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Early barrage too much for Pistons against Knicks in London

New York Knicks 102 Final

Recap | Box Score

87 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 19 MIN | 1-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 1 STL | 1 BLK | 1 TO | 2 PTS | -9He was kind of a victim of the situation in the first half. With the Pistons struggling and the Knicks going small, he didn’t really fit. When the team made its run late in the third, he played well enough on defense and the boards, drawing a charge on Carmelo Anthony.
Tayshaun Prince, SF 35 MIN | 5-10 FG | 2-6 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 2 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 12 PTS | -15Pretty much the typical Tayshaun Prince game. He took a lot of mid-range jumpers, he played some decent defense on Anthony and he did a little bit of everything. I’m not sure why Lawrence Frank drew up so many isolation plays for him — especially being guarded by a good defender in Iman Shumpert.
Kyle Singler, SF 35 MIN | 5-10 FG | 2-4 FT | 3 REB | 4 AST | 0 STL | 1 BLK | 2 TO | 15 PTS | -11He was legitimately the Pistons only threat from behind the 3-point line and he was productive, making three shots from deep. He, like the rest of the starters, struggled defensively early, but his offense was one of the lone bright spots.
Greg Monroe, C 36 MIN | 4-12 FG | 3-4 FT | 10 REB | 5 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 4 TO | 11 PTS | -3He finished with a double-double, but his offense was off all night. A long, athletic defender like Tyson Chandler always gives him problems and that was no different today. He rebounded well and had five assists (and four turnovers), but outside the mini-rally in the third quarter, he was totally out of sorts.
Brandon Knight, PG 18 MIN | 0-4 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 1 TO | 1 PTS | -9I’m not sure that Knight has played a worse game in a Pistons’ jersey. He was listless, unenthusiastic and basically served as a guy who brought the ball up court. He rewarded by being glued to the bench after Will Bynum exploded in the second half. On the bright side he only turned it over once!
Charlie Villanueva, PF 12 MIN | 2-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 5 PTS | -8Surprisingly (not) he wasn’t much on defense and was really a non-factor on offense. If he’s not making 3-pointers, he’s not helping you at all — which was the case with just two rebounds.
Austin Daye, PF 10 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 2 PTS | -3Like Charlie V, he’s a guy who needs to be making shots to make an impact. He had the flagrant foul on Chandler and also fouled Carmelo Anthony on a 3-pointer, but otherwise he kind of just floated around the perimeter.
Andre Drummond, C 23 MIN | 5-7 FG | 1-2 FT | 10 REB | 1 AST | 2 STL | 2 BLK | 0 TO | 11 PTS | -12This is nothing new, but he brought all the energy humanly possible in the second and late fourth quarter. He out-performed Monroe in 13 fewer minutes and he even had Knicks’ announcers Spero Dedes and Walt Frazier marveling at his physical prowess.
Viacheslav Kravtsov, C 1 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 1 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 0 TO | 0 PTS | +2Well, the little-used European got some garbage minutes in his home… continent? He actually made one nice play, turning a forced inside feed into a pass out to Singler for a 3-pointer late.
Will Bynum, PG 30 MIN | 10-16 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 4 AST | 1 STL | 0 BLK | 3 TO | 22 PTS | -6Team struggles all game, then Bynum turns it on and brings them back into the game. This is a recording. He played well enough to keep Knight benched for most of the second half and led the third quarter charge. Call me crazy here, but if Bynum keeps up his pace of coming in and bringing the offense with some consistency, could he be (maybe distantly) in the running for Sixth Man of the Year?
Rodney Stuckey, PG 21 MIN | 2-6 FG | 2-4 FT | 1 REB | 3 AST | 0 STL | 0 BLK | 2 TO | 6 PTS | -1Stuckey was basically invisible. He’s obviously a guy who needs to have the ball in his hands to be effective, but when Bynum goes on his tears like he did today, Stuckey becomes a bit redundant.
Lawrence FrankIt didn’t help that the Pistons came out defenseless and fell behind by 14 points early — but it’s kind of his job to scheme to avoid that, right? Considering how much of a mismatch the Knicks are for the Pistons, Frank made what adjustments he could thereafter. Drummond could have played more, but his lineup of Bynum-Singler-Prince-Maxiell-Monroe in the third was actually the most productive of the night. Kudos to him giving Knight the hook when he wasn’t doing anything, too.

79 Comments

  • Jan 17, 20136:28 pm
    by MNM

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    Just another reason they need to get back into the lottery.

  • Jan 17, 20136:30 pm
    by Brady Fredericksen

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    That’s an understandable way of thinking, MNM, but considering how bad this draft is and how tied up the Pistons are with the Bobcats owning a first round pick, wouldn’t it be better to somehow sneak into the playoffs as the eighth seed, let the Bobcats draft someone from this year’s poor class and then free yourself up next year?

    • Jan 17, 20136:40 pm
      by MNM

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      No.  The pick is lottery protected this year. Charlotte only uses it this year if Detroit is out of the lottery and crawls into the playoffs. And it doesn’t do anybody any good to barely make the playoffs just to get stomped on by Miami or NYK. The are clearly not ready.  This team needs a go-to scorer. Ben McClemore seems to be a stud at this point and can play some defense.  If Detroit is back in the lottery, and somehow has a lucky bounce it would be good to get him.

    • Jan 18, 201312:36 pm
      by Bugsygod

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      ummm who the hell is this ^^^^ BRADY?  WTH are you doing on PistonsPowered giving analysis??  DAn , Patrick what the heck is going on??  Do i start and argument with Brady now or do i wait for him to declare our lottery pick(that everyone wanted) a bust before he has ever played a game?

  • Jan 17, 20136:37 pm
    by herm

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    i suppose if bynum had this exact game for every single game for the rest of the year he’d be in the 6th man conversation, but he isn’t in any real ones right now.

  • Jan 17, 20136:39 pm
    by mixmasta

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    No lottery for this year please. Aside from Shabazz, there’s no one else that our roster needs. Let’s just have a shopping spree on free agency.
     
    This game? Ho-hum if not for AnD1 and Bynum.

  • Jan 17, 20136:44 pm
    by Javell

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    Once again brandon knight taking bail out 3s for the weak ass offense we have! He never gets to set up in pick and roll…. Laurence frank let bynum do whatever but knight…. Give the ball to tayshaun…, give the ball to greg….. Not good offense…..3deezy said it best… Let these young guys run! Were not the fucking los angelas lakers! We dnt have old veterains! Let us get easy baskets! I just HATE FRANK… 

  • Jan 17, 20136:46 pm
    by Javell

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    AND I HAVE A FEELING DRUMMOND WILL NEVER START,! I mean why haven’t he started yet!???? Cansomebody  give me a really good reason???

  • Jan 17, 20136:50 pm
    by Dre Drum

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    It was curious that Monroe and Drummond ended with exactly the same numbers of points and rebounds. But Monroe played 13 minutes more and turned it over 4 times. I feel like much of this isn’t Monroe’s fault, he simply shouldn’t handle the ball that much and his passing ability should be used with more prudence, since he’s really good at it. Seems like no one is really working as PG, well, at least not when Knight is on the floor. I think we should stick with that “little big three” and let them develop properly in their designed roles. With these level of talent, it should be just a matter of time till they can really produce at a high level together. I feel like there aren’t much talent along with them so we could really make a fair judgement about Knight, Monroe and Drummond’s games.

    • Jan 17, 20137:52 pm
      by frankie d

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      what is happening to monroe is simple.
      even the knicks announcers could see it, as early as the first quarter.
      the pistons’ spacing is horrible and when the team has its typical starting unit in the game – and even when stuckey is playing with them – they just do not space the floor well and it allows the defense to collapse on monroe.
      this is a direct result of the offensive scheme that frank relies on with the starters.
      the best offense that the team has played all year has been the second unit’s play of a couple of weeks ago.
      the bench, at that time, was spreading the floor, letting bynum operate in the middle, with drummond as the clean up man.   their spacing was excellent, with daye and CV and singler on the perimeter ready to shoot wide open 3′s.
      the starters, on the other hand, are executing an offense that ends up having everyone except for singler, and occasionally knight, jamming the lane or mid-range zones.
      the team needs a point guard like trey burke, a guy who can make good decisions, shoot the 3 and not kill you with turnovers.
      bynum plays that way sometimes, but often he goes on his mental walkabouts where his sinister twin takes over his body.
      yes, a great wing scorer would be nice, but, imho, the team has enough shooters now, and a good distributor, and a good scheme would free up those guys.
      the best starting unit would be one with drummond and monroe and then 3 guys who will space the floor and shoot 3′s.  
      tay can shoot the 3 but he’d much rather muck around in the mid range.
      max only plays in the lane.
      knight’s game is so unfocused, you never know what the heck he is going to do, or where he is going on the floor.
      there are still lots of things frank could do to clear up the offense, but he has cobbled together a starting unit because of seniority and politics and not because it fits and works well together.  because of that nonsense, and frank’s refusal to buck it, the team will never put its best starting unit on the floor. 

      • Jan 17, 20138:11 pm
        by lisa

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        Sinister evil twin, very funny! When  he’s on  his walkabout.

      • Jan 18, 20138:54 am
        by Crispus

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        Haha seniority and politics indeed. We can’t afford this kind of spineless coaching, unless that is, we’re tanking.

      • Jan 18, 20139:10 am
        by Vic

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        yes, a great wing scorer would be nice, but, imho, the team has enough shooters now, and a good distributor, and a good scheme would free up those guys.”

        thank you for saying this, I’m glad somebody gets it 

      • Jan 18, 20139:16 am
        by Vic

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        “the team needs a point guard like trey burke, a guy who can make good decisions, shoot the 3 and not kill you with turnovers.”

        Frankied has his eyes open  and underStands the game

  • Jan 17, 20136:56 pm
    by Scott Free

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    I know these grades work a bit like whos line is it anyways.  but which maxiel are you rating here?  2 points and 4 rebounds warrants a C for a starter?

  • Jan 17, 20137:03 pm
    by 3champ

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    If Drummond is doing so good and doing better then Monroe and Maxiell why isn’t he starting?

    • Jan 17, 201311:34 pm
      by jacob

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      The  only reason I can think of that Drummond is not starting is that we are letting other teams get a good look at maxiell. That way JD can trade him around the deadline and actually get some value for him. ??????

      • Jan 18, 20131:25 am
        by Desolation Row

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        I certainly hope this to be the case.

  • Jan 17, 20137:11 pm
    by moe

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    did jonas play today?

    • Jan 17, 20137:30 pm
      by mixmasta

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      Unfortunately, he didn’t play in this game.

      • Jan 17, 20138:01 pm
        by lisa

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        I read in the DN that Frank didn’t thinkJonas would want to play under these conditions. Why wouldn’t he, with family and friends there? I don’t understand!

    • Jan 18, 20139:05 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      This is just one more reason to hate Frank.  He probably had family and fans there just to be able to see him play and Frank couldn’t put him in for a minute, like he did with Slava.

  • Jan 17, 20137:39 pm
    by Pete

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    Man this team once again is so terribly put together. Does Dumars not see they need a REAL shooting guard( Im sure every Piston fan is TIRED OF COMBO guards) A VETERAN point guard(B.K. needs a vet to help him learn how to run the point BAD) Drummond MORE minutes(every basketball blogger and commentator is wondering the same thing when it comes to the Pistons). During and after the game how much time did they spend talking about the Pistons veeeery little because no ones cares outside of hardcore Pistons fans. EVEN Isiah really didnt have much to say but when he did he broke down the Pistons to a T. I really hope Tom Gores is taking notes and watching how other teams in the league are developing their young players because Dumars just doesnt get it…SMH

  • Jan 17, 20137:46 pm
    by Blocks By Dre

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    Knight was horrible and this was an eye opener for me. I been such a huge fan of Knight but now even I’m starting to think we’ll do better with another PG starting for our team and having Knight come off the bench. Drafting a PG/SG should be our priority in the next draft it’s just too bad this upcoming draft class is horrendous outside of 2-3 players

    • Jan 17, 20137:57 pm
      by frankie d

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      put knight next to a guard like trey burke, and let him spot up for 3′s and he’d be a totally different player.
      defensively, a smallish backcourt of, say, burke and knight, might present issues, but with a human eraser like drummond on the back line, they might be able to afford to run with a smaller backcourt.

      • Jan 18, 20139:20 am
        by Vic

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        My sentiments exactly. Burke is a superior talent to machado as far as shooting is concerned and natural talent but I’ll be happy with either. Anyone with pg skill, please!

    • Jan 18, 20139:10 am
      by Crispus

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      I’m going to keep wailing for Machado. I don’t know if he’s on a squadron yet, but he’s basically free. No risk and if he doesn’t work out oh well no sweat.

      • Jan 18, 201312:14 pm
        by frankie d

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        machado would be a nice fit, imho.
        trey burke is probably a better version of machado, but it definitely would not hurt to try machado.
        the thing that kills me about dumars is that he runs this team, as he’s done the last few years, the way he ran his contending teams.
        his rosters are pretty much set at the beginning of the year.  he lets his coaches basically keep the same starters and rotations.  he rarely uses the d league to find players or for assignments for his own players.
        it’s like he figures if he just stays set, everything will turn out ok.  when you are going to the conference title series every year that’s fine, but when you are a lottery team, a greater sense of urgency is probably appropriate.
        simply cannot understand why he isn’t bringing guys in on 10 day contracts, trying them out and seeing if they fit.  if they fit, keep them, if they don’t tell them thanks, and move on to the next guy.
        machado would be a perfect guy to try that approach with. 

      • Jan 18, 201312:58 pm
        by Crispus

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        It boggles my mind. I know the roster is overstuffed right now, but a few moves down the road we might have room for very low cost players to fill spots. It would pay to start at least working the FA and waiver wires now.

        Joe brought in a couple guys in the preseason, Williams and Flynn, but like you say, once the season started it’s all hardened to concrete. 

  • Jan 17, 20137:53 pm
    by FreeDreDrummond

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    This is getting ridiculous.  When the Pisons drafted Drummond he was viewed as developmental player who would need time to get acclimated to the NBA game.  As soon as the season began, it was clear he was further along than that.  Now almost halfway through the year, its not uncommon for Drummond to be the best Piston on the floor some nights.  He needs to play more.  Maxiel is better suited for an energy off the bench role.  There will be bumps along the road.  Foul trouble, lots of missed free throws, but its clear he is ready for the next stage in his development as a player.  This has been the case for weeks.  At this point there is no way that Frank can justify Drummond’s current role on the team.  I realize that everything I’ve said has been covered on this blog in great detail many times over but it’s frustrating to watch.  I am sick and tired of the Pistons starting slow, the bench bringing them back, and then the game is out of reach for good in the 4th.  The Pistons are going nowhere this year.  It’s time for the training wheels to come off.  Free Andre Drummond   

  • Jan 17, 20137:54 pm
    by Dre for the win

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    I honestly hope  we go into the lottery and get ben mclemore or shabazz. Everyone here wants a true SG and mclemore looks like an absolute beast right now.

  • Jan 17, 20137:57 pm
    by DG

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    Trey Burke would look very good in a Pistons uniform next year.  He’s more likely to still be available when the Pistons pick.  I have a feeling they’ll just miss the playoffs this year.

  • Jan 17, 20138:00 pm
    by Mark

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    Its hard to argue that Drummond/Bynum has been our best duo on the team this year, with the most chemistry, and most production.

    So it begs the question why isnt our best duo starting?

    The Bynum/Drummond combo has outplayed the Knight/Monroe combo, yet we continue to feature Knight/Monroe as if mandated by the league or something.

    We’re 7-4 in our last 11 games, but the bench magic is pretty much over, and starters are still a mismatched dysfunctional group. No reason not to make some lineup changes at this point. 

    • Jan 17, 20138:24 pm
      by frankie d

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      how about this starting unit:
      drummond
      monroe
      tay
      singler
      bynum.

      and tay has strict orders to not muck around with the ball and to lock his bony arse to the 3 point line.
      considering the roster, that might be the best starting unit possible, imho.
      would love to dump tay for, say, english, or knight at the 2, with singler sliding up to the SF spot, but that would never happen.
      unless, tay got traded! 

      • Jan 17, 20139:41 pm
        by Jodi Jezz

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        We’ll never be a respectable or competitive team with Singler in our starting line-up…

      • Jan 17, 201311:03 pm
        by Mone

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        Take out Prince for Daye, and Singler for Stuckey or English, and we will have a fun young and energetic team… 

    • Jan 18, 20135:19 am
      by swish22

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      Villanueva needs to be benched. He is just awful. Had a couple of decent games but he’s fools gold! Dumars was the fool and C V got the gold. Disappointed in Frank for not having a better gameplan and not substituting Drummond late 3rd to keep it close when the starters got it down to 4 points. Thought B K versus Kidd was an attack point and instead we run the offense through others. Kidd can’t stay with a young quick guard and it wasn’t exploited until Bynum entered. Disappointed Drummond is still not getting the P T he has EARNED!! Getting ready for the ultimate disappointment of seeing Joe D not trading Prince, Maxiel or Bynum.

  • Jan 17, 20138:07 pm
    by FreeDreDrummond

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    Also its becoming clear that the closest thing to a pg on this roster is Will Bynum.  He’s still young but BK has shown absolutely nothing that suggests that he is learning the position.  Statistically he is 1 of the worst starting pgs in the NBA.  I hate to say it but the Jason Terry comps are looking more and more accurate and thats probably best case scenario.  He might be more effective off the ball and not worrying about running the offense.  It’s obvious it doesn’t come naturally for him.  I know a lot of teams would be happy with a Jason Terry, but to me its just another problem for a flawed roster that needs to be addressed at some point.  

    • Jan 18, 20132:17 am
      by Mrshourite

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      Funny because earlier in the season I made a similar post saying that Bynum was our number #1 PG option when Knight was giving up the basketball like it was hot; and its funny cuz it broke a lot of hearts on this site.  It is what is Knight is not an option at point guard that we should continue to implement past this season. Good to see some basketball minds finally start to see what has been painfully obvious for some. WE NEED A PG BOTTOM LINE!!!!!!!!

  • Jan 17, 20138:12 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    The starting line up is the most boring in the NBA . It is one thing to be bad or rebuilding but this team has NO identity,  Knight is LOST  I’d trade him Prince and Max for a nickel… Singler is a joke as a starter (OK back up guy)  and GM, JD thinks the teams so great he can keep his buddies nice and warm in Detroit instead of actually wanting a better team…… Pathetic   and you thought ownership would help?  not with this front office  … SHAME SHAME SHAME….

    • Jan 17, 20139:25 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Knight isnt lost, but I agree if Frank is just going to use him to bring the ball pass the half court line,,,he is not need on this roster

  • Jan 17, 20138:46 pm
    by Dre Drum

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    Although Bynum throws a high number of alley-oops to Drummond and he pretty much helps Drum with it, he also gives a couple of awful lobs too. Seems like he thinks that Drummond could catch any bad pass he throws.

  • Jan 17, 20139:07 pm
    by Geoge

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    My gut tells me Gores has to be considering letting Dumars go. You don’t get into venture capital by not being willing to cutting ties with people depreciating his assets.

    JoeD is really running this team to the ground with his love affair with Tayshaun/Max. One poster put it best in saying both have benefited from the Peter Principle, bc for being slightly better than average players (at best), they have very prominent roles on the team. They have become the old guys at the office who may be managers (based on seniority) but have never been able to type, or use a computer for that matter.

    In some way, I feel bad for Frank bc I feel he is being forced to play these guys for their “leadership”.

  • Jan 17, 20139:15 pm
    by Geoge

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    I should add that while some may question how BK should be utilized in the offense (more freedom?), but the thing that should be constant is D. The kid never gets steals, gets beat off the dribble often, and is a below average help defender…he is basically a liability on D. I would put up with half the ppg if it meant better D, with a stl or two. Look at what that type of production did to Eric Bledoe’s value.

  • Jan 17, 20139:21 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Just go ahead and trade Knight,,,,I believe Knight is being so misused its ridiculous….

    I dont know what going with Knight and Frank… but right now its not working…

    But way does Bynum have soo much freedom and Knight has to play soo restricted?

    Im Not a fan of this at all…. 

    • Jan 18, 20131:41 am
      by tarsier

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      You always claim that Knight is incredibly restricted. What is your basis for this? When he’s on the floor, he can do basically whatever he wants. I mean, he is the one playing, not Frank. All Frank can do is pull him off the court. And Frank has never displayed a quick hook for Knight. So it’s possible that Frank is constantly telling hi to play a particular way and not use his strengths. But a much more likely explanation is that Knight just plays how Knight plays. And that sometimes but rarely involves dominating scoring performances.

      • Jan 18, 20138:01 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        I disagree, and im sure you watch the games.

        Knight plays with no freedom, and he doesnt even look like he has the freedom to do what he wants.

        If he misses shots, and make bad passes…or cant beat his defender… that all on Knight..

        But look at last Knight Game…he bring the ball up…gives it up BY DESIGN!, he goes 0-4 from the field 3 of which were 3 point attempts….

        Thats drawn up…the starting Line-up is all about ISO…. Prince-ISO , Monrow-ISO, Maxiell pretty Much-ISO…. So if they dont believe in Knight, they should just trade him now… Knight and Monroe should be playing pick and roll 60-70 percent of the time….but they dont..

        Bynum is soo successful, because that offense in structured for him….he gets to dominate the ball, they have 3 guys capable of knocking down the 3 ball standing behind the arc, and he plays pick and roll with Drummond, who teams have to respect because of his size and great athletic ability….. Drummond and Bynum run that pick and roll play probably 60-70 percent of the time they are on the floor together … BY DESIGN!

        Knight probably will never live up to the expectation, but right know Frank and this system is NOT helping him develop….

        • Jan 18, 201310:01 am
          by tarsier

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          I just don’t know how you know what is and isn’t be design. What is and isn’t drawn up. Knight has never seemed as aggressive as Bynum. Maybe he was drawn up to not be aggressive in college too. But that seems unlikely. And as little faith as I have in Frank, I gotta believe he’s smarter than to constantly draw up iso plays. Everyone knows that’s a terrible way to play.

          Besides, if Knight was especially timid coming out of timeouts and right off the bench, that would seem to point toward your theory. But most of the time on the court, teams aren’t working out a specifically drawn up play because a coach just can’t draw up a dozen plays and say, “Here’s what your doing for the next 12 times you get the ball. Then we’ll call a timeout and I’ll have a new set for you.”

        • Jan 18, 201310:30 am
          by Vic

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          Perhaps those restrictions were put on him because of consistent evidence that he turns the ball over too much when depended upon to do more?

          Knight is a great scorer, I think that will end up being his role- getting buckets 

          • Jan 18, 20132:53 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            “”I just don’t know how you know what is and isn’t be design. What is and isn’t drawn up. Knight has never seemed as aggressive as Bynum. Maybe he was drawn up to not be aggressive in college too. But that seems unlikely. And as little faith as I have in Frank, I gotta believe he’s smarter than to constantly draw up iso plays. Everyone knows that’s a terrible way to play.”"
            1. Its simple, because you watch what the other players do, they are not setting screens for him, and they arent spreading the floor or cuting to create passing lanes…He comes up and the balls goes to Prince or Monroe… I’ll go a step further… Prince,Monroe and Maxiell are all 15feet and in players…Yes Prince can make the 3 ball, but he loves the mid range…because of that…Knight is forced to become a kickout option rather than a slasher or creator…. Im not making this up…u have to watch the same games I saw…. When Knight was scoring and going iso… “complaints came” probably Prince saying the ball wasnt moving enough…. So then Prince started playing Point forward and was horrible bring the ball up court….

            “”Besides, if Knight was especially timid coming out of timeouts and right off the bench, that would seem to point toward your theory. But most of the time on the court, teams aren’t working out a specifically drawn up play because a coach just can’t draw up a dozen plays and say, “Here’s what your doing for the next 12 times you get the ball. Then we’ll call a timeout and I’ll have a new set for you.””

            2. I hear you but its not true, the Pistons run the same plays…its almost predictable… its called set offense…players are in the same location everytime, and the coach is shouting plays from the side line….

            Look we dont have to agree on Knight talent or skill level but you can not tell Bynum is more talented than Knight, in college knight was very aggressive, and got better as PG as the season when alot but the ball stayed in his hands… now they are taking the ball out of his hands…

            @Vic … most PG have turnover issues, but Knight does not have a chance to build his assist number…

            maxiell jumpers have been horrible
            Monroe Mid-range has been horrible
            Singler has struggled for like the last month or so..
            and when Prince gets it..I think he dribbles just to take the assist away from knight (conspiracy theory)

            When Bynum is in the game its like Rucker Park… Loops for Drummond…Charlie,Stuckey and Daye shooting with no hestitation…

            So one player assist to TO-ratio is going to look better

  • Jan 17, 20139:23 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    This team has lost all the chemistry that it had a few week back, there is no enthusiastic players cheers for one another unless everything is going right  

  • Jan 17, 20139:26 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    Yea Knights a young Ben Gordon ..(and we just got rid of him)  If he hot he hot but other wise not so much help at all.  I’m not so sure that L Frank has to play the Vets,  i think he buys into the same OLD school only thoughts on how to do things and with Frank it not even old school tuff just old and BORING 

    • Jan 17, 20139:38 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      I posted this before…Knight Average Non-Transition Possession:

      He bring the ball past half court….passes to Prince, Knight rotates to the opposite side on the floor, behind the 3 point line…At this stage Prince has passed to Monroe…and if Monroe is doubled…Knight get to shoot it with 3-4 seconds left on the clock

      Or Knight Brings it up, passes to Prince…ISOTAY…dribbles with his back to the basket for 5-7 seconds…kicks out…the ball swings…and Knight Might get another shot…as the shot clock is in its final seconds…

      He has no freedom, and Frank is destroying his  confidence… So just trade him, and in few years we can regret as he flourish in another system…

  • Jan 17, 20139:57 pm
    by George

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    BK apologists (which I will never be), should read this article.  Basically talks about how Gary Payton has been mentoring John Wall and how much GP struggled early in his career before George Karl gave him freedom to work within the offense.

    http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/17/gary-payton-says-hes-been-talking-to-john-wall-about-succeeding-in-nba/

    • Jan 18, 201310:48 am
      by Vic

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      I agree that players will only succeed if you let them be who they are actually, and let them do what they do best instead of trying to force to be something that they’re not. I believe knight will be one of the greater scorers in the NBA, he’s just not a natural facilitator and he is obviously struggling in that role. He was a scorer in high school. He was a scorer in college. What he was in scorer last year, because Stuckey was handling a lot of the point guard duties. Let him be the scorer and blossom

  • Jan 17, 201310:00 pm
    by Brigs

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    I feel like we just lost to a team that we a could be a better version of. They surrounded a go to scorer with a dominent center and 3 pt shooters, it’s obvious that we have the dominant center which makes everything work and we have a few good 3 pt shooter but we need to acquire more and we need to figure out wat to do with bk7 he just doesn’t look like a quality pg also Monroe doesn’t look like a go to scorer so I think we need to start lookin at potential trades for both of them because at this point theg are both driving their value wayy down while we continue to lose. I’m not sayin trade them just to accquire a couple shooters or something like that I just would love if Jd explored some trades revolving around both of them either as seperate peices or both of them 

  • Jan 17, 201310:23 pm
    by MrCarter

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    Thats it! We need to trade Jerebko! If we’re not gonna play him, might as well move him for an expiring contract or something to help us get ready for this summer.
     

  • Jan 18, 20131:22 am
    by Desolation Row

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    Keeping Monroe and Drummond should be key since it will create tons of matchup problems for teams if Drummond remotely reaches his potential and Monroe makes small incremental improvements. Everyone else should be offered up. I don’t think Monroe will ever be the #1 option on offense for a championship team, but he’s a solid #2. We need a guy who can put the ball in the hoop, play smart, and be at least average-to-above-average on defense. Obviously easier said than done, but that will make us at least in the middle of the playoff pack of the East if we can get that this summer (along with acquiring/developing some solid role players). I do think we’re close. But we need bold moves that, even if they aren’t immediately causes for hype, make sense in the context of the roster….

  • Jan 18, 20131:34 am
    by N1ck

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    I just wish the word “playoffs” would vanish from anywhere near this team, it clearly doesn’t belong here. 

  • Jan 18, 20132:31 am
    by domnick

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    we need to move and make some trades

  • Jan 18, 20133:54 am
    by Kaneda

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    what a poor showing. This team is a mess and Frank makes it even worse with his decisions. Yesterday half the team was a no show and yet JJ  is still glued to the bench. I’m not saying he would alter the game’s outcome, but common man, give him a shot when all, but 3 players, are just awful.  
     
    Going ahead management needs to man up and make decisions/trades that will complement Monroe and Drummond. I feel that if we can space the floor and have good shooters surrounding Monroe and Drummond, Monroe can easily become a triple/double guy. It was really frustrating seeing how easily and effortlessly teams collapse and double on Monroe.

  • Jan 18, 20138:13 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    all off that Good feeling I had about this team a few weeks back is gone, I never EVER believed Frank was the man for this job.

    Only reason this team is better than last year team is because of Drummond…who should be clearly starting by now…

    Bynum, Daye. and Charlie are nice little side stories about work ethic, but when you are talking about pure talent on the floor…its all about Drummond

    • Jan 18, 20139:32 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      Not sure were this team was last year at this time, but with the additional players (Drummond, Singler) and improved play of our bench, you would think that this team should be way ahead of last years team.

       I think it all goes back to coaching.

      • Jan 18, 20132:31 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        Frank has bobbled with the roation as though we are in the pre-season…

        He is a X’s and O’s guy and NOT a very good one at that….but sometimes you need a guy that understands the pace of the game…

        Almost half a season in and our idenity relate to the fact that most of our production comes from players on the bench that were not recieving minutes earlier in the year…

        Knight has not developed
        Monroe has not developed
        Drummond has exceed their expectations

        thats the core and future of the team…and you have no idea how to use them…I have been a big supporter of Joe..but for him to let this take place I question his leadership

  • Jan 18, 20139:08 am
    by MoATL

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    So 1 out of every 10 games, the starters show up. Its beyond ridiculous why we have the worst starting lineup. Its beyond boring. Singler avg what about 4pts a game as our starting SG. Max avg 4 at PF. Zero identity on this team other than Bynum/Drummond combo. Too much stress put on remaining starters. JJ has too much talent to sit the bench. I’d rather have JJplay than Maxiell. 

     i have zero faith JoeD makes a trade by trade deadline- its been same sad story for years

    No wonder the NBA scheduled Pistons vs Knicks at London- to showcase the Knicks, period. 

  • Jan 18, 20139:24 am
    by Blocks By Dre

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    The Singler experiment was nice for what about a week…it’s time he moved back to the bench. Thanks for the memories but your so little glory moment is gone! I can’t see why he’s still out there he doesn’t score and has to be the WORST starting SG in the entire league. Him and Max need to be bench players and even then it’s too late for a playoff run cause this team is far behind and has a “not so smart” coach!

  • Jan 18, 201310:25 am
    by N1ck

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    First we need a real point guard, now the best choice is Will Bynum – nice second unit spark from the bench), that says it all. Our best playmaker is Monroe…
    Then we need a real shooting guard, now the best choice is SF Singler – nice second unit SF, that says it all.
    Give Knight a season or with a real mentor, we don’t need a new Allen Iverson.
    Pair Drummond and Monroe.
    Ad a pair of useful players and get rid of dead weight (CV, Magggete, Daye).
    It’s simple really…

  • Jan 18, 201310:55 am
    by Vic

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    The beautiful thing about Trey burke is that he’s not like a lot of the points that are just speedy 1on1 players and can be stopped if you stop them going to the hole… and he has more than just a three point shot, he also has a midrange game. He has a complete offensive game, but he also facilitates and makes every other player on his team better without turning the ball over a lot and losing possessions.

  • Jan 18, 201311:12 am
    by Nick

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    Marcus Smart is the player the Pistons need to draft. The kid is a straight up beast and he has piston dna all over him. As of right now nbadraft.net have detroit picking him. We need a playmaking guard that makes other players better and I believe that Smart is the answer. He reminds me of Wade/Harden and it seems like it won’t be a reach to draft him.

    http://youtu.be/0nGKgQru5_A

    • Jan 18, 201312:57 pm
      by frankie d

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      thanks for the tip on smart.  have seen his name before, but have not watched him play.
      great physical profile, and he has a touch of the combo guard in him – which joe d will like a lot – but he seems to have a real eye for passing the ball.
      will take a look at oklahoma state’s games the next time i get a chance.  very interesting player. thanks again.
      must say, though, that i’ve turned into a burke fan.  burke seems like the perfect guy to bring the pistons’ odd collection of talent together.  it is rare to find a great passer who can penetrate and who also shoots 40% from 3.  a great passer will make players out of shooters like CV and english and daye and singler and even JJ, because JJ moves so well and burke makes great use of cutters, now.  he’ll space the floor which will open it up for monroe and drummond.
      i hope joe d doesn’t end up discounting burke because he’s seen him for too many times, because he plays in his backyard.  and burke, at least according to most estimates now, should be available to detroit, as long as they stay in the lottery. 

  • Jan 18, 20131:15 pm
    by Ryank

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    I don’t think you’re crazy about will bynum…I think you are suffering from amnesia.  Bynum does come out and do great stuff like this from time to time, but much more often he takes terrible shots and kills any chance the pistons have of winning a game.

  • Jan 18, 20132:23 pm
    by Mark

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    I ask the question. Is Knight still the point guard of the future?  I just don’t see that much improvement. HE was horrible yesterday. 

  • Jan 18, 20132:24 pm
    by Mark

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    I ask the question. Is Knight still the point guard of the future?  I just don’t see that much improvement. HE was horrible yesterday.   I would deal for Marshall who is languishing in Phoenix. 

  • Jan 18, 20132:52 pm
    by Mrshourite

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    No Mark….,Brandon Knight is not the answer to PG. He is not even playing like the best guard on the team. He shouldn’t even be starting for us right now. Wishful thinking is we make a deal for a veteran PG before the trade deadline. If, I say again IF the goal is to try to make a run at the playoffs this year. If not, then we will stand pat and sink or swim with BK hopes of claiming one more lottery pick this summer.

    • Jan 18, 20132:58 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      FRANK IS THE PROBLEM NOT KNIGHT!

      but I hope we just trade him, so that when he shines in another system…we can talk about him like we do Affalo, Delfino, Amir johnson

  • Jan 18, 20132:58 pm
    by Mrshourite

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    I know I may sound like an impatient fan but many of us expect the best from our team. We may have been spoiled for a better part of the last 10 years but the last 3 have been very taxing as a fan. I will always support my Pistons as a team, and any moves or potential moves made to improve the product on the floor (TEAM).

    That being said, I believe the only player to be viewed as untouchable on our squad is AWESOME DRE…
     
    The next few moves Joe D makes will go a long way into setting the course for our future, another short. & long term. 

    • Jan 18, 20134:42 pm
      by Ozzie-Moto

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      And you trust or even think he will make any ?    

  • Jan 18, 20133:05 pm
    by Mrshourite

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    You hate Frank, so why would you think otherwise? Of course Frank isn’t blameless and his job as coach is to put players in the best position to succeed on the court. Based on our record that hasnt been the case too many times. However, he is not on the court and it is the point guard’s responsibility to be that secondary coach on the floor and to put the team in the best position to win. Make other’s around him better, make smart decisions with the ball, find your teammates sweet spots, be that leader on the floor. So far, Knight has only shown us that in inconsistent flashes at a minimum, and most of that came during his rookie season. So we can blame the coach some, but Knight’s improvement or lack of, falls mainly on his own shoulders.

  • Jan 18, 20133:13 pm
    by Mrshourite

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    For the record I was always a fan of AA, Delfino and Amir. I was upset with both Aaron’s and Amir’s departure though. Ultimately we shipped out AA to trim $ for what turned out to be BG who is once again assigned bench duty and who isn’t even the 1st player off the bench for the BOBCATS.That honor belongs to Ramon Sessions. We flipped that for Maggette, so hopefully it pays off this summer while AA is flourishing in Orlando and was arguably one of the top 2 players in Denver the last few seasons. 
    By the way I never said trade Knight, I just don’t want to invest 3 to 4 years into him trying to MAKE him a PG, especially not option any ore feasible options at the point.  I don’t view him as untouchable if we can upgrade our team, heck I don’t even view Moose as untouchable. 

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