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	<title>Comments on: Greg Monroe has bounce-back performance, Pistons don&#8217;t, in loss to Philadelphia</title>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tay and Max are not more valuable to the Pistons than others because winning games is not valuable to the Pistons this season unless they can make the playoffs--which they can&#039;t.

&quot;Not to mention, we want the Pistons to get better, and that doesn’t happen by moving starters in exchange for situational players or late first/early second round draft picks.&quot;

The entire point of moving them isn&#039;t to be better this season. But without those two on the books, Detroit could sign players who give them about as much. But, adding draft picks is one of the best way to add value to a franchise. In other words, trading them is taking an immediate loss for a delayed gain (which admittedly probably isn&#039;t as big--but the loss is irrelevant now unless you care whether you support a 30 win team or a 25 win team)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tay and Max are not more valuable to the Pistons than others because winning games is not valuable to the Pistons this season unless they can make the playoffs&#8211;which they can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not to mention, we want the Pistons to get better, and that doesn’t happen by moving starters in exchange for situational players or late first/early second round draft picks.&#8221;</p>
<p>The entire point of moving them isn&#8217;t to be better this season. But without those two on the books, Detroit could sign players who give them about as much. But, adding draft picks is one of the best way to add value to a franchise. In other words, trading them is taking an immediate loss for a delayed gain (which admittedly probably isn&#8217;t as big&#8211;but the loss is irrelevant now unless you care whether you support a 30 win team or a 25 win team)</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Not to be a dickhead but where have you read around the league circles that this is true? Last time I checked any player on the last year of his deal is a valuable commodity.&quot;

I don&#039;t know which of the things I said you are responding to. But if it is about Charlie, CV is NOT on the last year of his deal. It jsut feels that way to Pistons fans because Detroit can amnesty him over the summer. But his contract runs through next season. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not to be a dickhead but where have you read around the league circles that this is true? Last time I checked any player on the last year of his deal is a valuable commodity.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know which of the things I said you are responding to. But if it is about Charlie, CV is NOT on the last year of his deal. It jsut feels that way to Pistons fans because Detroit can amnesty him over the summer. But his contract runs through next season. </p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of what you said (including that the Afflalo and Amir trades were part of the rebuild). But again, I was never once talking about he trades (which were terrible). I was talking about how much opportunity they got to play while in Detroit. So everything about how stupid those trades were is not a point in this argument. I agree. But it&#039;s not what I&#039;m talking about. You keep changing the topic and arguing against something I never said.

You can argue that Afflalo looked solid. And he did. But he was getting nearly 20 mpg. And he was a second year player from near the end of the first round. Stuckey, Rip, and AI had all earned a lot more minutes than him (AI wasn&#039;t great that season but when you have a future HOF who was easily playing all-star caliber ball the previous season, you give him the full year to see if he can get his mojo back). In that context, getting over 15 mpg is nothing to complain about.

Amir is the guy that you could argue deserved more PT. But as I pointed out, whenever he got it, he just picked up fouls way too fast.

Again, all I said was that most of the young prospects who have flashed potential in Detroit since the rebuild got their opportunities. The Pistons may not have taken advantage of their opportunities to hang onto them, but they did play the men--except Macklin (you could argue Summers, but he never really showed anything in his scant opportunities).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with much of what you said (including that the Afflalo and Amir trades were part of the rebuild). But again, I was never once talking about he trades (which were terrible). I was talking about how much opportunity they got to play while in Detroit. So everything about how stupid those trades were is not a point in this argument. I agree. But it&#8217;s not what I&#8217;m talking about. You keep changing the topic and arguing against something I never said.</p>
<p>You can argue that Afflalo looked solid. And he did. But he was getting nearly 20 mpg. And he was a second year player from near the end of the first round. Stuckey, Rip, and AI had all earned a lot more minutes than him (AI wasn&#8217;t great that season but when you have a future HOF who was easily playing all-star caliber ball the previous season, you give him the full year to see if he can get his mojo back). In that context, getting over 15 mpg is nothing to complain about.</p>
<p>Amir is the guy that you could argue deserved more PT. But as I pointed out, whenever he got it, he just picked up fouls way too fast.</p>
<p>Again, all I said was that most of the young prospects who have flashed potential in Detroit since the rebuild got their opportunities. The Pistons may not have taken advantage of their opportunities to hang onto them, but they did play the men&#8211;except Macklin (you could argue Summers, but he never really showed anything in his scant opportunities).</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi Jezz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi Jezz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 00:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat when I say he&#039;s garbage I&#039;m comparing him to other starting 2&#039;s...I like Singler and I agree we got a valuable player in the 2nd round, I just don&#039;t think he&#039;s a starter or should receive starter minutes...You have to do more than &quot;Shot the Ball&quot; to be a starter...Stuckey is good, he just started the season bad...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat when I say he&#8217;s garbage I&#8217;m comparing him to other starting 2&#8242;s&#8230;I like Singler and I agree we got a valuable player in the 2nd round, I just don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s a starter or should receive starter minutes&#8230;You have to do more than &#8220;Shot the Ball&#8221; to be a starter&#8230;Stuckey is good, he just started the season bad&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jodi Jezz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi Jezz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know bro, I honestly don&#039;t see a Knight/Singler back-court going anywhere...I feel as if he could give us the same production coming off the bench...Singler is slowly growing on me though...Singler needs to learn how to stop fouling so much and stay in-front of his opponents...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know bro, I honestly don&#8217;t see a Knight/Singler back-court going anywhere&#8230;I feel as if he could give us the same production coming off the bench&#8230;Singler is slowly growing on me though&#8230;Singler needs to learn how to stop fouling so much and stay in-front of his opponents&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 23:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only Pistons reference I caught was &#039;Isolayshaun&#039;  anyone hear any trade rumors involving Detroit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only Pistons reference I caught was &#8216;Isolayshaun&#8217;  anyone hear any trade rumors involving Detroit?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Charlie V had been playing balls out, we&#039;d have seen two beige hardboiled eggs... sorry couldn&#039;t resist.

Actually if Villanueva had been playing well, we may not have seen an increase in wins (maybe here or there)... but we&#039;d have a trade piece that other teams might be interested in acquiring.  Right now the Pistons have very few of those that arent instrumental to our long-term success. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Charlie V had been playing balls out, we&#8217;d have seen two beige hardboiled eggs&#8230; sorry couldn&#8217;t resist.</p>
<p>Actually if Villanueva had been playing well, we may not have seen an increase in wins (maybe here or there)&#8230; but we&#8217;d have a trade piece that other teams might be interested in acquiring.  Right now the Pistons have very few of those that arent instrumental to our long-term success. </p>
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		<title>By: Scott Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 22:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually believe Tay and Max are more valuable to the Pistons than other squads.  (Hear me out)  Regardless our opinions of the matter, Tay and Max START for the Pistons, but would be rotational players on likely every other roster in the league.  

We would NEVER get a player in return for either Tay or Max that could provide as much for the Pistons as those two have.  We would NEVER get an even deal for either of those two -- because no one is desperate for either an aging yet efficient SF or an undersized albiet energetic PF, to give up another starting quality player (especially a squad thats signing them to &#039;put them over the edge&#039;).  

Not to mention, we want the Pistons to get better, and that doesn&#039;t happen by moving starters in exchange for situational players or late first/early second round draft picks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually believe Tay and Max are more valuable to the Pistons than other squads.  (Hear me out)  Regardless our opinions of the matter, Tay and Max START for the Pistons, but would be rotational players on likely every other roster in the league.  </p>
<p>We would NEVER get a player in return for either Tay or Max that could provide as much for the Pistons as those two have.  We would NEVER get an even deal for either of those two &#8212; because no one is desperate for either an aging yet efficient SF or an undersized albiet energetic PF, to give up another starting quality player (especially a squad thats signing them to &#8216;put them over the edge&#8217;).  </p>
<p>Not to mention, we want the Pistons to get better, and that doesn&#8217;t happen by moving starters in exchange for situational players or late first/early second round draft picks.<br />
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		<title>By: rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to be a dickhead but where have you read around the league circles that this is true? Last time I checked any player on the last year of his deal is a valuable commodity. Another thing I have been wanting to ask is hypothetically what if Charlie V had been playing balls out for Detroit the last couple of years , what could it have changed in terms of wins/losses? I think every organization and team has a scapegoat and Charlie V has taken the spot of Richard Hamilton, who by the way helped win a title. I guess my frustration is &quot; what if we were graded by everything we did differently on a daily basis at work how would we feel? I know he has not been the best but I am looking at the entire team over his tenure and nothing good has stood out that I would write home about. Yeah we got a great big boon this year in the draft but I get the feeling Monroe is gonna be our version of Al Jefferson if he doesnt get any help. A guy who puts up big numbers but is insignificant when it comes to wins/losses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to be a dickhead but where have you read around the league circles that this is true? Last time I checked any player on the last year of his deal is a valuable commodity. Another thing I have been wanting to ask is hypothetically what if Charlie V had been playing balls out for Detroit the last couple of years , what could it have changed in terms of wins/losses? I think every organization and team has a scapegoat and Charlie V has taken the spot of Richard Hamilton, who by the way helped win a title. I guess my frustration is &#8221; what if we were graded by everything we did differently on a daily basis at work how would we feel? I know he has not been the best but I am looking at the entire team over his tenure and nothing good has stood out that I would write home about. Yeah we got a great big boon this year in the draft but I get the feeling Monroe is gonna be our version of Al Jefferson if he doesnt get any help. A guy who puts up big numbers but is insignificant when it comes to wins/losses.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2012 21:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t disagree with you on Frank being a poor coach and poor fit for this team. I don&#039;t think he&#039;s dumb or a terrible coach overall, just a mediocre one, like most coaches in the league. He&#039;s certainly not among the top guys, but there are also guys who are worse than he is.

But I pin most of the blame for this performance at the top of the organization. It&#039;s a poorly assembled roster, the team hasn&#039;t committed full to bottoming out enough to truly rebuild and, considering what Dumars did with money in free agency the last time he had it, I&#039;m leery about what might happen this offseason.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with you on Frank being a poor coach and poor fit for this team. I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s dumb or a terrible coach overall, just a mediocre one, like most coaches in the league. He&#8217;s certainly not among the top guys, but there are also guys who are worse than he is.</p>
<p>But I pin most of the blame for this performance at the top of the organization. It&#8217;s a poorly assembled roster, the team hasn&#8217;t committed full to bottoming out enough to truly rebuild and, considering what Dumars did with money in free agency the last time he had it, I&#8217;m leery about what might happen this offseason.</p>
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