Comments on: Tayshaun Prince’s quiet improvement

By: apa8ren9

apa8ren9 — Mon, 10 Dec 2012 18:01:36 +0000

Ive been a supporter of Tayshaun’s and I argued that I didnt think the contract was as bad as a lot of people thought. I have noticed that as Monroe and Knight have played better he has filled in and played better. He doesnt need to force things cause Knight and Monroe know what to do now. However with this coach and his lack of adjustments, this has probably cost us 3-4 games that we could have won so far. I dont expect Tayshaun to be traded until we are winning team in the 45-50 win range and that probably wont happen until 2014. That is also about the time when no one will need to hold Drummond’s hand at all and he will be one of the top 5 centers in the league.

By: Max

Max — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:23:16 +0000

Tarsier’s point about it being a gross misrepresentation is correct and why Labatts post is irritating.

By: Max

Max — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:15:10 +0000

?: Does the average Pistons fan on this site act like the team was just recently contending or do they act like the Pistons have sucked for a long time? Food for thought.

By: Max

Max — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 04:07:21 +0000

You’re right. When you said 09, I was thinking 08-09. My time frame was a bit off although I still think Johnson was traded in 08-09. Everything I said about recent history and what four years means in the NBA stands though.

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:51:26 +0000

They were absolutely NOT contenders in 09-10 when he made the Afflalo/Johson trades. Dumars himself referred to it as a transition phase. They’d lost Billups through the trade in season year before, lost Iverson, Wallace and McDyess in free agency, etc. No one, not even Dumars thought the team was a contending team then. I believe he called it ‘rebuilding while remaining competitive.’ Competitive is not contending.

By: Max

Max — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:48:47 +0000

Yes. It was essentially a different epoch in Pistons history and came at a time when Dumars was attempting a home run swing to keep the Pistons from falling helplessly into quicksand. He obviously whiffed but those trades have almost no bearing on an evaluation of whether Dumars can make positive trades while in rebuilding mode because he made the moves when they were still considered contenders and was trying to keep them there. It is very common for contending teams to dump young prospects in such a phase. The new year is just around the bend and 4 years ago is an eternity in NBA terms as most coaches and players don’t last four years with a single team and most teams don’t experience four years with the same core.

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:30:55 +0000

I don’t know exactly what their plan is, but Stein or Woj reported that was part of the holdup to them dealing Gasol — they don’t want to take on contracts that last beyond the 13-14 season in exchange for him.

By: Patrick Hayes

Patrick Hayes — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:30:00 +0000

So dumping Afflalo and Johnson in 2009 for peanuts was too long ago to be considered ‘recent’ history then?

By: Max

Max — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:25:23 +0000

My post doesn’t lack substance because my points were correct and your response to me has you performing one of your pet peeves by arguing against points that I didn’t make. Further, your hedging on the value of the Stuckey-Darko trade is very suspect in terms of intellectual honesty since any number of trades could be classified as fixing a mistake but I never see writers act so unfairly as to use how a player traded was originally acquired to grade a trade. Your doing so seems to be more about winning a debate then anything else to me.
Also, I don’t know that Dumars recent trade history, the Gordon trade, wasn’t a good one since only time will tell and I’m very happy that Gordon is gone—you say I am too uncritical of Piston players but I never said anything positive about Gordon on these boards, quite the opposite, when he was on the team.

By: tarsier

tarsier — Sat, 08 Dec 2012 03:25:11 +0000

Why not? Who are they looking to sign after next season? Or are they just trying to avoid a big tax hit? Because if it’s that, I’m guessing it would come down to whether they thought another piece would push them over the top or not (a la the Spurs signing Jefferson).