s playing well. He was in control tonight. Throwing alley-oops to Drummond, driving to the rim and pulling up for jumpers — Bynum did it all.

Rodney Stuckey, PG 20 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 3 PTS | +3

With Knight defending well, Bynum orchestrating the offense with poise and Singler hustling, there weren’t many minutes for Stuckey tonight.

Lawrence Frank

Monroe and Drummond played 10 minutes together, so that’s progress. Plus, Frank let Knight play through some rather large swings in production, and ultimately, that’s best for the franchise. Even if Knight is struggling right now, his progress is paramount.

34 Comments

  • Jan 20, 201310:31 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Knight also played Great defense on Rondo…

    Im not going to get on my defend Knight mode…

    I enjoyed his play and Singler play…

    at this stage Drummond no longer surprises me, I just dont think there nothing he can do that any other PF or Center can do in this league…next year if he gets the ball in the post and develops a jump hook, its over…
     

    • Jan 21, 201310:13 am
      by tarsier

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      It basically comes down to the fact that the Pistons can live with 7 Knight TOs when Rondo coughs it up 9 times.

  • Jan 20, 201310:33 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Knight also played Great defense on Rondo…

    Im not going to get on my defend Knight mode…

    I enjoyed his play and Singler play…

    at this stage Drummond no longer surprises me, I just dont think there nothing he can do that any other PF or Center can do in this league…next year if he gets the ball in the post and develops a jump hook, its over….
     

  • Jan 20, 201310:33 pm
    by Accelerator

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    Dan, who honestly is the Pistons best back court player?  Is it Bynomite?  Is BK7 better suited off the bench as a 2 guard?

  • Jan 20, 201310:44 pm
    by Javell

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    Bk7 had more freedom today…. Sure he had 7 TOs but he had freedom and i loved it…. U learn from experience…. So just let him do him…. He scores so well like this …. And i HATE TO SAY IT! but drummond need to come off the bench because him and bynum are so EXPLOSIVE TOGETHER 

  • Jan 20, 201310:51 pm
    by sb3

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    To be fair, Max’s slow footedness contributed to 2, and one TO also came when he turned his ankle thanks to Max’s foot. Dude played well, and his D on Rondo was key to getting the Celtics out of sync enough to allow them to build the initial double digit lead, not to mention getting Rondo in foul trouble; he drew at least 2 charge calls on him. Note that Rondo didn’t start racking up assists until the second quarter when Bynum guarded him.
     

    • Jan 20, 201310:56 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Thanks SB3….Im glad I didnt have to be the one that said it…

      And the last turnover was Lee playing extra aggressive… while Knight was trying to run out the clock,,,with no intention of scoring or advancing the ball… 

  • Jan 20, 201310:59 pm
    by gmehl

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    Did anyone hear the love we were getting from the Boston play-by-play?? The exact words were that ‘geez the Pistons are finally headed in the right direction and have 3 future cornerstones in Monroe, Drummond and Knight’. I like how they also said that they didn’t even know if CV was still in the league which followed with 2 quick CV 3s to spark a second quater run.

    • Jan 20, 201311:24 pm
      by Herman Neutic

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      Did the Boston announcers have anything to say about Lawrence Frank?

      • Jan 21, 201312:04 am
        by gmehl

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        Ha ha…you and i both know the answer to that one :-)

  • Jan 20, 201311:03 pm
    by Mone

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    Why is Daye only getting 4 minutes, but Singler is getting 35???? I would love to see those minutes go to Daye…. Also It’s pretty dumb to not be starting Drummond at this point.. Get Maxielle and Prince out the damn game, and give some of these young people some damn minutes… IE Daye, English, Drummond, Kravtsov…

    • Jan 20, 201311:07 pm
      by gmehl

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      It might have to do with the fact that Singler hustles on both ends of the floor. Yeah Singler is average but he gives effort in other areas when his shot isn’t falling. Once Daye starts doing those things then he will get more time rather than just spot minutes.

    • Jan 20, 201311:07 pm
      by sb3

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       Daye only got 4 minutes because he was playing horribly. 3 fouls, one a 3 point play, in 4 minutes. Singler played well today imo
       
       

    • Jan 21, 201311:10 am
      by STallionmaster

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      Daye only got 4 mintues because he fouls too much and if he isn’t scoring he just doesn’t do much.  He doesn’t seem like a very bright guy.  He doesn’t focus if his shot isn’t falling.  Singler always plays hard on both ends of the floor and what he lacks in physical talent he makes up for with great court awareness and basketball savvy the Day just doesn’t show consistently.  Daye could get more minutes if Prince were injued and he has shown great offensive effectiveness with mor minutes but he is just one dimensional.

  • Jan 20, 201311:21 pm
    by jacob

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    We are playing max and cv so we cant trade them. If we didn’t play them they wouldn’t be worth anything to anyone else. It lets other teams get a look. We still need a better sf or sg or both.

  • Jan 20, 201311:39 pm
    by Nick

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    Detroit is one playmaking SG away from being a playoff team. Knight will be a better PG once we get  a SG. I would prefer Marcus Smart if we are in the lottery, but if somehow we make the playoffs I would pay OJ Mayo with the cap space. Everyone thinks this draft is weak.The funny thing is they said the same thing about this past draft. I could remember some mock drafts had the pistons picking Lilliard around this time last yr.

    • Jan 21, 201312:11 am
      by jacob

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      Lilliard is great but drummond is just what we needed. There are probably 6  other GM’s that should be fired. That said if Joe D thinks we can make the playoffs, we should be looking to add talent with expiring contracts at the deadline. If not play Drummond more and try to tank it. Picking 12 13 14 will not help us.

      • Jan 21, 201312:31 am
        by gmehl

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        I think you have it all wrong Jacob. Drummond playing more will more than likely squeeze us into the playoffs.

        • Jan 21, 20131:23 am
          by jacob

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          Maybe, depends on who he plays with. We could trade away max and maggette for picks or better players. Joe D needs to decide what his plan is. Drummond is great just still too raw  by himself to lead us into the playoffs. I don’t think just by playing him more means making the playoffs. I was thinking instead of 20 mpg, more like 25.

    • Jan 21, 201312:29 am
      by gmehl

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      I think the shopping list is bigger than just a playmaking SG. I think Joe’s list looks something like this:

      SG that can actually shoot and spread the floor. This to me is where Joe should spend his FA money. OJ Mayo would be great but we just really need a flat out scorer.
      An athletic/defensive type SF. I am thinking someone in the mould of Trevor Ariza, Tony Allen, Mickael Petrius. The type of SF that can knock down 3s and lockdown the opposition SF.
      Veteran PG to lead the second unit.
      A coach to take the team to the next level. One that is quicker to adjust and has a better feel for who he has on his roster.

      This list doesn’t take into account if we amnesty CV or don’t end up resigning Maxiell and Daye. I wouldn’t be against brining Maxiell back at a cheap rate but i’m not so sure about Daye. We’ll just say that we’ll have plenty of holes to fill.

  • Jan 21, 201312:09 am
    by Quin

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    At this point, I would rather talk about Will Bynum as a key guard off the bench than Knight as a franchise cornerstone in the starting lineup. This is because I can confidently say that Bynum does a specific thing well .. he energizes the offense. I like Knight, but he’s all-around average. I think the Pistons should be willing to trade BK to build the team we desire.

  • Jan 21, 201312:12 am
    by Mrshourite

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    Knight had a decent game but it was way over due. I warn you guys not to get too geeked up after tonight’s performance. It was probably an emotional effort to redeem from that awful effort in London. Overall we need to take care of the ball better as a team. Good win tonight Pistons. 

  • Jan 21, 201312:13 am
    by TheDoctor

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    Nick, I totally agree! If we can get mayo or if monta ellis drops his player option in the offseason it would make this team that extra bit dynamic. Singler will be a very good role pLayer off the bench.
    Mayo and Ellis are both Great distributing thd ball almost 4 and 5 assists respectively. That will help even bk7 get some better looks. they both could drop 20 to 30 than any given night. either one of them would work out great. Mayo maybe the cheaper option though.
     

  • Jan 21, 20138:50 am
    by Bugsygod

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    Lawrence Frank should get an F for playing our best player only 20mins.  Dumb and crazy to think he is averaging less minutes then he was in December.  But you give frank a B+!     This could be a rookie of the year campaign, but the coach wont play the player more than 20mins!  Because drummond will get tired?  Because he will lose confidence playing so much?  What happened to playing the best players the most mintues?  In every measureable way Drummond is outperforming Max, but he still playes less minutes and comes off the bench.  Stick to the plan, Stick to the plan, HELL YOU HAVE TO ADJUST THE PLAN!….hELLO?!?  If you were not prepared for this and dont know how to handle the adjustment, then that shows why we have lost so many leads in the 4th q.  ADJUST LAWRENCE FRANK ADJUST!!

    • Jan 21, 20139:36 am
      by Clint in Flint

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      Amen, brother. I am a big fan of Joe D but he sure needs help when it comes to picking coaches. Why not offer Jeff VG 10 mill to take over the Pistons?  If CV got 10 mill last year then 10 mill for JVG would be a bargain.

      • Jan 21, 201310:20 am
        by tarsier

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        A) CV did not get $10M last year.

        B) Even if he did, that would just mean he is overpaid. JVG for $10M would still not be a bargain.
         
        C) I don’t really care what the Pistons pay their coach because it doesn’t affect their cap figure. But there is approximately a -300% chance that they employ a coach for 8 figures annually. 

        • Jan 21, 20132:24 pm
          by Clint in Flint

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          I agree you are right they won’t. They pay mediocre players ridiculous salaries but won’t pop for a winning coach.   I believe this team would have no problems making the playoffs if we had the correct coach. There are a few winning coaches and then there are the rest. When you hire second rate you get second rate coaching. I sure wish the Spurs would get tired of Pop and we could get him. The last 3 head coaches we hired are a bad joke and I love my Pistons. 

  • Jan 21, 20139:22 am
    by Craig

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    One note on the game tonight. I was there in person and had tickets on the floor. Charlie played a solid game except for one exception: his rushed 3 point attempt from 35 ft. out that he took. I swear he saw he was on the verge of being subbed out and launched the rock in order to pad some points. Others noticed it too and really gave him grief on his way to the bench.

  • Jan 21, 20139:59 am
    by Keith

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    If we are talking draft, the obvious ideal candidates would be Shabazz or McElmore. Both could be go-to scorers, both with range and the athleticism to defend. Landing either would turn us into a prime Triangle team. Shabazz/McElmore in the Kobe role, Monroe in the Gasol role, and Drummond in the Bynum role. We would hopefully end up with better balance between the three, but still, it’s an ideal use of our personnel.
     
    It turns Knight into primarily a spot up threat from three, whose passing isn’t stretched beyond it’s ability, and who can focus more on being a great defender consistently. It also marginalizes the SF position so Tay’s decline is masked, or so we can plug in a defender without messing up the offense.
     
    If we can’t get Shabazz or McElmore, Archie Goodwin is a big time scorer but with inconsistent range. Of the guys outside the top 5, he probably has the most potential to be a superstar.

  • Jan 21, 20136:29 pm
    by piston moribund

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    1.  Bullwinkle needs a jumper.  Watching him hold the ball 15ft from the net like a deer in headlights while the defense backs off him and dares him to shoot is painful.  He causes all kinds of problems when he does that and clogs the paint.  Thank god the Celtics are old and crap.  Not a star, No.2 option at best.  Trade him for K Love please.
    2.  The only reason Bynum appears to be effective is because he has the ball in his hands.  He doesn’t need to give it up to Bullwinkle or Prince so he is able to create which gives the appearance of point guardiness.  While he has the ball, everyone just stands around waiting for the pass which never happens, ie Stuckey, and he drives and decides to lob or not lob to Dre.  News flash, when the team effectively defends that play, like the Bulls will, Bynum will be rendered largely ineffective. 
    3.  Do not care to rehash BW.  Tired of stating the obvious.
    4.  Max sucks, again, tired of stating the obvious.
    5.  Where is JJ? 
    6.  Still not a playoff team.
    As the trade deadline looms, I have an overwhelming fear that no one will be traded and all will be signed to horrendous contract extensions.  The ghost of Mr.D will come back and reveal himself as the true genius behind the championship teams.  Please come back and save us.  I propose we sacrifice Joe D.
     

    • Jan 21, 20137:14 pm
      by Worm

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      1.) The Twolves would laugh and hang up. While we’re at it, why doesn’t Joe D call up Miami and try to get Lebron?
      2.) Knight doesn’t either but both Prince and Monroe are better facilitators at this point than Knight.
      5.) On the bench because he isn’t any good.
      Also if you think Mr. D was responsible for the Billups signing, Hamilton/Wallace trades, and Prince pick then I’m sorry for you.

      • Jan 21, 201310:54 pm
        by piston moribund

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        Hmmmm, its called sarcasm.  Lighten up Worm, a little bit of brevity is good for the soul, or in this case, makes a crappy team have some entertaining value.  Just millionaires playing a game, man.

  • Jan 22, 201312:14 pm
    by Dennis

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    Brevity is good for the soul, so I’ll keep this brief. Coach Frank is doing right by Andre. Why insist that he play more?

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