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Will Bynum the biggest star on a court that featured LeBron James and Chris Bosh in Pistons win over Miami

Will Bynum … what you can really say? Actually, Sean Corp of Detroit Bad Boys probably said it best on Twitter. I was teasing him a bit because he — accurately, it needs to be said — pointed out the significant flaws in Bynum’s game and his overall lack of production as a member of the rotation earlier this season. Here’s how Sean responded to me bringing up Bynum’s recent success (25 points and 10 assists against Miami after his 31-point performance against Atlanta earlier this week):

That’s honestly about all you can say about Bynum. When his shots are going in, he’s insanely fun to watch, but he’s still taking a lot of bad shots. When his shots are not falling, he goes from being a really fun, unorthodox player to watch to someone who absolutely kills the team when he’s on the court. But everyone knows what Bynum is by this point, so there’s no need to belabor what’s going on. Every season, Bynum is going to be wildly inconsistent, but he’s also a guy capable, on rare occasions, of winning or nearly winning a game for a team off the bench. We’ve seen that in the last two games, when he nearly got the Pistons a win over the Hawks and, tonight, when he led them to an exciting, improbable win over the defending champs.

To be clear, it wasn’t all Bynum. The entire bench has suddenly become fantastic. Andre Drummond has been very good off the bench all season and Bynum, along with Charlie Villanueva and Austin Daye, have gone from being castoffs who, at times over the last couple seasons, didn’t even look like they belonged in the NBA, to looking over the course of two games like a really fun, havoc-wreaking, energy-filled unit over the last two games. I have no idea if they can sustain it, but I know that I have had more fun watching these games than I have at any point in recent Pistons history.

Miami Heat 99 Final

Recap | Box Score

109 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 19 MIN | 4-7 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS | -7Maxiell shot OK, but one rebound in 19 minutes against a Miami frontline that, while obviously talented, sometimes plays Shane Battier at the four spot?
Tayshaun Prince, SF 36 MIN | 4-9 FG | 2-2 FT | 0 REB | 4 AST | 11 PTS | -11Prince moved the ball and shot OK. He didn’t really slow LeBron James down much when he was guarding him, but who can?
Kyle Singler, SF 31 MIN | 5-11 FG | 1-1 FT | 5 REB | 2 AST | 12 PTS | +14Singler shot well, but was also really active moving without the basketball. He helped out on the glass and was his typical smart, opportunistic self.
Greg Monroe, C 28 MIN | 3-6 FG | 0-1 FT | 7 REB | 2 AST | 6 PTS | -6Monroe had a quiet game, but then again, so did just about every starter. He shot 50 percent and he rebounded well though, and that’s more than a couple of his fellow starters can say about their performances.
Brandon Knight, PG 20 MIN | 1-3 FG | 4-6 FT | 3 REB | 3 AST | 7 PTS | -7Even with Will Bynum playing out of his mind, there is no chance Bynum plays his way into a starting job. And too often, Brandon Knight plays like a guy who feels absolutely no pressure from the players below him on the depth chart. He was passive and a bit sloppy, and he’ll be right out there starting the next game at point guard because the Pistons have no option who can push him.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 26 MIN | 7-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 18 PTS | +21Villanueva’s offense speaks for itself, but what has been truly impressive about him is the effort he’s put into other parts of his game. He’ll never be a great rebounder or a defensive stopper, but he can be better at those things than what we’ve seen from him in his career so far. Tonight, he grabbed six rebounds and really did a pretty nice job closing out on shooters, particularly Shane Battier, when Miami went small.
Austin Daye, PF 29 MIN | 4-5 FG | 1-2 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 11 PTS | +17The biggest thing for Daye is obviously just knocking down shots, and tonight he did that. But like Villanueva, the key for him sticking in the rotation is consistently doing other things at at least an average level. Tonight, he helped rebound and he contested shots. Like with Villanueva, he’s probably never going to be a great, instinctive defender, but his height is certainly a weapon for him defensively. He can get a hand in the face of shooters and bother shots when he wants to.
Andre Drummond, C 23 MIN | 5-7 FG | 0-0 FT | 10 REB | 0 AST | 10 PTS | +12It’s no coincidence that players with awful defensive reputations like Daye and Villanueva suddenly look formidable when they play their minutes with Drummond. Imagine the impact he might have playing next to … nevermind. Drummond’s production continues to stay consistent, he looks more confident nearly every game and, most importantly, he finely seems to be earning more trust from Lawrence Frank. Better late than never.
Will Bynum, PG 28 MIN | 10-16 FG | 2-3 FT | 2 REB | 10 AST | 25 PTS | +17I said most of it above when it comes to Bynum. He has an amazing ability to look like he’s got nothing left as a NBA player, then suddenly absolutely carry a team. The Pistons have fed off his energy and how hard he plays. The entire second unit was sprinting up and down the court with Bynum. When the game ended, Drummond ran up to Bynum to give him a bearhug. Obviously, Bynum probably can’t sustain this. But I can’t deny these momentary flashes when he unleashes a dynamic performance have been some of my favorite moments of the last four years.
Lawrence FrankFor as much flack Lawrence Frank has (deservedly) taken about his rotation, he seems to be coming around. Tonight, his starters clearly didn’t have it. His bench clearly did. And he trusted his bench to win this game for him. That is a great step in the right direction for Frank.

105 Comments

  • Dec 28, 201210:50 pm
    by NickB

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    I’m almost upset that Daye is proving me wrong because it means Jonas is going to get absolutely no playing time, but if Daye can capitalize on his potential…
     
    Also, it was nice to see the starters show up in the 3rd quarter after getting embarrassed.

    • Dec 29, 20124:05 pm
      by Mone

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      What the hell is so good about JJ??? He is a very boring, undersized forward who isn’t particularly good at anything. I never understood why people would choose him over someone as unique as Daye..

  • Dec 28, 201210:51 pm
    by Reaction

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    Dumars better still be pushing for some serious trades especially when trade value is increasing (I would hope)

  • Dec 28, 201211:11 pm
    by MNM

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    Question for anybody: Would you take a chance on Demarcus Cousins and trade Greg Monroe “and change” to get him, hoping that his relationship with Joe Dumars would curb his attitude a little?

    • Dec 28, 201211:17 pm
      by Mark

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      Yes, and I think it would be SAC including the “change” part of the deal, with Cousins stock being low right now.

      But yeah, I would do that deal. It would be risky, but trading Stackhouse for Rip, Carlisle for Brown, trading for Rasheed, etc were all risky moves. I think Dumars is at his best when making bold moves. Sure the AI/Billups trade didn’t work directly, but indirectly, blowing up that team when he did is what led to us getting Drummond, so in a way it all worked out.

      • Dec 28, 201211:18 pm
        by Mark

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        Drummond/Cousins could be Wallace x2 Part 2 on defense

        • Dec 29, 20124:33 pm
          by Worm

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          That is a complete disservice to either Wallace. I’m not sure why people have this preconceived notion that Demarcus Cousins is any good at defense. He might not be better than Monroe. He has the physical tools but he is lazy and uninterested.

      • Dec 28, 201211:29 pm
        by MNM

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        Well the Billups/A.I. trade first and foremost was for that expiring contract, because it was clear the “Going to Work” era was running on empty.. If Iverson injected life into that group, then that was gonna be the icing on the cake..didn’t happen and the money went to BG and CV.. but I agree with everything else you said.. With DC, at least you know defensively you’ve upgraded and he can still average a double/double on most nights.. Gregs limitations, although he’s a good guy, are starting to wear thin with me..

        • Dec 29, 201210:35 am
          by Mark

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          yeah, that was what I was saying. AI/Billups trade was a bold move, deciding to blow up that team who had just come off a 59 win season and got to game 6 of the ECF.

          But it proved a smart move because by choosing to start the rebuild early, we were able to accumulate a bunch of top young talent in the draft. Had we never made that trade, we probably are in the position BOS has been the last few years. Make the playoffs every year, maybe win a playoff series or two off exp. But have no chance at actually winning it all, and have no real core for the future.

          I’m glad we made the trade now, because otherwise we wouldn’t have Drummond. 

          • Dec 29, 201212:34 pm
            by Crispus

            This comment seems a little rose colored. I’d rather be Boston than wander in the darkness like the Pistons have.

    • Dec 28, 201211:45 pm
      by tarsier

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      What is DMC better at than Monroe? Given that he has significant risk of being a headcase, he would need to have a lot more upside to make the trade worthy of consideration.

      • Dec 29, 201210:30 am
        by Mark

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        IMO,

        Cousins = Monroe: offensively, playmaking, and rebounding.

        Cousins > Monroe: defensively, physicality, toughness etc

        Cousins < Monroe: attitude

        Basically, you get everything Monroe can do on offense and rebounding, plus an upgrade on defense and toughness up front.

        Cousins fits East basketball to a tee. Monroe fits West basketball to a tee.

        They are like babies who got taken home from the hospital by the wrong family by mistake. And now 3 yrs later, each family is starting to see neither looks like they belong and are starting to wonder if they brought home the wrong baby. Monroe does not fit Pistons bad-boy basketball that Frank is trying to get them to play. He can’t even finish games anymore because of it. 

        The Pistons and Kings both drafted the wrong player in 2010. The picks should’ve been flip flopped and now they have a chance to do so. Monroe is the prototype Kings Center, when you think of guys like Webber, Vlade, and Miller. Cousins is the prototype Pistons PF when you think of guys like Mahorn and Sheed. 

        It makes too much sense.

         

        • Dec 29, 20122:02 pm
          by tarsier

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          I disagree that Cousins is better than Monroe offensively. Can he put up more points? Sure. But he is a n inefficient bulk shooter. Monroe is having a terrible year efficiency-wise and he’s still outdoing DMC in that regard.

  • Dec 28, 201211:11 pm
    by ryan

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    Holy shit. I’m shocked. Drive that trade value up fellas drive it up as far as you possibly can.

    • Dec 28, 201211:22 pm
      by Mark

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      This. Our “scrubs” are playing like All-Stars, and suddenly looks like we have a roster where every player on the team has trade value, be it based on talent or EXP contracts. 

      I could see some major trade action happening this Feb from Dumars. 

  • Dec 28, 201211:21 pm
    by Mike

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    Andre in the middle allows Bynum to penetrate cuz the opposition center has to stay with Andre or else alley oop.  Once Bynum penetrates, that opens the floor for Daye and Charlie V.

    On defense again, Andre is infectious.  You can’t be on the floor with him and play soft if you’re Charlie V or Daye.  I could be wrong about that but, one thing I know, Daye and Charlie V. are both playing their best defense ever as Pistons… maybe it just happens to be cuz the have a defensive beast next to em.

    Singler seems to compliment that gang quite well, their hustling and that is his style, plus he benefits from the penetration on the kick outs.  Now, if we can just get Bynum to dish when his shot goes cold, you got a second string that deserves start minutes plus.

    Fun to watch.  We all know the second string can’t shoot lights out like that forever, but you also know that Daye was no where near as bad as he has looked in the last year.  Remember a couple years back when he hit SEVEN 3s in a row…
     
    By the way, I wish they’d stop playing that commercial with BK7 dribbling over a broom, all I think about is how he should be practicing NOT turning the ball over… he and Monroe have been the turn over duo of late.  Somebody tell them to stop – FRANK.

  • Dec 28, 201211:23 pm
    by Mark

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    Drummond/Bynum together remind me of Howard and Jameer Nelson.

    I think the Pistons are starting to find out the kind of pieces that fit best around Drummond. A penetrating PG and a 4 who can step out and shoot the 3. 

    • Dec 28, 201211:52 pm
      by Tyrone

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      good point, I agree W/Mark.

      The Pistions are starting to find out the kind of pieces that best fit around Drummond.  Athletic penetrating PG and a PF who can step out and hit the 3 ball.    

    • Dec 29, 20123:34 am
      by Vince

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      Could work, trade Monroe and Maxiell to New Orleans for Anderson and a scrub (Lets take D. Miller). Detroit gets a solid perimeter threat and good all around player in Anderson and the Hornets get a New Orleans native with double-double potential to pair with Davis with Maxiell on the bench to help Robinson out with the second unit. Good trade for everyone.

      Someone call Joe D.

  • Dec 28, 201211:33 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    Well thankfully Drummond is already more mature than Howard .. 

  • Dec 28, 201211:46 pm
    by Venice

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    i would love to swap Cousins with Monroe .we need to go back to being a defensive team and Monroe is too soft to cut it.

  • Dec 28, 201211:53 pm
    by Tyrone

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    Will the thrill dose it again, CV31 also played another good game.  Good win team.

  • Dec 29, 201212:01 am
    by shawn brown

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    loved this game. am i the only one who gets tired of seeing lebron hack a player (tonight it was maxiell) and then run over to the ref like hes shot out of a cannon, begging for an explanation. i think that when your as good a player as he is you dont need all the extra help from the refs.  bad enough he can just run over people like its football and never be called for a charge.  i still say its a good thing for lebron and wade that they happen tp play in what has to be the most soft era of basketball in the NBA’s history.

    great win for all us diehards out there.

  • Dec 29, 201212:02 am
    by Masfsldf

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    moose for cousins would be a bad trade for the pistons. cousins will clash with all the players and coaching staff sure Monroe does not have as much talent as cousins but he works hard and i feel we just need a athletic wing and we can have a playoff run   

  • Dec 29, 201212:05 am
    by kamal

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    I DO not like Will Bynum nor his style of play.  But tonight, he hit some big shots to solidify our victory.  And even though we won tonight, the worst thing for a team trying to improve is confident Will Bynum with the greenlight and guaranteed minutes.

    I shudder to think of how we’ll look when his hot streak is over. 

  • Dec 29, 201212:13 am
    by Mrshourite

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    Unfortunately Patrick was right about Knight and his starting role. Despite his lackluster performance he still is safe as our starting “point guard” (for now). I’m sorry, but he was a non factor tonight and each game it’s becoming more apparent that we need a starting caliber pg. I’m sorry but Knight is not the answer there. It makes you wonder though if Will continues playing lights out, and Stuckey continues playing solid when he comes back how long before any starting lineup changes are made. Like I mentioned before I start to cringe when I see Knight trying to push a fast break, because I know there is a 90% chance that it will result in a turnover. Earlier in the telecast they voted that he was the most improved Piston this year. In my opinion he regressed somewhat from last year. During his rookie year he was my favorite Piston besides Monroe. I like the kid, but I’m just saying. 

  • Dec 29, 201212:14 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I feel like Knight with the Starts does not have the same freedom, or options on offense that Bynum has with the 2nd unit…

    Think about it…

    Bynum has

    Daye and Charlie both stretch the floor….

    Drummond athleticism….

    Stuckey when healthy can get his own shot…

    Vs

    Knight has..

    Monroe who slows down the offense..

    Maxiell who is not effective unless that 40% jumper is falling

    Singler playing out of position at SG…

    Prince who slows down the offense…

    We’ve seen this in the last two game

      

    • Dec 29, 201212:23 am
      by Jon

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      exactly. not to mention that the second unit just plays a more free style. watching our starters compared to our second unit is like watching two different teams. BK needs more time playing with that free style of offense with our shooters because right now he is only effective when he is spotting up and knocking down threes

    • Dec 29, 201212:27 am
      by Daye and Knight

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      I agree with everything you just mentioned. Prince and Monroe (overrated) slow down our offense enough so that Knight can’t get as many assist as Will would with MORE TALENT in the second unit than there is in the first unit as well. 

      • Dec 29, 201212:34 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        There was a stretch of games…Where Knight was taking 17-18 shots per-game…

        He was scoring with ease…he was getting 35 plus mins per-game…

        Then there was an article, and about him being a scorer and not a PG, then all of a sudden it became about Knight not being the aggressive scorer everyone knows he can be…

        it bothers me…

    • Dec 29, 20126:24 am
      by Vic

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      Right. The real story is how Drummond makes the game easier

      • Dec 29, 20129:53 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        its man to man defense…i love the play when Knight switched and stayed with Lebron,,,although Knight got eyes up easier for the 3..it was nice to see them not chasing the ball…

        A few times they chased the ball a little and gave up some threes…but thats going to happen when Lebron Penetrates 

  • Dec 29, 201212:15 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    i would NOT trade Daye!

    I said it before, he is a good offensive player, the problem has been him looking over his shoulder, to know you are going to get shots, and can play through mistakes does wonders

    • Dec 29, 201212:25 am
      by Jon

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      agreed no point trading someone with potential for a second rounder which is as much as we could get for him. 6′ 11″ shooters don’t exist in the second round

    • Dec 29, 201212:45 pm
      by Crispus

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      Even playing like he is now, Daye represents great value. He could get a lot better if he gets good pt and is surrounded by good chemistry like the bench is exuding now. He seems like a dude who’s most significant limit is his confidence level.

  • Dec 29, 201212:21 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    @Patrick…

    How many people saw the lil move when he faced up against Bosh, and finished easy at the Rim?

    And Him pushing the ball on that steal?

    Some of his passes he has done in past game…

    I know some dont like the Dwight comparison…but I just believe he is much better player than Dwight was as a rookie… he has his first back to back double double game 

  • Dec 29, 201212:23 am
    by Sidewalkvendor

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    Imagine if we drafted kawhi leonard over knight.

    • Dec 29, 201212:26 am
      by Jon

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      then we’d have an even bigger logjam at sf

    • Dec 29, 201212:27 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      then would we have drummond?

    • Dec 29, 201210:37 am
      by Mark

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      Didn’t Leonard just get sent to the D-League recently? LOL

      One of the most overrated young players in the league. He puts up average numbers as a role player, yet ppl think he’s great just because he’s on a winning team.

      He’s at best the next Tayshaun Prince. 

      • Dec 29, 20122:10 pm
        by AJ

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        Kawhi got sent to the d-league for rehab purposes (like what NY did with Amar’e.) Kawhi is a pretty solid player though.

  • Dec 29, 201212:26 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    then we would have drummond…

  • Dec 29, 201212:33 am
    by Sidewalkvendor

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    Leonard can play the two and three spot and is also good defensively. Maybe we just need someone who can “push” knight to play better.

    • Dec 29, 201212:39 am
      by Jon

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      i think we need for him to actually get a chance to play point guard with shooters around him instead of just handing the ball off every time down the floor then essentially playing shooting guard with prince and monroe doing ball handling duties

  • Dec 29, 201212:37 am
    by Jon

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    we should not trade monroe for cousins. he has screwed up three times THIS SEASON. he’s always been a headcase since high school and he’ll likely only be happy if he gets to pick the GM, coach, roster, and touch the ball every time down the court. i think everyone agrees he has more raw talent than monroe but he shoots a lower percentage and doesn’t rebound much better than monroe. he has the talent to play defense but he’s uninterested most of the time. monroe may look vulnerable playing defense now but in two years anyone who plays with drummond is going to look like a quality defender so its a non-issue imo. cousins would have to have a ceiling of being the best player in the league to offset the risks involved in trading for him

  • Dec 29, 201212:40 am
    by Lake Side Live

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    After the Atlanta game I said bynum’s stats were a fluke, definately was proven wrong for at least one more game tonight.  When we acquired bynum i mentioned to my private cirlce (this was before I knew about “blogs”) that I didn’t understand why we needed a volume shooter 6th man like ben gordon when it seemed we had one in will bynum.

    I’ll explain in his time in chicago gordon never played under 24 min or put up less than 12 shots a game.  Bynum was coming off of his first year with the pistons where in games that averaged 20 or minutes 16 in all he average 16.4 ppg. The correlation is bynum needed at least 20 min to get double digit shot attempts.  Found only 2 games in his piston career where that wasn’t the case.  Anyway my thinking was Bynum could do what Gordon did for less money.

    Looking at the numbers though the inconsistency Pat and Sean have talked about comes through.

    09-10 49 games 20 or more minutes 11ppg
    10-11 22 games 13.5 ppg
    11-12 10 games 10.3 ppg
    12-13 5 games 14.6 ppg

    I don’t know what we have in Bynum or what he would need to get this happening consistently, maybe someone else knows.           

  • Dec 29, 201212:40 am
    by Sidewalkvendor

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    Knight is better when he is aggressive.he played that way in kentucky.all those clutch shots in the final four.he just needs to play that way again and shoot more within the flow of the offense.

  • Dec 29, 201212:58 am
    by Delray313

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    To all you daye and Cv haters all i can say is they might not be superstars but they are good role players that space the floor. I killed will bynum’s performance against Atl because his stat line didnt look like this  28 MIN | 10-16 FG | 2-3 FT | 2 REB | 10 AST | 25 PTS | +17 this is what i like too see a great game for a pg. Whats up with our starters damn dudes the bench has been killing people.

  • Dec 29, 20121:00 am
    by jkg1610

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    If will bynum starts imma kil sombody! Bknight is better in every way he just dosent have cofidence with our starting five like u guys mentioned! Will bynum pushes the ball with the second unit and they just let him but bkight get slowed down by tayshaunor greg like u mentioned! I think if we had a system like cleavland with kyrie he would be wayyyy better frank is just a dumbass ! We need a better system we cant keep calling plays for our whole starting five

  • Dec 29, 20121:06 am
    by Mrshourite

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    I know you guys are watching the same games I am. Maybe it would help if Knight played alongside more shooters that could space the floor; but that still doesn’t solve the issue of all the unforced turnovers. He struggles pushing the break continuously and can’t even make simple entry passes to the big men down low. That’s fundamental basketball gentleman. Maybe he can learn the nuances of running an offense but I just don’t see him as our PG of the future, not if we’re gonna try to be successful and try to build a contender. 

    • Dec 29, 20121:21 am
      by Jon

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      i agree. the turnovers by him are often bad and unforced but all i’m saying is that he deserves a chance with a spaced floor. every time he goes down the floor everyone in the league knows he is just gonna hand it to monroe in the post and then go run around some screens. everyone on the defense is crowding the middle of the floor creating very few lanes to drive and make passes from.  I can’t imagine that is the offense we plan on running once we have all the pieces we’re looking for so we need to at least know if he is capable of running a normal nba offense before the end of the season so we can know what to look for in free agency/draft this summer.

    • Dec 29, 20129:29 pm
      by James Jones

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      This post is kind of funny because I was talking to a friend today about how the only one on the first unit that seems to be able to knock down a 15+ ft jumper with any constancy is Max.

  • Dec 29, 20121:11 am
    by Mrshourite

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    For the record I agree that Knight is better in attack mode when he is looking to score. Those turnovers are devastating though. For the record Greg isn’t off the hook either. I don’t think either one of them is a finished product. Don’t be surprised before 2013 is over with that Drummond is recognized by everyone as our BEST player. 

  • Dec 29, 20121:17 am
    by Samuel Small

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    Let me ask the Knight fans a question. in 32 games, Knight averages 14+ and 4.9 Assist. in 32 Games, he has two double doubles, his best nights being a 10pt/12ast game and a 13pt/10 Ast game. in two games Bynum is 31pts/4 ast and 25pts/10ast. Prior to these last two games, when we have a big lead and the opposition is coming back, we fold. Or, when we are getting our fanny kicked we fold. Enter Will Bynum and The Unit, we come back from 19 and 15 point downs. to either come close to a win or win. No fold. My question is this; Would it be beneficial to the Pistons to at one point use a three guard lineup in Bynum, Knight and Stucky? Bynum plays the point, Knight the two and Stucky the three? Just like Thomas, Dumars and Johnson did it back in the day. Bynum pentrates and he can kick the ball out to stucky or knight. If you let Monroe and Drummond play the Bigs, Bynum and Stucky Penetrating or Stucky and Knight shooting the J, opens up The Middle for Them. A bench with either point, Either big, with Charlie, Daye and Singler may be good.

    • Dec 29, 201212:50 pm
      by Crispus

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      Stuckey can’t shoot the 3 ball though. Certainly not better than Daye or Charlie. The only reason to do that lineup would be to make Knight and Bynum feel good, but with the stretch 4′s CV and Daye playing well there’s no god reason to play so small.

    • Dec 29, 20123:15 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Listen, and I’ve said this soo many times … Knight has always been a scorer…he won high school player of the year award for this scoring…he led Kentucky to the final four on the back of his scoring…if we drafted him to be anything other than a scoring PG…then we are fools…. He clearly can score and do the same thing bynum can… The difference is he play in more slow down offense …

  • Dec 29, 20121:36 am
    by gmehl

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    The cherry on top of this victory is LeBron’s run of wins against us has come to an end. Yes they were missing Wade but we were missing Stuckey (poor man’s Wade). I am happy for guys like CV, Daye and Bynum that they have managed to provide a spark. Hopefully they can continue there run of good games so we can facilitate them with new homes right before the trade deadline. CV to the Heat, Bynum to the Lakers and Daye to the Spurs.

  • Dec 29, 20121:37 am
    by Mel

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    Taye ,Max and Monroe slows the game up for our point guards. Notice once Stuckey went to the bench he started playing point guard better with the bench players than the with starters. Knight is going through the same thing. When Knight plays with the bench he performs better. Even Singler plays better with the bench players. Someone said we need a PF that can spread the floor. I agree believe it or not I feel a Carlos Boozer would fit well as a starter on our team playing next to Drummond. Moose needs to step up and develop his game and put on some muscle. The Bench is killing it and I never though Will B would play like this, good for him. I would keep him if he’s going to make this a habit. I would pay him the same salary he got a few years ago. Get rid of Max, Taye, and Maggette by trade deadline and get a veteran point guard. Billips, Barea,Calderon to create competition for Knight and school him.

    • Dec 29, 201210:47 am
      by Bill D

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      Yes!  Let’s get Billups back and he can serve as PG/SG and trade Bynum out.  It would mentor AND push Knight.  I also think that if we got rid of Daye/CV/Maggette/Max AND got Cousins we could sign Ben Wallace on the cheap and he could mentor Drummond/Monroe and babysit Cousins.  Billups and BWallace would know that they would be further down the chain, but that they could be called upon when we are in foul trouble and to mentor.  It would lead BWallace into a great coaching gig at some point…maybe Billups too.

      • Dec 29, 201210:59 am
        by rick

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        Put the dope down man. You are seriously pipe dreaming.

    • Dec 29, 201212:54 pm
      by Crispus

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      Boozer is the Cadillac of slow big men who commit turnovers. He’d just slow down the offense too, but he’d yell “AY” when someone knocks the ball out of his hands.

  • Dec 29, 20121:44 am
    by frankie d

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    was listening to the miami heat feed and the announcers were raving about what a great high school player knight was in florida.
    and i realized that he probably hasn’t progressed very much from his days as a dominant, high-scoring guard back in the day.
    he certainly plays like that kind of player.
    back then, he was probably faster, quicker, and as a guard, bigger than everyone else, so he  basically just went out and did whatever the heck he wanted to do, when he wanted to do it.
    going to kentucky and john calipari was probably the worst thing in the world for him, cause calipari basically let him play the same way, without demanding much else.
    and in two years here in detroit, he still plays like a high school superstar who doesn’t have the foggiest notion about how to play basketball with 4 other players.
    his fast break follies are the best illustration.
    he must really truly believe that all he needs to do is dribble as fast as he can to the basket and elevate and everything will be ok.
    tonight, it was priceless to watch drummond run a break, space the floor, and wait for the trailing player to get into position, and then pass the ball to that player who got an open lay up. 
    drummond… a center…showing how to run a fast break, when the team’s starting point guard has yet to show that he understands the basic fundamentals of how to set up and run a fast break.
    maybe knight is as smart as everyone says he is.
    imho, drummond has shown over and over again that he is a smart player with a huge BB IQ.  i just wish folks would finally understand that fact.
    i sure am hoping that knight is just as smart and if he is, maybe he’ll figure it out and a little light will come on in his head one game.
    so far, this fan aint seeing it.  
    and it becomes that much more obvious when someone like bynum assumes his role on the team and shows how it is supposed to be done. 

    • Dec 29, 20128:54 am
      by Haan

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      Not too optimistic about Knight as PG.  It was mentioned that we have no option to him, but we do.  We could play Stuckey, now a superior PG to Knight, with the first unit and use Knight as 6th man.  Reluctant to do so because Stuckey seems to have found his niche.  But it would make that first unit, which is flagging, run better.  Also, Knight could do his thing and make a contribution.  At the same time, he could try to develop into a distributing guard with less pressure on him.  If he succeeds he can move back to the first unit down the line (maybe after a Stuckey trade).  If he doesn’t become a more traditional PG, he finds a role as valuable 6th man, a la Jason Terry.

  • Dec 29, 20122:12 am
    by Delray313

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    Knight has shown he is a quality pg but the starting five sucks not a great fit together too slow for knight pace of game. he needs drummond and a shooter like cv or daye out there with him. max and monroe is not ideal nor is singler and tay, thats why knight struggles look at that lineup man.

  • Dec 29, 20122:24 am
    by piston moribund

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    Trade everyone while you still can.  Its called maximizing your value and Im pretty sure the value is maxed out.  I love watching the bench outplay the starters which goes to show how bad the starts are.  Dre is the only player on this team that makes everyone else better.

  • Dec 29, 20123:43 am
    by Vince

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    At this point I’m happy with gutting the roster at the end of the season, everyone but Drummond and English are expendable in my eyes. Dre for obvious reasons and English because I think he has incredible upside and is an unknown talent.

    If Monroe doesn’t get his game together trade him for a better big at the deadline, I’d rather have Ryan Anderson or Marcin Gortat over DeMarcus Cousins but thats just my opinion. I’m sure Phoenix of New Orleans would agree to a trade regarding them.

    I was never happy with drafting Knight, and I’m still not convinced of his usefulness to this team, his play is as inconsistent as Stuckey’s.

    Rest of the roster: Pretty self explanatory. Detroit needs to retool. 

    • Dec 29, 201211:01 am
      by rick

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      English??? What exactly has he done to earn this promotion? Too many people talking out teh side of their face. RU serious about what you wrote? Gotta be a joke,right?

      • Dec 29, 20128:38 pm
        by Vince

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        I liked Macklin too, I think he got cheated and was put in a situation where he could only fail. If Dumars is good at anything it’s drafting good players in the second round – moof who which never get a proper chance to prove themselves and are let go with still many unanswered questions regarding their potential. Now, having said that, if English goes on to play consistent minutes for the rest of the season and is disappointing then fine, cut him, I won’t object.  What grinds my gears is when players with potential are let go before proving themselves. I though T. White could offer something, I thought Macklin could outplay Maxiell, and I’m sure as hell English could be a solid role player. So, no it’s not a joke. 

  • Dec 29, 20124:57 am
    by jkg1610

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    Let bynum start and i promise he will get exposed and let knight be the second unit pg you all will see the problem! Knight has superstar potieitial!!!!!! Go drummond!!,/pistons!!

    • Dec 29, 201211:11 am
      by rick

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      Doesnt matter if he gets exposed because teh NBA is an has always been about matchup problems. I thought it was up to a coach to adjust his team to whatevr the other threw at them. Anways Bynum is a point guard with a shooting guard mentatlity. Funny he can take the same amount of shots Knight and sometimes more often than not,cause lets be real how much has he played since Frank has been head coach? and peope act like he is the second coming of AI. I just wish people would aalyze the Pistons players w/o rose colored glasses onKnight is and never will be a point guard. When Bynum plays like he does it reminds me all too often of what we hadn Lindsey Hunter,Mike James, Chauncey Billups, and even Chucky Atkins. Knight has not shown any flashes that he will be close to any of those players. I say trahim for a big if you can and get a point guard. 

      For the record Bynum might get exposed but no more than Knight already has. Detroit would be a lot more efficent with a floor general who can get every involved then worry about getting his. My main issue is how most people complain about everyones flaws on the team as if they dont see how our team is ran. The funniest thing is the notion players are out there free lancing and doing whatever they want. Ex. Tay clogs the lane or he slows the game down. Ok but what about when he makes “heady” plays? Like showing high BB.iq. when the ball gets trapped in the backcourt? Nobody remembers those plays only when a person messes up as if they are great at everything they do in their with no mistakes.

    • Dec 29, 201212:20 pm
      by duke

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      if you get a chance go the next Piston’s practice. That will tell you what you need to kwow on who gets exposed. 

  • Dec 29, 20127:49 am
    by duke

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    I’ve been a fan since “Zeeke” and also a fan of Will the Thrill since his days in high school. I watched Isaiah in his Chicago prep days as well, like it or not they have the same game; they were presented different opportunities hence different outcomes. Just want to make that point on Will B, because his skill set wouldn’t be an issue if giving more minutes two years ago. Now as a true fan and not some fair weather critical we need to realize what our market is and has always been. We only get better through the draft because we are a small market team and not many above average players want to come here. If they do and just think about the last few years, the do not stay. That why it’s so important to have quality coaching and a vision that reflects the makeup of the team. We have a team that can compete; we just need to give it time, which I know no one wants’ to hear.

  • Dec 29, 201210:18 am
    by TRJ

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    I remember when Bynum first started for the team. He kept making these crazy drives into a forest of trees. I would shout, “No! No no no! What are you doing?!” And then one of those high-arcing teardrops would go through the net, or maybe he’d bank it off the glass. Rinse and repeat.

    Was anyone ever looking for “good decisions” from Bynum’s game? He’s there to make our hearts contract with terror, only to release once more in bewildered joy. This is Bynum’s game and has been for as long as he’s been a Piston.

    Thing is, he’s one of those players (like Stuckey) for whom his quickness is key. If he’s slowed down by injury or lethargy those insane drives into the forest don’t work and he becomes pretty useless.

    Man he’s looked good lately. 

  • Dec 29, 201210:31 am
    by D. Stewart

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    “Maddeningly stupid decisions” … I believe the same (or worse) can be said for Brandon Knight. He’s obsessed with splitting double-teams with his dribbling.  And if there’s no double team directly in front of him, he’ll dribble around until he finds one. The problem is … every defender in the league knows this about him now and that’s why the excessive turnovers happen. Defenders simply wait until he tries to dribble through the smallest area imaginable and then they swipe the ball. Heaven forbid that he should ever try to out smart two defenders instead of dribbling through them.  It’s become his M.O. and by god he’s going to find a way to do it no matter what. It’s absolutely ”maddening” and it’s “stupid” and it’s the number one reason he’s light-years away from becoming a decent point-guard.  He constantly tries to “thread-the-needle” with his dribble-penetration (and with his passing).  Everything is forced.  Nothing is easy and natural.  And the result is turnover-city.  The most difficult path to the rim?  That’s the one Brandon Knight takes every time he touches the ball.

    • Dec 29, 201211:15 am
      by inigo montoya

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      I noticed the same thing.

      However part of the problem is Frank’s pick and roll play that starts out on one side of the court, usually the left side.  The picker rolls and it seems like all teams double team and trap that play on Knight now.  Good teams rotate correctly and the only person open for the Pistons is on the other side of the court waiting on the 3 point shot on the baseline.  Very difficult pass to make out of a double team and even if the pass is made properly, just the length of the pass allows teams to rotate back.

      I don’t see the advantage of starting the pick and roll on the side, seems to me far better to start the pick and roll more in the center of the court to leave more passing options and shorter passes.  Of course teams do double team Knight on that play too and he does try to split that double team way too much in that case too resulting in too many turnovers.  

      I believe Knight and the Pistons will learn though
       

    • Dec 29, 201211:57 am
      by Mrshourite

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      My point exactly!

  • Dec 29, 201210:45 am
    by Corey

    Reply

    For the first time I could imagine trading Monroe. Don’t want to, though, unless they get something great back. All he needs is a 15′ jump shot and he’ll be really good with Drummond. 

  • Dec 29, 201211:07 am
    by kamal

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    I can’t believe there are Bynum fans on this board.  Bynum is a bum who is having a good week right now.  

    Flip Murray scored 20 or more points in 10 of his first 11 games , including a career-high 31 points against Wade and the Heat when subbed for an injured Ray Allen back when they played for Seattle.  Flip Murray was out of the league before he turned 30.  

    Ron Mercer once went on an 28 game scoring tear in which he put up 20, 30, 16, 34, 16, 18, 26, 27, 22, 20, 15, 25, 29, 33, 19, 18, 16, 18, 27, 21, 19, 27, 33, 22, 39, 23, 22, & 30 when he played for the Bulls. they lost all but 5 of those games but still.  Mercer was out of the league before he was 30.

    I could do the same thing for Ricky Davis who was out of the league before he was 30.  Smush Parker had some big games for the Lakers.  Same fate.  Bynum reminds me of all of those guys.  He calls his number far too many times and holds the ball looking for the dynamite assist instead of just passing to the open man.  The Heat sent two people to get the ball out of his hands and he dribbled away from the double instead of passing to the open man, just so he could keep the ball and shoot at the end of the shot clock.  It went in but that was a terrible basketball play.

    I’ve seen enough of Bynum to know that the last 2 games are fool’s gold.  Remember when he broke Isiah’s single game assist record?  Has he been an assist machine since then?  Nope, he went right back to his ball hogging ways. 

    • Dec 29, 201211:23 am
      by rick

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      Whats your point? Bynum is a backup point guard and your assessmet is that of a person who feels like he has been crowned. Noone crowned him and for the record maybe its more of a achievement to some becauze the dude is like 6’0 feet 180pds. Can a man have his time to shine? Flip was 6’4 and not a point neither was Ron Mercer nor Ricky Davis and Smush Parker was a point but no basketball iq.

      You know why your argument is garbage?

      Becuz Bynum played in one of the best Greek Leagues in Europe and gets contacted just about every year to play over there and has a  following. So you should probably do you homework before you knock someone cause you dont like them. I have no problem with you having an opinion that but your reason is flawed. Dude has always been a bench guy and all the dudes you named have/had been starters at some point in their career. Really dont know how Wil Bynum and Mercer or Davis get in the same sentence but if you say so.

      No reason to hate on a back up player. The whole article to me is stupid buthey thats my opinion. I mean when someone writes abouta b/u p[oint guard and delivers us his resume as if we ddont see teh same things they do I laugh. Bynum is and always has been a backup. So you get what you get out of b/u players in every sport so for a person to act like they know it all or to say “well he does this wrong and that wrong” I just scratch my head and say “Damn thats why he’s a backup” Unduhhh    

      • Dec 29, 201211:52 am
        by kamal

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        What was your point in mentioning that Euro league stuff?  I don’t care.  So some Greek league wants him to play.  Big deal.  I don’t need to do any homework to find out that some second rate league (Compared to the NBA) wants a second rate player.

        My whole point was that people are falling in love with Bynum based on these last two games but it’s fool’s gold.  Some people are using Bynum’s performance to bash Knight.  I know he’s a back-up.  But based on these last two games his time will probably increase.  I think that’s a mistake.  Bynum is like Murray, Parker, Mercer, and Davis because he thinks that his scoring/ball dominating is what the team needs to succeed.  Like you’ve written, the team needs somebody to get everybody involved.  Bynum is, nor has he ever been that guy.  He’s not a 2 guard in a point guard’s body.  He’s a me first point guard.  Giving him 20 plus minutes a game and the green light will hurt the team more than it helps.  But hey, his Greek fans will love it, right?

        I get it.  You like Bynum.  You’ve defended him in two posts today which I think is a record.  You must be a personal friend of is.  Tell him I said, “Good game” and that he needs to hit Daye in the corner more.

        • Dec 29, 201212:17 pm
          by duke

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          Dang, what dd Bynum do to you? Anyway let’s forget about the last two games. I am talking as a 20 years+ Pistons fan, over the past 4-5 years the only thing I had to look foward to was Bynum. We get what we expect and that’s heart and hard play every time. No he’s no starter or all-star, he’s just gonna give you everything he has. 

          • Dec 29, 201212:32 pm
            by kamal

            IMO, Bynum is part of what’s been wrong with the pistons the last 4-5 years; selfish basketball.  Part of why Knight is struggling is because he’s trying to learn how to play the point the right way.  Most people just want him to shoot more.  That’s Stuckey’s (penetrating then shooting) strength.  That’s Bynum’s strength.  That was Iverson’s strength.

            We haven’t had a point guard who got everybody involved since Chauncey.  You would think with all those DNPs he’s received over his career with the Pistons, that he would’ve figured out what the coaches want from him.  Nope.  he’s still dribbling out the shot clock while his teammates stand around and then run back on defense.  I know he’s not the problem.  But he’s part of the problem.  And when he has a good game playing his style, I know that his confidence will only grow and he’ll shoot more and pass less.  History shows that I’m right.

            Annnnddd, Bynum stole my prom date. 

          • Dec 29, 20121:04 pm
            by Crispus

            For what it’s worth Bynum does more to get Drummond involved on offense than any other player on the team.

        • Dec 29, 20122:17 pm
          by rick

          Reply

          Hes a backup. So arguing about whether he starts or not is dumb, period. Yeah he has his moments but who i  teh NBA doesnt? I get  it you dont like him but a ball hog does not dole out 10 assists with his eyes closed. Just be happy for the man and hope the caoch can push teh right buttons. Your analogies or players you compared him to offer no vairaince to what you are talking about. But hey you are probably one of those guys who want Jennings or Ellis on the team. 

          PS. Dont have to be a friend to see game recognize game. Did not have to bash Knight to make my point. His game just like Bynums speaks for itself.   

          • Dec 29, 20122:42 pm
            by kamal

            Whoa!  A ball hog doesn’t dish out 10 assists?  Seriously?  Ricky Davis did; a few times.  Mercer did.

            But I think we have different definitions of a ball hog.  Iverson was a ball hog to me and dished out plenty of assists.  

            And yes, I’d rather have Ellis as our starting 2 than Singler or Stuckey.

            Call me crazy. 

          • Dec 29, 20129:08 pm
            by James Jones

            I would take Ellis over anyone we have at the 2 any day. 
             
            SGs are supposed to be volume shooters, the key word there is SHOOTER, not slasher, not play maker, SHOOTER.  Heck maybe that’s way it’s called shooting guard?

    • Dec 29, 20129:13 pm
      by James Jones

      Reply

      This might be a little over the top, but homers are what they are.
       
      They think Will pulling up with a hand in his face and 22 secs on the shot clock is never ever going to hurt the team, because, get this, it worked for two games.
       
      The truth is Will’s style might put a couple of extra wins on the board but it’s not going to make us a playoff team and it’s going to hurt and hurt bad when Will is cold.
       
      All that being said, you ride this hot steak until it ends and pray it doesn’t end for a while.

  • Dec 29, 201211:39 am
    by Alan

    Reply

    Andre Drummond put a body in LeBron like nobody I’ve seen since Shaq. Knocked James on is arse. 

  • Dec 29, 20121:50 pm
    by AtotheK

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    Monroe, Max, Daye for Cousins & Thorton. Works on the trade machine and sounds good to me. We can use Tay at the deadline to get an extra big, maybe Jordan Hill.

  • Dec 29, 20122:55 pm
    by dre drum

    Reply

    Just asking: when was the last time the Pistons wore red uniforms? I think they’re beautiful.

  • Dec 29, 20123:49 pm
    by Travis

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    I like how everyone was so glad to have Monroe over crazy cousins and thinking knight was finally making it and then after a couple bad games from them against top teams in the east we are ready to trade them

  • Dec 29, 20124:00 pm
    by Sidewalkvendor

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    Espn article on small ball suggested starting knight stuckey prince singler and moose.

  • Dec 29, 20124:27 pm
    by Corey

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    CV is running much better than I have ever seen. His stride is smoother and stronger, and he’s much faster. Two years ago he struggled just to get into a run. I was shocked how fast he was on some of the breaks last night. maybe he really was hurt all last year, and his recent play isn’t a fluke. 

  • Dec 29, 20126:04 pm
    by Frankie d

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    Getting cousins would be great.  But not if the cost is Monroe.  Or Drummond.
    why would you trade a guy like Monroe, who is either at the same level or better than cousins, but without the baggage?
    while I think Detroit got a better, more athletic version of cousins in Drummond, you can never have too much talent, so if cousins could be had for a reasonable price – knight?  Tay plus a prospect like daye or JJ in an expanded trade? – I would pull the trigger in a minute.
    but no way no how do I give up solid, productive big guys like Drummond or Monroe for a guy who might blow up on me.
    makesno sense.  Monroe is going through a rough stretch but he will be fine, soon. 

    • Dec 29, 20128:15 pm
      by Mark

      Reply

      For me its the defensive upside of a Drummond/Cousins frontcourt. Whereas with Monroe, I think it would be still one of the best, if not the best overall frontcourt in the league in a few year, we’ll likely never have that dominant defensive frontcourt with Monroe, like we had with Ben/Sheed. Defense win championships.

      Cousins gives you all the scoring and rebounding Monroe does, plus he can be a stout defender. I wouldn’t trade Monroe for any other young big man, but if Cousins were an option I think I’d do it. Thats who I wanted #1 in the draft that year. Monroe has exceeded my expectations, but I’m still very much interested in Cousins. 

  • Dec 29, 20127:13 pm
    by Herman Neutic

    Reply

    Various posters mentioning Chauncey has reminded of how he had to kick around the league for quite awhile before he figured it all out. And didn’t he get some critical coaching from Larry Brown along the way, too? Why should BK be better at this stage of his career than Chauncey was at his?

    I’m a little surprised at all the trade talk. Is it too hard to conceive of the possibility that the team as presently constructed could be on the verge of something special? Maybe with one more piece in this years draft? I, for one, would like to give Coach Frank a little more time to do his thing and see how the year plays out before dumping players. Nothing is guaranteed, but it has been fun watching the Pistons develop, and the–at least temporary–rejuvenation of players everyone had given up on, has it not?

  • Dec 29, 20128:34 pm
    by Fennis

    Reply

    Completely agree with Kamal and Herman. This is why GMs manage teams rather than fans. As fans we’re emotional and reactionary and not accountable to stupid assessments. (The opposition to drafting Drummond is a perfect example). 

    Knight is young and raw and talented and mistake-prone and driven. He reminds me of a young Chauncey (i.e., Chauncey pre-Pistons). Everyone thought Chauncey was a two guard and could never manage a team. This takes time. I think Gore is patient and I think Dumars is patient. B Knight will get a lot better. He won’t be a 10-assist guy. His passing ceiling is identical to Chauncey’s. In his prime he’ll have about four years where he averages between 6 and 8 assists on a stacked team. That’s more than enough to be a championship-level point guard. Keep in mind, these 10-assists/game dominate-the-ball point guard RARELY win championships. Rondo won a couple, but if you remember he did not dominate the ball then like he does now. Nash hasn’t won one, and Kidd won when he was averaging fewer assists than in his prime. The smart money says that a more even distribution of the ball, of playmaking, of assists generating is the stuff of champions. See Miami Heat, San Antonio Spurs, L.A. Lakers. 

    • Dec 29, 20129:04 pm
      by James Jones

      Reply

      Agreed.  Knight has a lot of the tools, he just needs to take the game on play at a time.  He needs to learn when it’s right to pass and right to shoot, and most of all learn to slow down a little and make a good pass instead of running out of control and then trying to toss it out when he gets in trouble.  These issues are not abnormal for young PGs.
       
      I don’t know that Knight will ever figure those things out but it’s way way to early to give up on him.  He’s played 99 games and didn’t start in an ideal rookie env with the crazy shortened season from last year.
       
      I’m fine if starting Bynum wins more games (though I’m not sure it matters), I just wouldn’t dump Brandon just yet unless you get something better in return at the PG spot.

    • Dec 30, 201212:34 pm
      by Vic

      Reply

      San Antonio and LA had Phil Jackson and Popovich, genius level coaches. Miami had Lebron James, essentially a pass first player.

      I don’t think Knight will not be successful, but I do not think he will be successful without an elite coach. Even as great as Billlups was he couldnt get past the East again without Larry Brown, another genius level coach.

    • Dec 30, 201212:40 pm
      by Vic

      Reply

      You have to have one or the other running the offense – either a genius coach or a pass first pg. Dumars wants neither it seems, and that’s disappointing because we have the first ingredients to a championship team already – a dominant defensive center in Andre Drummind. I was one of the fans who wanted Drummind while everybody was saying he was a bust. The statheads hated me, now they are all about him

  • Dec 29, 20128:54 pm
    by James Jones

    Reply

    I’m not a fan of Will’s game but it’s working and I hope Frank rides it until it doesn’t work anymore.

  • Dec 30, 20122:02 am
    by Worm

    Reply

    Maybe Will Bynum should be the coach. He said today that he’d like to see Stuckey running point with Knight at off guard. That’d free Knight up to be the scorer that he should be and send Singler to the bench, where he should be. Also call me crazy but with that lineup and how CV has been playing, I’d prefer to see him starting over Maxiell, though not over Drummond obviously.

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