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Pistons forget there’s a second half in loss to Mavs

The Pistons started the game well against Dallas Saturday and led by 11 points with three minutes to go in the first half. From that point on, Dallas got more aggressive defensively, the Pistons stopped contesting perimeter shots and started forcing things on offense as the Mavs out-scored them by 26 points the rest of the way.

An awful third quarter did the Pistons in. Detroit turned it over just twice in the first half, but had 13 in the second half. The Pistons scored 11 third quarter points, allowed O.J. Mayo — a 51 percent 3-point shooter! — to get any open look he wanted and could not make shots close to the rim (they missed 29 shots within two feet of the basket). Oh, and they couldn’t really make jumpers either.

The second half was as ugly to watch as any half the Pistons have played this season. They combined both poor decision-making with little effort, and the results of that combination were predictable.

Detroit Pistons 77 FinalRecap | Box Score 92 Dallas Mavericks
Jason Maxiell, PF 37 MIN | 4-11 FG | 2-2 FT | 12 REB | 0 AST | 10 PTS | -6I mean, he was the only big on the roster who could stay in front of Elton Brand, so I guess that’s something, right?
Tayshaun Prince, SF 37 MIN | 5-14 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 1 AST | 12 PTS | -10Vince Carter made 4-for-6 3-pointers without much resistance from Prince.
Kyle Singler, SF 33 MIN | 3-6 FG | 5-6 FT | 4 REB | 1 AST | 12 PTS | -21Repeat the above, substitute ‘O.J. Mayo’ and ’6-for-9.’ Singler actually did an OK job on Mayo in the first half, holding him to 1-for-5 shooting. That all unraveled in about three minutes in the third, when he lost Mayo twice for transition threes and Mayo beat the entire defense back for a layup after a made Pistons shot.
Greg Monroe, C 32 MIN | 4-17 FG | 0-1 FT | 15 REB | 2 AST | 8 PTS | -17Monroe looked uncomfortable all night on offense. He couldn’t get good position on Chris Kaman, he forced things, he got frustrated looking for calls, he couldn’t finish at the rim and he had his shot blocked five times. His worst game in a long time.
Brandon Knight, PG 35 MIN | 6-14 FG | 6-7 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 20 PTS | -10Knight had an excellent first half. He was active defensively with three steals. He was also out of control, starting in the third quarter. One series in particular stands out — Knight had the ball stolen by Derek Fisher because he was carless with his handle. Knight hustled back and re-stole the ball from Fisher. That’s good. Then he wildly tried to split a double-team and had the ball easily stolen right back. That’s bad. He had a big first half which gave the Pistons a lead, but he couldn’t sustain it in the second half. His legs looked tired and, as a result, his jumper got flat — he missed a couple of open looks badly.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 15 MIN | 0-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 0 PTS | -8Regressing to the mean.
Corey Maggette, SF 11 MIN | 2-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 4 PTS | -5Maggette made no impact in his 11 minutes.
Andre Drummond, C 12 MIN | 1-1 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 2 PTS | +1Drummond should’ve played significantly more tonight with the Pistons starters obviously tired. Still, when he did play, he continued to make the types of defensive mistakes that cost him a larger role. When Elton Brand got rolling in the second half, it was partially at the expense of Drummond, who had some bad defensive possessions against him.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 28 MIN | 4-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 5 REB | 6 AST | 9 PTS | +1For the second straight game, Stuckey didn’t get to the free throw line. He also continues to take a ridiculous number of 3-pointers. His only make tonight was a prayer with the shot clock running down. There is ample evidence to suggest that Stuckey should never, ever shoot 3-pointers at this point. He’s still Detroit’s best point guard, though.
Lawrence Frank, Coach My biggest issue with Frank tonight was simply the fact that after a tough game last night against a physical Memphis team, all of his starters still played over 30 minutes tonight. If you’re ever going to use your bench, tonight is the night to do it.But this loss isn’t on Frank. The Pistons missed a ridiculous number of shots at the rim and the defense was awful in the second half. Short of benching everyone, there wasn’t a whole lot Frank could do. And considering that the bench options who played didn’t play great either, that wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the game.

63 Comments

  • Dec 1, 201211:36 pm
    by Dags

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    Time for L for Loss Frank to go. Trade or sign a superstar this offseason or Dumars has to go.

    • Dec 2, 201212:28 am
      by Mark

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      And F for Frank! 

      lol 

    • Dec 2, 20124:18 pm
      by jordan

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      Trade or sign a superstar? Why didn’t we think of this before???????

  • Dec 1, 201211:36 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    please no grades for the players tonight but just evaluate the coaching decisions from qrt to qrt…

    how do you not ride Knight hot hand? how do you not tell Knight to attack fisher? Monroe was struggling but u keep going to him play after play 

    • Dec 1, 201211:40 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Lawrence Frank can’t put a hand in OJ Mayo’s or Vince Carter’s faces. I’m sure he would’ve if that was allowed. His players certainly didn’t do that.

    • Dec 1, 201211:41 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Also, Knight was 0-for-4 in the third quarter and 0-for-2 in the fourth. They didn’t stop going to him. He just started missing.

      • Dec 2, 201212:01 am
        by Andre

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        BK was hurt in the second half.  It was obvious to me because his shots wasn’t close after he  got hurt.  Let’s be fair!

      • Dec 2, 201212:02 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        Im not going to defend Knight for missing…but he should have been allowed to go at Fisher or Collinson or who ever EARLY!…. got his first shot attempt in the 2nd half  at the 9 minute mark… didnt take his 2nd shot attempt until the 4 minute mark… he was the only player causing problems….

        Why did he keep going to Monroe when Monroe was clearly struggling…

        You probably feel like everyone is blaming the coach and not the players… but alot of times it is coaching…

        Drummond feel for Brands pump fake (or head fake) gave up the lay-up…First thing Drummond does is look to the bench…thats not helpful…

        Rather them send Drummond to the d-league, and i’ll follow whatever team he gets sent to. 

         

        • Dec 2, 201212:12 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “Im not going to defend Knight for missing…but he should have been allowed to go at Fisher or Collinson or who ever EARLY!”

          He had the ball in his hands plenty. As the point guard, he does have control over how much he shoots or doesn’t shoot. Two things happened — Dallas got way more physical defensively in the second half and Knight got way less aggressive. Could’ve been a result of being tired, could’ve been because he fell weird a couple of times and maybe was hurt.

          “Why did he keep going to Monroe when Monroe was clearly struggling”

          Because Monroe is the best player on the team and you don’t break out a quick hook for your best player like he’s Austin Daye or something.

          “You probably feel like everyone is blaming the coach and not the players… but alot of times it is coaching”

          Frank hasn’t done a good job this season. I’ve written that many times. What I find beyond annoying is that people treat it like Frank is the sole thing wrong with this team. Like, hire a better coach and this bad roster is miraculously going to be a competent team. They lack talent. They have young players at two key positions who still have a ways to go to actually understand how to play those positions. They have veterans who don’t always play particularly hard and who haven’t played hard for previous coaches either.

          The bottom line is the Pistons absolutely did not lose this game because of Frank. They lost it because their players were not as good as the Dallas players.

          “Drummond feel for Brands pump fake (or head fake) gave up the lay-up…First thing Drummond does is look to the bench…thats not helpful…”

          Drummond should’ve played more. I agree with you. But the defensive mistakes he makes are bad ones. They’re easy to ignore as fans who obviously just want to see him play. They’re harder to ignore for a coach that wants to correct them. 

          • Dec 2, 201212:27 am
            by Andre

            Fans aren’t blind or stupid.  Just because we like a player/certain players doesn’t mean we don’t know basketball.  The Pistons lack talent no doubt, but what good is the talent if the coach doesn’t play them.  This is just one game out of many where the coach refuse to put the players in the best position to win with certain match ups.

            Certain coaches can take mediocre talent and make them look good and some coaches can not.  Coach Frank talk a good game but the results show something different.

          • Dec 2, 201212:33 am
            by I HATE FRANK

            too tired to go back n forth… Knight was running set plays to get Monroe going(thats coaching)… he should have been told to go after Fisher…

            that lil boy coach we have has a love affair with maxiell that even other teams play by play guys question why not bring him off the bench……..Down 7 points, I’d feel more comfortable with Maxiell coming off the bench, than Drummond coming off the bench…

            If we are a young team…why are players like Prince, Maxiell and Maggette still dominating out minutes?

            TERRIBLE COACHING!!ADJUSTING!!!! AND GAME MANAGEMENT 

             

  • Dec 1, 201211:36 pm
    by Mark

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    OJ Mayo outscored the entire Pistons starting lineup by himself in the 3rd qtr. 

    Where;’s the freaking adjustments, Frank!!!!!???

    He waited until the qtr was over to bring in the bench guys, like it was against the rules to do it sooner. Man, this coach is so frustrating to watch. 

    • Dec 1, 201211:43 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      He benched Singler in the third after Mayo beat everyone down for a layup. Then Stuckey came in and Mayo hit two open shots.

      He adjusted. It just didn’t work. Would’ve been a good opportunity for him to go deeper into his bench, though. 

      • Dec 2, 201212:08 am
        by Mark

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        Obviously more adjustments were necessary than just 1 substitution. If thats Franks motto – try 1 thing and if it doesn;t work call it night, then he should be relieved of his duties right now.

        Drummond had played great interior defense in the 1st half. Maybe try going with him inside, to allow the guards more freedom to stay home on the 3 pt shooters. Instead they have Monroe inside who can’t guard anyone and so our guards are constantly having to leave their man to help him.

        If that didn’t work, maybe try switching Tay onto Mayo, who is always a legit option to guard a hot SG. You gotta try more than 1 substitution, and for the record he didn’t sub Stuckey in until 4 min left in the qtr, if I’m not mistaken

        And not just defensively, they struggled offensively as well, and not one attempt to maybe get someone else in there who could make a shot until it was too late. 

        Terrible in-game coach this is.

         

        • Dec 2, 201212:14 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Drummond played in the second half and promptly had three bad defensive possessions where he was out of position. So what makes you think he would’ve made a major difference defensively?

          As for offense, they missed 29 shots within two feet of the basket. Most of those were good shots. If they made a third of those, this would’ve been a competitive game. 

          • Dec 2, 20126:47 am
            by Mark

            My point is Frank didn’t know Drummond was going to make those mistakes. All he knew was what Drummond did in the 1st half, which was play like a beast inside on defense and helped build an 8 pt lead. So knowing Drummond was playing good up to that point, and knowing Monroe was struggling, Frank still deciding to stay with Monroe was poor judgement on his part. Thats all I’m saying.

          • Dec 2, 20126:54 am
            by Mark

            And while Drummond has been struggling lately finishing inside, for the majority of the season he’s been arguably the best finisher around the basket on the whole team. So Frank seeing we were struggling finishing at the basket, and not even thinking to try Drummond who is generally an excellent finisher, was also poor judgement by Frank.

            Its like he’s not familiar yet with his players strengths/weaknesses, which is inexcusable 26 games into the season (incl ps). Like his comment about Monroe needing to do other things when his shots aren’t going. He should know that Monroe is an offense only player right now. If Monroe’s not producing on offense, he’s pretty much useless, aside from defensive rebounding and the occasional steals. But if Frank was expecting him to morph into a lock down defender like a KG would when his shot isn’t going, then Frank just doesn’t know his players strengths/weaknesses.

      • Dec 2, 20126:10 am
        by Vic

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        Kim English, the defense first shooting guard, anyone? Everybody loves Kim except Frank. Give him a chance to do what he’s on the team specifically for.

  • Dec 1, 201211:40 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    I hate that Drummond makes one mistake and you pull him and go right back to a struggling Monroe…

    Thats not how you develop your future 

    • Dec 1, 201211:43 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      He had three straight bad defensive possessions against Brand.

      • Dec 1, 201211:49 pm
        by Mark

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        But EVERY Monroe posession was bad, on both ends, from beginning to the end.

        Did you happen to see how many bad possessions Monroe had against Kaman?

        Its a joke that Drummond gets benched for a few errors, and Monroe can stink up the gym all night with no repercussions by Frank. 

        Not just for their development, but for the sake of trying to win the game. Monroe was awful tonight and should not have been out there. Drummond may have had a less than stellar game himself, but in that case as a coach you have to go with the lesser of the 2 problems and bench Monroe.

        • Dec 1, 201211:53 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          You don’t think there’s a different standard for benching a proven player like Monroe and an unproven rookie like Drummond? Monroe was nearly an All-Star last season and he’s maintained that level of play this season. What team out there do you know that will yank a player with that pedigree and just bench him for a bad game? It doesn’t happen. Your expectations are unrealistic. Monroe is proven enough to where he’s going to play 30+ minutes even if he’s having a bad game. 

          • Dec 2, 201212:28 am
            by Mark

            So what if he’s the best player, that doesn’t mean if he’s having an off night you have to force feed him 17 shots anyways. If a player doesn’t have it going, you go to someone else for the teams sake of trying to win. Its not an individual sport. And Monroe didn’t even have to get benched. Frank could’ve left Monroe out there, but told him to be a playmaker for teammates instead of shooting everything himself. 

            Frank also could’ve tried Monroe/Drummond together. Maybe the poor frontcourt play tonight had something to do with neither Monroe or Drummond fitting well next to Maxiell.

            And Monroe may be the best player, but he’s only 22 and still has plenty of room for learning moments, where he can get benched for playing bad and maybe learn something from it. But bottom line  was Kaman/Brand were just bad matchups for him tonight, and as a coach you have to recognize which matchups are causing you trouble and make adjustments to try and get the win.

          • Dec 2, 20121:11 am
            by tarsier

            “having it going” is meaningless

            there have been studies on this. having made or missed lots of your previous shots has no bearing on the odds of hitting or missing the next shot. 

          • Dec 2, 20127:06 am
            by Mark

            huh? You can use stats all you want, which I dont discredit, but I can usually tell just by watching if a player is forcing things or not. Its not just them taking shots and missing, its how they are approaching taking those shots. And if you sense a level of frustration in the player and see them uncharacteristically forcing things, then you can tell if they are “on or off”. 

            If a player is normally calm and composed when they have success, and you see them frustrated and forcing things, its a good indicator that they probably aren’t going have success that night no matter how many shots they take, because they aren’t playing their game. Thats what I saw from Monroe and Frank needs to have a better feel for his players like that, and should’ve saw it too and made a change. Not to mention he had good reason to sit Monroe in the 2nd half, being the 2nd night of a B2B. It was almost like Frank was afraid he’d get fined for resting him after the Spurs incident.

          • Dec 2, 20122:07 pm
            by D_S_V

            Correct me if I’m wrong Mark, but I think you’re saying that the problem isn’t leaving Monroe in while struggling, it’s the swiftness with which Drummond is taken out that is the issue. As much as David Thorpe annoys me, his view that a player’s success is hinged almost equally on the environment as it is the attributes of the player is one that I agree with. If Drummond is playing with a “scared to make a mistake and be pulled mentality”, that is no good for this team. I agree that this roster is incredibly far away from being a contender, but there is enough talent to consistently beat the bottom third of the league and we’ve shown it’s possible already this season. My issue is that beating the bottom third of the league does nothing for the team if you’re doing it with players who won’t be part of the future… Unless Joe D is planning on pulling a trade trigger here on Tayshaun/Max/Maggettte, but recent history shows that I shouldn’t get my hopes up. 

        • Dec 1, 201211:56 pm
          by Tim

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          Yeah, I agree that was fairly dumb.  He shouldve put maxiell back in.  Monroe hadnt done any better all night.  But he had to pull drummond.  Dude got murdered three times in a row and that last one was incredibly bad.  So out of position he got driven around by an old ass brand and couldnt even recover enough to be within 5 feet of the finish. 

          This was a brutal brutal second half after a very promising start.  Maggette needs to yeild some minutes to someone else, I dont even care if its will bynum.  Try JJ again.  God damn this team is terrible and, while I agree that frank cant make them execute, its pretty clear that the coach is done.   

      • Dec 1, 201211:54 pm
        by michaelf

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        Monroe had at least 25 bad defensive and offensive possessions and almost NO good ones.  4 for 17with 5 blocked shots so you think he should get the minutes?

        • Dec 2, 201212:06 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Monroe is the best player on the team. Yes, he’s earned a basic level of leeway to have an occasional bad game without worrying about getting pulled. If he were in a slump or something, that would be different. But good players tend to have bad games once in a while. You still play them.

      • Dec 2, 201212:13 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        Why do people assume that its okay to bring Drummond into the game, when the opponet is on a offensive run? as tho he doesnt need to adjust to the speed of the game?

        Mavs are on a Billion to zero run..Mayo and Carter are draining threes, The energy and confidence for the mavs are high, they are running and making everything and you bring in your rookie big… to STOP the momentum???? and when he does not..you pull him after a full 3-4 minutes…Why not call a timeout, to calm him down, make it a teachable moment and send him back out there

        Cmon!!! I CALL BullSH!T 

        • Dec 2, 201212:16 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Hahaha. I love this post because I know damn well if Frank had not brought Drummond in at that point in the game, you would’ve posted, “What kind of idiot wouldn’t have brought his best defensive big into the game to try and stop that Dallas run?”

          • Dec 2, 201212:48 am
            by FREE DRE & BK

            My point is DO NOT PULL HIM!!!!

            okay, when you pulled Drummond, they went on an even bigger run with Monroe and Maxiel in the game…

            It hurts Drummond more than hurts him…

            When Drummond look at the bench, and then is pulled 20 seconds later… thats not healthy…if means Drummond doesnt feel like he can play through mistakes…

            I said it before I could do a better job at coaching that team…  

          • Dec 2, 201212:49 am
            by FREE DRE & BK

            meant “it hurts Drummond more than helps him”

        • Dec 2, 20121:13 am
          by tarsier

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          “momentum” rivals “clutch” as the most overused bullshit term in sports

          either one is simply trying to apply a narrative to an occurrence after the fact

          neither has any predictive capacity 

  • Dec 1, 201211:44 pm
    by Mark

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    Its not often a lottery team goes on the road against a WC playoff team, and the home team only gets 8 FTs like DAL did tonight. If I told you that before the game you’d think it was a Pistons win, but instead they somehow manage to get blown out by 20.

     

    • Dec 1, 201211:54 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Dallas is a jump-shooting team. They don’t get to the line all that much, especially with Dirk out.

      • Dec 2, 201212:16 am
        by Mark

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        We avg 24 FTA’s/gm and are 8th in the league. DAL avg 1 less at 23/gm.

        8 FTAs in a game is extremely low even for jump shooting teams. The Pistons had to take advantage of that and didn’t. The refs were basically gifting us the game and DAL still won by 20. Thats pathetic

        • Dec 2, 201212:21 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          My point is just that it’s not that hard to defend Dallas without fouling. Their two best guys at getting to the line are Collison and Mayo. Collison was hurt and not super aggressive tonight and Mayo had no reason to attack the basket since they were giving him open looks from the perimeter all game.

          Them holding Dallas to a low number of FT attempts is irrelevant. They hit 43 percent of their 3-pointers. What incentive did Dallas even have to try and attack the basket considering how much space their shooters were being given? 

          • Dec 2, 201212:34 am
            by Mark

            I wasn’t saying we did anything to keep them from the FT line. Rather we were fortunate that the refs decided to not give them a bunch of FTs like usually happens on the road. And we needed to take advantage of that.

            Had DAL just gotten their season avg FTAs tonight it could’ve been a 30-35 pt game, like the PHX game reversed. 

          • Dec 2, 20121:16 am
            by tarsier

            the refs don’t give teams FTs

            players draw contact and get whistles

            contrary to popular opinion, the nba has no incentive to rig games. and a great deal of incentive not to. 

          • Dec 2, 20127:11 am
            by Mark

            eh, if you don’t think home cooking and star-calls go on in the NBA, then you aren’t paying close enough attention. 

            The refs decide which players/teams can be physical and which can’t on any given night. Its always been like that. They let some players/teams get away with contact and call fouls on others. Its not so much the calls they make, but the ones they don’t. In other words, they allowed us to play physical defense last night and only called us for 8 shooting fouls. When the refs let us play physical defense like that, we have to come away with a victory. 

          • Dec 2, 20121:21 pm
            by tarsier

            Home teams do tend to get a few more foul calls than away teams. But they also tend to perform slightly better in just about every other way. I honestly have never completely understood why this is. Is it really that easy for a crowd to get in professional athletes’ heads. Does travelling make performing top notch that much harder? Whatever so, until the foul call discrepancy is greater than the shooting percentage discrepancy or the rebounding discrepancy or whatever else, I’m not going to blame the zebras for it.

            As for star calls, yes, they happen. But they are seriously overstated. Everyone gets calls they shouldn’t and have calls they should get missed. Stars shoot more so they get more of both. And we more often choose to remember the former (kinda like how we remember made game winners more than missed game winners–except if it’s LBJ for some reason). I seriously doubt Stern instructs refs to protect stars with their whistles. But at least for that, unlike “home team calls”, there would be some incentive. Stars drive ratings, you don’t want them injured.

  • Dec 1, 201211:50 pm
    by Raphael

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    This coach is the worse. He sat on his ass the whole third quarter without making any kind of adjustments.  
     

  • Dec 1, 201211:54 pm
    by Raphael

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    Patrick, how many bad possessions did Monroe have against Brand?  Frank didn’t pull Monroe.  He was either getting his shot blocked or blowing layups. 

    • Dec 1, 201211:59 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      He was bad against Brand and Kaman, didn’t matter who was guarding him.

      He’s also the best player on the team. How many teams in this league would bench their best player for having a bad game? Zero. Monroe isn’t a rookie. He’s still developing, sure, but he’s an established good player in this league. Players like Monroe don’t get benched just for having a bad game.

  • Dec 2, 201212:12 am
    by Raphael

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    I understand your point about not benching Monroe, but Frank pulled Drummond way to early and refused to put some size in with monroe to help contend in the paint.  Frank also had plenty of time in the third to make adjustments before the game got out of hand, but he sat there and watch the lead disappear and balloon out of control. This loss is a prime example of why this coach is inept and over his head. Frank is a video tactician masquerading as a coach.  

  • Dec 2, 201212:16 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    we are worse than the Wizards!!!!

    at least the Wizards, have an excuse…our excuse is “The Process”

     

  • Dec 2, 201212:16 am
    by michaelf

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    You would think that a Piston coach somewhere sometime would teach Drummond to stop gambling for the steal.  Andre stay between your man and the basket.  Stop running at your man, stop trying to block every ball fake.  I’m hoping they already communicated the obvious but he needs to have it repeated until he stops.  When he learns, if he learns, to stay in the play regularly, he will be a defensive force. 

    Not that that would have saved the 12 for 51 second half Pistons.  Leaving the starters and Charlie V and the Stuck one out on the floor in the 4th was just like Frank.

    • Dec 2, 201212:20 am
      by Mark

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      I honestly think thats just Franks defensive system. Our big men are always going out to the 3 pt line to help defend pick/rolls, not just Drummond. Meanwhile we leave the paint open. When you have an anchor like Drummond you leave him in the paint and let the guards come to him if teams want to run pick/rolls. 

      The goal of many offenses is to draw shotblockers out of the paint. Frank does it for them by instructing his bigs to leave the paint on their own.

    • Dec 2, 201212:43 am
      by FREE DRE & BK

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      Roy Rodgers is our big man coach! Enuff said

  • Dec 2, 201212:24 am
    by Chris H

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    I’m not sure if it would have helped at all this game, but having Monroe having such a bad game and the other bigs not doing much better, why not play Slava?  I mean it isn’t like there was anything to lose in that idea. Yes he may have hindered the offense greatly, but according to scouting reports even he can hit shots two foot from the basket.  Of course I’m sure scouting reports say that for all of the players on detroit as well…

  • Dec 2, 201212:30 am
    by Travis

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    Life sucks. Move on.

  • Dec 2, 201212:42 am
    by FREE DRE & BK

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    Tired of the coaching…. cant protect leads unless everything s going right for us and wrong for the opponent….

    He is out coached every game…

    does not make the best use of his talent…

    If he wasnt Doc Rivers water boy, he would have never even been a candidate.

    having this lil boy as our coach is like, really wanting to date the hot girl, but being stuck with her ugly friend…but you dont want to get rid of her only because you’ve already brought her stuff and you havent figured out how to get it back without looking like an asshole 

    • Dec 2, 20121:20 am
      by tarsier

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      so just out of curiosity, i this analogy, did you think you were dating the hot girl so you bought her lots of stuff? and only once you had given it to her did you realize that, holy cow, she is someone else completely? do the hot girl and her ugly friend wear veils or burkas or something? 

    • Dec 2, 20129:24 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      This is the bullshit I hate about sports fans in general. Someone can’t just be a bad coach. You fill your rant with ‘lil boy’ insults like you’re ALL MAN BABY and because Frank is short or red-haired or uses big words when he talks or whatever, he’s just a little NERD BOY who has no business in sports.

      Then you throw in the misogynistic shit just for kicks. Sports are great, but loudmouth ignorant ass fans are the worst. If your intention is to look like a meatheaded idiot, then you succeeded. If your intention was to prove any other point, I certainly didn’t get it.

  • Dec 2, 20121:25 am
    by Pistons87

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    The main reason we lost tonight was Greg Monroe was awful. He’s our best player, he stayed aggressive and he was absolutely punked by Chris freaking Kaman.   

  • Dec 2, 20121:56 am
    by Juan

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    We were up imn the first half and Monroe play bad. IMHo this game go to the coach Carslile make the adjusment and Mayo and Carter get hot why he dont tried a zone defese?

    • Dec 2, 20127:15 am
      by Mark

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      Exactly. When Mavs players played bad, Carlisle replaced them. And when he found the guys that were playing good he left them in the game. Its not rocket science. 

      When our players play bad they get left in the game longer, and when we have guys playing good Frank takes them out. Its ass backwards. The only exception is Drummond. When he makes 1 mistake he gets benched the rest of the game. 

      • Dec 2, 20129:27 am
        by Patrick Hayes

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        “When Mavs players played bad, Carlisle replaced them.”

        Mayo was awful in the first half. And Carlisle, in fact, did NOT replace him. You know why? Because he’s been the Mavs’ best player this season with Dirk out. So Carlisle did the exact thing — let his best player play through struggles — that you criticized Frank for trying to do with Monroe.

        And holy hell, will people stop saying Drummond made one mistake? He made multiple defensive mistakes in the second half in his brief minutes that any unbiased eye watching could see. I didn’t want him to get benched either, but be honest about it. He had three awful defensive possessions in a row. 

  • Dec 2, 201211:21 am
    by Juan

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    “We need to be able to collect ourselves and find ways to impact the game — everyone — when the tide starts to turn,” Frank said. “You knew they were going to turn it up, right? And yet, we had great catches, great shots, and we didn’t make them. Well, all right, gotta grind. Gotta grind

    Why not bring energy guy like Kim Or Jonas to try to change the tide or try a defenze zone to slow down the Mayo or Carter. If he make adjusment and dosent work ok but he did that is our frustracion part.  hes been outcoached to often.

  • Dec 2, 201212:04 pm
    by Kobina

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    What’s everyone so mad about?  Don’t you guys want to see Shabazz Muhammad or Alex Poythress in a Pistons jersey next season?

  • Dec 2, 201212:10 pm
    by Raphael

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    The third quarter was the worst stint of coaching i can remember. Frank had plenty of chances to make an adjustment, but he didn’t do a thing.  That is inexcusable!  We can debate who should have got more time and who shouldn’t have, but it’s a fact that Frank sits their and watches in the midst of losing the game without any form of contingency plan. That was the most frustrating thing for me last night. He didn’t even try another player combination. He just watched his team crash and burn. 

  • Dec 2, 20126:49 pm
    by Piston Truth

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    Hell I would’ve at least gave Max an C+ for effort seem like he was the only one doing something.

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