Comments on: Pistons forget there’s a second half in loss to Mavs http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/ Your Go-To Source For Pistons Coverage Sat, 18 May 2013 16:34:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Piston Truth http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100148 Piston Truth Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:49:08 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100148 Hell I would've at least gave Max an C+ for effort seem like he was the only one doing something. Hell I would’ve at least gave Max an C+ for effort seem like he was the only one doing something.

]]> By: jordan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100127 jordan Sun, 02 Dec 2012 21:18:30 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100127 Trade or sign a superstar? Why didn't we think of this before??????? Trade or sign a superstar? Why didn’t we think of this before???????

]]> By: D_S_V http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100095 D_S_V Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:07:15 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100095 Correct me if I'm wrong Mark, but I think you're saying that the problem isn't leaving Monroe in while struggling, it's the swiftness with which Drummond is taken out that is the issue. As much as David Thorpe annoys me, his view that a player's success is hinged almost equally on the environment as it is the attributes of the player is one that I agree with. If Drummond is playing with a "scared to make a mistake and be pulled mentality", that is no good for this team. I agree that this roster is incredibly far away from being a contender, but there is enough talent to consistently beat the bottom third of the league and we've shown it's possible already this season. My issue is that beating the bottom third of the league does nothing for the team if you're doing it with players who won't be part of the future... Unless Joe D is planning on pulling a trade trigger here on Tayshaun/Max/Maggettte, but recent history shows that I shouldn't get my hopes up.  Correct me if I’m wrong Mark, but I think you’re saying that the problem isn’t leaving Monroe in while struggling, it’s the swiftness with which Drummond is taken out that is the issue. As much as David Thorpe annoys me, his view that a player’s success is hinged almost equally on the environment as it is the attributes of the player is one that I agree with. If Drummond is playing with a “scared to make a mistake and be pulled mentality”, that is no good for this team. I agree that this roster is incredibly far away from being a contender, but there is enough talent to consistently beat the bottom third of the league and we’ve shown it’s possible already this season. My issue is that beating the bottom third of the league does nothing for the team if you’re doing it with players who won’t be part of the future… Unless Joe D is planning on pulling a trade trigger here on Tayshaun/Max/Maggettte, but recent history shows that I shouldn’t get my hopes up. 

]]> By: tarsier http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100088 tarsier Sun, 02 Dec 2012 18:21:19 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100088 Home teams do tend to get a few more foul calls than away teams. But they also tend to perform slightly better in just about every other way. I honestly have never completely understood why this is. Is it really that easy for a crowd to get in professional athletes' heads. Does travelling make performing top notch that much harder? Whatever so, until the foul call discrepancy is greater than the shooting percentage discrepancy or the rebounding discrepancy or whatever else, I'm not going to blame the zebras for it. As for star calls, yes, they happen. But they are seriously overstated. Everyone gets calls they shouldn't and have calls they should get missed. Stars shoot more so they get more of both. And we more often choose to remember the former (kinda like how we remember made game winners more than missed game winners--except if it's LBJ for some reason). I seriously doubt Stern instructs refs to protect stars with their whistles. But at least for that, unlike "home team calls", there would be some incentive. Stars drive ratings, you don't want them injured. Home teams do tend to get a few more foul calls than away teams. But they also tend to perform slightly better in just about every other way. I honestly have never completely understood why this is. Is it really that easy for a crowd to get in professional athletes’ heads. Does travelling make performing top notch that much harder? Whatever so, until the foul call discrepancy is greater than the shooting percentage discrepancy or the rebounding discrepancy or whatever else, I’m not going to blame the zebras for it.

As for star calls, yes, they happen. But they are seriously overstated. Everyone gets calls they shouldn’t and have calls they should get missed. Stars shoot more so they get more of both. And we more often choose to remember the former (kinda like how we remember made game winners more than missed game winners–except if it’s LBJ for some reason). I seriously doubt Stern instructs refs to protect stars with their whistles. But at least for that, unlike “home team calls”, there would be some incentive. Stars drive ratings, you don’t want them injured.

]]> By: Raphael http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100071 Raphael Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:10:41 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100071 The third quarter was the worst stint of coaching i can remember. Frank had plenty of chances to make an adjustment, but he didn't do a thing.  That is inexcusable!  We can debate who should have got more time and who shouldn't have, but it's a fact that Frank sits their and watches in the midst of losing the game without any form of contingency plan. That was the most frustrating thing for me last night. He didn't even try another player combination. He just watched his team crash and burn.  The third quarter was the worst stint of coaching i can remember. Frank had plenty of chances to make an adjustment, but he didn’t do a thing.  That is inexcusable!  We can debate who should have got more time and who shouldn’t have, but it’s a fact that Frank sits their and watches in the midst of losing the game without any form of contingency plan. That was the most frustrating thing for me last night. He didn’t even try another player combination. He just watched his team crash and burn. 

]]> By: Kobina http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100068 Kobina Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:04:04 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100068 What's everyone so mad about?  Don't you guys want to see Shabazz Muhammad or Alex Poythress in a Pistons jersey next season? What’s everyone so mad about?  Don’t you guys want to see Shabazz Muhammad or Alex Poythress in a Pistons jersey next season?

]]> By: Juan http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100060 Juan Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:21:58 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100060 "We need to be able to collect ourselves and find ways to impact the game -- everyone -- when the tide starts to turn," Frank said. "You knew they were going to turn it up, right? And yet, we had great catches, great shots, and we didn't make them. Well, all right, gotta grind. Gotta grind Why not bring energy guy like Kim Or Jonas to try to change the tide or try a defenze zone to slow down the Mayo or Carter. If he make adjusment and dosent work ok but he did that is our frustracion part.  hes been outcoached to often. “We need to be able to collect ourselves and find ways to impact the game — everyone — when the tide starts to turn,” Frank said. “You knew they were going to turn it up, right? And yet, we had great catches, great shots, and we didn’t make them. Well, all right, gotta grind. Gotta grind

Why not bring energy guy like Kim Or Jonas to try to change the tide or try a defenze zone to slow down the Mayo or Carter. If he make adjusment and dosent work ok but he did that is our frustracion part.  hes been outcoached to often.

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100045 Patrick Hayes Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:27:17 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100045 <p>"When Mavs players played bad, Carlisle replaced them." Mayo was awful in the first half. And Carlisle, in fact, did NOT replace him. You know why? Because he's been the Mavs' best player this season with Dirk out. So Carlisle did the exact thing -- let his best player play through struggles -- that you criticized Frank for trying to do with Monroe. And holy hell, will people stop saying Drummond made one mistake? He made multiple defensive mistakes in the second half in his brief minutes that any unbiased eye watching could see. I didn't want him to get benched either, but be honest about it. He had three awful defensive possessions in a row. </p> “When Mavs players played bad, Carlisle replaced them.”

Mayo was awful in the first half. And Carlisle, in fact, did NOT replace him. You know why? Because he’s been the Mavs’ best player this season with Dirk out. So Carlisle did the exact thing — let his best player play through struggles — that you criticized Frank for trying to do with Monroe.

And holy hell, will people stop saying Drummond made one mistake? He made multiple defensive mistakes in the second half in his brief minutes that any unbiased eye watching could see. I didn’t want him to get benched either, but be honest about it. He had three awful defensive possessions in a row. 

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100044 Patrick Hayes Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:24:57 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100044 <p>This is the bullshit I hate about sports fans in general. Someone can't just be a bad coach. You fill your rant with 'lil boy' insults like you're ALL MAN BABY and because Frank is short or red-haired or uses big words when he talks or whatever, he's just a little NERD BOY who has no business in sports. Then you throw in the misogynistic shit just for kicks. Sports are great, but loudmouth ignorant ass fans are the worst. If your intention is to look like a meatheaded idiot, then you succeeded. If your intention was to prove any other point, I certainly didn't get it.</p> This is the bullshit I hate about sports fans in general. Someone can’t just be a bad coach. You fill your rant with ‘lil boy’ insults like you’re ALL MAN BABY and because Frank is short or red-haired or uses big words when he talks or whatever, he’s just a little NERD BOY who has no business in sports.

Then you throw in the misogynistic shit just for kicks. Sports are great, but loudmouth ignorant ass fans are the worst. If your intention is to look like a meatheaded idiot, then you succeeded. If your intention was to prove any other point, I certainly didn’t get it.

]]> By: Mark http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/12/pistons-forget-theres-a-second-half-in-loss-to-mavs/comment-page-1/#comment-100023 Mark Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:15:26 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11944#comment-100023 Exactly. When Mavs players played bad, Carlisle replaced them. And when he found the guys that were playing good he left them in the game. Its not rocket science.  When our players play bad they get left in the game longer, and when we have guys playing good Frank takes them out. Its ass backwards. The only exception is Drummond. When he makes 1 mistake he gets benched the rest of the game.  Exactly. When Mavs players played bad, Carlisle replaced them. And when he found the guys that were playing good he left them in the game. Its not rocket science. 

When our players play bad they get left in the game longer, and when we have guys playing good Frank takes them out. Its ass backwards. The only exception is Drummond. When he makes 1 mistake he gets benched the rest of the game. 

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