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Pistons reverse trend of blowing big leads, but end result stays the same in loss to Brooklyn

The Pistons have had a nasty trend this season of building big leads in games only to see those leads disappear in losses. Tonight, they were the ones who fell behind by 17 points and came storming back to take a lead. Unfortunately, the end results stayed the same as the Nets won in double overtime on a last second shot by Joe Johnson.

Up front, the Pistons played a competitive, fun to watch game Friday against the Brooklyn Nets. That’s not always a given this season, so I’m don’t want to bog this down with complaints. I’ll just get the handful I have out of the way up front and we’ll move on to the good stuff from there, sound good?

  • The Pistons gave up an offensive rebound late in regulation and an offensive rebound in the first overtime that ultimately led to the Nets tying the game. On the one in regulation, it was kind of a flukey play — Tayshaun Prince had to help on Joe Johnson and his man, Gerald Wallace, took advantage of a defense that couldn’t get a body on him. I’m not saying Andre Drummond would’ve got to that ball. It would’ve been tough for him to get in position to keep Wallace (a good offensive rebounder for a wing) from getting to the ball. But I would’ve at least liked to have seen him on the court with a chance. The one in overtime, Jason Maxiell got his fingertips on a ball high in the air and just barely missed corralling it. Drummond’s roughly five more inches definitely would’ve got that one. And in the second overtime, the Nets got quite a few second chance opportunities that they thankfully didn’t cash in on. Drummond played great tonight, but didn’t make an appearance in either overtime. That’s just a terrible coaching decision, even if Lawrence Frank did do some positive things tonight.
  • Maxiell grabbing two rebounds in 38 minutes is inexcusable.
  • Brandon Knight at the end of regulation and Rodney Stuckey at the end of the first overtime didn’t work for good enough shots. Both had success beating Brooklyn’s guards off the dribble in the game, but both settled for mid-range jumpers. Further, neither guy took all the time off the clock, so the Nets had the ball back with time for a shot in both cases, although they, again, didn’t take advantage.
  • The game could’ve been over in regulation, had the officials not waved off a Charlie Villanueva tip-in that should’ve counted. Villanueva got an offensive rebound of a Drummond miss, but the officials apparently concluded that Drummond’s shot didn’t hit rim. Replays showed it did, and officials even looked at those replays. I have no idea what they saw that suggested Villanueva’s shot shouldn’t have counted. It was the wrong call and it could’ve been the difference in the game. The officials also blew what should’ve been an over and back call when Brooklyn inbounded the ball to Deron Williams with 16 seconds left in the second overtime.
  • Greg Monroe and Maxiell missing free throws in the second overtime. Can’t do that, particularly Monroe missing two with the Pistons down one with 16 seconds left.
  • Joe Johnson made Prince look really bad, shaking him on a crossover to get a clean look at the game-winner.

There are certainly things I could go in-depth on being critical, but this was an overall enjoyable game. The Pistons overcame a 17-point deficit, they did it on the road, they had some strong defensive possessions and all of their key young players had great moments at different times in this game.

Detroit Pistons 105 FinalRecap | Box Score 107 Brooklyn Nets
Jason Maxiell, PF 38 MIN | 3-8 FG | 7-8 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 13 PTS | -5I have no idea how Maxiell played 38 minutes and only came up with two rebounds. He played decent defense when he was matched up with Brook Lopez early in the second half, but that’s really the only saving grace for his performance tonight.
Tayshaun Prince, SF 44 MIN | 6-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 10 REB | 6 AST | 12 PTS | +6Prince looked bad on the final defensive possession and, generally, was overmatched against Johnson and Gerald Wallace. But Prince shot well, he helped on the glass (and it was needed, thanks to Maxiell’s lack of production there) and had six assists. Another solid all-around game in a solid all-around season for Prince.
Kyle Singler, SF 32 MIN | 4-12 FG | 0-0 FT | 8 REB | 3 AST | 8 PTS | -1I was actually mad on Detroit’s final possession because the ball went to Knight on the in-bound when Singler was barely being guarded by the Nets. I wouldn’t have minded Singler, who was pretty rested then, taking a clean look at a three in that situation. But Knight forced a bad shot and Singler crashed the glass to tie it prior to Johnson’s dagger. He, like Prince, helped pick up the slack on the glass too.
Greg Monroe, C 43 MIN | 7-15 FG | 3-6 FT | 8 REB | 2 AST | 17 PTS | +8Monroe wasn’t bad tonight, but he’s rushing his offense a lot (he had favorable matchups against shorter defenders in the post several times and didn’t work for shots he looked comfortable taking in a few instances) and he gets marked down for missing two important free throws in double overtime. He rebounded better than Maxiell, but still not well enough considering how many minutes he played.
Brandon Knight, PG 47 MIN | 8-18 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 5 AST | 22 PTS | +9There was a great sequence with Knight late in regulation in tonight’s game. After he turned it over late in the fourth resulting in a Nets bucket, he came back on the next possession and made a jumper to put the Pistons up 85-84. Then he came up with a steal, led the break and made a nice pass to Prince for a short shot to put the Pistons up 87-84. He also made a couple of underrated plays — a great save of an awful Monroe pass in the fourth that prevented a turnover and he lept in traffic against taller players and made a great catch of an offensive rebound being tipped around after Maxiell missed a free throw in double overtime. Like any Knight performance, there were things to pick at — his shot selection was questionable and he’s still a bit too casual with the ball — but he played with a toughness tonight that was hard not to admire. He also did a decent job defensively against the much stronger Williams.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 16 MIN | 1-6 FG | 2-2 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 4 PTS | -2His tip-in was a heady play that should’ve counted, and he did have an assist, a steal and more rebounds then Jason Maxiell in 42 percent of the minutes, but he didn’t shoot well, and if he’s not shooting well, he’s not helping much.
Corey Maggette, SF 11 MIN | 0-3 FG | 2-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | -3Maggette, as far as I could tell, was brought in to try and provide some defense against Johnson and Wallace. He was physical with them, but didn’t really slow them down much. He also missed a couple of wide open looks.
Andre Drummond, C 18 MIN | 4-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 9 REB | 0 AST | 8 PTS | -6Drummond grabbed four offensive rebounds in four minutes in the first half. He had nine boards overall in 18 minutes. It would’ve taken Maxiell 170 minutes to get nine boards at the rate he was going tonight. Drummond also blocked three shots and was on the court when the Pistons were playing their best late in the third and early in the fourth quarters. The only slight knock on Drummond tonight were two close-range shots he didn’t finish and the weird fadeaway he took with the shot clock running down. Those things are really minor considering the many, many positive things he brings. It makes no sense that he didn’t get at least a few minutes in the overtimes.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 40 MIN | 7-17 FG | 5-6 FT | 6 REB | 3 AST | 19 PTS | -16Poor shot at the end of the first overtime aside, Stuckey also made several plays down the stretch in that period that allowed the Pistons to force the second OT. He had a great drive past Williams, flinging him aside in the process, for a late bucket. Stuckey continues to be really comfortable in this role. It suits his skills really well.
Lawrence Frank, Coach It’s easy to get angry about Frank not using Drummond in the overtimes, considering how active Brooklyn’s frontcourt was and how ineffective Maxiell was. And don’t get me wrong, I’m incredibly frustrated by that. But it’s also important to note a couple of things that Frank did right — Monroe and Drummond played significant (not a lot, but significant in comparison to how little they typically play together) minutes at the same time in the second half, and the Pistons played really well in that stretch, so hopefully Frank finally realizes the benefits to using that combination. He also made nice adjustments at halftime. The Pistons had an awful second quarter and Brooklyn looked like this game would be a blowout. Frank has not been known for his ability to adjust at the half, but give him credit for that. The Pistons came out with a better offensive gameplan in the second half tonight, and that hasn’t happened often this season.

65 Comments

  • Dec 14, 201210:50 pm
    by Corey

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    I must now officially join the “Why does Maggete get any minutes?” chorus.

  • Dec 14, 201210:51 pm
    by jprime18

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    Don’t forget the blown call with the Deron backcourt violation in the second OT. Oh well, at least the boys didn’t give up

  • Dec 14, 201210:52 pm
    by Kerghan

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    Great game to watch one of the most exciting games the Pistons have been involved in for a long time.
    Unfortunately they came up short but completely agree with the bogus calls.
    Also was screaming for Dre to be in late in the game, he was changing so many shots earlier simply by being out there.
     

  • Dec 14, 201210:53 pm
    by Domnick

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    it was a bad feeling that monroe missed a pair of freethrows… he was not helping on rebounding too.. brooklyn grabbed alot of offensive rebounds… it shouldve been over during the regulation if we didn’t gave up the rebounds…
     
    still, i liked the way we played… we can believe that this team… even at this stage can play together and beat the top-tier teams…

  • Dec 14, 201211:03 pm
    by Mike

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    Hmmm… I wonder who the Pistons had sitting on the bench when they were NOT getting those rebounds.  Like the tip back that Wallace put in over JMax to put it into to over time.  There was a timeout right before that play… I’m wondering if the thought even crossed Frank’s mind (well maybe there is a mind up there)… to look down the bench for a REBOUNDER.

    Drummond had 9 rebounds in 18 minutes… Maxiell 2 rebounds in 38 minutes…

    Yep, it was an entertaining game… but I’ll be much more entertained when it’s Drummond who gets the 40 minutes in double overtime… and I’m betting I’m not alone.  The “bring Drummond along slow” ploy has been excessively overdone.  

  • Dec 14, 201211:04 pm
    by menten

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    please god, let maxiell have a season ending injury next game

    • Dec 14, 201211:10 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      i dont want that… i just want our coach to grow his pubs….. and make the decision to Start Drummond … 

      Maxiell is a good player to have on the Roster but not as a starter… he is a streaky rebounder and streaky rim protector….  

      • Dec 15, 201212:04 am
        by Scott Free

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        plus he has a  fairly reliable 15 footer (the pistons are not a great midrange team), and rarely makes significant mistakes.

    • Dec 15, 20128:39 am
      by ZekeKhaseli

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      I still think with Max in the rooster Frank will be forced to play him based on his overrated respect to the veteran in the team. So its good if Max leaves

  • Dec 14, 201211:06 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Only thing I wanted was …Bring Drummund In for Defense and rebounding… his Presence could have likely changed things….

    Maxiell Monore, Knight whoever… did not boxout Wallace….Drummond in closing seconds if you say” Drummond ” GET THE REBOUND! ..he has a better chance than anyone on out team… Twice Wallace skied and our guys feet were still on the ground….

    Little things like that win games 

    • Dec 14, 201211:11 pm
      by Davo

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      WTF is Maxiell doing on the floor when he can’t grab a board to save himself. Second chance ops killed us in OT. Here the hell was Drummond? 

      • Dec 14, 201211:15 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        its dissapointing

      • Dec 15, 20128:40 am
        by ZekeKhaseli

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        Frank makes his decision based on dreams

    • Dec 14, 201211:25 pm
      by Mike

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      Little things like the Coach using his brain wins games…  it never would have gotten to over time.

      I watched on League pass from CA, the Nets guys did the commentary.    They talked about how special Drummond is OVER AND OVER and I’ll bet all of the Nets players and fans, and I wouldn’t hesitate to say the rest of the NBA is very happy that the Pistons have decided to underplay one of the best rebounders in the NBA.  It is clear given a chance, AD has a golden opportunity to become the best rebounder in the known universe.

      Now, I am fine with AD not playing much this season, I’ll be around next season and they’ll have no choice but to start or at least play AD 30 minutes a game or more.  But, what I really really like about AD not playing too much is this:  AD’s prolonged bench warming is going to expedite Lawrence Frank’s exit.  And that will a very be an entertaining day for me.  Go on Frank, sit AD the entire game.  Bye bye Frank.  

      We all know Frank is not the entire problem with the Pistons, not even close.  But, his exit is a big obviously necessary step in the right direction. 

      • Dec 14, 201211:54 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        “”We all know Frank is not the entire problem with the Pistons, not even close.  But, his exit is a big obviously necessary step in the right direction. “”

        No he is not the entire problem, but he is a HUGE reason we are currently 11 games under .500

         

      • Dec 15, 20128:42 am
        by ZekeKhaseli

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        Amien to Frank leaving Detroit. I haven’t read anything in many forums that support he’s presence in the team. Only the freep and detnews writers who seem to let him have a freeroll. Sick

        • Dec 15, 20123:26 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          No one let’s him off the hook. I’m sure the beat writers see his deficiencies like all of us.

          Their job is to cover the team, not advocate change. And they are right — both Goodwill and Ellis have essentially said that not bringing back Frank to start a third season would essentially mean Dumars admitting another mistake, something that seems really unlikely considering how much he talked up the importance of his newfound hiring process and his belief that they absolutely need coaching stability here. Frank might not be the right guy, but whether fans like it or not, unless some major catastrophe happens (like Gores getting fed up and getting rid of Dumars and Frank both), Frank is going to start next season as coach. The beat writers are absolutely right to point that out.

          Be mad at Frank’s decisions all you want, but that shouldn’t prevent you from ignoring the reality of the situation. 

  • Dec 14, 201211:15 pm
    by jerrific

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    Maxiell: 2 rebounds, 13 pts and 3 for 8 shooting in 38 minutes.
    Drummond: 9 rebounds, 8 points and 4 for 8 shooting in 18 minutes. 
    Just saying. 

  • Dec 14, 201211:25 pm
    by tarsier

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    Drummond can’t get 20 minutes in a double OT game? That’s just sad. He put up Dalembert/Perkins/Okafor/Chandler game numbers in just 18 minutes.

    • Dec 15, 20128:42 am
      by ZekeKhaseli

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      Plus those guys in the second OT have lost their legs. Imagine if fresh Dre entered the game

  • Dec 14, 201211:39 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    My Grades

    Maxiell – was not effective rebounding, was not effective boxing out, he did make 7-8 fts that were needed but overall grade  D +

    Monroe –  Did not take advantage over a Huge size advantage, vs Reggie Evans , and missed some two key ft’s decent stat line though grade C - 

    Prince – Played a very good all around, but defensively Prince continues to be exposed defensively he is not what he use to be C +

    Singler – he has been struggling a bi was 0-3, but he seems to always be in the right spot at the right time even though he took advantage of a loose ball to tie the game up , he was 4-11 shooting , but he did reb well with 8 grade C - 

    Stuckey – Huge in the OT’s, but missed the game winner Grade B -

    Knight – Huge in the 3rd qrt when the Pistons made their run, and he played a nice defensive game again D-Will and nice all around game, but missed a Game Winner Game B+ 

    Drummond – Huge factor in the defensive tempo especially during the 2nd half, probably should have played more, only 18 minutes but once again very productive 8pts 9rebs 3blks and many more altered shots, however some question shot selection Grade B - 

    Charlie V – 1-6 shooting, if he is not scoring he is not effective, but he did hustle grade D -

    Maggette – 0-3 from the field and missed wide open shots, and played poor defense F 

    Frank – I no longer trust Frank as the coach of this team, the only reason I am not giving him the grade of “F” is because he game Knight a chance to win it in ISO, and He also Gave Stuckey a Chance to Win it in ISO…however, This defensive philosophy makes NO SENSE, and  Taking Drummond out of the game when he was our most effective rebounder, and rim protector made no sense. He also refused to Bring Drummond back in the game even if it was just for defensive and rebounding possessions grade E - 

     

  • Dec 14, 201211:57 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Next Step is for Drummond to Dunk in Traffic, he disappointing when he exploded to the basket…but tried to lay iy up with two hands instead of dunking it… I mean he was already there… smh

    Thanks Roy Rodger  

    • Dec 15, 201212:06 am
      by Scott Free

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      Right with you.

    • Dec 15, 201212:06 am
      by Mark

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      yeah, I would like him to dunk everything too, but thats not always realistic. Its good that he has a finesse game to go to, and isn’t just reliant on power dunks. Even Shaq couldn’t dunk everything and used a finesse game when necessary.

      I think the biggest thing with Drummond on offense is he simply just needs more touches and needs to know he is going to get more touches. He gets so few right now that when he does get it he sometimes rushes to get a shot up, probably because he doesn’t expect to touch it again for a long time if  he doesn’t.  Once he starts getting regular touches he will just settle in and realize he’s bigger than everyone and can just take his time and dominate.

      • Dec 15, 201212:11 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        I agree, and depend on the angle …

        But that one play he took a huge step…leaped..but then he double clutched it… he was at the room and tried to lay it up…

        I like that he has a soft touch, and he should get the ball in the post at least 2-4 times a game …

      • Dec 15, 201212:39 am
        by Patrick Hayes

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        I want more minutes for Drummond but not more touches on offense. Do you see what he does with the ball when he catches it? Did you watch that pathetic fadeaway attempt tonight or the handful of other insane things he tries to do when he gets a touch on offense? Have you seen him try to dribble? I only want him touching the ball when it’s an offensive rebound or a catch and finish situation, and honestly, that’s fine. The last thing they should be worried about is getting him touches within a set offense. He’ll get touches because he’s a great offensive rebounder. That’s sufficient at this point. They don’t need him to do anything else.

        • Dec 15, 201212:53 am
          by I HATE FRANK

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          a minimum 2 touches in the post …especially when he establishes death position would not hurt us as a team

          • Dec 15, 201212:54 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            “deep”

        • Dec 15, 20122:59 am
          by Mark

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          Re-read my post. I already explained why I believe the things you are talking about happen. I’m pretty sure its because he  gets overexcited that he finally gets the ball and he rushes it. Thats why I said the more he gets, the less you will see those things happen. 

          In the case of that fadeaway shot you are talking about though, I believe that was the controversial play where CV eventually tipped it in, but was later ruled a shot clock violation. Because when Drummond got the rebound the shot-clock never reset. Thats why he forced up that out of control fadeaway. It looked like he suddenly noticed the shot-clock was down to nothing and natural reaction is to just throw it up there. I don’t think that was the way he normally shoots fadeways, lol. He’s got more offensive skill than ppl realize. When you have the biggest guy on the court who is a great finisher around the basket, they need to utliize that more. If for nothing else but to keep the defense honest. With his size he should be able to get deep post position, reciive an entry pass, and finish inside at least 4 times a game. But the guards need to set him up.

          • Dec 15, 20129:52 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            i agree i was like WHAT HELL! when he first first took that shot, but then I was like OH he had awareness to get that shot up off the glass because of the shot clock…they did rob us on that play… that was the fault of the Net time keepers

          • Dec 15, 20123:29 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            “It looked like he suddenly noticed the shot-clock was down to nothing and natural reaction is to just throw it up there.”

            I would be more inclined to buy that if Drummond hasn’t done almost the same thing on other plays this season. He really needs to learn that unless he has a dunk, he needs to toss the offensive rebound back out and rest, like Wallace always used to. Too often he catches, panics and goes up for a wild shot. Maybe the shot clock was a factor in last night’s, but it certainly wasn’t other times.

            I would say he has offensive ‘skill.’ He has offensive potential. The time for him to develop that potential into skill is the offseason. Right now, he needs to focus on working on what he does well — get offensive rebounds, dunk, run the floor, cut and block shots. Those are extremely valuable things to the Pistons. Tossing it to him in the post is not a valuable use of him. 

  • Dec 15, 201212:00 am
    by Mark

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    Maxiell had 0 defensive rebounds in 38 min in a 2OT game. Yikes

    Tonight I wasn’t mad at Frank during the game though for not subbing him for Drummond, because the starting 5 was getting it done and took them to 2OT. So I understand not wanting to mess with that. Still though the way Drummond was playing I wonder if the game would’ve been over a lot sooner if he was playing instead of Maxiell, as in we win in regulation. 

    Good game though and great exp for Knight/Monroe. Would’ve been nice for Drummond to share in that, but maybe he will get big min tomorrow, with all the min Monroe/Maxiell played tonight.

     

    • Dec 15, 201212:07 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      correction!

      we didn’t take them to to double OT

      They took us to double OT …

       

      • Dec 15, 201212:34 am
        by Mark

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        lol, true

      • Dec 15, 20128:46 am
        by ZekeKhaseli

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        Im mad at Frank for not sitting the giving the old veteran like Maxiell a breather. 2OT. the second one they looked so tired, ‘cept for bk7 and stuck. I’m mad at Frank because he believes in the chemistry of the starters which is a bad chemistry. I don’t see them “getting it done” we are 7-18 with our starters chemistry. time for a change 

  • Dec 15, 201212:03 am
    by tommy t

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    i want to punch Larry

    • Dec 15, 20128:47 am
      by ZekeKhaseli

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      Ditto. Makes me sick. He creates the mess with his deluded mind

  • Dec 15, 201212:10 am
    by Scott Free

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    My first reaction was to get angry.  But after some thought, it was at least an entertaining game where the Pistons for a long time, competed with one of the more intriguing teams in the league

  • Dec 15, 201212:19 am
    by Delray313

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    Man if stuckey can play like this every night he would be an allstar, Knight is going to be an allstar. im not sold on singler as a full time starter i dont see it he is just a role player in my humble opinion. moose has to quit crying so much and just get mad and dominate. no comment on maggette he looks 14 years old in nba years really.

  • Dec 15, 201212:26 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Singler missed shots that he can make…he is a startering qualiy player…he is just not a starting SG

    • Dec 15, 201210:42 am
      by Jodi Jezz

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      Lol, lol!..Hell no, Singler is no where near a starting caliber player…

      • Dec 15, 201212:03 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

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        i can list several players that start right now, who singler is better or equal to

        • Dec 15, 201210:48 pm
          by Jodi Jezz

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          Please make me list, and these “starting caliber” players better be good bro…

  • Dec 15, 201212:36 am
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Maxiell could’ve matched Drummond’s total on the boards if the game went to 24.2 overtimes tonight.

    • Dec 15, 201212:47 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      lol…its sad…but everytime i warm up to the idea of maxiell he has a game like this…an reminds me why he is who he is 

    • Dec 15, 20123:00 am
      by Mark

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      LMAO

  • Dec 15, 201212:38 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    do we entertain thoughts of trading Monroe?

  • Dec 15, 20121:13 am
    by AtotheK

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    Only if it’s for Kevin Love

  • Dec 15, 20121:23 am
    by piston moribund

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    http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/183273761.html?refer=y
    Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you, tomorrow, youre only a day away….
    Ahhhhh, if only in my dreams…….keep hope alive………
     

  • Dec 15, 20121:39 am
    by AtotheK

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    Don’t wanna give up on Moose by any means, just heard K Love’s not happy. Maybe we could swindle Kahn into something that turns out to be big steal.

    • Dec 15, 201210:49 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bw98l5d 

      Kevin Love, Derrick Williams, Chase Budinger

      for

      Monroe, Maxiell and Maggette….

      Pros/Cons for Detroit:

      Pros: We get a Premier PF Superstar in todays NBA, he can score and rebound, he makes the offense just easier. It also moves Drummond into the starting line up, also of a sudden we have a dominate front court, we add athleticism in Derrick Williams and Chase…. we get younger and more talented.

      Cons : Kevin Love is not having his best year offensively, he has been injury prone and if we dont win soon enough he can become dry baby prone, he has a huge Salary for the next 5 years. He does not play in the Post, and it seems like he does not desire to be in the post. Derrick Williams have been disappointing, and we’s have him on the book for the next 4 years, so if forever reason this trade doesnt workout. We’d be back in Salary bondage.

      Why Minny Does it? Greg Monroe is a Promises PF, although struggling right now, but he is only 22 years old, he had the ability to right away to be a 16-17ppg 9-10reb guy, he alone wont make Minny forget about Kevin Love, but with Maggette, Maxiell and (potentially Austin Daye ).. they would have 17 million dollars to play around with next season.

      Why Minny Would not do it? Although Kevin Love is Not an ELITE SUPERSTAR, but he is a Superstar… they dont come around often. They could have 17 million dollars, but if they can’t sign a star its useless, and Monroe ceiling probably will never reach what Kevin Love was or currently is

  • Dec 15, 20123:49 am
    by Herman Neutic

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    I’ll say it up front, I like Frank.

    I know you guys hate him for it, but Frank is most likely going to continue to bring Drummond along slowly. This will not get him fired, because everybody knows it won’t do the Pistons much good if they just barely make the playoffs this year. In fact, it might hurt them. So other than making you fellas angry, Frank has the luxury of developing the team in a way that builds confidence, individual skills, teamwork, character, and unity–in other words, S_L_O_W_L_Y. Yes, he could play Drummond more, and he could have brought him in for Maxiell tonight in OT, and it might have won the game for the Pistons. That’s obvious to everyone including Lawrence Frank. It’s not that Frank–and Joe D–can’t see that. it’s just that they have made a different choice. You don’t agree with that choice and want to win now, which is perfectly understandable from a fan’s perspective, but that doesn’t mean Frank and Joe D, don’t see what you guys see, of course they do. It’s just different priorities.

    It was a great game tonight against a good team that really wanted to win. Detroit held their own against a red hot shooter in Joe Johnson and ferocious game from Gerald Wallace.  
    It’s only fair to give the coach his due. A “D+” is not fair.

    Finally, I think it should be pointed out that in a short span of possessions Tayshaun Prince made a number of bad plays and took some bad shots–starting with his failure to get the ball in bounds after a Net’s basket–that broke Detroit’s momentum and led to the second period run by the Nets. Detroit recovered much to their credit.

     

    • Dec 15, 20126:48 am
      by DG

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      The one thing that keeps coaches and GMs employed and fans going to the games is wins.  Hopefully we start seeing some of those too.  It’s encouraging to see the Pistons being more competitive.  Now they just need to learn how to win.  That includes the coach and GM, too.

    • Dec 15, 20128:50 am
      by ZekeKhaseli

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      Very powerful message. Fire Frank

    • Dec 15, 201211:03 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      @Herman if it was just about Drummond not play enough, thats one thing. Ok we are a microwave Culture we want it right now… Drummond being a “PROJECT” never sat well with me…I think the term “Project” is a built in excuse… but anyway…. That not why I Hate Frank..

      First off it fels like he is trying to be the 2nd coming over Larry Brown or Doc Rivers… He is not the motivator they were, he just does not have a feel for todays NBA game. In Jersey He had Jason Kidd, Kidd led that team NOT Frank. Since Then what has Frank does? he is a career intern.

      I dont trust his defensive strategy, He is trying to mimic what Boston did during their title run, but we do NOT have a KG on the floor as a defensive anchor, not just protecting the rim but talking, or getting in guys faces, or patting them on the head…The Pistons run around the floor chasing the ball, doubling guys LIKE REGGIE EVANS! TWICE THEY DID IT LAST NITE!!! leaving shooter open…. He makes poor decisions, and he does not rotate the right players in at the right time, and he takes the right players out at the wrong time.

      we are 7-18 ….Last year I think we were 5-20 …we are not a better team… i dont blame him for the lack of talent we have, but for not taking advantage of the talent we have.

  • Dec 15, 20126:33 am
    by Raphael

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    Why is Corey Magette playing?  He won’t be on the team next season, so why waste valuable playing time on his brief tour through Detroit? I’m sure you can get more production from Jonas at thatposition?  
    How many losses will Frank fired?   

    • Dec 15, 20128:34 am
      by ZekeKhaseli

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      5 more L in the rows and he’ll get booted for sure

  • Dec 15, 20128:33 am
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    Frank should get an F based on his fear of not playing the useless veteran Maggette

  • Dec 15, 20128:53 am
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    I care about this team like most of you are. I believe deep in my heart that this team will not be the team Joe D and Gores envision with coach Frank. He has this mental fear of the veterans. He kept the rookies on the short leash as an excuse to bow down to the vets. Case in point: Jerebko and AD. Singler is a starter because RODNEY wants to come of the bench. It deletes the burden of not playing the rookies

  • Dec 15, 201210:42 am
    by bugsygod

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    Drummond was a beast on the boards and gets 18minutes – DuMb.  Monroe needs to take his time and go strong and finish.  Quit worrying about foul calls.  Stuckey is in a good role, but should i see a trade for him at the deadline.  Maxiel is a BENCH player!  Knight is playing extremely well, despite the nitpicking here.  Glad we did not give up on him!  Maggette needs to stop playing, career looks done.  Daye should rotate in sometimes when CV is not making shots….Quick hook please.  Would like to see singler in more end of game situations, he seems mentally tough from all the high level duke games. 
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    BUT… Isnt this what everyone wanted??  For the Pistons to play hard be close to teams and then lose so they can get a high draft pick, right?  This was the type of basketball everyone has been screaming for, close but lose!  So now your getting it and now your upset and dont like it?  I JUST WANT TO WIN EVERY GAME AND TRY FOR THE PLAYOFFS!  NO TANKING! 

  • Dec 15, 201211:10 am
    by Herman Neutic

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    Yes, Bugs, you are correct, except for you and a handful of others, playing hard and losing close games is what everybody wants, including Joe D and Coach Franks. And it looks like the team gets it as well and has bought into the learning and growth grove, too. But also, just like you say, some people, now that the Pistons are playing better and losing, are still upset. They want the high draft choice and they want to win games. That’s fandom. But watch, this time next year, everybody will be either singing Frank’s praises or else be totally silent.

    P.S. Franks isn’t afraid of the vets, and he doesn’t have to start Singler, even if he Stuckey continues to come off the bench.

    • Dec 15, 201212:11 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

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      “”P.S. Franks isn’t afraid of the vets, and he doesn’t have to start Singler, even if he Stuckey continues to come off the bench.”"

      It wasnt a coaches decision…Stuckey put himself on the bench ….A good coach would have made that decision. He keeps talking about the integrity of the locker room. Drummond Defense and Rebounding warrants him starting minutes , you can not say you want to be a defense first team with you best hopes for being that kind of team setting on the bench.

      Drummond has outplayed, Maxiell in most night 

      • Dec 15, 201212:40 pm
        by jacob

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        Tade Maxiell and Daye for williams and barea/ridnour.

  • Dec 15, 201212:42 pm
    by Corey

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    The sad part is that the Maxiel vs Drummond debate is just a distraction.. Play Monroe 36 minutes per night. Play Maxiel 30 minutes. There’s STILL 30 min for Drummond. They’re playing CV instead of Andre. And that’s sad.

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