Comments on: David Thorpe: Andre Drummond ‘should have gone second in this draft’ http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Wed, 22 May 2013 17:11:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: G http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116234 G Mon, 28 Jan 2013 14:26:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116234 It's still wrong... It’s still wrong…

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116150 frankie d Mon, 28 Jan 2013 02:21:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116150 i like knight and think he can be a good, solid, maybe borderline nba player. but i dont think he has the head to be a point guard. today's game is a great example of how he can play if he doesn't have the burden of running the offense. bynum is a poor man's trey burke. get the real thing next to knight and i think you have a great backcourt. especially if you have a shotblocker like drummond there to make up for the relatively small size of your guards.  i like knight and think he can be a good, solid, maybe borderline nba player.
but i dont think he has the head to be a point guard.
today’s game is a great example of how he can play if he doesn’t have the burden of running the offense.
bynum is a poor man’s trey burke.
get the real thing next to knight and i think you have a great backcourt.
especially if you have a shotblocker like drummond there to make up for the relatively small size of your guards. 

]]> By: Venice http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116051 Venice Sun, 27 Jan 2013 22:44:25 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116051 Well we have our own opinions on how to make the team better.For Christ's sake, Knight is just 20 years old.He's just been in the league for a year. We all know that playing in the NBA is the hard and he has the hardest position to learn. Let the kid develop.It's just been a year (lockout year) and he deserves to atleast have more time to develop. Many  players will be considered a bust if hes just given a year and already been questioned. Well we have our own opinions on how to make the team better.For Christ’s sake, Knight is just 20 years old.He’s just been in the league for a year. We all know that playing in the NBA is the hard and he has the hardest position to learn. Let the kid develop.It’s just been a year (lockout year) and he deserves to atleast have more time to develop. Many  players will be considered a bust if hes just given a year and already been questioned.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116034 frankie d Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:53:48 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116034 agree 100%. i'm amzed when i read posts that argue that a mayo type scorer is the team's biggest need.  it is almost as though they have not been watching pistons' ball for the last few years. a guy like burke will make all of the team's odd talent come together. of course, it would help immensely if you could have a guy with burke's skills and michael carter williams size, but considering the real options, it won't get any better than trey burke.   i just hope joe d doesn't overlook the answer to his team's problems, right in his own backyard.  agree 100%.
i’m amzed when i read posts that argue that a mayo type scorer is the team’s biggest need.  it is almost as though they have not been watching pistons’ ball for the last few years.
a guy like burke will make all of the team’s odd talent come together.
of course, it would help immensely if you could have a guy with burke’s skills and michael carter williams size, but considering the real options, it won’t get any better than trey burke.  
i just hope joe d doesn’t overlook the answer to his team’s problems, right in his own backyard. 

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116032 frankie d Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:50:30 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116032 don't have any objection to drummond not playing 35 minutes a game yet. he should, however, be playing more with monroe. the fact that the spacing is so poor with the starters is because of frank's failure to put a game plan and a lineup on the floor that works, rather than some inherent problem playing monroe and drummond together.  make tay stay out in 3 point land, instead of migrating to the midrange on his isolation plays, keep monroe near the high post, unless he is screening for drummond, weak side, keep 3 shooters out there at all times, and you have more than enough space.  fans forget that the reason the whole "stretch 4" fad started was because there were so few bigs with big man skills.  detroit now has a couple of those guys.  it is a rare situation and can be a huge advantage. the coach just has to figure out how to best utilize those big guys and then force other teams to adjust to our guys. don’t have any objection to drummond not playing 35 minutes a game yet.
he should, however, be playing more with monroe.
the fact that the spacing is so poor with the starters is because of frank’s failure to put a game plan and a lineup on the floor that works, rather than some inherent problem playing monroe and drummond together.  make tay stay out in 3 point land, instead of migrating to the midrange on his isolation plays, keep monroe near the high post, unless he is screening for drummond, weak side, keep 3 shooters out there at all times, and you have more than enough space. 
fans forget that the reason the whole “stretch 4″ fad started was because there were so few bigs with big man skills.  detroit now has a couple of those guys.  it is a rare situation and can be a huge advantage.
the coach just has to figure out how to best utilize those big guys and then force other teams to adjust to our guys.

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116031 frankie d Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:32:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116031 his ability to guard the pick and roll is incredible, almost ben wallace-esque.  can you imagine how good he'll be once he really knows what he is doing?  can you imagine how much farther along he would be if he'd been tutored by big ben all season?  his ability to guard the pick and roll is incredible, almost ben wallace-esque. 
can you imagine how good he’ll be once he really knows what he is doing? 
can you imagine how much farther along he would be if he’d been tutored by big ben all season? 

]]> By: frankie d http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116030 frankie d Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:29:07 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116030 of course they can play together. monroe just has to develop that consistent midrange shot and everything comes together. as i've noted before, it appeared that he made a specific attempt to eschew that shot and try to get to the free throw line this year.  that change in his game led him to go through all kinds of ridiculous and ineffective fakes to try to get his defender to bite on the shot fake.  once teams scouted detroit this year, saw his hesitancy, and adjusted, monroe failed to make his counter-adjustment.  he should have simply started taking that open shot, without hesitation.   instead, he kept trying that fake, which no one ever took seriously, kept driving the ball into sagging defenses, and his game and confidence suffered. monroe will be fine.  his offensive game - including his shot - will be fine.   typically, however, detroit - and yes, i blame coaches here, as it is something the coaches have to be involved with - has been slow to react and adjust to what other teams are doing. once he starts taking that shot - and making it - he'll mesh perfectly with drummond, and they will be a devastating big man pairing.   of course they can play together.
monroe just has to develop that consistent midrange shot and everything comes together.
as i’ve noted before, it appeared that he made a specific attempt to eschew that shot and try to get to the free throw line this year.  that change in his game led him to go through all kinds of ridiculous and ineffective fakes to try to get his defender to bite on the shot fake.  once teams scouted detroit this year, saw his hesitancy, and adjusted, monroe failed to make his counter-adjustment.  he should have simply started taking that open shot, without hesitation.   instead, he kept trying that fake, which no one ever took seriously, kept driving the ball into sagging defenses, and his game and confidence suffered.
monroe will be fine.  his offensive game – including his shot – will be fine.  
typically, however, detroit – and yes, i blame coaches here, as it is something the coaches have to be involved with – has been slow to react and adjust to what other teams are doing.
once he starts taking that shot – and making it – he’ll mesh perfectly with drummond, and they will be a devastating big man pairing.
 

]]> By: Ozzie-Moto http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116022 Ozzie-Moto Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:36:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116022 OK hopefully my comments above are over the top and some sanity will rein but still seems like a team stuck in the past. Note the stories today that it is not not Durmmond but it is Monroe that needs to get up to speed to play the 4 (Some what true) but if if you have a game with a stretch 4 that Monroe can cover switch up and let Dru cover him.  IF he can guard D Wade i think he can pick up guarding a stretch 4..  Some how there always a reason not to get one with rebuilding the New Detroit Pistons  OK hopefully my comments above are over the top and some sanity will rein but still seems like a team stuck in the past. Note the stories today that it is not not Durmmond but it is Monroe that needs to get up to speed to play the 4 (Some what true) but if if you have a game with a stretch 4 that Monroe can cover switch up and let Dru cover him.  IF he can guard D Wade i think he can pick up guarding a stretch 4..  Some how there always a reason not to get one with rebuilding the New Detroit Pistons 

]]> By: Tom Y. http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-116019 Tom Y. Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:03:14 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-116019 I think he'll be better than Davis (in fact the per minute and advanced numbers say he already is). So I'm actually glad we didn't get the 1st pick in the draft.  My not so far-fetched fantasy lineup next year: Trey Burke/Knight Kim English/Knight Tay/Singler Moose/CV Drummond/Slava A great distributing, P&R point guard to run the offense, English starts next to him because he can guard SG's. Three shooters on the floor at all times (4 when CV plays) makes for great spacing for Andre and Moose. Alll it takes is drafting Burke, who looks within our range for now. If he rises to top-5, we can use some assets (Bynum, Max, JJ) to trade higher. Knight may still get there but it's not looking like it right now and Burke looks like he's already beyond what Knight's ceiling as a passer and floor general could be. I think he’ll be better than Davis (in fact the per minute and advanced numbers say he already is). So I’m actually glad we didn’t get the 1st pick in the draft. 

My not so far-fetched fantasy lineup next year:

Trey Burke/Knight
Kim English/Knight
Tay/Singler
Moose/CV
Drummond/Slava

A great distributing, P&R point guard to run the offense, English starts next to him because he can guard SG’s. Three shooters on the floor at all times (4 when CV plays) makes for great spacing for Andre and Moose. Alll it takes is drafting Burke, who looks within our range for now. If he rises to top-5, we can use some assets (Bynum, Max, JJ) to trade higher. Knight may still get there but it’s not looking like it right now and Burke looks like he’s already beyond what Knight’s ceiling as a passer and floor general could be.

]]> By: gmehl http://www.pistonpowered.com/2013/01/david-thorpe-andre-drummond-should-have-gone-second-in-this-draft/comment-page-1/#comment-115988 gmehl Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:21:27 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=12508#comment-115988 Yeah being foul prone usually comes down to having no motor which causes you to foul a lot because your fatigued. I don't agree with it but hopefully this is what Frank is doing with Drummond (building his motor gradually). I personally think Drummond should see extended minutes the rest of the season cause that tank needs to be running all game long next season. Yeah being foul prone usually comes down to having no motor which causes you to foul a lot because your fatigued. I don’t agree with it but hopefully this is what Frank is doing with Drummond (building his motor gradually). I personally think Drummond should see extended minutes the rest of the season cause that tank needs to be running all game long next season.

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