Yeah, the Pistons lost to the Magic. Yeah, Andre Drummond continues to not play enough to satisfy most fans. But on the bright side, he did play enough to do the things above.
Nov 17, 2012 • 6:30 amby EMBRACE THE PROCESS
Drummonds production really does take away the bitterness of the loss, because I think is he just gonna get better
Nov 17, 2012 • 7:33 amby JMaxForever
I respect your opinion. But this lost still taste sour to me. Coach L is not our headcoach of the future. He is slow in making adjusment. Doesnt hv the respect from the player a really good coach should have.
Nov 17, 2012 • 8:23 amby EMBRACE THE PROCESS
But When Drummond plays well, it hopefully makes Pistons decision maker to question Frank more and more….
btw: Drummond Gave up maybe 4 pts that game…. but Maxiel could not defend Big Baby….Defensively Maxiel is the liability not Drummond, because whatever he doesnt know he makes up for it in size, athleticism, and instinct
I cant find the other Dunk he had off the steal…
Nov 17, 2012 • 8:41 amby Clint in Flint
Sorry, losing isn’t fun. I keep imagining what the team would look like with a real coach.
The team did play with a lot of energy that had been missing on a lot of nights.
If Frank pulls Singleer for Stuckey I’ll know he’s missing several pages in his coaching manual, After the assortment of so called coaches we have had to put up with I believe we are due a real coach not another coach in training.
Nov 17, 2012 • 9:08 amby bugsygod
PLAY DRUMMOND MORE THAN 15 MINUTES A GAME!! YOUR DEFENSE WILL BE BETTER. Just watching the game i always comment when that should be a “drummond” play. Meaning he should have been in the game to alter or block a shot. We have such a lay up line,but refuse to play our REAL shotblockers. Yes max is in position, gives you toughness, but Drummond gives you size, talent and athletism. We have been screaming for a plyer like drummond, hes good, better than we thought, but still refuse to play him more than 15minutes. what would have if (gasp) he played 25 mintues, OMG the entire team would just fall apart(strong sarcasm). DUMB COACHING!
Nov 17, 2012 • 9:08 amby Vic
It’s funny that the biggest improving adjustment to this team, even with all the losses… Has been made by Stuckey, to put himself in a better situation for his success and the success of the team. Usually coaches would do that.
Nov 17, 2012 • 9:10 amby bugsygod
i THOUGHT with the way Frank played Knight last year that he would be good for the young players and develop. NOW it seems with Drummond, that we have to use kid gloves, with a player that is really dominant when he plays. Defense rotations, sometimes slow, sometimes out of position and gets caught watching. HOWEVER he is a STRONG deterrent when other players are just walking down the lane for layups and watching maxiel use all of his 6’5″ body try and jump out of the gym to block a shot. smh
Nov 18, 2012 • 6:21 pmby T Casey
Well, you do have to remember that last year Frank didn’t move Knight into the starting lineup because of his play. He did so, just like with Singler, because Stuckey had gotten injured and then realized that not only was Knight our best option at pg, but that Stuckey was better as a sg. So far all of the lineup adjustments we’ve made as a team that have improved our play have happened because of injuries creating openings, not because Frank made adjustments.
So it’s no surprise that Frank has Drummond still riding the bench. As it stands, the most likely way Drummond ends up in the starting lineup is if Maxiell gets injured and Frank finally realizes that Drummond gives us a better chance at winning the hard way.
Nov 17, 2012 • 10:42 amby Visions
Frank is a very limited coach in seeing the whole picture. He is rigid, closed minded, inflexible and set in a pattern, even when losing there is no awakening. He can’t see the long range potential of this team. He refuses to or is unware of empowering his player. Why did it take so long to have Drummond and Monroe play together??? How can a young team grow if they don’t play…Why not empower and play other players… If they are losing why not play other players….His comments about inserting players don’t make sense to me…The Pistons will continue to regress unless Frank’s change his limited rigid mind set. He’s not open for development. Dumars makes poor choices for coaches. He will probably pay a severe price for his decisions.
Nov 17, 2012 • 11:03 amby Travis
I’ve been on the “get off Frank’s back” bandwagon the past month, but only playing Drummond 15 minutes a night is getting absurd after last night’s game.
I realize Coach Frank is looking for a slip-up in Maxiell’s production to award Pimp Juice more minutes, but seriously, what’s 4-5 more minutes of Drummond on the court with the first unit?
I’m just another fan that has no idea how to coach, but player development this season doesn’t mean giving a rookie that can defend the paint without fouling out in 5 minutes, only 15 minutes of playing time. It would be different if Drummond was picking up bad fouls, but he’s not.
Nov 17, 2012 • 1:58 pmby PISSED-ON!
Im tired of Youtube vids just start the damn man already so we dont have to pick point his good stuff when hes on the court for only 10 mins
Nov 17, 2012 • 2:59 pmby Butterscotch
To begin with, Mr. Gores and his people made a huge mistake by taking L.Frank over Mike Woodson . Joe D. wanted Mike Woodson, which would have been a much better fit for this team. Frank has not once provided a logical explanation as to why he has not started Drummond in the starting line up. Yes, you can learn from watching, but most of the learning that one gets is from doing. We are not winning with Maxiell in the starting line-up. Plus he is not part of the future of this team. If Frank is not starting Drummond, he should be giving him majority of the minutes at PF or C. I don’t like Singler starting at the 2. He should be starting at the 3, with Tay coming off the bench. I am so frustrated because I don’t believe that Frank is committed to developing our young talent like Knight, Drummond, Singilar and English. Mr. Gores blew it, by not hiring Woodson. Get rid of Franks now. He has proven that he can not make adjustments when the Pistons lose their momentum late in games. For example, the close loses to OKC, Houston and the latest loss to the lowly Magic, which I believe is less talented than our team. All of these games were poorly coached. By the way, what is the word on Kim English? Why can’t he get some minutes, especially when we go through many scoreless possessions?
This is a plea to Mr. Gores. Please ,please please move past MAxiell and Prince and insist that the coach that you hired play the young talent of the Pistons future. Right now we are losing games hanging on to these veteran. Could the team be worse playing the young guys and getting them some exerience? At least it would make it more bareable to watch! Kyle Singilar and Drummond play hungry. Another thing, I would also throw CV out there and make him play. I know that is not a popular idea right now, but he maKES way too much money to sit and rot on the bench. Maybe another team might spot him and make an offer for him. Same goes for Daye. He can’t be more aweful than WILL BYNUM!!!! Package CV and Daye and get a PG. There are a few teams that have some good PG’s on the bench,ie Clippers, OKC, and Sacramento. Please get Brandon some help. I know you said that you want playoffs now and I know you need fans to fill those seats. These are just a few suggestions. I no longer live in Michigan but when I did I was a season ticket holder (4Yrs. ago) I live in Illinois now and come back to Michigan often. I used to make the trip to the Auburn Hills to watch my boys play but not even Gladys Knight can get me to come watch them play because of the insanity that I witness night after night from watching the Pistons from my League Pass. This is a terrible product that Frank is putting on the floor. NOT a terrible team.
To this end, thank you for the video of Drummond. It gives me some hope for the Piston organization’s future. Thanks for allowing me to cleanse and get some things off my chest.
Nov 17, 2012 • 2:59 pmby Pratik
I woke up at 6am, here in India to watch this game. Lived in Ann Arbor my entire life, Pistons fan since I was born. And this loss really hurts.
Was hoping to see a post which read Lawrence Frank has been fired. Joe Dumars has never shown so much patience when the team was doing well. Yes this team is far from making the playoffs, but each one of them believe that they should have been playing at least .500 basketball. Instead of blowing 4 games now where they have led by double digits, only to let the other team walk away with the win.
I mean somewhere you can’t just keep blaming the players. In that 3rd quarter where tayshaun was on fire and went absolutely crazy, making back to back plays, was great to see. But you can’t play the starters the entire quarter, only to see the other team make a run and cut it to 3, and then take out your starters and play the bench? When we were up by 14, coach frank should have brought in the bench, the starters did their job, and were honestly tired playing the entire quarter. You have to give the bench something to work with. And then he overplayed the bench in the 4th quarter. WTF, im tired of this shit. Wish we hired Mike Woodson for the job, would at least be dominant in the locker room and motivate the shit out of his players. We always have to play catch up in the win column and it’s looking like another 4-20 start. Its not like were not competing, just not playing a full game. Coaching has been very very disappointing, it’s unacceptable to blow big leads in almost every game in the first 10, and only win on the road once. Yes, were not going to be a good road team, but we should easily be 3-0 at home right now, which would have put us to 4-6. Disappointment.
Also, yes temporarily offense looks good with Singler at the 2, but you can’t keep Rodney out of the game. I would rather have Tayshaun sit and put Singler at the 3. I know that Tayshaun and Jason Maxiell are playing great basketball, but there just not part of the rebuilding process, rather trade them while there playing great and bring in Drummond and Kyle into the starting lineup, which would look like Knight, Stuckey, Singler, Monroe, and Drummond. I would also trade Stuckey soon, if he doesn’t perform after this season. Joe D needs to make some moves now, or else the Palace is going to continue to be EMPTY for the rest of the season. I hope Gores interferes, because he’s the only one that seems passionate about the team doing well this year and not years from now.
Nov 17, 2012 • 3:09 pmby Butterscotch
It hurts me to say this, but we must look to trade Stuckey if he can’t get it together soon. I just can’t believe that he is willing to come off the bench behind Singler. I am disappointed. No disrespect to Kyle, he is a 3.
Nov 17, 2012 • 3:42 pmby Pratik
List of coaches currently available to replace Frank:
Flip Saunders – Was always a great coach to have during the season, he wasn’t good at winning playoff games, but the offense sure looked good with him when he was around
Patrick Ewing - I believe he applied for the Pistons position when it was open, would be great for Monroe and Drummond pairing and developing Monroe, and the players would have respected and loved him. Also adds to the national appeal.
Nate McMillan – Has 478 career wins with a 52 percent career winning percentage. Again a tough coach who demands the respect of his players.
Mike Budenholzer- Been an assistant coach under Greg Pop for way too long. Yes there is a thinking in the NBA that if your an assistant in the NBA for too long, why become a head coach now…I believe anyone who gets an opportunity to train for 16 years under Pop will do much better then FRANK.
Stan Van Gundy/Jeff Van Gundy – I think that both brothers are great coaches, with winning records. I’ve always been a fan of Jeff. If someone could convince him to come back and coach and not waste his time as an commentator, boy people would start watching more Pistons games just for him. And Stan has proven himself in both Miami and Orlando. Even as a NBA analyst, Jeff Van Gundy is so knowledgable it’s a pleasure to hear him.
Jerry Sloan – I’m sure he is itching to get back to coaching. He needs a new home. Only problem is his health and age. Great hall of famer coach, did well to rebuild the Utah Jazz after Stockton Malone era.
Phil Jackson – This would never happen. Like ever. But why can’t it. I know Phil would never risk his legacy to come and coach a group of guys with no star power or even potential to make the playoffs, but thats what he should prove wrong to his critics, take a team without MJ, Pippen, Kobe, and Shaq, Pau, Bynum, and make them a better team. Heck, if Joe D could afford to waste all that money on Charlie V and Ben Gordon, I would underpay all the players we have now to get Phil Jackson to coach. And Tom Gores should use his LA connection. Again, I probably sound so ignorant and dumb to say this, but I wish it could/would be a possibility.
Maurice Cheeks – I’m not sure if he would be a good fit with this team, but he’s unemployed or an assistant somewhere else right now. I think with OKC?
Nov 17, 2012 • 5:10 pmby Jay
My greatest hope is that LF and JoeD are conciously playing Prince and Max in the hope that they will play well so that someone will offer them something for them at the trade deadline. might as well stink it up in the process i guess and get that final piece in this year’s Draft…
Nov 18, 2012 • 8:40 amby sebastian
I wonder, how many more losses it will take, before Gores and Joe ask L. Frank to clean out his desk.
After the first 10 games, WE are 1-9. The experienced L. Frank lost to the very green, Jacque Vaughn.
It will be difficult to replace Frank, if he is allowed to go 1-19 or 2-18 or even 3-17, because a “real” NBA coach, may not be interested in slopping seconds, left by L. Frank. The next 7 games, remainder of the month, should do it for L. Frank:
Sun. (11/18) vs. the Celtics
Wed. (11/21) @ the Magic
Fri. (11/23) vs. the Raptors
Sun. (11/25) @ the Knicks
Mon. (11/26) vs. Trailblazers
Wed. (11/28) vs. the Suns
Fri. (11/30) @ the Grizzilies
Let’s be serious, the Celtics are not coming to the Palace on Sunday to lose; WE just lost to the Magic at the crib, probably will not beat them in Orlando on Wednesday; the Raptors have been known to beat OUR Pistons and know US well, as WE’ve played a couple of times during the preseason; the Knicks probably will take US in the Garden on the 25th; the Trailblazers starting 5 is far better than OUR current starting 5 and play a better brand of ball than OUR lowly Pistons; the Suns have already beaten US and probably will, again; and there ain’t no way in Hell, this current roster of Pistons will beat the Grizzlies, especially in Memphis.
WE can easily be 1-16 or 2-15 at the end of the month. If so, fire Frank and hire Zeke.
Nov 18, 2012 • 10:08 amby Clint in Flint
Maybe Lambeer, not Zeke. I want a good coach with a winning record, not a dog and pony show. Yes, he was a great player.
Nov 18, 2012 • 10:08 amby DasMark
I don’t know why people are so bitter about the losing? Every loss will toss a few more ping pong balls in Detroit’s favor come June.
If they can get a top 3 pick and draft Shabazz, they could field two athletically elite players on the floor with him and Drummond and really be a competitive team, not just some team aiming at an 8th seed.
Someone posted all the available coaches. Saunders can’t coach in the playoffs, he doesn’t make adjustments. How would Patrick Ewing help Moose and Dre? He was the assistant in Orlando for how many years, working with Dwight? And Dwight still has no offensive game.
Detroit should stick it out with Frank. I think it would be foolish to believe that bringing in another coach mid-season is going to completely turn the team around.
Nov 18, 2012 • 10:28 amby Vic
I’m on the fence with this one.
If they are doing this on purpose to get a high draft pick, and hire a better coach – fine.
If they aren’t doing this purposefully, they are all incompetent and embarrassing.
Nov 18, 2012 • 10:33 amby Vic
Only coach Im interested in is Bill Laimbeer. NBA Champion player, WNBA Championship coach, helped turn Kevin Love into the best rebounding scorer in the league. All he needs is a chance. Bring him in next year.
Nov 18, 2012 • 10:48 amby Patrick Hayes
Laimbeer was part of a coaching staff that frustrated Minnesota fans by not playing Love enough his first two seasons in the league. What makes you think he had such a large role in Love’s development?
Nov 18, 2012 • 2:07 pmby vic
was he making those decisions on PT, or was he the big man coach helping him get better?
Nov 18, 2012 • 2:13 pmby Patrick Hayes
I’m just saying, you are making an assumption that Laimbeer had a big impact on Love when, in fact, there is little evidence of that. Love hasn’t ever really talked about Laimbeer much, and he did, in fact, butt heads with at least the head coach early in his career. There’s as much evidence that that coaching staff as a whole did as much to hinder his development as help it. The same things that have everyone mad about Drummond — limiting his minutes despite superior production — happened to Love in Minnesota. That may not have been Laimbeer’s decision, but he was a part of a staff that undoubtedly handled him that way.
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