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Will Bynum, other Pistons reserves are going to inject some heart into this team if it takes all night

Will Bynum crouched down, having just missed what could have been the game-winning layup late in the first overtime. The point guard had put the Pistons on his back during a 22-point fourth-quarter comeback, in which he fittingly scored or assisted on 22 Detroit points. But that wasn’t enough for Bynum, who was demonstratively dejected after his miss. Then, he did something that, by now, everyone should know he’d do.

He bounced back up.

Bynum – and Rodney Stuckey and Andre Drummond and Austin Daye and Charlie Villanueva – kept coming and coming at the Hawks before finally succumbing in the second overtime. Despite their 126-119 loss, this was one of the most enjoyable Pistons games of the season.

Bynum, Drummond, Daye and Villanueva played the entire fourth quarter and both overtimes together. Stuckey would have been out there the entire time if not for twisting his ankle with one second left in regulation, but he somehow returned a couple minutes after what appeared to be a nasty injury and played the rest of the way.

Of course there were mistakes all over the court. Those five players have very well-known deficiencies, and many showed. But none of that mattered, because all five of those players showed so much heart. Others (though not many) have played better, but I haven’t been more pleased with any Pistons than I was with those five tonight.

Bynum, Stuckey, Drummond, Daye and Villanueva each set their season high in minutes, and playing such a long stretch will likely prove more costly to their bodies than had that playing time been more evenly distributed throughout the game. The Pistons host the Heat in two days, and the starters owe it to those reserves to play hard for long stretches.

Bynum, Stuckey, Drummond, Daye and Villanueva didn’t earn a win, but they earned that much.

Detroit Pistons 119 Final
Recap | Box Score
126 Atlanta Hawks
Jason Maxiell, PF 22 MIN | 0-3 FG | 1-2 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 1 PTS | -16

In the 18:25 Maxiell and Josh Smith both played power forward tonight, Smith scored 23 points on 10-of-14 shooting.

Tayshaun Prince, SF 25 MIN | 6-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 7 REB | 0 AST | 14 PTS | -21

Prince’s sprained ankle didn’t really seem to bother him, and he played a solid game. He missed both his shots when he started overtime with Stuckey out injured, but considering Prince sat so long and Frank probably didn’t intend to bring him back, it’s tough to blame Prince for being a little tight in that situation.

Kyle Singler, SF 14 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | -11

The Singler-as-a-shooting guard experiment may have run its course. When the the early returns proved impressive, I wondered how Singler was doing so well at a position that seemed to be a less-than-ideal fit. Perhaps, he benefited from a small sample. In his last 12 games, Singler is shooting 33 percent from the field and 22 percent on 3-pointers. Plus, his foot-speed continues to be an issue on the perimeter defensively.

Greg Monroe, C 26 MIN | 4-11 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 10 PTS | -21

Coolest Monroe moment (and second-coolest Daye moment) of the night: After Daye made the 3-pointer that put the Pistons up one with three seconds left in regulation, Monroe literally floored Daye with a chest bump. I wish he would’ve hit Smith that hard at some point. Monroe wasn’t responsible for Smith shaking his man so often, but Monroe’s help-side rotations lacked aggressiveness.

Brandon Knight, PG 23 MIN | 3-8 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 9 PTS | -13

Knight shot poorly and didn’t take care of the ball (four turnovers). He looked incapable of handling point-guard duties, and that’s why, for most of the game, he didn’t.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 32 MIN | 5-12 FG | 0-2 FT | 7 REB | 1 AST | 14 PTS | +16

Villanueva’s 3-point shooting really gave the Pistons a lift, as did his physical defense. He was wasn’t afraid to put a body on Smith and Al Horford, and although that resulted in some fouls, it was sure better than how the Pistons defended those two earlier in the game.

Austin Daye, PF 32 MIN | 3-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 11 REB | 1 AST | 8 PTS | +17

Late in the fourth quarter, I tweeted that Daye had mostly just been along for the ride of the comeback fueled by his floormates. A few second later, he made what was nearly the game-winning 3-pointer. Daye’s defense – especially against Smith at small forward – was unimpressive in regulation, but after his big shot, he really got into it.

Andre Drummond, C 36 MIN | 7-9 FG | 2-4 FT | 12 REB | 0 AST | 16 PTS | +7

At times, Lawrence Frank was clearly dismayed with Drummond’s defensive coverage, but the coach stuck with Drummond down the stretch, anyway. More than Frank playing the other four reserves so long, this was particularly meaningful. Drummond was far from perfect defensively, but the good outweighed the bad. Offensively, his athleticism presents opportunities for high-percentage shots that aren’t available to other players. His ability to catch passes cleanly and elevate quickly for dunks especially stood out tonight.

Will Bynum, PG 36 MIN | 13-26 FG | 1-2 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 31 PTS | +6

3-pointers made in 277 minutes entering tonight: 3.

3-pointers made in 36 minutes tonight: 4.

I don’t know quite what to make of Bynum’s game tonight. It was a bit fluky, but man, was it great. Not only did he shoot well from outside, his burst to the basket created plenty of layups (including a couple good looks he missed). In the fourth quarter, he didn’t hesitated to drive and kick. Late in the game, he probably could have looked for his teammates a bit more, but he was still creating good looks for himself. Bynum plays how he plays, and once he carried the Pistons into overtime, they were justified in riding out the ups and downs for the rest of the night.

Rodney Stuckey, PG 44 MIN | 7-19 FG | 1-1 FT | 5 REB | 11 AST | 16 PTS | +1

Stuckey is tough as nails. Saturday, he played through plenty of contact a day after getting his teeth knocked in. Tonight, he returned from a serious-looking ankle injury to close the game. And once again, he proved himself to be the Pistons’ best distributor.

Lawrence Frank, HEAD COACH 

Frank rightly stuck with the reserves who brought the Pistons back into the game. That’s not always the right move, but tonight it was. Frank has often said playing time is based on merit, and tonight he backed that statement in full.

86 Comments

  • Dec 26, 201210:56 pm
    by Big Rick

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    Heartbreaking loss! But proud of the effort the bench showed. 

  • Dec 26, 201210:59 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    STARTS SLOW CLAP” CLAP,CLAP,CLAP”

    • Dec 27, 20127:14 am
      by Steve K

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      Funniest post ever.

      • Dec 27, 201211:24 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        LOL…no one else joined in tho

  • Dec 26, 201211:04 pm
    by gmehl

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    I was thinking of changing my username to START DRUMMOND NOW but i think by now we all feel that should happen already so i didn’t. Maybe if we had a difference maker like him to anchor the middle from the start of the game then we wouldn’t have to come back from 20 points down.

  • Dec 26, 201211:11 pm
    by baines

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    As Greg Kelser said during the telecast, “we need to win this game” and “the Brooklyn double OT was a moral victory but we need a real victory tonight”.  I couldn’t have agreed more with Mr. Kelser!  Did anyone else besides LF not think the bench guys might run out of gas in the 2nd OT!!  I know they brought us back in the game, but, after the 4th quarter plus OT I kept thinking he would begin to rotate some starters, well at least Monroe for Charlie!  Unfortunately, the way Knight was playing he certainly didn’t deserve any more time but perhaps he could have helped with energy on defense anyway!  Will Bynum with 26 FG attempts in 36 minutes!!  Daye who hit potential game winner at end of regulation just 6 FG attempts!!  Just frustrated again and do not see us getting any better!

    • Dec 26, 201211:24 pm
      by Mrshourite

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      Yeah, I noticed a few times late in the game Bynum was in attack mode and had the blinders on overlooking Charlie V. and Daye when they had wide open 3-point looks. I guess he had the green light, but little plays like that can ultimately affect the game. Like coach Frank said though, without Bynum we wouldn’t have been in a position to win. Drummond had a nice game too, and it was nice to see Frank let him play through his mistakes without getting yanked. 

    • Dec 26, 201211:35 pm
      by MNM

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      Monroe and Knight were awful in the minutes they both played tonight, therfor they got benched. And as long as CV, Daye, possibly Bynum play themselves into any type of trade value by the deadline, Im all for it.

  • Dec 26, 201211:14 pm
    by money

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    This is a great game the for the pistons. will bynum great game! maxs should be traded he played no defense in the first half josh smith was destroying him.

  • Dec 26, 201211:21 pm
    by kamal

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    I hated the way Bynum played tonight.  He basically played 1 on 5 at the end.  It was an Iverson like game.  Sure, he scores and keeps you in the game but when it’s time to win, the entire defense knows he’s not going to pass and defend him accordingly.  How many times was Daye screaming for the ball because he was wide open.  

    Bynum helped lead the come back but that Flip Murray/Ricky Davis type of play rarely leads to victory.  I really don’t like when Bynum is on the court.  He either shoots or looks to get highlight type of assist.  As Larry Brown used to say, he doesn’t play the right way. 

    • Dec 26, 201211:27 pm
      by Delray313

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      Yes sir Bynum is no Ai but he think he is and he lost ths game. Bynum does not need to score because he forgets how to pass. If you go be Ai than hit 30 everynight  and you will never be a winner or a champion.

      • Dec 27, 20121:29 am
        by Samuel Small

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        Delray, did you and kamal see the same game? Because if you did, then u know that he was hot. He lost that game on a missed layup…but if he makes it, you guys would be happy as hell. How many times do we scream Charlie and Daye do nothing but shoot threes? To me in my opinion, he played like a young Isiah Thomas, Daring, fearless and dashing, take no prisoner mode and boy that’s what we needed for so long. He drove to the basket, which is what he is suppose to do, he dished to the wings but he showed me something that Brandon Knight does not yet have…heart and That kill em all Mindset. Isiah had it, Grant Hill had it, Chauncey and the crew had it, we don’t have it here. He put this team on his back and he tried to carry them. Remember, its because of him trying to “Play like AI”, that this conversation is about a close loss, then yet another sad blowout.

        • Dec 27, 20122:07 am
          by Delray313

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          Dude did you just compare Zeke to will bynum hahaha man please. Too up and down he can play but can he play like that every night i dont think so. I dont like pg that play like that because you cant win like that.

        • Dec 27, 20126:16 am
          by Derek

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          Bynum was a monster and played with the heart of a true competitor.  I’m glad he put it all on the line and stayed in attack mode.  That being said, I’ll have to disagree with you when you say Brandon Knight does not have heart.  BK7 got his nose broken last year, got fitted for a mask, and played the very next game = heart.  BK7 has had leg issues for the past several weeks, yet he gets treatment, throws a compression stocken on, and comes out to play in pain = heart. 

          And unlike Deron Williams, he hasn’t come out with a ton of excuses about his aches and pains or the system the coach runs.  He’s just learning and growing throw the upside and down development of a young pg.

          BK7 had a bad game.  He hasn’t played up to his potential.  Granted.  But that young fella has heart.

  • Dec 26, 201211:24 pm
    by Herman Neutic

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    Like the man said, “this was one of the most enjoyable Pistons games of the season.”

    It’s all part of the process, the foundation is being set. Winning, always important, is secondary at this stage of the game, isn’t it?

  • Dec 26, 201211:32 pm
    by Mrshourite

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    Did anyone else notice that when Austin Daye hit that 3-pointer with 4 seconds left, everyone was reacting like we had just won the ECF and Prince seemed to collect everyone trying to calm them down saying….”Calm the *!@k down! Cuz we ain’t won ish yet!” I thought that was a good example of the veteran leadership that we lack at the PG position. That was pretty solid of Prince to provide that even though he wasn’t on the court much late until Stuckey went down.

    • Dec 27, 20121:22 am
      by jkg1610

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      Fuck tashaun he need to be benched and daye needs to start

      • Dec 27, 20122:07 am
        by Delray313

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        Yes sir i agree

  • Dec 26, 201211:34 pm
    by Reaction

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    To be honest.. I don’t know what to consider Knight anymore. He just doesn’t seem to have the court vision necessary to be a pg or at least isn’t naturally gifted with it. His assist totals have been far too low except against absolute garbage teams. Should the Pistons start pursuing a new young pg project and use Knight as a combo guard? I just don’t know anymore. 

  • Dec 26, 201211:36 pm
    by Mark

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    If your name isn’t Kobe you shouldn’t be jacking up shots like Bynum did tonight. Frank should have taken him out in the second overtime. This was a winnable game. The coach has got to do a better job of coaching the game, not watching like a fan. 

    • Dec 27, 20121:31 am
      by Samuel Small

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      Ok Mark, and do what, put Brandon Back in the game? 

    • Dec 27, 20126:22 am
      by Derek

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      idk.  If your name isn’t Kobe and you’ve got the the hot hand and you’re hitting 50% of your shots (13 for 26) and a team that is scoring challenged you have got to keep shooting.  The game was only winnable because Bynum and company started lighting the Hawks up.  Bynum exploded like this in a game during the Kuester days and Kuester benched him when he had the hot hand.  Everybody thought that was a dumb decision.  Frank rode the hot hand…and that’s a dumb decision too?  Nah

    • Dec 27, 20122:38 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      While I agree Bynum isn’t the answer to the teams problems, take him out???  In sports you go with what’s working.  Bynum was working, it’s hard to take someone when they are bring the team back from 22 down.
       
      With all that said I disagree with just about everyone on this board when they say this shows something good about the team.  There was little good here, it was mostly one guy got hot as the other team went to sleep being up by 22.  I say a similar game with Sacramento vs Indiana earlier this season and Sac has progressed worth a ____.  
       
      For a team to progress, the TEAM has to play well, not just one guy getting hot.

  • Dec 26, 201211:36 pm
    by money

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    bynum had 2 turnovers in 36 mins knight had 4 in 23 mins of play if it wasnt for bynum the pistons would have never bad a comeback

    • Dec 27, 20122:27 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      While I agree with the statement, Bynum’s one on one mentality is going to win many games either.
       
      This team has serious issues at the 1, 2 and 3.  Knight plays way too out of control, Bynum is a ball hog, Singler can shoot sometimes and nothing else, Stuckey is Bynum without range, TP is long washed up, Corey is broken most of the time and Daye can do nothing but stand behind the 3 point line.
       
      Until we get a quality 1, 2 or 3 (or until one develops) I just see us stuck in the mud.

      • Dec 27, 20122:29 pm
        by jamesjones_det

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        Should read *isn’t going to win many games either

  • Dec 26, 201211:53 pm
    by Lorenzo

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    A loss is a loss but you can’t fault the team for a lack of effort (at least the second unit), Bynum and the second unit worked their butts off to come back from 22 down to almost pull it off. That second unit completely earned the right to finish that game off in regulation and the OT’s, I have to commend Frank for rewarding them and sticking with them till the end.

    • Dec 27, 20121:32 am
      by Samuel Small

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      Period, end of story.

  • Dec 26, 201211:59 pm
    by Fennis

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    Why can’t Frank adapt to the game situation? Why not sub Monroe and Prince in for a few minutes at a time to give your “momentary starters” a breather? Why play the super subs the entire fourth quarter and overtime just to make a point to the rest of the team? Frank is more concerned with sending messages than winning games. He is stubborn to a fault, a lighthearted Napoleon. 

    • Dec 27, 20125:51 am
      by Vic

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      Yep. Same thing all year… Nonsense decisions, just processes and messages. It they are producing I understand, but if you give them a breather and some direction they can keep producing for you.

  • Dec 27, 201212:08 am
    by lisa

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    I thought it was a really hard game to watch, in fact I left it a couple times because we were playing so bad. No defense, and not taking care of the ball! But when the bench came in the second quarter and brought us to within five at the half. I was like wow we are back in this. Then the third quarter the same old stuff, LF took to long to sub, a big hole again. Then a great come back in the forth was fun to watch. In over time we needed to sub and share the ball, neither happened!

  • Dec 27, 201212:32 am
    by Mike

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    Atlanta played terribly (especially the 1st Q) and the Pistons played worse, that loss is on L Frank.  I’m a bigger “Fire Lawerence Frank” fan than ever.  The Pistons actually have a better team than Atlanta except for the coaches.  Atlanta’s coach Drew is far superior to L. Frank.

    I figured when the game started that the Pistons thought there was going to be a T-Ball game and Atlanta showed up to play basketball.  Even though Atlanta barely executed in the 1st quarter they still held a 13 point lead.  A halfway decent Piston coach would have turned around the 1st quarter turnover-fest one way or another and had us / the Pistons in the game by the end of the first and had a 10 point lead by half.  The game should have never gotten to over time – I believe the Pistons displayed more talent on the floor and just made thoughtless mistakes that are NOT that hard to “coach out” of even rookies.  

    That said, the 4th quarter and 1st overtime were fun fun fun to watch.  Hell who knows, this team could actually end up being decent in a year or two despite L Frank.  Of course, I bet you L Frank is LONG gone before that ever happens.  Make my day Gore… FIRE FRANK.  And aaahhh… by the way, start the 2nd string and make the starters subs while your at it.  What a pitiful coach. 

    • Dec 27, 20129:25 am
      by tarsier

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      “The Pistons actually have a better team than Atlanta except for the coaches.”

      Yeah, ok then. After this, I couldn’t even be bothered to read the rest. There was no reason to take any of it seriously.

  • Dec 27, 201212:33 am
    by Crispus

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    I actually like our bench much more than our starters so tonight’s game was a fun one to watch, regardless of the eventual disappointment.
    Good God Monroe is so abysmal at post defense. if His man doesn’t get an open dunk on the defensive switch they aren’t paying attention. With Monroe and Max in the game there is this big dusty space where our paint defense should be. There was a junction in the 1st half where Drummond went out for Monroe and Atlanta immediately got two consecutive open dunks on bad switches. Monroe also looked completely out of control on offense, getting in too deep with his 1960′s vintage slow motion dribble drives – those aren’t fooling anybody in this day and age. I know this was one of his bad games and he has a good attitude, but am I missing something? Together Knight and Monroe formed a turnover axis that fed Josh Smith until he grew fat with steals and dunks.
    Drummond looked nice out there. He completely changes our lane defense from ‘none whatsoever’ to ‘proceed with caution’. Bynum was having a career game, he got tunnel vision late, but I wouldn’t have the heart to yank him either. CV and Daye are fun. CV knows his shot and doesn’t hesitate. Daye is still a mixed bag, but you can see why the Pistons haven’t completely given up on him. Good to see those guys rehabilitated and playing hard. Stuckey is easily our best playmaker, even though he’s still a spazz at times and can’t finish at the rim. I’ll have to try to catch some more games, but from what I can tell Knight doesn’t have that aura of leadership yet, Monroe is getting exposed, Maxiell is too shrimpy to guard bigs, Singler is playing out of position and Tayshaun is solid but static. I say bring on the bench.

    • Dec 27, 20125:54 am
      by Vic

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      Turnover axis???? 
      Wow you dropped some really good ones there. 

    • Dec 27, 20125:56 am
      by Vic

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      Sad thing is, it’s funny but I agree.

  • Dec 27, 201212:34 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Drummond has made a clear case but at this point it is what it is

  • Dec 27, 201212:45 am
    by Mike

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    Miracle stat of the day +/- for Daye and Charlie V +16 and +17…huh…??? WTF, never would’a thunk it.

  • Dec 27, 201212:59 am
    by shawn brown

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    i agree with those who believe drummond should start but just dont  expect him to be getting 25 points a night…wouldnt everyone be happy with 3 blocks and 10 rebounds a game because at this point its not unreasonable to think he could give you that.

    i believe both knight and monroe are solid players but the most frustrating thing about both of them is the seemingly careless turnovers, i mean how many times have you seen greg monroe be stripped by a PG at the high post..you would think by now he would know that teams are waiting for him to do just that..put the ball down, stutter step …opps ..stripped and the other team is down the court for a dunk. in knights case he has to learn to make better entry passes..if they could clean that up the pistons would be so much better.

    maxiell…i love max but he is was he is…an energy player off the bench thats being mismanaged as a starter.  im not taking anything away from him ..he has had some great moments but he really needs to be coming off the bench at this point in time.

    daye , charlie v and bynum will be gone when this team returns to the playoffs so if they play well perhaps dumars can get something for them even if its picks.

    im curious to know what our cap situation is after this season.  its almost a givin that we will have another high draft pick on our team….would we have enough money to make a run at dwight howard?   heres the deal..i know hes a bit of a flake but so was rasheed and it worked out well for the team when he came here. i know the situations are vastly different but i see dwight filling a void that this team really needs ….DEFENSE.   he wouldnt have to be the focal point of the offense with monroe, stuckey and knight all being here and i think thats what his problem has been.   he is good enough to be double teamed but on the pistons he wouldnt have to give you thirty a night…just rebound and block shots. does anyone else think . assuming of course that he doesnt resign with the lakers, that it would make any sense at all for him to come here.      just putting that out there.  what do you guys think?

    • Dec 27, 20121:21 am
      by Brigs

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      Would u leave LA for detriot lol.seriously though he cares too much about the spotlight to ever come here besides we should have plenty of money to make a run at a maybe 1 or 2 good players if we don’t use the cap space for trades

  • Dec 27, 20121:16 am
    by Brigs

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    Charlie v, daye, and Bynum just some upped their trade value big time. theres 8 teams rights now kicking themselves for beliveing that b. s. about drummonds motor, he was just as active in the 2nd ot as he was the begining of the 4th Qt. even though we lost this game could be the start of some big changes I just hope joe d can pull off the type of impactful trade we’ve been waitin for ever since gores bought the team

  • Dec 27, 20121:30 am
    by Lake Side Live

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    Even without the 2 overtimes Drummond does 12 points and 10 rebounds, monroe and maxiell in roughly the same amount of time 11 pts and 10 rebounds COMBINED.

    Bynum’s game was a fluke like his 20 assist game a few years ago, he has a focus which is scoring, and as others have mentioned that would be the result of the loss he got his tunnel vision and missed the open man.  Only stuckey seems to be have developed any court vision now going 6.4 assists in Dec compared to 2.1 assists.  He should be starting pg with knight at sg, and let bynum take all his shots off the bench.  I know we will be a worse defensive back court, but it’s really not that great now with knight’s poor vision and singlers slow foot speed.

    Why was management  so concerned with the slow developing 1 yr center but throws the slow developing 1 yr point guard in the fire, with stuckey reaching his 4 year peak when knight grabbed the start last yr, when this year stuck came back healthy? I don’t get it.  Stuckey pg, knight 6th man, bynum gone, draft ben mclemore. 2013 offseason, in my opinion 

    • Dec 27, 20121:30 am
      by Lake Side Live

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      sorry going on 2.1 turnovers

  • Dec 27, 20121:32 am
    by jkg1610

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    Maxille was a NON FACTOR today! drummond needs tostart asap! And everyone complaining about brandon knight needs to shut up! He dosent get the GREEN light like will bynum did tonight! Everytime bk7 bring the ball down, he passes It! He a scoring gaurd! Dont expect him to avg 6 ast on this team wit less talent! And daye needs to start over tayshaun! He slows the ball down WAYYYY TO MUCH when theres easy baskets down the court… And is a ballhog wannabe PG heres my starting lineup

    PG brandon knight
    SG kyle singler
    SF austin daye
    PF greg monroe
    C andre drummond!!!!!

    bench
    PG will bynum(shoot to much)
    SG rodney stucky
    SF tayshaun/ charlie V
    PF jason Maxille
    C drummond/monroe/ slava 

    • Dec 27, 20121:44 am
      by Jodi Jezz

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      We’ll never be a respectable or competitive team with Singler in our starting line-up…We need to get back to Piston basketball…

      • Dec 27, 20122:10 am
        by Delray313

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        I dont think singler is the answer either good role player but not an effective starter on a regular basis

  • Dec 27, 20122:12 am
    by Venice

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    pls bench singler .what he made at the early season seems to be a fluke .

  • Dec 27, 20122:14 am
    by Venice

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    Give kim english some minutes !and bring back JJ!

    • Dec 27, 201210:57 am
      by vic

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      yes please

      • Dec 27, 20122:18 pm
        by jamesjones_det

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        Bah, under Franks 2K couching there is no room for players who share the rock.

  • Dec 27, 20122:16 am
    by Mrshourite

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    Knight has always had the green light since his rookie year. He just hasn’t got noticeably better as of yet. Even most recently Joe Dumars made a statement backing Knight saying we need him to score and play his game to win. True, we don’t have a young Jason Kidd or the 2nd coming of Zeke, but if he could develop similar to Chauncey or even Jason Terry he will be a good role player for a very long time. I’m just tired of the NBA and the Pistons trying to force feed stars on us fans. We need an on the court leader and facilitator who can put the big men the ball in their sweet spots and actually run the offense. My vote, Jose Calderon, Eric Bledsoe, Andre Miller, Luke Ridnour, Jameer Nelson, Ramon Sessions, Price called it on point before preseason when he said that we needed a veteran PG. At 1st I took that as a slight against Knight but now I really see the logic behind that. We could use a vet until we draft a young stud with natural ball distributing instincts. 

    • Dec 27, 20122:20 am
      by jkg1610

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      He is still a kid give him time! 

    • Dec 27, 20123:01 am
      by Jon

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      jameer nelson? you’ve got to be kidding. if we offered any combination of two players on our team for nelson the magic wouldn’t think twice before going through with it

      • Dec 27, 201210:30 am
        by Mrshourite

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        Yeah, I know right. I’m not a fan of Jameer Nelson either. I must admit that I was reaching a little trying to emphasize our need for a veteran pg. 

  • Dec 27, 20122:26 am
    by piston moribund

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    Great game, even watched the replay but some things were even more obvious the second time around.  Wonder if Frank is watching the same game I am.  observations from game film.
    1.  The offense stagnates when Moose gets the ball at the elbow.  Everyone stops and waits.
    2.  Moose gets the ball a lot at the elbow and everyone stands and waits until he fumbles towards the basket and throws up a prayer.
    3.  Max cant play defense one on one.  Too much turkey.
    4.  BK cant be on point if he has to give it up to Moose every time down the court.
    5.  Moose is trying to be a point guard but he sucks as a point guard.
    6.  How do you play point if you have to give it up every time you get the ball past the time line.
    7.  Great not having to watch Moose get the ball, hold it for 15 seconds and then make an awkward move toward the basket or pretend to shoot and make an awkward move to the basket.  I think thats why Dan enjoyed the game so much.
    8.  Will has blinders on.
    9.  Austin is open a lot but no one will pass him the ball.  No wonder he has a complex.  Maybe he is too tired from waving all the time.
    10.  Moose is a pussy on defense.  CV puts him to shame and that is saying something. 
    11.  Frank sucks as a coach if even I can predict what he is going to do on offense.
    12.  Kyle runs around but no one will pass him the ball, no wait, I mean Moose wont pass him the ball when he makes the cut.
    And the winner of the black hole offensive player of the year is…….Moose.
    He is either used improperly or he is not quite the team player everyone touts him to be.  Game plan for Moose.  When he gets the ball at the elbow, strip him or step away and make him shoot the ball.  Easy A.  he might pass it and get some assists but we can live with that. 
    I have come to realize that the game is boring when Moose is playing.  He is like as slower smaller suckier version of Pat Ewing.  I would rather those assists count as rebounds or blocks.  His nick name should be Mussy.
    Dan, what is Mussy’s GPA, I would be interested to know what his is compared to the rest of the team.  Maybe that would be a good way to keep tabs on the players.  A running GPA.
    And finally, trade everyone on the bench and Moose while we still can.  If they suck, then great.  If they are good, then at least they might be used properly and Kim could get some burn.  But alas, tis only a dream fast becoming a nightmare.
     
     

    • Dec 27, 20129:07 pm
      by Crispus

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      I have also been extremely unimpressed by the times I have seen Monroe play. I always read about how solid he is on here and last year’s stats are good, but I see him him and blech. His offense is awkward and makes you go Nooooo unless he scores then you go Yesss (like JR Smith 3 years ago). His pick and roll defense is a turnstile to the Uncontested Dunk Train.
       
      You watch someone like Marc Gasol who is also a finesse passing big man and you see a player playing so much smarter and so much more within himself. Gasol isn’t trying to do awkward dribble drives or holding the ball out to be stolen by the first double team or quick swat. Monroe needs to go back to school and step his game up another level.
       
      You say the bench are bums but at what point do they become a better bargain than the starters? Daye is cheap, Stuckey is fairly priced, Charlie knows he has no bargaining power for an extension. Why not hang on to those guys if they are producing and playing with energy?
       

  • Dec 27, 20122:53 am
    by DasMark

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    Reading the comments is rather funny. All the analysis, pointless. 

    The reason Bynum, Charlie and Daye were playing big minutes is to showcase them to potential trade partners. 

    Nice to see Drummond getting some burn with the bums.  

  • Dec 27, 20126:12 am
    by Vic

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    Otto Porter in the draft – so we can move Prince and make Singler backup 3

    Eric Bledsoe in the trade

    Knight
    Bledsoe
    Otto
    Monroe
    Drummond

    Get the ball out of Knights hands into Bledsoes 
    Get the ball out of Monroe’s hands into Ottos  
    Defense improves exponentially.
    Turnovers go down.
    Everyone can produce more 

    I really wish they could make a trade for an extra first round pick. 

    • Dec 27, 20127:18 am
      by DG

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      I like your thought process, Vic.  You address the two biggest areas of need, true PG and SF.  I had Porter as my backup plan, but would rather see them draft Carter-Williams and sign a free agent like Josh Smith.  I don’t see anything Detroit has that would fetch back Bledsoe, or anybody else in a trade really.  Their biggest values are in expiring contracts.

      Carter-Williams
      Knight
      Smith
      Monroe
      Drummond 

      • Dec 27, 201210:27 am
        by Mrshourite

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        Bledsoe will be a free agent this offseason. Just hoping that the Clippers are still the Clippers and decide to let him walk without resigning him.

      • Dec 27, 201211:12 am
        by vic

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        Thanks… I was really into Carter Williams too.

        But his shooting is just not good enough at all. He really wouldn’t even see the court.

        Temple took away his passing lanes, let him shoot, he missed about 80% of his shots and free throws. Very few ncaa players succeed in the NBA with a true shooting percentage of less than 55%. Not even Rondo or Jason Kidd was that bad. Even Derrick Williams was a better shooter than MCW. Unless he turns it completely around I can’t see it working.

        Otto is a great passer defender and shooter who can space the floor and mitigate the deficiencies of both Monroe (defense) and Knight (passing, since unfortunately they seem sold out to Knight as pg).

        Bledsoe is great all around and has already passed his learning curve. Clippers cant afford to pay 4 stars, so hopefully he”s the odd man out. If Joe gets him all his sins are officially forgiven. That would be as big as Houston getting Harden. 

        • Dec 27, 20122:24 pm
          by Lake Side Live

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          Don’t see what bledsoe will bring guy is injury prone only played 40 games last year has been out with hip problems this year.  Career assists 2.9 a year.  Plus he has a team option for next season at 2.6 million not a big cap concern 

        • Dec 27, 20122:29 pm
          by Lake Side Live

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          Take a look at Jarrett Jack however and see you see a guy that’s on the chauncey cusp of his career and plays the same level of defense.

        • Dec 27, 20123:28 pm
          by DG

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          Only trade I see working with LAC is Maggette for Butler and Bledsoe.  If I was LAC, I’d make the Pistons throw in the draft pick to replace the best young player in the trade (Bledsoe).  Therefore one player would cost the Pistons two significant assets (I’d be ok with it if LAC took the deal, but think they will get a better offer).  That also leaves them without the ability to fill the other major hole on the team.

          The problem with trading with LAC is that they have all of their big contracts wrapped up in the right players (Griffin, Paul, Jordan and Crawford – not that big).  Odom has an expiring 8M contract.  Butler has 2 years at 8M/season left.  That could net them Villanueva (spread 4 like you say), but that costs the Pistons double in the sense that they would lose the ability to amnesty Villanueva to create cap space – not that they’ve shown any signs of doing that to date.  Everybody else has a very reasonable contract.

          I still like Carter-Williams.  His shooting numbers are quite a bit better as a freshman, and the majority of his poor shooting percentage from this year is from the last two games, which to me is too small of a sample size.  I think it will improve over the rest of the year and we’ll have a better sense once it normalizes.  Was he exposed, or did he have a bad game?  Not totally sure yet.

          Shooting is also the one skill that improves the most when players go pro.  I know Carter-Williams is a bit older, but even Chris Paul only averaged 6-7 assists a game in college.  Likely his assists will drop and his shooting percentage will go up as he gets into the big east portion of the schedule.  We’ll see.  I do like Porter a lot too, though.  I’d very happy if the Pistons got him.

      • Dec 27, 201211:16 am
        by vic

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        Plus Detroit has 2floor spacing PFs that may be able to fill a role better than Lamar Odom, and expiring contracts to keep room for their superstars… We can give them expiring contracts and cash

  • Dec 27, 20127:41 am
    by ryank

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    Watching Bynum go off like that is like having a hot streak at a casino…the best move is to quit while you’re ahead.  Instead the team stayed with him a let him go through the inevitable losing streak that balances things odds out.

  • Dec 27, 20129:21 am
    by Day and Knight

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    Our bench>our starters and since I’m clearly the only one to say it, I will once again say that Monroe is indeed overrated in this town, but slightly underrated anywhere else. 

  • Dec 27, 20129:41 am
    by Scott Free

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    HEADLINE: Pistons live and die by ballhog.

  • Dec 27, 20129:56 am
    by Tyrone

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    Heart breaking loss, this was a game we should have won.

    With that being said, the bench showed up and played there tails off!  Stuckey, CV, and Drummond have been playing very well together on the second unit all season.  CV played good at both ends of the court.  Daye did some things good late in the game, it was obvious early on that his team mates dont fully trust him 100%, but when some of his shoots started to fall he quickly gained some much needed confidence.

    Bynum showed up and showed out!!!  He displayed that he is a true professional, when his number was called he made the most of the playing time.  Will the thrill was the reason why this was a game, he was determined to win this game and the rest of the players on the floor gained momentum from his effort and energy!  Great game Will, way to play DETROIT BASKETBALL!!!   

    • Dec 27, 201210:59 am
      by Scott Free

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      He called his number enough, dont you think?  If Bynum were Knight he’d have received a B- and decrying him for being a shooting guard in a point guards body…  Yeah Bynum may receive an A for a trade piece vs. a starter, but he’s also had YEARS in this league to learn things we expect Knight to have known coming out of college apparently.

      • Dec 27, 201211:15 pm
        by Tyrone

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        Bynum’s contract is over at the end of this season, so he has a reason to play hard either to stay with this team or put some film out there for another team.  If he is traded then so be it, with that being said I say Will the thrill keep playing hard and keep the pressure on our young player BK7.  When Bynum and Stuckey are getting the minutes then its my hope that BK7 will work that much harder to get back on the floor and play.  
         

  • Dec 27, 201211:29 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Knight should shoot and go gun more…he had a great run, when he was putting up 18 shots per-game……

    The offense look better than any other time…

    We can make Knight into something he is not….

    Drummond has clearly out shined Maxiell…. i dont want to hear about energy off the bench….Start him he has earned it…you can start someone and bring them along slowly 

    • Dec 27, 201211:11 pm
      by jkg1610

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      I totally agree but stupid frank always call plays for weak ppl like tayshan and maxille it irritates me! Let knight use his speed in a pic n roll or somthing damn

  • Dec 27, 201211:36 am
    by Corey

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    Kind of odd: Pistons retooled the roster and tried to build the team around the idea they could turn a combo guard into a point guard. They succeeded after several years. But they’ve now got him playing backup while they try to turn ANOTHER combo guard into a point guard.

    They need Stuckey to be the PG and handle the ball - and have BK be the backup combo guard off the bench. Knight could still get 30 mpg at both guard spots.

  • Dec 27, 201212:03 pm
    by Tony

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    The pistons need to tweak the starting unit.  The slow starts happen almost every game.  I would start Stuck at PG and C.V. at PF.  This unit would spread the court and give you more offensive punch and less turnovers.  Drummond and Max could give you Energy off the bench.  Knight could concentrate on scoring off the bench and not concern his self with running the offense and cut down on the turnovers.  Day could spread the court.

  • Dec 27, 20122:09 pm
    by Frankie d

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    As one of the few guys – maybe the only guy, really – who has steadfastly stayed in Daye’s corner, it was nice to see him have a bit of success.  Hopefully he’s turned a corner and is ready to consistently show his skills and talents and contribute. As someone else indicated, at least now he is showing some of the reasons joe d spent a relatively high choice on him. 
    While it is highly likely that he is simply being showcase for trades, I hope joe d does the logical thing and instead moves Tay and maggette so that PT will open up for daye and singler and JJ and English. 

    • Dec 27, 20122:16 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      Daye sucks, he hit one luck shot, who cares.
       
      If we can get someone to trade for him over that crap filled performance more power to Joe.

      • Dec 27, 20123:53 pm
        by Scott Free

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        Yeah, I can hit a wide open 3 too, but you don’t see me riding the pine for Detroit.  I’d say 1 clutch 3 is exciting, but without a larger sample, its just nothing to hang your hat on.

      • Dec 27, 20124:45 pm
        by Frankie d

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        Went through this discussion the last season and I am tired of it. Regardless, there was a reason Detroit drafted daye and a reason other teams have tried to steal him away for cheap.  He has talent.  Whether he has the mindset, the emotional makeup to realize that talent is an entirely different matter.  
        it has always been my view that daye has never gotten the chance that other players have gotten, from stuckey to knight and now, ironically, even Kyle singler.  All of those guys have really, truly sucked for long stretches and have always gotten a chance at redemption and a place in the rotation.
        singler is the most interesting comparison.  He has truly sucked the last dozen games, yet he retains his starting spot.  Offensively his shot has almost disappeared and defensively he gets torched as his lack of perimeter speed is no longer a secret around the league.  if fans applied the daye standard to singler they would be calling for his benching,
        instead…nothing, other than a few stray comments.  
        Contrast singler’s current slump with the stretch that got daye tosses out of last year’s rotation – soon after a career game against miami – and the coach’s decisions are tough to reconcile. 
        I have always argued and will still argue that daye has never gotten a solid short here and I believe that he will never get that shot here.  Too bad for him and the team.
        someeone else will get the benefit of his talent while Detroit fans will have fond memories of Damien Wilkins and Corey maggette to keep them warm. 

        • Dec 27, 20127:01 pm
          by Scott Free

          Reply

          I think I still disagree with you, but you make a compelling point.

        • Dec 27, 20127:30 pm
          by kamal

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          Word up, Frankie D.  Daye hasn’t gotten his shot here.  Kuester played at the 2 and the 4.  Frank played him at the 4.  Nobody has ever played him at his natural position, the 3.  

          However, with Kuester, it looked like he was going to be a rotation player.  Hell, it looked like he was going to be our starting 3 but Tayshaun re-signed.  And then for some crazy reason, Frank played Wilkins as Tayshaun’s primary back-up.

          I don’t get it. 

  • Dec 27, 20122:15 pm
    by jamesjones_det

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    Let’s be honest, the team still looked like crap despite coming back from 22 down.  It was 90% one on one play with almost no defense.
     
    We are not going to win many games staring down defenders hoping they miss the shot.

  • Dec 27, 20124:01 pm
    by Scott Free

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    For everyone talking about how hot Bynum was… He was calling his own number FAR too much for a 3rd string point guard, and thats how he plays irrespective of whether his shot was falling or not.  This is just going to provide him the minutes and impetus to continue his me-first style of play.

    Bynum may have earned more playing time, but we’ll come to regret it (or we would if the Pistons weren’t already a lost cause).  His confidence is a liability whenever he reaches the court.  Case-in-point, Will brought us back from certain defeat, but he also ensured the team lost in the final minutes.  In the final overtime, the Hawks defense had finally adjusted on Bynum who played into their hands, by forcing layups when they needed 3s from a wide open CV and Daye.

    I’m not saying it couldn’t (or wouldn’t) happen with the other guards on this team… but it feels like I am the ONLY one that didn’t like what I saw from Bynum?   

    • Dec 27, 20124:30 pm
      by Georgio

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      I agree with you Scott, I was screaming at the TV pass the ball, it was obvious that they were loading up the middle on Bynum but he just charged in there anyway and you have Daye and CV standing behind the 3pt line waving their hands absolutely by themselves. To me Bynum did himself no favors with his performance last night, he was a 5’9 shooting guard with blinders on when he’s supposed to be a point guard.  He shot us back in the game but he also shot us out of the game.

      • Dec 27, 201211:28 pm
        by Tyrone

        Reply

        Georgio, There was no game with out Will the thrills energy and effort.  We were being blown out by 20+ points…  Please give credit where and when credit is due, Will Bynum got his chance and made the most of it…

        Lets all hope that BK7 realizes that he could lose out on playing time and works harder at not turning the ball over, and developing his game into a NBA point guard. 

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