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Lawrence Frank on Andre Drummond: ‘We’re privy to things that maybe the general public isn’t’

David Mayo of MLive:

"When we don’t play Andre 18 minutes, the reporters (who cover the Pistons regularly) have pictures of me up all around town — and the fans, too," said Frank, who used that benchmark because Valanciunas played 18 minutes in the Raptors win Tuesday at Cleveland. "But the thing is, there are certain things that we’re privy to things that maybe the general public isn’t.

"There’s a lot of things we see and understand the big picture. Not that there’s a right way or wrong way, but it’s the way we choose it. Plus, there are other guys who may also be doing their jobs as well."

I’ll just leave you with Joe Dumars’ recent comments on Andre Drummond:

That’s what people don’t see about him that we all – everybody, internally – know this kid has a great spirit about him.

29 Comments

  • Dec 20, 201212:13 pm
    by Crispus

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    Maybe he turns into a werewolf if he plays more than 30 mins in more than two consecutive games.

  • Dec 20, 201212:20 pm
    by MIKEYDE248

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    We are not understanding the big picture.  Yes we are…we are 7-21.  Isn’t that the big picture.

    • Dec 20, 20123:40 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      Man I can’t agree with this more.  If we were even .500 I would maybe buy his BS but at lottery bound 7-21 what harm is there in trying something different.

  • Dec 20, 201212:23 pm
    by sebastian

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    More bull____ from L. Frank!

  • Dec 20, 201212:28 pm
    by Zeiram

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    Not to stir the pot further or anything but maybe there is something to this. Maybe it´s his conditioning and they want to prevent him hitting the rookie wall. Maybe Drummond and Monroe playing together would stunt Drummonds offensive growth. Maybe they want him playing with certain members of the second team that don´t go well with Monroe. The private information Frank mentions could of course be basically anything including and up to Crispus very real proposal.
     
    I can understand the commotion about Drummonds playing time, he is the linchpin to the Pistons future. But right now I don´t think his developement is lacking anything. He is getting time on the floor, (not like Darko or anything), his time is increasing if sporadically and minimal and most important he has no pressure. Now a lot of people clamor for that Drummond/Monroe combo but I disagree. Right now Drummonds development to a pro NBA player is more important than his developement to Monroes defensive sidekick. It´s only his first season. He can spent many more seasons learning the tendencies of Monroe, right now he should focus on himself. (I want to put this sentence in caps as the essence of my rant, but I won´t for the good of the internet).
     
    Lastly if keeping Drummong and Monroe seperate for this season leads to many a loss, seriously I am kinda for it. Losing games without sacrificing effort or playing time for crucial players is the king move of tanking. We need that additional lottery pick, we need it bad!
     
    Mic drop, troll out…

    • Dec 20, 20121:00 pm
      by Vic

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      I agree, it’s definitely a perfect move- reverse tank early in the season, get the last piece you need to make the playoffs.
      Then next year when everybody is tanking for Wiggins and Jabari Parker, we jump up in wins and surprise the league.

      Still need a new coach though, because no self respecting coach would sacrifice his record for a plan like that 

  • Dec 20, 201212:29 pm
    by moe

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    I say play drummond at least 30 minutes a game. I believe that he can a lot more about the game then sitting on the bench and watching Maxiel play ahead of him. Look at what the raptors and hornets are doing. They are playing their young center all the minutes they can handle. There is no point to play the veterans a lot minutes this season when you have no chance of going anywhere. I would start trading this veterans for picks or young players. This is a lost season why not make try to make it more then that.

    • Dec 21, 201212:31 am
      by Tom Y.

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      Well, in New Orleans it seems like it may have been the cause of injuries. Davis has been injured what, twice already? He’s played just 12 games. Or maybe he’s injury prone because of being so skinny in a big men’s league.

  • Dec 20, 201212:58 pm
    by bugsygod

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    So is Frank Not trying to throw Drummond under the bus?  I think that we all can see his conditioning and awareness needs to improve.  BUT!!!! Doesnt that come from experience, like the more playing time, will lead to more awareness and better conditioning?  Is Frank saying that Drummond is a malcontent or lazy?  How can that be when EVERYONE says the opposite, he is a great kid and really listens to the coaches and is trying to improve, ex. Dumars statement above.  Does Drummond not go hard in practice, so that prevents him from getting game time minutes?  So becuase of Practice, not the games, but we talking Practice? (in my allen iverson voice of course).  What is it that the External ppl are missing??  He Plays hard in probably every game i have seen, except maybe a couple stinkers.  The team defense improves to top of the league when he plays with Monroe.  I would just want one specific piece of info that we are not “privy” too.  Just give the fans ONE of these reasons that you refuse to play drummond big minutes every game.  The more Frank talks, the harder it is to see him lasting here.  Another poor Dumars hire.

    • Dec 20, 20121:28 pm
      by Edgar

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      Just realized I repeated a lot of your points, man. Sorry for the echo haha

    • Dec 20, 20122:59 pm
      by rick

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      Gores, my man , not Dumars signed this a$$hat! Get it $t8.

    • Dec 20, 20123:54 pm
      by jamesjones_det

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      if and only IF Drummond was pulling an AI, I would then side with Frank.
       
      However when that type of thing is going down you usually hear about it, so I would be surprised if Drummond was just going through the motions in practice.

  • Dec 20, 20121:24 pm
    by Edgar

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    This is getting absurd. His comments are just absurd. Frank should WANT to play Drummond more minutes. He should see it as a problem that Drummond isn’t playing more. He’s got an athletic, 19-year-old big man with great hands who tries hard in games, has been consistently productive and better than any other non-Monroe big man, and everybody likes him. Frank should be falling all over himself looking for ways to get him more minutes. What “big picture” thing could Frank possibly be seeing that outweighs Drummond’s play and production during actual games? Does he really think playing ten more minutes a game or playing consistent minutes with Monroe (god forbid) is going to jeopardize Drummond’s long-term development? Or that ten extra minutes for Drummond means we won’t make the playoffs? As if we’re going to make the playoffs with Charlie V. and Austin Daye in the rotation? What in the world is happening here?

    • Dec 20, 20122:02 pm
      by bugsygod

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      You made even Better Points…”As if we’re going to make the playoffs with Charlie V. and Austin Daye in the rotation?”

  • Dec 20, 20122:02 pm
    by Otis

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    Sounds like he’s trying to deflect some of the criticism for the mandate surrounding Drummond. This organization is a mess.

  • Dec 20, 20122:43 pm
    by Scott Free

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    Yeah Lawrence, it really shows in your win/loss record.  

  • Dec 20, 20123:39 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Should have just sent him to the D-League

  • Dec 20, 20123:54 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    PRIVY!!!! Puhahaha! Of course you are…. Explain WHY!

    We want to build his conditioning ? We plan to start him in the final 30 games, we would like to see him move more on offense?

    He is literally our best defensive player!

  • Dec 20, 20124:28 pm
    by Jim Buxton

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    Limit Drummond’s time, lose a lot and hope we get picks in the first 4 next draft.  Showcase Magette, Charlie V and Austin, and hope someone gets suckered into giving us something / anything.  It’s not about this year; it’s about next!

    • Dec 20, 20125:29 pm
      by Scott Free

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      Thats what they said about last year.

  • Dec 20, 20125:31 pm
    by Scott Free

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    Okay, fine Lawrence, Drummond isn’t what you need on the starting lineup.  Do you mind letting the fans know what IS?  Clearly what you’re doing isn’t working — and marginal moves like reinserting A Daye isn’t gonna cut it.  This team is losing more than last year, with a better squad!  How does that happen?  

  • Dec 20, 20125:31 pm
    by Corey

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    One “other thing” the public isn’t privy to could be trade strategy. They might feel, for example, that keeping Maxiel the starter through the trade deadline will improve his marketability. They might feel putting CV or Daye on the floor to prove they’re not dead benefits the team’s trade possibilities.

    The other most likely issue, for Drummond specifically, is conditioning – or just the rookie wall. Last year in college, he only played 20something minutes per game in a 30 game season. He’s already player about 75% of what he did in his entire college season this year, and it’s only 1/3 of the way through the season. 

    I’m starting to actually believe something I write fairly tongue-in-cheek a while back:

    Drummond is playing great for a rookie that no one had any expectations of this season, right? And now he’s doing it for 20 minutes per game. Maybe that means… they are handling him correctly!  Early on, nobody thought he’d contribute this year. He was a “project big man”. Years away. Now he’s a valuable rotation player, with the second highest PER in amongst rookies in the league this year. They’re doing something right with him.

    Would he maintain that level of  play at 35 minutes per night? I doubt it. Perhaps, since his rap coming out of college was that he lacked focus and motor, they are trying to teach him to play hard ALL THE TIME he’s out there. He can’t do that if he’s playing 35 minutes a night, and he doesn’t yet know when to go hard and when to coast a little, like a 10 year veteran. 

    • Dec 20, 20128:12 pm
      by Bugsygod

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      Would be nice to see in Real games if he could or not, instead of just not trying it at all.  Push his minutes then determine where his wall is.  He may not be able to go 35, but maybe 28? 30? 25?  Gotta be more than 18.  

      • Dec 21, 20128:34 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        “Early on, nobody thought he’d contribute this year. He was a “project big man”. Years away”

        Correction … MANY FANS and EXPERTS said he’d be a nice compliment to Monroe, so that Monroe can Move to PF.

        Frank and dumars played down his talent, because they didnt want a high expectation Darko Situation…

        Drummond was the MOST ATHLETIC PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE COMBINE Weight over 250.

        “Project Big man” had more to do with his scoring! than his defense and rebounding.

        I expect Drummond to start from day one, he had a nice summer league and a even better pre-season, and he has only gotten better.

        Crafty vet with an arsenal of offensive moves get the better of him, but the more he plays the more he has a chance to adjust

        • Dec 21, 20129:46 am
          by Corey

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          He wouldn’t have been there at pick #9 unless there were vast doubts about him going into the draft. The teams drafting 2-8 all thought Drummond was a project who wouldn’t be worth significant rotation minutes this year, and had high bust potential. How do I know that? Because they didn’t draft him. Everyone said that last year’s draft only had one real star player – Anthony Davis. You’re right, Drummond’s combine numbers were incredible. That means that all those teams that passed on him had serious doubts about other aspects of him as a player, beyond the physical.

          That said, of course I am speculating about the reasons they aren’t playing him more. I never said I KNOW it. Hence the “Perhaps” to start the statement about his conditioning. I will add, however, that basketball is a very hard game to play at full intensity for long minutes. That’s why players with a “high motor” are valuable – even amongst the best pros, it’s hard to give maximum effort for 35+ minutes a night.

    • Dec 21, 20126:53 am
      by T Casey

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      “Perhaps, since his rap coming out of college was that he lacked focus and motor, they are trying to teach him to play hard ALL THE TIME he’s out there. He can’t do that if he’s playing 35 minutes a night, and he doesn’t yet know when to go hard and when to coast a little, like a 10 year veteran.”

      Well now that’s a bold and unbacked statement. There’s no mandate saying that he can’t play hard/learn to play hard all the time if he’s getting big minutes. And besides, those 10 year veterans you’re talking about are often guys on the far end of their prime years and have to conserve energy because they don’t have as much in the tank as they used to in order to just play all out for 35 minutes every game. A 19 year old player should be able to play 30-35 minutes of hard ball every night with very few, if any problems

  • Dec 21, 20127:47 am
    by Kelley Pearson

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    It’s amazing to me that so many of you have coached or GM’d in the NBA and have the perfect plan to fix the team.  There is a reason that being an NBA coach or GM is a job tha very few people will ever hold. I don’t always agree with Frank or Joe but I realise that they have both had success in the NBA.  I have no problem with how Drumond is being brought along.  Two separate tales of talent and how they were developed.  Chauncey Billups was tossed into the fireas a rookie and was labled a bust for years before he landed with Minn. and wan’t considered a star until he won a finals MVP.  Jermaine O’neal was brought along slowly because he was not ready at 19 and he blossomed into a star until injuries derailed his career.  There is no right or wrong way to do so but you have to be careful because teams have ruined players giving them too much before they were ready for it.  My guess what Frank meant by what he said is that they see his strengths and weakesses that we may not see such as how he deals with adversity and his understanding of the playbooks.

  • Dec 21, 20128:00 am
    by Ryank

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    I’m guessing the info we are not privy to is Joe told Frank to bring Drummond along slowly for the first half of the season. 

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