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Brandon Knight is awesome (edit: though not quite as awesome as the box score indicates)

League Pass is, well, League Passing, so I haven’t been able to watch the Pistons’ 104-97 win over the Cavaliers yet. But I think it’s safe to assume my headline is accurate. I’ll update this post tomorrow once I watch the game, but in the meantime, use the comments here to discuss how awesome Brandon Knight is.

Update:

Detroit Pistons 104 Final
Recap | Box Score
97 Cleveland Cavaliers
Jason Maxiell, PF 30 MIN | 4-7 FG | 2-4 FT | 4 REB | 0 AST | 10 PTS | +13

The Cavaliers were in this game for one reason: They grabbed 20 offensive rebounds to the Pistons’ 25 defensive rebounds. Teams have had a worse defensive-rebounding percentage only 10 times this season, and I’m spreading blame for that – including to Maxiell, who had just two defensive rebounds in 30 minutes.

Tayshaun Prince, SF 34 MIN | 5-11 FG | 4-4 FT | 8 REB | 1 AST | 14 PTS | +3

Prince, with eight defensive rebounds, did work.

Kyle Singler, SF 35 MIN | 2-4 FG | 5-5 FT | 2 REB | 1 AST | 9 PTS | +1

This was a major improvement over Singler’s last couple games, but he still hasn’t been too effective lately.

Greg Monroe, C 29 MIN | 2-8 FG | 7-9 FT | 4 REB | 3 AST | 11 PTS | -1

Three defensive rebounds in 29 minutes and three three turnovers. At least he got to the free-throw line, but overall, Monroe must starting playing better if he wants that max contract extension.

Brandon Knight, PG 38 MIN | 10-20 FG | 5-6 FT | 7 REB | 5 AST | 30 PTS | +13

Knight shot very well, especially from beyond the arc. For a team lacking reliable scorers, that’s extremely important and the reason Knight grades out so positively. I apologize for using more words to explain the flaws in Knight’s game rather than I used to praise him, but his positives were simple, and his shortcomings require more nuance. Of Knight’s 30 points, 15 came on assisted 3-pointers that featured a combined one dribble before he shot them, four came on uncontested fastbreak layups (including one that followed Knight awesomely taking advantage of his length to steal a perimeter pass) and one came on a free throw after Cleveland began intentionally fouling late. That’s not to completely discount those 20 points, but they’re not hugely encouraging that Knight can develop into a quality scoring point guard. Those opportunities won’t be available every night, and it’s still questionable how much Knight can create for himself going forward, but credit Knight for taking advantage tonight. His five assists and one turnover were nice. His defense, though, was shaky on Jeremy Pargo, who scored 24 points.

Charlie Villanueva, PF 16 MIN | 2-5 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 6 PTS | -8

As long as he’s making shots, he probably will hold his rotation spot. Does anyone else sort of wish he’d stop making shots?

Corey Maggette, SF 7 MIN | 2-4 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 5 PTS | -7

His seven minutes were a season low, and like in the rest of his games, they were largely forgettable. His rotation spot might be in jeopardy.

Andre Drummond, C 21 MIN | 4-6 FG | 1-3 FT | 3 REB | 0 AST | 9 PTS | +10

Drummond didn’t generate a huge state line and didn’t play exceptionally well, but but he certainly helps the Pistons when he’s on the floor. Simply, he makes a lot of things easy for his team and difficult for his opponent that wouldn’t be otherwise.

Rodney Stuckey, PG 29 MIN | 4-10 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 6 AST | 10 PTS | +11

Not only did Stuckey have six assists and no turnovers, he made a couple tough shots late that he created for himself that are repeatable against pretty much any opponent. Knight was definitely better tonight, but Stuckey’s performance might be a better sign of good things to come. Knight did not thing discouraging, but Stuckey might have done just a few more encouraging things that are repeatable against better (all other) teams.

Lawrence Frank, HEAD COACH

The Pistons’ offense didn’t look pretty, but they still scored 104 points. Why? They wisely attacked matchup advantages and drew fouls, shooting 25-of-33 from the free-throw line. The Pistons can’t play a Cavaliers team lacking Kyrie Irving and Dion Waiters every game, but it was a sound plan tonight. Of course, Frank gets docked for sticking with old, ineffective players.

108 Comments

  • Dec 9, 20121:14 am
    by HardyHar

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    Knight had a nice game, not sure it was his best, but it was a nice game. Drummond was the reason, in my opinion, they turned the game around and took the game over. The were getting DESTROYED on the glass before he finally got back in. 

  • Dec 9, 20121:19 am
    by dtmfr

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    Drummond, Monroe, Maxiel got abused on the boards once again.  Only 3 rebounds in 21 minutes for Drummond.  V, Thompson, Zeller took our bigs apart all night.  Thank god Knight’s shots were falling and everyone got to the line.

    • Dec 9, 201212:44 pm
      by Guy

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      dtmfr, you either didn’t watch the game or decided your opinion after looking at the box. 

      The game did change when Drummond came in. Pistons were down and out, couldnt get a rebound.. Drummond may have on had 3 rebounds, but his impact on that game may have been the most impactful of any this season. Pistons started getting rebounds again. There’s more than one way to impact rebounding. First of all I think Drummond tipped several rebound to teammates, but secondly he kept cleveland off the glass and occupied their attention in general. He was huge in this game.  

      • Dec 9, 20124:58 pm
        by frankie d

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        only saw the first quarter and part of the second quarter so i can’t comment on the entire game.
        but i have seen huge shifts in how games proceed when drummond comes into the game.
        teams simply start checking for his presence when they head to the lane and they definitely hesitate on taking it to the basket.
        i have not seen him live and in person, but by all accounts he is a huge man.  you just don’t get a good feel for size watching games on tv.  and if he is as big as they say he is, with the kind of agility and hops that he has, well, that is an incredible combination and one that always impacts games.
        for instance, when mahorn and laimbeer played together, laimbeer almost always outrebounded mahorn, but mahorn just took up so much space under the basket that he allowed laimbeer to concentrate on retrieving the ball, rather than battling other big bodies for position.
        my guess is that drummond does the same thing for the other piston rebounders. 
        the pistons may have lucked into getting the big guy they’ve dreamed about since lanier got traded. 

  • Dec 9, 20121:24 am
    by ryan

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    Does it strike anyone else as odd that we seem to have either our bigs playing well or our guards but never both together?

    • Dec 9, 201212:47 pm
      by Guy

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      Not really. We have 3 guys age 20-22 playing heavy minutes and another rookie starter. 

  • Dec 9, 20121:27 am
    by MrHappyMushroom

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    Drummond was terrific. He absolutely changed the whole tenor of the game.  Perhaps he had only one block (though another was negated by a bogus goaltending call) and three boards. But when he was in, the Cavs shots simply got more difficult and the whole defense seemed to be more cohesive.  Knight’s stats were better, but Drummond was as effective. 
     
    To hell with the League Pass, Patrick–there are so many pirate sites at there for watching the game. You may not approve of such things, but if you’re paying the NBA for a service that doesn’t work, fugg ‘em, right?

    • Dec 9, 20128:30 am
      by Day and Knight

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      I approve! 

  • Dec 9, 20121:32 am
    by Big Rick

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    Did anyone check out the write up on the Piston’s site? You would think Jason Maxiell was the headliner with over half of the article titled “Knight Cruise” being dedicated to him. You would think it was for B.Knight. True enough Jason had a key block which was huge, but we made our run to close the gap and take the lead with Drunmond and the reserves. I guess the agenda is to downplay Drummond’s accomplishments while glorifying Maxiell’s for obvious reasons. Our front line as a whole played sub-par tonight IMO, but at least Varejo didn’t put on a 1 man clinic like Noah did last night. That was embarrassing! 

  • Dec 9, 20121:36 am
    by Mel

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    The difference with Drummond is that he doesn’t allow too many players to drive the lane. He alters shots. With Monroe( most times) and Max (sometimes) players  do what they want in the paint. Sure we have a few games where Max and Moose clamp down but Drummond is such a big body and so athletic he doesn’t have to get a ton of rebounds to effect the game. As long as he stays active good things happen with him. I can’t say the same with Moose lately. He need to work on his jumper and stop with the turnovers. Go game for Stuck, Knight and Taye.

  • Dec 9, 20121:40 am
    by jacob

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    garbage = frank

  • Dec 9, 20121:41 am
    by gmehl

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    Yeah we won the game but i am not happy with the way we won. We looked terrible against a depleted Cavs team. Our cohesion on both ends of the court looks terrible and i think it might be time for another change in the rotation. The time is right to bring Drummond into the starting line up. At the start of the season i said he should come off the bench for the first 15-20 games which is where were at. The kid has got his feet wet and is used to the pace so lets see what he can do along side Moose. Moose is struggling and needs the big kid beside him on defence. Any time between now and the all star break where this doesn’t happen is just proof that they don’t want to lose that draft pick.

    • Dec 9, 20122:17 am
      by dtmfr

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      To “lose that draft pick” this year the Pistons would have to make the playoffs.  Playing Drummond 48 minutes a game the rest of the way won’t make that happen.  Pick is top 8 protected in 2014, number 1 protected in 2015 and 2016. I would love it if Charlotte doesn’t get it til 2017.

      • Dec 9, 20122:48 am
        by gmehl

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        You obviously missed the sarcasm in my post.

      • Dec 9, 20122:50 am
        by Jon

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        that’s a pretty bleak outllook. i think we should tank this year to get a small forward in shabazz, poythress or porter, slide knight over to sg get a pg in free agency like lowry. that’ll put us in the playoffs next year and contending in the conference in 3 if our young players progress as expected. although i also wouldn’t complain about tanking from the start next year to get wiggins but that’s more of a dream

        • Dec 9, 20123:35 am
          by Chris

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          No No No No. No a thousand times to the idea of moving Knight to SG. Seriously – he is far too small to compete as a shooting guard unless you have some serious size at the point.

          • Dec 9, 20124:42 am
            by Tom Y.

            Yeah, Knight’s future is either as a starting PG if he manages to mature a a player or as a backup guard if he doesn’t. He could be a good backup SG with his shooting but never a starter.

          • Dec 10, 20124:32 pm
            by T Casey

            Agreed. There’s not much room for a 6 ft sg in the league. He’ll either learn to be a better facilitator or end up being a backup pg who can put up points.

  • Dec 9, 20125:18 am
    by Big Rick

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    Anyone notice that Cleveland fans packed the stadium? It looks like it was sold out. It was so noticeable that even George & Greg commented on that. I’m thinking of potential contributing factors of why Cleveland is packing the stands and the Palace looks like the World Series is still going on… “Is Cleveland that much more exciting to watch than we are? Do they just have super loyal fans? Is Kyrie Irving that much of a superstar, already? Or maybe its because they play in the city vice suburb.” The Cavaliers have finished each season since “The Decision” with a worse record than we had. So winning can’t be the cause of sellout crowd attendance. Maybe its because Cleveland is choosing to sink and swim and play their young players. They may not have much of a choice, but they boast two 1st picks in their starting back court. Throw in Zeller and Thompson, and they have 1st and 2nd year guys that contribute heavily. Other than Irving obviously being head and shoulders above Knight in talent and point guard play; I would take our core of young players of Monroe, Drummond, Singer, English any day over Cleveland’s young guys any day. Include Irving and Knight and a case could still be made that we have the better young core.

    • Dec 9, 20129:03 am
      by Vic

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      Are they an hour away from the city? Probably not.

      • Dec 9, 20125:32 pm
        by Quin

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        That’s a great point. Gores should just call up whatshisface and sell it.  Although, I’m not too keen on having the RedWings play anywhere but that corner of downtown they call Joe Louis. I can’t stand those fans, and I live downtown.

    • Dec 9, 201210:00 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      When I saw the cavs fans last night…It made me wonder how does a 4 team, without their closest to star play, and their top 5 pick this year get those many people to attend a game verse the Pistons a 6 win team, with no real star player?

      they must have received something for free  

    • Dec 10, 201211:46 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      Maybe they just came out to see them play the Piston, because that might have thought that they had a chance to win the game.

  • Dec 9, 20127:17 am
    by ryan

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    Looking at our roster as it is right now I see some holes but fewer than I expected. If we could strip away Jason Maxiell, Charlie Villanueva, Austin Daye and Corey Maggette right now I would be very interested to see what the youngsters, plus Prince, could do. I fervently hope that we do get a look at our second round picks at some point since we need to assess them prior to summer’s draft and free agent signing period.

    Right now I’d say we have a strong need for any of the following 1) a pass first point guard who doesn’t turn ball over and plays above average defense (I hope Brandon Knight will make this less necessary as he progresses) 2) a shooting guard with legitimate size, and the ability to play well off the ball while defending NBA wings (Kim English or Kris Middleton might fit the bill here I don’t know.) 3) a young small forward prospect and 4) a big fella with a mean streak and high level rebounding and defense.

    Which of these needs can we fill in free agency? Which can we fill in the draft? If we get a high pick should we still go with a big fella if he’s the best available player?

    I know we’re only a quarter of the way through the season but it’s already obvious we’ve got a lot of work to do and holes to fill.

  • Dec 9, 20128:02 am
    by gmehl

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    I know this article is on Knight but i was reading this rookie watch story on Drummond at cleveland.com and thought you guys might like it. Have a read of the cavs fans comments about Drummond and Knight. Most of them think that we got a steal in Drummond and that they should of taken Knight instead of Thompson even though they already had Irving.

    http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2012/12/nba_rookie_watch_detroits_andr.html 

  • Dec 9, 20128:38 am
    by Bugsygod

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    My Dream off season — sign Milsap for first big off bench 10-12mil a yr,  sign OJ mayo to start at the two guard 9-11mil yr, sign maynor backup pg 3-4mil, sign Sheed for fourth big an to teach Drummond/Monroe 2mil? Lil over the vet minimum.  Do not resign Max an the others. Amnesty cv. This gives about 30mil in cap space.  
    Starters Knight, mayo, prince, Monroe, Drummond. Bench: Milsap, Sheed, Slava up front. Singler & Middleton behind prince.  English behind mayo. Maynor behind knight.  Use the lottery pick for a top Sf to replace prince one day.  Stuckey, Jerbko traded for more picks Or for better pg or Sf. 
    @
    i think those Fa’s are all bball players first, work hard and would fit in well with detroits culture/community. You may have to over pay a little bit but I’m sure those guys have no problem coming to Detroit.  Not sure if Cuban can resign mayo because he’s looking for max players. Dwight, Paul etc. 

    • Dec 9, 20128:57 am
      by Clint in Flint

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      Your Dream Off season sounds good but as long as you still have Frank you will still have a losing season.

    • Dec 9, 20129:35 am
      by ryan

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      Sounds good but it’s hard to see Paul Millsap coming off the bench. I love that guy but he’s a starter unless he’s going to a very good team which we’re not. Still well worth a look to see if he’s interested.

      I didn’t realize OJ Mayo would be a free agent next summer but he and Eric Maynor would both be nice additions as well.

      I also really like the Rasheed Wallace idea, I’d even like Ben Wallace back if there is room. Put those guys in teaching roles if they want them.

      Aaron McKie is a young coach I’d like to see us take a chance on when the time comes to dump Lawrence Frank. I’m also interested in Jeff Van Gundy or Nate McMillan depending on the circumstances. Frank doesn’t seem good enough to me.

  • Dec 9, 20129:48 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Welcome To “I HATE FRANKS CORNER”

    “A Knights Tale (NO HOMO)”

     Does any one remember the Heath Ledger Movie called a “Knight Tale”? If not here a real quick break down, Heath Ledger has a gift for jousting, but because of his ranking an perception he never get a chance to use his gift, suddenly he is given his opportunity to joust and he becomes of the best at jousting in all the land, but to uphold the image he has to pretend to be a Knight, however he doesnt do well acting like a Knight…. Anyway Google “Knight Tale”

    My point is Brandon Knight is a GIFTED scorer at the PG position ALWAYS has been, Only Knight , Lebron James, and Greg Oden were named Gatorade player of the year in High school twice, and Knight was known for his scoring and leadership and at Kentucky he was their best scorer, but he doesnt do well at pretending to be a game managing PG! …. Knight in the first 21 games of this season is clearly like it or not, OUR BEST option on OFFENSE (Especially with Monroe Struggles). I have yet to see a guard that can consistently, keep him out of the lane, he is also either drawing contact and finishing around the basket much better than last year….( I will come back to that later)

    Also, His three ball ….. Has become more and more confident, and he shot it over 40% for most of the season….Last year his 3 ball was more about spotting up, and not rhythm shooting, now if he is off the ball he is knocking down the three or he is moving around picks and screens to knock down the three ball.

    Back to Knight attacking the basket…Last year he only averaged 2.1 FT attempts last year….This year he has averaged 4.2 …. in the last 7 games he is averaging 6 plus attempts…. (Given some times FT attempt numbers are trick with techs and last game fouls) but if you watch the games you can see the effort he is making to draw contact and get to the line…His mid range game has to improve, but you can say the same for soo many combo guards

    Now back to the Movie, Eventually Health Ledger becomes the best jouster in the land, and a respected Knight.

    Moral of the story

    If you Let Knight play his Game, SCORING and ATTACKING the defense, eventually defenses will look to double,trap and collapse on Knight… which will allow him to use his respectable PG abilities.

    And we will live HAPPILY EVER AFTER!

    The End

     

    • Dec 9, 201210:38 am
      by Victor

      Reply

      awful movie… entertaining story by the hater above though…

      • Dec 9, 20125:34 pm
        by Quin

        Reply

        You’re crazy, Victor.  That has to be one of the most watchable feel-good movies I’ve ever seen.  It’s like I could watch it back-to-back-to-back (with my girlfriend. eherm).

        • Dec 9, 20126:20 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

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          LOL! …Decent Movie …. it is entertaining…. I was looking at it after the game last night… thats why I titled it that

    • Dec 10, 201211:49 am
      by MIKEYDE248

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      We all have to remember that the guy just turned 21, give the guy some time to develope.

  • Dec 9, 201210:14 am
    by Vic

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    My dream off season:
    Trade Prince
    Draft Tony Mitchell and Nate Wolters
    Don’t resign anyone. Amnesty CV. Don’t overpay for Mayo.
    2014 sign Eric Bledsoe

    2013 lineup
    Knight/Wolters
    Stuckey/English
    Singler/Jerebko/middleton
    Monroe/Mitchell 
    Drummond/slava 

    Monroe is slumping right now because he is basing his offense on a triple threat from the high post. But he only has 1 threat – the drive. He wants to play with Drummind because Drummind gives him 2 threats – the drive and the pass. He doesn’t have confidence in his shot so there’s no 3rd threat yet. He needs to stop hesitating and let it fly like Maxiell. A Laimbeer would have coached that out of him by now. Now that Stuckey and Knight have found their games… When Monroe finds his the Pistons will be good. More Drommond less Maggette, more English less CV, and they will stop giving away leads in the 2nd half 

     

    • Dec 9, 201210:33 am
      by Vic

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      Oh and we must have Laimbeer in my dream too… 2013 or 2014. We don’t have two ball dominant unstoppable scorers like OKC does, so there’s no hope for a championship without good coaching decisions and getting the Max out of players

      • Dec 9, 201210:34 am
        by Vic

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        Without them being in contract years

        • Dec 9, 201210:52 am
          by Vic

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          Case in point, even Lebron couldn’t win it all until his coach decided toget more out of him by playing the best 3 in the league as a 4. Superior talent +  Executive coaching decisions lead to championships. 

          • Dec 9, 20122:09 pm
            by sloppy joe

            is that why lebron won the title last year?

    • Dec 9, 201210:33 am
      by I HATE FRANK

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      Monroe was suppose to work on his jumper…but he does not confident when he takes it, and actually looks like he has switched his shooting motion up….

      Now I will say this…and I do not side with Frank at all!!!

      But if he is NOT playing Drummond and Monroe together because of the fact that Monroe is not making or is not taking that 15-17 foot jumper with confident … Then I understand… I dont like it but I understand ….

      Monroe has not been decisive on offense….and although he is a willing passing, the best passing big men are threat to score in that High Post set… more and more teams are daring monroe to take that shot…and they are waiting for him to drive the ball…as soon as he start his dribble they collapse on him cause turnover or awkward looking shots…

      He Needs to make that jumper…. I thought he had it in his game, but I guess not 

       

      • Dec 9, 201210:37 am
        by I HATE FRANK

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        Monroe was suppose to work on his jumper…but he does not look confident when he takes it, and actually looks like he has switched his shooting motion up all of a sudden, not a good sign….
        Now I will say this…and I do not side with Frank at all!!!
        But if he is NOT playing Drummond and Monroe together because of the fact that Monroe is not making or is not taking that 15-17 foot jumper with confident … Then I understand… I dont like it but I understand ….
        Monroe has not been decisive on offense….and although he is a willing passer, the best passing big men are threat to score in that High Post set… more and more teams are daring monroe to take that shot…and they are waiting for him to drive the ball…as soon as he start his dribble they collapse on him cause turnovers or awkward looking shots…
        He Needs to make that jumper…. I thought he had it in his game, but I guess not 

      • Dec 9, 201210:49 am
        by Vic

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        But the threat to pass is just as good as the threat to shoot. 2/3 is better than 1/3! That’s why he instantly gets assists as soon as he’s on the floor with DrummOnd. A good coach gets that 2/3 instead of watching his best player get scouted out of the game.

        A great coach makes his best player shoot that shOT until he gets confidence in it. You can’t let them take your supposed best player out of the game mentally.

        • Dec 9, 201211:05 am
          by I HATE FRANK

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          i agree…but thats not the coach we have….

          Example: against the Bulls and Cavs… Charlie is scoring… He is stretching the floor

          But he is not rebounding or defending….. 

          An opposing coach knows that Charlie can score, but they also know he’s not going to be effective as a defender or rebounder… so unless he is going off on offense…its no reason to adjust to match up  …because in essence you are just trading baskets…. 

          But if Monroe isnt winning his match up..or holding his own…then as a team their has to be a decision made…

          like i said…i dont like frank decision and i also think this is when you have wonder about whats going on with Jonas…. i dont like it…it all seems personal… But Jonas rebounds, defends and can score the ball….

           

  • Dec 9, 201210:23 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    THE ADJUSTMENT ID LIKE TO SEE

    Teams are starting to punish Singler off of screen, and him having to match up against quicker players and chasing them around the court…its killing him and us on defense 

    Singler in returns…comes to the other end of the floor (BY DESIGN) and Spots up somewhere behind the 3 point line… Occasionally he will use a pick to get open and shoot the jumper, but he is not pressing his defender at all…..

    Last Singler was matched up again Gibson… 6’2 or 6’3 …not known for his defense… 6’8 Singler should have been posting him up every time… because if they switch on defense it still becomes a match up problem for the cavs some were on the floor…

    Could have done the same thing against Chicago with Hinrich an Belenelli …..6’3 and 6’5 smaller physically and not known for their defense….

    Even against Philly Evan Turner and Richardson is going to attack Singler, we can’t let them rest against Singler…..(BY DESIGN) Singler at 6’8 should be posting up the less defense SG’s in the league…

    that how Singler can make them work and make defenses adjust to him…. 

    • Dec 9, 20126:16 pm
      by ryan

      Reply

      Very good point. We’re not taking advantage of what Singler has and getting abused because of what he doesn’t have that’s just foolish.

      • Dec 9, 20126:25 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        its poor coaching

  • Dec 9, 201211:24 am
    by basketballistruth

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    I say number one goal this offseason (in free agency) is to sign Josh Smith, give him whatever he wants.  

    Drafting the athletic SF Tony Mitchell would be a good choice in free agency too 

    • Dec 9, 201211:26 am
      by basketballistruth

      Reply

      oops, I meant in the 2013 draft

    • Dec 9, 20121:34 pm
      by Vic

      Reply

      Love Josh Smith, but can’t agree with ‘whatever he wants’

      Especially since we still need a coach to contend, and there are so many talented PFs in this draft
      Poythress
      PlumleE
       Zeller
      Mitchell
      Noel
      Austin
      Gobert
      Patrick Young 

      This draft is not as deep as 2012 (30 deep) but it’s not half as bad as 2011 (10 deep). 2013 draft is about 20 deep and it’s mostly power forwards.

      The Pistons are actually in a very good position. The pieces they need, they either already have but arent using correctly yet, or are waiting for them in the draft.

      The only guy I’d spend money for is Eric Bledsoe in 2014. The rest i’d build from within.

  • Dec 9, 20121:00 pm
    by bob

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    Marcus Smart brings exactly what Detroit needs in the 2013 draft.  That kid is awesome.

    • Dec 9, 20121:28 pm
      by Jon

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      he’s a combo guard. we already have two of those

    • Dec 9, 20121:36 pm
      by Vic

      Reply

      He’d be great, but if we chose him in the first round we’d have to go with a lesser pF in the 2nd round. Patrick Young maybe

      • Dec 9, 20122:09 pm
        by Vic

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        Marcus is definitely the truth but if they go pg in the first round I’d rather take Michael Carter Williams. 6’6 point guard, perfect complement to BK, can dominate a game without scoring, just with passing rebounding and getting steals. Also tall enough to defend sgs. Leads the nation in assists. Struggling at 3 this year but shOT 39% last year. 

        • Dec 9, 20122:36 pm
          by Vic

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          MCW is like a 6’6 version of Andre Miller… Gets the most out of his bigs and makes the game easier. perfect complement to scoring guard Ty Lawson… But can play on the floor with him.

  • Dec 9, 20121:02 pm
    by Bugsygod

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    In one of the Detroit papers on the pistons it mentioned knight was throwing up at halftime of the Golden state game.  Further explains that poor performance in the middle of a good run he is on.  over the last two weeks his PER  has jumped from 11 to close to 14 now.  If that continues to rise and get around the 17,18 range that will show the eye test is starting to pass the numbers test.   –clear short consise

  • Dec 9, 20123:45 pm
    by Cliff

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    dream, but wild trades:
    brandon knight for bledsoe
    moose for josh smith (ofc knowing that he will resign)

    • Dec 9, 20123:59 pm
      by Jay

      Reply

      I don’t see this helping the team grow? 

    • Dec 9, 20125:30 pm
      by Mark

      Reply

      ugh, those would be the opposite of dream trades for me. 

      Knight >>> Bledsoe, and Josh Smith is “McGee Lite” who I want no part of. 

      • Dec 9, 20126:51 pm
        by tarsier

        Reply

        I don’t know if Knight is better than Bledsoe because Bledsoe hasn’t had much opportunity to prove himself. But given the available info, I would definitely rather have Knight. And he also definitely has more value of the two. Also, you way underrate Smoove (in what universe is McGee better than him?), but Monroe is still a more valuable asset.

        Basically, you are overvaluing what the Pistons would give up in these trade suggestions, undervaluing what they’d get, and they are still terrible deals. That’s how awful Cliff’s suggestions were.

  • Dec 9, 20126:16 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    LOL… Knight Deserved an A+ for this game… to judge him for whether or not he can do it again… has nothing to do with this game….

    And he played good defense on Pargo, Pargo was making some tough buckets….

    Knight scored 23 points in the 2nd half….4 ast, 4rebs ….(do you know how many uncontested lay-ups Lebron has every game)

    Go back edit it…and Give the man an A+ 

    • Dec 9, 20126:57 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      “to judge him for whether or not he can do it again… has nothing to do with this game”

      Agreed.

      “Knight Deserved an A+ for this game…”

      Possibly. But Patrick does grade him on a pretty tough scale. So it’s hard to say )as every grading scale is rather arbitrary anyway).

      But a guy also deserves less credit for hitting a great look that was gift-wrapped to him than for creating his own great look and hitting it.

      “do you know how many uncontested lay-ups Lebron has every game”

      Do you know how crazy it is that he is able to create those for himself in spite of being the first and second item on every opponent’s game plan?

      Also, why do you use so many ellipses? Once in a while you use them properly, but the vast majority of the time, there should be a period, a comma, or just a space. So what’s up with that? It feels like you are quoting someone and leaving out vast swaths of the original message. 

      • Dec 10, 20129:10 am
        by Patrick Hayes

        Reply

        Patrick did not grade him in this game. And also, if you look back at the recaps this season, Patrick is a decidedly easier grader than Dan.

        • Dec 10, 20129:47 am
          by tarsier

          Reply

          Fair, I’m always forgetting which of you writes what. In the comments, your name and picture is right there. On posts, it says who wrote it, but I’m more interested in the content and tend to forget. My bad.

          • Dec 10, 201210:03 am
            by Patrick Hayes

            One easy way to tell — if the recap is not published until like 16 hours after the game ends, then Feldman probably wrote that one.

  • Dec 9, 20127:26 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    i dont know why i do it, but I will work on it

    Also, i am not comparing Knight to Lebron, but the comment about uncontested lay- ups bothered me

    Knight makes 5-6 3′s , and it gets over analyzed, instead of just saying he had a great shooting knight.

    How would you Grade Knight? For last nights game? 

    • Dec 9, 20127:46 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      I don’t really care, I was just curious.

      Like I said, I don’t know the scale. but I think I’d give him an A. An A+ is something I think of as a fake grade for unreal level performances.

      • Dec 9, 20128:30 pm
        by I HATE FRANK

        Reply

        If A+ is for the 20pts 20reb games of 30pts 10 ast games or whatever … Then I agree

        • Dec 9, 20128:55 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          In my opinion, that is exactly the sort of situation when I’d give out such a grade. But I don’t know what everyone else’s A+ means.

          • Dec 9, 201210:40 pm
            by I HATE FRANK

            So at least we now have standard

  • Dec 9, 20127:27 pm
    by Nine_Fat_Stalks

    Reply

    Drummond was vastly underrated in the little write-up. He changed the whole tenor of the game.

  • Dec 9, 20127:43 pm
    by gmehl

    Reply

    I think it is time to sit Maggette and bring English into the rotation. We have Stuckey on the bench doing what Maggette does. Thoughts??

    • Dec 9, 201210:43 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      OR Let Jonas play some SF….

      Only positive Maggette brings to he game is that when the other team is on a run, he has a knack for getting to the line but it only temporary stops the run 

      • Dec 10, 20121:43 am
        by gmehl

        Reply

        That’s just it though…Maggette hasn’t even been going that (getting to the line).

  • Dec 9, 20128:26 pm
    by hirobeats

    Reply

    Please forgive me ahead of time. I’m usually a bit better behaved, but are you kidding me with this Knight analysis?

    I try to stay even keel on this site, but look… Are we really going to break down how he scored his points and try to diminish the value of his 30 point night? And even though “I Hate Frank” be wildin’ out sometimes. He has a point, unless we are talking about an ALL WORLD offensive player like LebronKobeDurantMelo, (and these guys too actually) Most 18+ point scorers get a ton of there points off break-aways, assisted jumpers, and free throws. What can be inferred from your analysis is that it isn’t encouraging/impressive unless he scores 30 off of isolation basketball… That’s REALLY REALLY nit-picky..

    Do you remember Rip? Did he not score 80% of his points off assisted open jumpers, and the foul line? He played 2-time All-Star, borderline elite level SG here doing just that! I know he played a different position, but we aren’t talking about the role of a point guard, your critique was on his scoring.  Knight played within his game. He hit his open jumpers, got to the lane and scored a few times, and got to the line and converted. It wasn’t like anything particularly fortunate happened to him this game, or he got easy, assisted opportunities that he usually doesn’t. (With the one exception of the breakaway steal, I’d like to see more of that though)

    Granted he made more of those open shots than usual, so certainly not saying that he can score 30 every time. But geez, over the past 10 games he has averaged over 18 ppg, that’s not bad! I know we all want him to assist more and be a true PG, but I don’t accept that that is required for either us to be a successful team, or him to pan out into a non-bust, generally-acknowledged-good-basketball player. That is to say, if he is to mature into a 18-20ppg, and 5-6 assist guy, he/we will be fine! OBVIOUSLY he needs to take better care of the ball, ABSOLUTELY RIGHT he should be critiqued for that. Dan, with respect, your apology on harping on his negatives is noted, and I do appreciate you saying that. Nevertheless, with such a nit-picky critique on was indisputably a very good game for him, it’s hard to ignore the possibility that you just might not be a fan of B. Knight. I could be wrong, and even if I’m not, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But then again, So am I. That was an at least an A performance in his young career.  

    • Dec 9, 201210:47 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      Yeah, Patrick’s expectations for Knight do seem to be really high. And I would certainly give Knight an A. That said, how huge of a deal is it that your assessments of his game vary by a third of a letter grade? I mean A- and A are pretty darn close, right?

      • Dec 9, 201211:03 pm
        by hirobeats

        Reply

        That’s kinda my point. It seem’s like the minus was just a spite thing. A bit of hate-o-rade if you will. 

        • Dec 10, 20122:18 am
          by jerrific

          Reply

          I think the minus had more to do with defense than scoring. Obviously Knight shot the ball very well, but the negative tone of his grade had more to do with what we can expect on a game-to-game basis than it was a knock on his performance in this game. However, Pargo is not an elite scorer by any means, and he put up 24 while being guarded mostly by Knight. That’s enough to turn a great shooting Knight (see what i did there?) from an A to an A-. 

          • Dec 10, 20129:38 am
            by hirobeats

            @tarsier. My gripe isn’t really with the grade it’s with the analysis. If he had have said, “Great shooting night, but has to play better D” and gave him an A- or even a B+, I promise I wouldn’t have tripped. But instead harping on what he actually needed to improve on (like his defense), he spent most of the write up analyzing the nature of the baskets he score, and arguing against  their merit. They’re were negatives to the game he played, have those be a knock on him. But knock him for capitalizing on open shots, and say that that isn’t encouraging. As if to suggest that unless he isn’t wide open, he will always be ineffective. I sternly disagree with that notion. 

          • Dec 10, 20129:58 am
            by tarsier

            that’s understandable

      • Dec 10, 20129:09 am
        by Patrick Hayes

        Reply

        @tarsier:

        My expectations are high, but I also did not write this.

        • Dec 10, 201212:42 pm
          by I HATE FRANK

          Reply

          So what is an A+ Performance?

          Also, has anyone come close to that A+ ?

          Only player I can Think of would be Greg when he got the triple double, but we lost the game..

          • Dec 10, 20121:01 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            We don’t have an A+ player on this team right now, so I doubt I’d give an A+ this season. I know I’ve given Monroe, Drummond and possibly Knight and Prince A’s before. I don’t give them often, but I’m a bit more liberal with my use of a full A than Dan is. I do get his reasoning, though. It’s hard to give players on a bad team an A. Doesn’t mean they’re bad, they’re just not good yet either, and even in their great performances, including this one by Knight, you can usually still pinpoint one or two things they didn’t do particularly well. I tend to grade on a curve, he tends not to. Just a difference of opinion, but there’s merit to both sides.

  • Dec 9, 20128:41 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    @hiro I agree and Yeah I do wildout… But its all in the name of fun lol

  • Dec 9, 20129:14 pm
    by domnick

    Reply

    i believe bk will be an elite player.. 30-points is still 30-points and he is playing hurt…

    the obvious guy who isn’t hurt but struggling is — GREG MONROE… so we need to criticize him more than bk because this guy is really playing well…

    i wanna see him play against kyrie irving again!

  • Dec 10, 20123:43 am
    by piston moribund

    Reply

    Dear Patrick,
    I think you have an outstanding blog and follow it religiously, as I do with the pistons and all sport in general.  That being said, Wally, I think you were being a little hard on the Beaver last night.  While your critic on BK is on point, and I do agree that we should hold him to a higher standard, the “kid” is just a kid and since we have all been a “kid” at some point and even now, growth demands some kind of growing pains and his growth, as substantiated by you and your crew has been documented.  He has made ample adjustments to his game for the betterment of the franchise which is more then I can say for pretty much all of the team, Moose included.  I would say IMHO that while I still do scream at some of his bone head plays, at least he is not making excuses and is trying to correct his mistakes through hard work.  Since you have probably taken Psych 101, you know of confirmation bias.  If we look hard enough, we can pretty much justify anything we see from our own perspective.  Maybe it would help to take yourself out of the statistic equation for a moment and appreciate the growth of this young man.  Maybe he isn’t as talented as the other point guards or doesn’t have the god given talent as the other point guards, but maybe we should all learn to appreciate his work ethic.  Talent is nothing without hard work and for every talented baller in the NBA, there is always going to be someone more talented who never made it because they didnt have the work ethic.  Give me a hard worker over talent any day, thats something that I can quantify. 
    All my Best.
     
     

    • Dec 10, 20129:08 am
      by Patrick Hayes

      Reply

      Thank you. I did not write this post though.

      • Dec 10, 20129:23 am
        by Crispus

        Reply

        Haha people are really missing the byline on this one.

      • Dec 10, 20121:52 pm
        by MIKEYDE248

        Reply

        I’m starting to think you didn’t write this post.

  • Dec 10, 20129:22 am
    by vic

    Reply

    Knight is what he is, he’s not a game dominator, but he is a scorer that plays hard and competes. 

    A 30 point Knight is really good for him. I agree on the minus only because of defense, turnovers.

    But I’ve moved on from over analyzing Knight. I think we’ve seen 90% of what he will be – a scorer, a leader by example, a hustler and a winner. That’s good enough for an eventual championship guard rotation.

    Now they need to focus on building around him with a taller and more playmaking SG or backup PG. Michael Carter Williams or Nate Wolters is my suggestion in the draft. 

    Once Greg Monroe can shoot again, or pass to Drummond from the High post, his triple threat will be back, and he can be used to initiate most of the offense. 

    • Dec 10, 201212:38 pm
      by I HATE FRANK

      Reply

      Knight can be as good as if not better than Tony Parker…

      http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/1015/tony-parker

      Look at Parker first few years in the league….  I believe overtime Knight will understand his limitation, and he will focus on his ability to get to the basket and finish, and the 3 ball will become his secondary weapon … then eventually he will become a better passer because teams will first respect him as a scorer…

  • Dec 10, 20129:26 am
    by Victor

    Reply

    Why people don’t look for the author in the begining of the posts?

    I’d hate to see my jokes credited to someone else.

    Just making sure that you won’t say Patrick is the funny guy here. I AM. 

  • Dec 10, 201210:37 am
    by Ahmed

    Reply

    I don’t like frank’s combination of player. He should leave. 

  • Dec 10, 201211:04 am
    by piston moribund

    Reply

    HAHAHAHAHAHA,
    I suppose everyone thinks you are a hard ass, myself included.  My apologies.

  • Dec 10, 201212:46 pm
    by apa8ren9

    Reply

    I noticed a small throw away line in Monroe’s grade box about a max extension.   Let me be the first to say there is no way in hell that Monroe is getting a Max extension from the Pistons.  He will get fair market value.  Now unless he starts throwing up 25 and 12 everynight from here on out there is no way this will happen.   He will probably end up with 12-13 per from the Pistons.   Whether or not he takes it…

    • Dec 10, 201212:59 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

      Reply

      If Hibbert got a max offer from another team as a restricted FA, Monroe will too.

    • Dec 10, 20121:31 pm
      by tarsier

      Reply

      So what is fair market value for a young big man on the rise who puts up 18 and 10 on good percentages but with mediocre defense (I know he isn’t putting up those numbers at the moment, but I think they would constitute reasonable expectations).

      In other words, 25 and 12 are the kinds of numbers put up by a guy who everyone in the league would love to have for a max deal. Monroe seems more like a Rudy Gay/Eric Gordon/Brook Lopez/James Harden (pre-trade) type (in value not playing style) where someone will probably be willing to give him a max deal but lots of people will speculate as to whether he was worth it or not.

    • Dec 10, 20121:49 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

      Reply

      Have you ever seen the Pistons pay a max contract?

      • Dec 10, 20122:05 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

        Reply

        No, but I’d be shocked if Monroe doesn’t hit restricted free agency and get a max offer. Players like Eric Gordon and Roy Hibbert did last year, and Monroe is in their category — guys who aren’t necessarily stars, but young and potential-filled enough that someone will give them star money and hope they continue to improve.

        • Dec 10, 20122:28 pm
          by apa8ren9

          Reply

          Im not disagreeing with you at all Patrick.   He wont get it from the Pistons was my point unless he improves a lot between now and the extension deadline.  I really believe that unless Monroe is a 25 and 12 guy, they will move him before paying the max.  Just throwin’ it out there.

          • Dec 10, 20122:32 pm
            by tarsier

            So you expect the Pistons to just let him go for no return?

        • Dec 10, 20123:15 pm
          by MIKEYDE248

          Reply

          We can only hope that Gores sticks to his guns and does what it takes to make the Pistons champions again and spend the money to keep the pieces he needs to win them.

      • Dec 10, 20122:30 pm
        by tarsier

        Reply

        Unless they can negotiate a below market value extension, he’ll get that offer. And it is hard to imagine the Pistons not matching. They’d be losing for nothing the biggest positive of a miserable rebuild.

        That’s why, if you can trade several prospects like Monroe for a legit superstar like CP3 or Dwight or LeBron or whatever, you do it every time. Because eventually, you will have to pay Monroe fair value anyway. You never will with a superstar because you can’t. The league won’ta llow you to pay them what they’re worth. 

        • Dec 10, 20122:44 pm
          by apa8ren9

          Reply

          @ tarsier .
          You are correct with that analysis and you should make that trade.  However, when it comes to the Pistons there is their track record with the matter and they dont overpay to the max. I see Gores (although I have no proof) as being the same when it comes to the Max contract matter.  Maybe its a moot point because the new CBA makes it more palatable?  I just think that the Pistons will convince themselves that they have leverage against Monroe with Drummond on board and will try to get him to take 12-13 FOR THE TEAM (heavy sarcasm).  If Monroe reaches restricted free agency – which I dont believe he will, and Drummond is continuing to develop into a legitimate top 5 center, then I see the Pistons making a trade.  We will see.

  • Dec 10, 20122:32 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

    Reply

    REASONS WHY I HATE FRANK

    “When we become an offense-first team, I’ll talk to you about (how) guys (are) being used,” Frank said. “But I don’t think so, you literally have to take it game-by-game. Working, every way you look at it. There’s been no difference with it.
    “Are we talking about defense, being used differently? When we become an offensive-first team, I’ll start talking about that.”

    From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121210/SPORTS0102/212100333#ixzz2Eg8ZVWna

    This foolishness comes after the media asked Greg about his recent struggles, and Greg saying he has been used differently on offense (NOTE: THEY DID NOT ASK WHY THE TEAM IS STRUGGLING)

    Everytime Frank says something stupid it needs to be reposted…. What coach says “When we become an offensive team first?”

    • Dec 10, 20122:53 pm
      by apa8ren9

      Reply

      This comes about because we have a coach that has a system that is inflexible.   Now I can only imagine Frank’s master plan is to have Monroe develop another facet of his game by changing his role in the offense. 
      In order to rectify the situation I guess Monroe needs to exercise the open door policy and ask his coach what the hell is going on?  Maybe he already did that and this is Monroe’s frustration when asked the question repeatedly.
       Maybe our media can ask Monroe if he has contacted his inflexible coach about this and received an answer he didnt like.  That would certainly be a better solution than making it seem like Frank is upset with Monroe’s performance and giving sarcastic answers. 

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