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Andre Drummond leads rookies in WARP

Kevin Pelton of Basketball Prospectus is evaluating every rookie so far:

9. Andre Drummond, Detroit (.672 Win%, 2.6 WARP)
Surprise! The NBA’s leader in WARP among rookies is one of this year’s biggest projects. Drummond continues to shoot a high percentage from the field (58.7 percent) and dominate the glass (he’s grabbing nearly 20 percent of all available rebounds while on the floor) in addition to making defensive plays. Lawrence Frank has gradually fed Drummond more minutes to the point where he rates as more valuable than players like Lillard in much bigger roles. They’re being asked to do more, so it’s certainly fair to downgrade Drummond’s value to some extent. Still, at this point his future is as promising as anyone in this class not named Anthony Davis.

Pelton makes a good point, that Andre Drummond’s success should be tempered by the fact that he’s not asked to do to much. But he’s met every challenge placed in front of him so far. It’s time to give him more responsibility.

25 Comments

  • Dec 13, 20125:00 pm
    by MIKEYDE248

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    I wonder why other coaches think that their rookies deserve more minutes if they aren’t contributing as much as Drummond only playing 18 minutes a game?  Maybe because they are better than our coach.

  • Dec 13, 20125:16 pm
    by AussieKaneFalkon

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    It’s because most of the other teams with top 10 rookies drafted that player due to positional needs.  Hence playing the rookie out of sheer requirement. Unlike the Pistons who drafted Andre into a log jam of veteran bigs. (Granted most are useless).  Don’t be to hasty to knock Franks strategy – I’d say he’s been given the instructions from the top to keep up the vets minutes.  Prince/Maxiell/Jonas/Charlie etc are all worthless if they are rotting on the bench.  Their trade value plummets they get grumpy and the Pistons rookies are exposed to a seriously disfunctional locker room at an early age.  Not a good start to their career.  Lets face it – by giving the vets decent minutes it at least provides a better opportunity for the Pistons to trade them THIS season.  I’ll be very very disappointed and disillusioned by COACH/GM if the Pistons go into next years season opener with the same squad and have not traded out a couple of vets. PEACE

    • Dec 13, 20125:27 pm
      by tarsier

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      Are you kidding me? Wasn’t everything Pistons last year all about needing another big to go with Monroe. About how Detroit lacked bigs. And it really isn’t a logjam. There’s just Monroe, Maxiell, CV, Drummond, Jerebko, and Slava. Out of 15 players on a roster, you will have, on average, 3 per position. So Detroit is right on track there at PF/C–if you count Jerebko and CV as PFs. I would argue both are combo forwards so they should really count as a SF and PF. Which makes just 5 bigs, below average.

      But let’s look at rotation caliber players. Clearly Slava is not seen that way. Jerebko ended up out of the rotation. And CV has no business in it.So that just leaves Monroe, Drummond, and Maxiell. There are easily plenty of minutes for all three f them. Logjam is not an issue.

      • Dec 13, 20125:34 pm
        by vic

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        facts 

      • Dec 14, 201210:18 am
        by Scott Free

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        Honestly, if Frank weren’t so slavish to rotations, he could probably find significant minutes for both CV AND Jerebko.

    • Dec 13, 201210:30 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

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      I agree with playing the vets to increase their trade value, but it just make them sooooo much harder to watch between now and the trade deadline.
      If there aren’t any trades and we don’t start to see a significant increase in playing minutes, it’s time to stop watching until next year and hope that either the coach, GM or some dead weight players are gone.

  • Dec 13, 20127:34 pm
    by AussieKaneFalkon

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    Nether-the-less i still think its important to maintain trade value for these vets.

  • Dec 13, 20128:47 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Maintain trade value? What are you talking about?

    Nobody want prince because of contract …. If anyone was interested in jonas they aren’t now, Maxiell is worth his expiring contract, and charlie V might have the most value as a player…but cmon what is we gonna get in return for him? He is a salary piece to a 3 way trade

  • Dec 13, 201210:04 pm
    by Mone

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    But we suck now… Why not give him a big role while we are in a losing season??? I still having seen one play drawn up for him, and it’s really pissing me off… He has size/athleticism  comparable to a young Shaq.. Why the hell not try to develop him??? It’s sucks that Pistons are just using him a a hustle/rebounding man, when he could be so much more..

  • Dec 13, 201211:34 pm
    by Haan

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    Problems with the mix on offense with Monroe are being underestimated as we puzzle over the limited use of Drummond.  How likely is it that when Monroe referred to not being put in positions to succeed he was referring to needing to move farther from the basket (along with his poor midrange jumper) to facilitate the integration of Drummond?  That along with Frank’s overabundant use of two soon to be ex Piston bigs, one of whom (Maxiell) admittedly has been playing at the peak of his potential.

  • Dec 14, 201212:30 am
    by Roit

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    why not give him 30mins?

  • Dec 14, 201212:33 am
    by Vince

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    Meanwhile, Greg Monroe gets absolutely no respect during the All Star voting - 
    http://www.slamonline.com/online/news-rumors/other-news/2012/12/all-star-13-first-balloting-returns/

    This is bull. Moose is getting absolutely no respect.

    • Dec 14, 20121:09 am
      by tarsier

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      Monroe is not playing at an all-star level this season. !5 and 9 with over 3 TOs, on 45% from the field and 71% from the line with poor defense from a big man are decidedly sub-all-star numbers. And he is on a bad team. That’ll hurt anyone in all-star voting. But Monroe comes far short of deserving to get in thus far anyway.

    • Dec 14, 20121:10 am
      by tarsier

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      He should be higher than Bynum, Stoudemire, Battier, and Green. But that is more a reflection of them getting too many votes than Moose getting too few.

      • Dec 14, 20122:49 am
        by Vince

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        I’m not saying he should be in the All Star game, his production isn’t as good as before, but the fact that Andrew Bynum and STAT amongst others, are getting more votes than him is just ridiculous. 

        I would’ve been happy with just seeing his name in the list of voted players, but heck,  not even making it when players who haven’t even stepped on the court get more votes than him? Thats just wrong. 

        • Dec 14, 20129:48 am
          by tarsier

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          Well yes. But once again, it’s not wrong in that Monroe is being snubbed. There are at least 30 players in the East who should be higher than those guys. It is wrong in that they are getting way too many votes.

          It’s like me saying that I got an unfair lot in life because I am looking at some undeserving ass who just inherited more than he could ever hope to spend. On the whole, I’ve got it pretty good. There are just others with absurd amounts of good fortune.

  • Dec 14, 20123:55 am
    by Piston Moribund

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    Being an allstar means that youre the popular group in school.  No one on the pistons team is very popular, they are the JVV team, even Moose.  Right now he is sucking it up big time playing horribly on a bad team.  I seem to recall Yao getting voted in when he was injured.  Stop wasting your energies.  Its like having a million friends on FB, doesnt mean anything anymore.  He is going to have to earn his respect.  Trade him for Love any day of the week. 

    • Dec 14, 20128:22 am
      by Vince

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      Agreed, but I still believe he needs some recognition. 

    • Dec 14, 20129:49 am
      by tarsier

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      Really you’d trade Monroe for an all-NBA 1st teamer? Shocking!!! (sarcasm)

  • Dec 14, 20123:56 am
    by Zekekhaseli

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    Move Moose to 4 then he’ll get respect

  • Dec 14, 20127:48 am
    by I HATE FRANK

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    Well we could have drafted John Henson

  • Dec 14, 20129:34 am
    by Swish22

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    Don’t know why wed haven’t seen Monroe and Drummond playing together. I believe Drummond should be the starting center and Monroe should be the pf. It’s pretty clear he’s physically overmatched at center most nights. I think NOW is the time to make the move. Monroe needs this argueably more than the Pistons fans need to see Drummond starting. Stuckey seems to be looking for Dre when penetrating which is encouraging.

  • Dec 14, 20129:54 am
    by Corey

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    I think they are afraid of the shift hurting Moose’s play, which seems insane when he’s playing poorly anyway.

    It’s also odd since it’s becoming blindingly obvious that Drummond is the center of the future for the team.  Monroe might as well start learning to play PF.

    It’s also odd, come to think of it, that I keep reading in Langlois articles that PF and C are almost identical in Frank’s system, and then in a different article I read about this “big adjustment” for Monroe to shift.

  • Dec 15, 20126:54 am
    by Confused

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    I’m also confused why Andre is only getting 18 minutes a game. When he enters a game he’s a difference maker. Whats more confusing is he’s open underneath the basket and I mean a lot and they don’t pass him the ball.
    I would start him and have Max come off the bench he’s a energy player. If the draft were done all over again he would be a top 3 pick. One more thing in last nights game he had 8 points, 9 rebounds 7 of them on the offensive boards and 3 block shots in 18 minutes go figure,
    I could understand if he was under performing but he’s not. he’s been fun to watch and has given us hope for the future.

     

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