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Continued improvements of Andre Drummond, Lawrence Frank on display in win over Atlanta Hawks

As the Atlanta Hawks began chipping away at a Pistons lead that was as large as 19 points at one point Friday, rookie center Andre Drummond‘s struggles happened to coincide with an Atlanta run. Zaza Pachulia — a professional irritant — flustered Drummond, who picked up a technical foul. Then in the post in a one-on-one situation, Pachulia, a strong and crafty big with great footwork, tied Drummond in a knot on an up-and-under move that resulted in a bucket.

As tends to happen when Drummond makes a couple of mistakes, Lawrence Frank pulled his prized but still learning big man. The difference for both Drummond and Frank, though, was what happened on the game’s final possession. With the Pistons up one — thanks to what appeared to be an Al Horford game-tying three actually being a two upon review — Frank pulled Greg Monroe in favor of Drummond for the game’s final possession. On the in-bound, Josh Smith caught the ball in good post position on Drummond, but Drummond quickly fouled, knowing the Pistons had one to give. Then, on the ensuing play, Drummond switched and got his fingers on a jumper by Lou Williams that looked like a pretty clean look until Drummond flew into the picture.

This represented a great step forward for Frank, trusting Drummond in a tight end of game situation, and for Drummond, who overcame a couple of bad defensive mistakes from earlier in the game, moved past them and was fantastic on the game’s final possession.

Four straight wins have the Pistons back on track with an outside shot at the eight seed in the Eastern Conference, exactly where most predicted they’d be before the season started, and Frank continues to mystify with the ability of teams he coaches to play so, so badly to start seasons only to get much stronger as the season progresses.

Atlanta Hawks 84 Final

Recap | Box Score

85 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 29 MIN | 4-6 FG | 2-5 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 10 PTS | +6Maxiell was great defensively down the stretch, holding his position defensively against Al Horford (something Monroe and Drummond had a hard time doing), getting a tough rebound in traffic and a big block late in the game that helped preserved the win. The only slight criticism — he missed two free throws in the last two minutes that would’ve helped give the Pistons a bit more margin for error.
Tayshaun Prince, SF 29 MIN | 2-12 FG | 1-2 FT | 6 REB | 2 AST | 6 PTS | -4Prince played OK defense on Atlanta’s shooters, but he shot horribly himself and also made a costly turnover on an inbounds pass with six seconds left that gave the Hawks a chance to win the game.
Kyle Singler, SF 16 MIN | 1-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 2 PTS | -4Usually, even if Singler doesn’t do much scoring, he does enough other things — hustle plays, defense, rebounding or passing — that help contribute. Tonight, he didn’t do much of anything.
Greg Monroe, C 34 MIN | 5-14 FG | 8-10 FT | 9 REB | 1 AST | 18 PTS | -5Monroe didn’t shoot well and had a couple of bad defensive possessions, but he supplemented that by getting to the line and taking good care of the basketball. He also came up with three steals.
Brandon Knight, PG 36 MIN | 4-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 4 AST | 8 PTS | -8Knight got off to a decent start in this game and he took good care of the ball. He also had another strong defensive performance against Teague. Two things bothered me — the first obvious one was his 0-for-5 3-point shooting, including misses on several clean looks. The other, on the Pistons’ final possession, Prince was trying to find Knight on the inbound. Knight was held a few times by Teague. More than once, I’ve heard Knight compared to Chauncey Billups upside-wise. A key difference between the two was fully on display on that play — Billups has always been incredible at selling contact. Knight barely flinched. In that situation, you have to make it blatantly obvious to an official that you’ve been grabbed, and Knight didn’t do a good job of that.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 13 MIN | 0-4 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -7Villanueva, mainly an offense-only player, scores zero points and doesn’t get a bad grade? Well, in this bizarro world Pistons bench where formerly bad players are suddenly good, Charlie Villanueva plays defense. He had two blocked shots and several decent defensive possessions tonight. You read that correctly.
Austin Daye, PF 22 MIN | 9-11 FG | 0-1 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 20 PTS | +6Austin Daye may have had his best game as a pro tonight. His shooting prowess was obvious, but he’s also rebounding well, defending well and in a far cry from last season, looks like a legitimate NBA rotation player right now.
Andre Drummond, C 20 MIN | 3-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 9 REB | 0 AST | 6 PTS | +8I pretty much summed up Drummond’s performance above. He was his typical impactful self on defense, with a hiccup here and there when it comes to the finer points — he tends to make mistakes in one-on-one situations and crafty bigs with good footwork can exploit his weaknesses. But overall, he’s a major reason the Pistons are suddenly a competent team.
Will Bynum, PG 17 MIN | 2-8 FG | 1-2 FT | 3 REB | 5 AST | 5 PTS | -6Bynum struggled shooting the ball and had three turnovers, but he did a decent job of running the offense when he was in the game and picked up five assists in 17 minutes.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 24 MIN | 5-11 FG | 0-1 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 10 PTS | +19Stuckey was solid in his return to action and looked healthy. His presence probably means fewer minutes for Bynum and Singler in the long run, but that’s not a bad thing.
Lawrence FrankAs was mentioned in the comments, Frank’s substitution patterns in the fourth quarter probably helped contribute to an Atlanta run and the inbounds play he drew up for the team’s final possession could’ve been a disaster if the turnover resulted in Atlanta making a game-winning shot, but overall, the team is obviously progressing, he trusts Drummond more, he’s consistent and he certainly deserves credit for the team improving since their disastrous beginning.

97 Comments

  • Jan 4, 201310:15 pm
    by tarsier

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    What is happening to Monroe’s ability to hit shots? Still getting his points but his FG% really needs to return to the level it’s been at for the past two seasons.

  • Jan 4, 201310:20 pm
    by Vince

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    Its looking like the Singler-at-SG experiment is coming to a close, did he play in the fourth? He’s an average player, and could be a serviceable 8-9th man but I don’t see him starting in the future. 

    • Jan 4, 201310:27 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      he is better than average, because he is a good all around player…but he was forced out of position… it takes alot to chase SG around….

      Him coming off the bench would not be a bad thing 

    • Jan 4, 201310:46 pm
      by sebastian

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      Vince, finally someone agrees with me. I have been writing, since Day 1: Kyle Singler is an 8th or 9th-man. Anymore and you are asking too much from the guy.
      But, I was damn near banned from the “PistonsPals” forum.

      • Jan 4, 201310:56 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        First, no one ‘almost banned’ you from anything. Said you were wrong? Definitely. Almost banned you? No. Quit being a drama queen.

        Second, until very recently, Singler was playing better than all but four or five guys on this team. So yes, ideally, he’s probably a rotation guy, but not one of your top four or five in minutes played. But on this team? Daye and Villanueva have only recently been non-awful. Bynum was awful a majority of this season. Jerebko was awful. Maggette was awful. Stuckey, injuries aside, has been better off the bench and was also terrible to start the season.

        The only guys you could legitimately say were better than Singler for the majority of this season are Monroe, Drummond, Maxiell, Prince and Knight (though Knight’s been inconsistent as hell).

        No one is or has ever said that Kyle Singler is a legit starting two in the NBA. But your argument that he should’ve been the 8th or 9th player on this team has been fundamentally flawed all along because he’s just flat out out-played all but a handful of the guys on this team over the collective body of work of the season. Now, if Daye, Villanueva and Bynum continue playing great and Singler continues slumping, that will obviously change.

        You were wrong, and several people pointed that out to you. Just because circumstances have changed now based on better play from others and worse play from Singler doesn’t make you right in hindsight. 

        • Jan 4, 201311:13 pm
          by sebastian

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          Patrick and Vince, no disrespect, but Singler is an 8th or 9th-man on this roster, as it is currently constructed.
          He is too slow and too inactive to be confused as a starting SG on this roster and any other of the 29 teams’ starting rosters.
          Just face it Patrick, Singler is not all that. We’ll just have to continue to disagree on this one, my man.
          No problem, though, I’ll still continue to respect your work.

          • Jan 4, 201311:18 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            “Patrick and Vince, no disrespect, but Singler is an 8th or 9th-man on this roster, as it is currently constructed.”

            Singler would’ve been an 8th or 9th or 10th or even 11th man on this roster, if like five of the guys in front of him weren’t beyond awful for significant portions of this season. I’m not now or have never argued that Singler is anything more than a role player. But face it, for significant portions of this season, he’s just flat out been better than many other players on this team. I don’t think his production is even close to irreplaceable. I like him and think he’s a rotation guy on most teams, but the fact that he’s been one of the five or six most productive Pistons also partially explains why this team has largely been awful. It has been because several guys the Pistons were counting on for production have been, frankly, terrible, to the point that a limited second round pick who plays within himself, plays smart and is decent at a handful of useful things stole minutes from them. I don’t see the point in bashing Singler for that. Good on him for rising to the occasion and taking minutes from people who didn’t deserve them for most of this season.

          • Jan 5, 201312:30 am
            by Jodi Jezz

            Singler is a big time bum!..He’s an embarrassment and an eye sore to our starting line-up…

        • Jan 6, 20134:30 pm
          by Stuckey and Whoever

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          Stuckey played horrible to open the season.  But Singler slumping stretch has lasted longer than Stuckeys.  So he has not out played him for the majority of the year.  Take off your golden rim hate glasses you look at Stuckey with Patrick.  Everyone else has been just as streaky as Singler, if he starts and gets his 15 to 20 minutes..ok.  James Hardin came off the bench still got 32+ min a game.  But his slumping is not all his fault, once again the staff of the pistons asks a player to play out of position and learn on the fly.  A gamble I don’t think this team can continue to afford to make.  I think English should take his minutes unless the other team has a big shooting guard.  And Singler can also back up the three spot when needed.  The rotation should be set now though for the most part.  Its flawed but I still like there chances.

      • Jan 4, 201310:56 pm
        by Vince

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        His early production surprised me when he started, and like IHF pointed out he does a lot to stay in the game when his shot is off, which I was fine with. However, he has been playing fairly terribly as of late, and with the bench stepping up maybe its time for him to start on the bench. He’d be a great offensive force with the second unit and the starters can replace him with either Daye or Stuckey. I’m not sold on his role as a starter.

        • Jan 4, 201310:58 pm
          by Vince

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          Looks like Patrick conveyed what I wanted to say perfectly. 

        • Jan 5, 20132:58 pm
          by Chris H

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          At what point do we discuss putting Daye back in the starting lineup at the 2? He’s probably a little quicker and has a little better handle than Singler.  Singler can come in as the 3 off of the bench.  Daye at the 2 has been talked about before, he has had success there as well.  I think it might be a bit early to move Daye into the starting lineup, but he’d bring the same things that Singler brings, except he might not move as well without the ball.  Given another week or so of him playing well and I think this might work.  I don’t like stuckey in the starting lineup because I was Knight to work on being a PG, and I want to keep some floor spacing so Knight actually has some passing lanes to work with. 

          • Jan 5, 20136:37 pm
            by Crispus

            That would be a fun experiment. What do we have to lose? Still it might be a situational thing because I can imagine Daye getting torched on D by smaller quicker SGs

          • Jan 5, 20139:02 pm
            by Vince

            I like Stuckey as a sixth man, and would prefer him to stay as such for the reason you stated, and although I’d love it to happen, I know English won’t get significant minutes, which leaves Daye to man the 2 if Singler doesn’t get his sh*t together. 

            Daye was supposed to be a tall 2 when we first drafted him, there was no talk of him being a PF until his second year. Daye’s length would certainly be a mismatch for opposing teams and his hot shooting would mean he would stretch the D, he’d essentially be fulfilling Singler’s role but with more of a defensive mismatch and better shooting.

  • Jan 4, 201310:21 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    would have been nice to have kept Daye in that game longer…. we were struggling for offense and he was making everything

  • Jan 4, 201310:25 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I love the way Knight kept his dribble alive during this game….he is learning from Bynum

  • Jan 4, 201310:26 pm
    by Trent

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    If Daye continues to improve and Kyle continues to slide could we see a change to the starting line-up in a straight switch? Daye’s upside far outweighs that of Kyle and he seams to be growing in confidence with each game.

    that would also open some minutes off the bench for Kim who i believe has a future as a role player in this league.

    And Dre, ooooooohhhhhhhhh boy DRE!

  • Jan 4, 201310:30 pm
    by Fennis

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    Frank should get his first A of the season although I’m not sure why you play Will Bynum and CV with six min left preserving wooing point lead. In any event this is the first time I’ve seen Frank sub for defense for a single play. He should be doing this at the end of every quarter like his mentor Doc Rivers.

    Is it me or has Monroe taken on the whiny court personality of Austin Daye while Daye has takeN on the steady personality of Greg Monroe?

    i love the Drummond technical. Our bigs must get a bit nasty for the team to climb a level. I’m still smarting over the non response to the elbow to Jonas’s neck. Drummond and company have to push back, hard. And kudos for Frank for keeping him in the game. Frank has preached big man nasty since Day 1, which is why Maxiell gets so many minutes. Way to stick to your principles. 

    • Jan 4, 201310:35 pm
      by gmehl

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      Bullshit…Frank should get an F for that last in bounds play that almost cost us the game. He must really want to keep that draft pick.

      • Jan 5, 20139:58 am
        by MNM

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        It’s Frank’s fault that Prince inbounds a lazy pass…THAT’S “Bullshit“..

        • Jan 5, 201310:04 am
          by gmehl

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          The set up of that in bounds play was ridiculous. It is all on Frank as far as i’m concerned and even the Nique Wilkins and the other commentator said the same thing right before the play failed. It’s up to the coach to put his players in the best position to execute plays and Frank did not do that…FAIL!

    • Jan 5, 20133:47 am
      by Brigs

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      I’m with u on that I was soo surprised that nobody backed up jerebko wen that happened or when Westbrook pushed Drummond to the floor wen the got tangled up under the basket seems like we got a bunch of soft players on the team

    • Jan 5, 20138:43 am
      by bigtuna

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      You’re exactly right with Frank playing Drummond and Maxiell late, they both had huge defensive plays coming down the stretch.

  • Jan 4, 201310:34 pm
    by brgulker

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    I don’t think the pistons find themselves in a bind if Frank pulls the plug on the second unit earlier inthe fourth . Frank brutally mismanaged the fourth and nearly cost the game.

    I like that he went back to Dre… But he could have avoided the necessity.

    • Jan 4, 201310:42 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Baby steps. Frank is still no great shakes. But he’s slowly getting better than he was earlier in the season.

      • Jan 4, 201310:44 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        Drummond needs an updated Highlight Mix video

        • Jan 4, 201310:47 pm
          by ZekeKhaseli

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          He could be the best center the franchise ever had. Been following the pistons since ’88, special center like Drummond. Never had any. 

          • Jan 4, 201310:57 pm
            by sebastian

            Dre Drummond ain’t no William Bedford that’s for dam(n) sure!

          • Jan 5, 201312:11 am
            by gtg

            “He could be the best center the franchise ever had. Been following the pistons since ’88,…”
            Meaning I guess you missed Bab Lanier. That would be: Hall of Famer Bob Lanier.

          • Jan 5, 201312:46 pm
            by Anthony

            In all fairness he did say hes been following since 88 and Lanier retired in 84 I believe? Not to mention that 8 other teams passed up on Drummond, Lanier was a #1 overall draft pick so i kinda understand where ZekeKhaseli  is coming from…

          • Jan 5, 20133:11 pm
            by Chris H

            Lanier may have retired as late as 84, but he was off of Detroit before the Pistons before Isiah put on a pistons uniform.  I think it was in 78-79 detroit got rid of a lot of their older players and started to go young.  Isiah was one of the first pieces of the team that eventually won the championship. 

          • Jan 6, 201312:41 pm
            by Anthony

            HMMMMM… Sounds familiar!

          • Jan 6, 20135:05 pm
            by Chris H

            There is a huge way to go before Drummnd could even approach on Lainer.  Lainer averaged 20ts 10 rebs over a career.  He could post up, high or low, and if you wanted to sag off of him his jumper was reliable out to 18 ft, he shot 51% for his career, which spanned 14 years and carried on after major knee surgery (possibly a career ender in the 70s).  Anyway, does Dre have potential, yes. Is Lainer something to aspire to? Maybe but it is very, very, very difficult to tell because Lainer was that polished of a player even coming into the league while Dre is very raw.     

      • Jan 4, 201311:06 pm
        by Bugsygod

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        Knight needs the experience to make a play like you described Billups would make.  There was a reason Billups was traded so many times Early in his career, he was called a 2guard in a pg body.   The same critiques they say about knight, are they same they said about Billups.  Now I’m NOT saying knight is gonna be great as Billups etc. I’m saying they seem to have similar Styles to their games. Looking around the nba the guy I compare knight to is a CB type pg.  not rondo, not rose, not Westbrook , not Nash, not cp3, mbye a little dwill.  Who would you compare his game to patrick?

        • Jan 4, 201311:14 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          The flaw for me in any Knight-Billups comparison is that Billups, even at a young age, even as a college player, was always much stronger and drawing contact was always a huge part of his game. He certainly got better at it with age, but it was always there. It is not a part of Knight’s game and has not been either in college or a pro. That’s what I’m skeptical about him being able to develop. He can certainly get stronger, but the actual act of drawing contact is a skill. There are plenty of strong players who are terrible at drawing contact. It was always a natural thing for Billups.

          As far as who I’d compare him to, right now his best case for me are players like Jason Terry or Leandro Barbosa. Fast, good scorers who are occasionally explosive, occasionally error prone. Both guys passed well enough to play some PG in their careers, but never well enough that a team could survive with either playing PG full time. I certainly think Knight can be better than those guys, and I haven’t even closed the book on him being a full-time PG in this league, but I don’t think it’s disappointing if his career is more similar to Terry/Barbosa type players. Those guys have both had really good NBA careers. I think Knight is going to have a good career too, but until he shows a knack for taking contact and drawing fouls, it’s hard for me to see any Billups in him.

          • Jan 4, 201311:33 pm
            by Bugsygod

            Ok I can roll with that.  I was thinking those guys on the low side.  Darren collision, Brevin knight, hell dee brown.  But when I project a player I usually look to his upside.  If the player reaches their full potential he would be like “___  ___”.   I can really see your terry an barbosa comparisons too.
            To me the biggest difference in knight & billups games is there demeanor. Billups was such an extrovert, think he had the nickname mayor of the nba, because he knows so many players.  Usually the really good pg’s have big personalities natural leaders. That is what is missing to me from knight.  I think it hinders his game where he doesn’t focus on his teammates to make sure everyone is involved getting touches etc. I think they call it Natural  playmaking ability…   Not sure if he can learn that. 

          • Jan 4, 201311:53 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            I agree Knight doesnt sell contract…..but in the last few games his defense has picked up…Man to man…I still feel like we get ourselves in trouble when we decide to double and trap the ball…

            But Knight defense was EXCELLENT tonight 

          • Jan 5, 201311:34 am
            by Domnick

            i think the best comparison for BK is Mike Conley..
            Mike Conley didn’t start his career very strong… he was inconsistent… error prone too..
            But now, theres alot of improvement… including his decision making….
            Knight should be on that path too.. but im hoping its not gonna take 4 seasons to make him become consistent…
            right now, what i want with BK is to improve his turnovers… he needs to be a better distributor… it takes alot of experience to become one.. and im sold to that.. he works hards… he plays defense… so fine… he’ll become better…

          • Jan 5, 20133:21 pm
            by Chris H

            To echo what Patrick is saying right now if you check Nba.com billips is listed at 210 and knight is listed at 191.  They are both 6’3″.  There is a significant different in the way that an individual will play the game when he weighs 19 lbs more than another person.  One thing to note is that while Chauncey did a great job of selling contact he was definitely strong enough to take it and still finish strong. 

            Now I don’t think that the Knight-Billups comparisons are good with the exception that Billups took a while to develop, his playstyle didn’t really change during that time though.  He was always scoring, he learned to pass, and learned more about how to get points during the flow of the game and learned to run an offense, but he was still looking to score. 

      • Jan 4, 201311:20 pm
        by Herman Neutic

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        Actually, Frank has been “great shakes” for a long time. That’s why the Celtics hired him, not because he has red hair. Frank took the fall in NJ, which turned out to be a good thing for both Frank and the Pistons. But it’s not Frank who is taking the baby steps; after all, he’s been at this for years. It’s the team he is coaching and the players he is instructing that are slowly and steadily improving. It takes time. Everyone can just admit they were wrong about Frank and move on. 
        PS some posters may want to begin thinking about a name change. 

        • Jan 4, 201311:26 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Did the Celtics hire him to be their head coach? I must’ve missed that.

          Frank obviously knows more about the game than me, you or anyone else posting here. I’m not criticizing his basketball knowledge. I certainly don’t think I could coach at this level and I admire the work it has taken Frank, a guy who has never played, to get the gigs he’s had.

          But face it, to this point in his career, he’s a mediocre NBA head coach at best. He did an awful job with Detroit’s rotation for large portions of this season, playing under-producing players in the rotation too long at the expense of either really productive guys (Drummond) or young players who have more of a future with the team (Maggette taking minutes from all of their young wings, for instance).

          He’s done a better job in recent weeks. The team seems to respect him and buys into what he wants to accomplish. He seems intelligent. I honestly don’t have a lot of issues with him. I was in favor of his hiring because I thought he was the best of the available candidates (and yes, I still think Mike Woodson, despite his success with a good Knicks squad, would’ve done worse in a rebuilding situation in Detroit). But for anyone to say that Frank has done a good overall job in Detroit is crazy. He’s done a mediocre job, at best. If the team continues playing well this season and finishes strong, that will obviously change things. But right now, I think it’s completely proper to describe his performance as coach of this team overall as ‘not great.’

          • Jan 5, 201311:41 am
            by Herman Neutic

            Patrick, what you “missed” is not that the Celtics hired Frank as head coach, obviously they didn’t, but my point that they recognized his superior coaching skills.

            You say, “If the team continues playing well this season and finishes strong, that will change things.” Yes it will. But perhaps what it will change is your perception of things, not Frank’s coaching abilities. I think our main disagreement is over the time it takes to build a competitive and then championship team. You think it should be happening faster than it is, and it isn’t, so “Frank is mediocre, at best.” Thus, as the team continues to improve, you don’t see it happening because building a team takes more time than you have allotted for it. And you can’t see that Frank, in fact, has done a good job bringing this group of players together from day one and that now it is paying off. What you “see” is that Frank is taking “baby steps,” and that anyone who thinks “that Frank has done a good overall job in Detroit is crazy.”

            I guess that about sums it up, don’t you think? 

          • Jan 5, 201311:47 am
            by Domnick

            the only problem on this team is that.. we don’t have STAR CALIBRE PLAYERS… monroe is just incoming star… not yet…
            if we have MELO, LBJ, CP3… then Lawrence Frank and Pistons won’t have any problem with the record..
            lets be fair.. our lineup isn’t that good yet… but it will take shape once they are all on the same page

  • Jan 4, 201310:46 pm
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    Frank is learning as he goes along. The defensive subs Drummond for Monroe is a crucial call. A- for Frank. 

  • Jan 4, 201310:49 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Can Drummond Make the all 2nd defensive team?

    That would be a great achievement for him…

    Pistons need to campaign for Drummond defensively  

    • Jan 4, 201311:01 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      His minutes would need to increase significantly over the second half to do it.

      • Jan 5, 201312:55 pm
        by Anthony

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        Do you not see him starting after the all-star break unless Joe makes a move before or during the break?

  • Jan 4, 201310:54 pm
    by Wall-E

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    One time.   Just one time I would like to see somebody punch Zaza Pachulia realy, realy hard.

    • Jan 4, 201311:01 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Haha … no idea why everyone is so scared of Zaza.

    • Jan 6, 201312:44 pm
      by Anthony

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      I heard Metta “World Peace” likes to punch people!

  • Jan 4, 201310:55 pm
    by jkg1610

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    I think that  we can make a push for the playoffs! The pistons has an IDENITY now…. Just no lineup changes…. The only change i would use is kim english for kyle singler…..i like the bench mob its amazing and i say “if it aint broke dont fix it!”

  • Jan 4, 201310:58 pm
    by jkg1610

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    No trades unless it include tayshaun prince he sucks! Thats all

    • Jan 4, 201311:04 pm
      by Vince

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      Well apparently Memphis has Gay on the block…

      • Jan 4, 201311:51 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        if we have a chance to get Gay even at the cost of cap room its worth it….

        He would be the final piece we need to become a legit competing team…. 

    • Jan 4, 201311:05 pm
      by gmehl

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      So if someone offered to take CV you wouldn’t do it?? Seriously.

      • Jan 5, 20133:25 pm
        by Chris H

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        Maybe for two bags of chips this time (he’s been better lately, it was one bag of chips at the start of the season) just so we don’t have to pay him.  Yes he has been playing well and yes I do understand injuries poor team makeup etc etc etc, but when you get paid that much you’d better be making the team better and Charlie wasn’t doing those things. 

  • Jan 4, 201311:02 pm
    by Wall-E

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    On another note; I love how Maxiel has been playing.  …time to trade him! 

  • Jan 4, 201311:03 pm
    by Fennis

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    Look, the reason Singler starts is that the first unit needs someone that’s willing to patiently sit in the corner fifty percent of the time and also credibly guard the 2 spot. Austin can’t credibly guard the two and Stuckey is very uncomfortable sitting passively in the corner with occasional cuts to the basket. As was just said, leave well enough alone. Singler is barely playing twenty min a game anyway. This is the right line up for this team as currently constructed.

    • Jan 4, 201311:12 pm
      by gmehl

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      Well said Fennis i totally agree with you. Singler is a glue guy and that is exactly what he has been doing since he was included into the starting lineup. He comes in and does his role and makes the other starters better for it. The only other guy on the team that i feel could make a better impact as the starting SG is English.

    • Jan 5, 20139:38 am
      by Raphael

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      Actually, I think last night was the first game Singler play less than 20 mins. Since he has been in the starting lineup. 

  • Jan 4, 201311:08 pm
    by Fennis

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    Also want to credit Frank for keeping Tay on the bench. Tay has had a great year but he still gets far too many minutes given our depth at that position.

  • Jan 4, 201311:20 pm
    by gmehl

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    Also i’d like to add that after our 0-8 (7-20) start, anybody that thinks we don’t have a playoff shot should think again. I am not sure how i would feel about us squeaking into the 8th spot but after our terrible start with our hectic schedule we are not far off. You would assume that other teams schedules that are just above us (Magic, 76ers, Celtics) will soon get harder. If we could only of started the season a little better we could be sitting in 6th or 7th.

    • Jan 5, 20139:08 am
      by Vic

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      Before the season I thought we would be 6 or 7th
      Then Franks “no wins for you until you submit to my process” happened.

  • Jan 4, 201311:25 pm
    by Fennis

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    Forget the lottery. This draft is terrible. There’s no one outside of the top five that would be in our rotation at this point. Moreover, we don’t need more young talent. The youngsters we got are starving for minutes.

  • Jan 4, 201311:27 pm
    by Mone

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    Daye was great tonight.. He has potential to be a slower yet taller Durant like player..

  • Jan 4, 201311:27 pm
    by gmehl

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    I read an article the other day where someone compared Drummond to Shawn Kemp. I felt it wasn’t a bad comparison even though i don’t like doing that (comparing players). Kemp however had an ok jump shot but was nowhere near the defensive presence that Drummond is/can/will be. All we need to do now is to put Gary Payton into a time machine and sign him as a free agent. The glove would be something we could get behind as piston fans.

    • Jan 5, 20134:05 am
      by Derek

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      @gmehl Are you kidding?  Shawn Kemp was a monster.  He was one of the few players who could guard Barkley, Malone, and Shaq one-on-one without help defense.  He was strong, fast, and agile.  It took him awhile to develop a jumper but once he did he was well on his way to being one of the all time greats.

      If it wasn’t for his lack of off court discipline which lead to him tanking his career, he would have been arguably the greatest powerforward in an era when the 4 position was the marquee spot.

      For Drummond to get compared to Kemp is crazy.
      I’m hopeful that Knight will develop into a pg like Payton.  Both Drummond and Knight have a lot of work ahead of them to reach the lofty status set by Kemp and the Glove. 

      • Jan 5, 201310:14 am
        by gmehl

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        If read what i said again you will realize that ‘i read an article’ not ‘said it myself’ personally that Drummond was compared to Kemp. I just said that i thought it wasn’t a bad comparison. You would assume that the comparison was what Drummond could be once/if he reaches his ceiling. The way Drummond catches his ally-oops are eerily similar to the way Kemp used to and the measurements aren’t far off each other either (Drummond weighing alot more):
        Kemp – 6’10 230lbs
        Drummond – 270lbs 

        • Jan 5, 201311:03 am
          by Derek

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          I apologize for not being clear.  I wasn’t commenting on the comparison being made, I was actually trying to comment on your statement that Kemp was nowhere near the defensive presence Drummond is or will be.  In my mind Kemp was one of the truly great defenders of his time.  He was one of the only guys versatile enough to guard Shaq and turn around and guard Barkley.

          I like the comparison, I just believe you under sold Kemp’s defensive ability.  Sorry for the confusion 

          • Jan 5, 20136:15 pm
            by gmehl

            I saw Kemp’s whole career played and he at the same age (19) was no where near where Drummond is as a defensive presence. Drummond i feel will end up winning multiple DPOY and make 1st and 2nd all defensive teams. Early on in his career Kemp was always missing defensive rotations and when he showed better effort he would foul a lot and end up on the bench in foul trouble. Kemp never made 1 1st or 2nd defensive team. I am not saying Kemp was a bad defender but he also wasn’t the best defending PF in history like your making him out to be. Late in his career he’d win the race to front of a buffet line though.

      • Jan 6, 20134:08 pm
        by Stuckey and Whoever

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        Shawn Kemp was my favorite player growing up.  I never thought about comparing the two but Dre could mold his game after him.  Kemp became the offensive monster though so Dre has a long way to go.  But he was the rawest most talented big of his time.  And I think Dre can be the same.

  • Jan 4, 201311:38 pm
    by Fennis

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    Hilarious. That is a good comparison. I think Dre will end up with a similar offensive game, not much outside of seven feet but a power game plus excellent touch near the rim. People fail to realize that he played a small forward’s game in high school and AAU just two year’s ago. Check the YouTube footage.

  • Jan 4, 201311:45 pm
    by Blocks By Dre

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    <———Formerly known as Daye and Knight, but this is the name of my fantasy basketball team so I just decided to roll with this from now on

    I definitely like what I see but I think we’re a trade away from being able to make a legitimate push to the postseason. With that being said, the Eastern Conference is horrible, so it wouldn’t be jaw dropping if I woke up one morning and saw we had the 8th seed

    • Jan 4, 201311:52 pm
      by gmehl

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      My jaw would drop because after the start we had (0-9…7-20) it would be nothing short of a miracle. We are only one step away from the mediocrity treadmill. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

      • Jan 4, 201311:58 pm
        by Blocks By Dre

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        With as awful as our Conference has been as a collective unit, all it would take is a few Eastern Conference teams to go on a West Coast trip and lose virtually every game out west. Any team not named the Bobcats or Wizards has a chance…and in the beginning of the season it looked like Charlotte was going to have a legitimate shot

        • Jan 5, 201312:51 pm
          by tim

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          two things.  one helps, one hurts.  We have already played a decent number of west coast teams, which means that we probably have less hard matchups down the stretch than most other teams in the “playoff hunt”.  But, we have played more games than almost everyone and, with our terrible early record, that means we have more ground to make up in less games.  

  • Jan 4, 201311:51 pm
    by Mrshourite

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    Awesome Dre!!! 

  • Jan 4, 201311:54 pm
    by Mrshourite

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    I must stay that was bogus tech! Zaza was trying to pull Drummond down tobthe ground with him; and Dre simply snatched his arm away.,

  • Jan 5, 201312:04 am
    by Mrshourite

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    Knight played excellent D on Jeff Teague but Teague played good D on him as well; turnovers are seeming way too common place nowadays with him. He has a knack for pushing the ball with his head down right into the defense and if he isn’t driving to the basket he picks up his dribble early which often leads to an ill advised pass/turnover. Teams have picked up on this and that’s why they pressure him because they know he has a high probability of coughing the ball up. Daye should have played more. Stuckey played like a big fella in the paint. Maxiell balled his azz off! Monroe gets small down low and lately has played like a punk. Every possession you hear him yell “Ohhh!” and then proceed to cry to the refs. Man up and play ball and stop playing for the whistle all the damn time Greg!!!

    • Jan 5, 201310:03 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Knight against the Kings had two turns overs both unforced ….

      Against Last Night he had two turnovers, but the bad part is they both came in the 4th qrt… it had nuffin to do with him dribbling with his head down.

      One you can argue was a foul, I feel like Knight doesnt sell contact, and another turnover was a lazy entry post pass. 

    • Jan 5, 20132:51 pm
      by Crispus

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      I hate to say it but he reminds me of Carlos “GIMME THAT JOE” Boozer in the paint.

  • Jan 5, 201312:36 am
    by Pistons moribund

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    Maxs defense on smith was awful, just because he makes a few stops at the end dosent mean that his overall game was good.  His net defense is bad especially on the pick and roll.  That why smith got 12 points in the first. His man dares him to shoot from the outside.  His defender also sluffs of him to defend the lane and he dosent roll to the basket on the pick and roll.  I am glad that his stock seems to be trending up so we can trade him.  Still just a dream though that it might happen. This would get dre into the starting lineup and open the rotaion for JJ.

  • Jan 5, 20131:12 am
    by jay

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    i think singler is a good role player and i rather he started because i like the bench the way it is and he is one of the better shooters om the team and he needs to be in the starting lineup to give monroe and knight space and he plays hard and smart, no one else fits with knight at the 2 guard

  • Jan 5, 20132:26 am
    by Nick

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    The Pistons are just 1 playmaking guard away from being a top team in the east. That one guard that would be a perfect fit is Marcus Smart. He is a playmaker and a true leader. I like Shabazz and Mclemore but they seem more like system players to me. Marcus Smart is a straight up beast that can come and take over from day one.

    • Jan 5, 20133:15 am
      by jacob

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      We will have to be pretty bad to draft any of those players.

  • Jan 5, 20137:04 am
    by scott

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    what do you guys think about a trade for Rudy Gay?  Memphis reportedly has him on the block…   a trade of Prince and Maggette for Gay would work out financially, give memphis a veteran SF and get them under the cap for next year, and detroit gets a young star SF.

  • Jan 5, 20138:20 am
    by apa8ren9

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    Noted Daye hater here.   I have to give him his props tonight.  He was damn good and I was even cheering for him.  Keep it up and I wont hate on you so much.

  • Jan 5, 20138:26 am
    by Craig

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    Scott I’d do that trade though I’m not sure Joe wants to lose the cap space he’d get by dealing Maggette. I also think if Gay came over from Memphis we’d need to adjust our starting lineup to compliment his athleticism. A formidable starting five revision:

    Knight
    Stuckey
    Gay
    Moose
    Dre

    • Jan 5, 20134:51 pm
      by Chris H

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      Really if he wanted more cap space and had the permission he could always amnesty Charlie V.  On that note if Memphis could be interested in a palyer like Charlie  because he could create more lineup mismatches for them because he would ork well with Gasol or Randolph.  Someone commented that Joe might have a few trades in mind, hopefully something like that is in the works. 

      • Jan 5, 20136:43 pm
        by Crispus

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        And if we could get rid of Maxiell we’d be interested in a player like Mareese Speights.

  • Jan 5, 20139:07 am
    by MitchEPooh

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    Frank doesn’t deserve such a high grade. While waiting for the replay to see if it was a 2 or a 3, he had an opportunity to design 2 plays. Instead he blew his last timeout! You may want to save your last timeout in case, I don’t know, you have trouble getting the ball inbounded! Not a Tay fan but he doesn’t deserve to be ripped for the inbound pass, he had no choice. Frank had 5 minutes to do something right and blew it. He’s not getting better, he’s getting luckier. Again, the Stones win in spite of their coach.

  • Jan 5, 201311:28 am
    by Pistons moribund

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    Luck is when oppurtunity meets preparation.

  • Jan 5, 201311:51 am
    by Ryank

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    It is so painful watching Bynum dominate the ball down the stretch.  He’s totally out of control most of the time and he’ll miss shot after shot in the lane among the trees.  With the offense stopping while he hogged the ball, we are fortunate to have won this game.
     
    Knight has lost all my confidence handling the ball.  When he’s handling it down the stretch when defenses tighten up, it’s a turnover far too often.  I feel a sense of relief when the ball is passed to Tay or to Stuckey…they are so much better ballhandlers. 
     

  • Jan 5, 20131:21 pm
    by Scott Free

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    I was at this game and a couple things I took away:

    1. The guy dressed as Darth Vader was taller than Jason Maxiel

    2. The crowds are still thin in sections but growing larger

    3. Until the final quarter they seemed more interested in free pizza, raffle tickets, and tshirt guns to pay attention to the game.

    4. The shooting was horrendous, in large part for both teams.

    5.  I was impressed by Franks use of Knight, Stuckey, Daye, Monroe, Drummond.  That is a BIG f’n lineup, that could (and occasionally did) present troubles for the Hawks.  

  • Jan 5, 20135:18 pm
    by Riz

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    Frank is a terrible coach! What kind of play was that at the end of the game with no timeouts left STUPIDITY. His lineup management and substitutions are idiotic. Teams go on late runs and he doesn’t recognize and adjust till its too late 

  • Jan 5, 20139:51 pm
    by Pratik

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    Bottom line is Frank won’t make any changes to the rotation if we keep winning like this, which is completely fine. Right now you have to go with what works. Kyle is fine starting as long as Stuckey and whoever is playing well that night be it Drummond, Daye, or CV, or Bynum off the bench gets equal minutes.

    I do think that Daye should have gotten more minutes in the 4th, ATL started to gain momentum as the bench was getting ready to be substituted in and then the starters came in and couldn’t score. But it’s okay we won. 4 games in a row, we are 3 games behind Philadelphia for 9th place. We just have to continue winning our home games and beat the bucks on the road, before the London game against the Knicks, which is also a winnable game. Go Pistons. 

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