Comments on: Tayshaun Prince thinks Lawrence Frank should’ve benched him, other starters sooner vs. Magic

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By: Max

Max — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:16:12 +0000

The way Prince is being portrayed is odd because he’s been with the team for like a decade and has made about 3 other, fairly passive aggressive, comments in that entire period that fit with this latest one. From my perspective, it is clear that Prince, who spent his first 7 years or so going to the conference finals every season, is frustrated with the losing and coaching decisions and finally let out a fairly innocuous comment about a single rotation decision in a single game. This is not malcontent or coach killing behavior and at a certain point, I personally don’t even mind the kind of comment he made because I agree with what he said and feel like someone in the organization needs to push Frank out of his curious comfort zone. Hate on him if you want but who other than Prince or Joe Dumars with the Pistons is more appropriate or qualified to try and make Frank change directions? Prince is really not just a player for this team but, at this point, almost a senior member of the organization and one who may, much as some may despise the notion, still be the team after Frank is gone.

By: Vic

Vic — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:13:35 +0000

You can’t blame Dumars for the Idiotic coaching non-decisions that cause us to lose several winnable games. He has brought way more talent to this team than it had before the Davidson sale, got them the siZe and the shooting they needed. Frank refuses to use it and make the small adjustments needed.
Instead he sees things like they are all energy and process problems, subbing entire units when a simple 1 person lineup change could play better because of how they fit.

By: Vic

Vic — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 15:06:54 +0000

Agreed.
Except give us Laimbeer. He knows how to win.

By: bugsygod

bugsygod — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:36:37 +0000

1. Prince ,although in the media is not the best way to say it, told the truth. I thought the same thing when orlando was making a run, but no sub the entire starting 5…duh. leave monroe, singler in bring drummond, stuckey, jjorbynum in. when you sub the entire 5 it is almost a give up situation and its only the 3rd q. those starters coming off probably felt embarrased as well. when you break down the difference between 1st q & 3rd q, we stopped giving the ball down low or high post to monroe and just started shooting jumpers. this is when coach stops play and sets up a specific play for monroe down low to get off the zero. If you look at all the games where were giving up leads, its not really an energy thing its an execution and like prince said “plays at the rim or free throw opportunities”. i remember stuckey loving frank last year, because “if we play good d, we can do what we want on offense”. i think that play should be out the door
2. Frank is so DAMN inflexible, he has an attitude, his way is the right way and if you play this way we will win. well sorry coach, whatever “playing your way” is not working. the team looks confused on many critical possesions. and if you notice the after time out or out of bounds plays, regularly lead to poor possesions. this should be the staple of really good coaches, the after time out play. That play has nothing to do with energy etc, all about execution. I was very excited with frank last year, because he did set a line up and rotation, which kuester could not do. frank made some tough decisions on players and stuck with them last year. HOWEVER, that was last year, it is your team now frank, you have to make changes on the fly. To me the biggest thing missing is execution at critical times.
3. Frank is “supposed” to be recognized for player developmemt and looking at players on this roster, i think monroe, stuckey,bynum, drummond, singler have all gotten better under frank. drummond/singler i think are exceeding expectations. only player who i think has not improved greatly is knight, he seems to be a little stagnant, but playing pg is the toughest position so still may be adjusting which is OK, but as far as a in game coach, x&o coach, making smart adjustments in game coach, just dont see it with frank. If drummond is rolling and he is the future let him rack up some big minutes those games, then we is off dont play him as much. But frank has a plan to bring slow and will not ADJUST what so ever. smh.
4. Dumars has always been a hands off GM when it comes to the coaching staff. He allows too much player public critishm, doesn’t speak out in favor of the coach. He just hands the guy the keys backs away and says have it…for good or better. This is where DUmars needs to step up. Pull prince in the office “hey your words are powerful, i need you to choose them wisely”. Pull frank in the office “hey drummond was rolling the other night why didnt you leave him in or come back with him” frank says ” well joe that was not the plan, we said at the beginning he would get 15-18mins a game and no more” joe says “dammit frank what are you watching? he is playing above our expectations give him some more”, frank “ok”.
5. next coach…. stan van gundy or jeff van gundy. proven winners please

By: Piston Craig

Piston Craig — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 14:34:07 +0000

I would support an SVG hiring 100%. He knows how to develop big men. Larry Frank simply isn’t an NBA caliber coach.

By: Guus

Guus — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 13:44:03 +0000

Exactly!

I hate these passive aggressive comments by Tay! He makes it look like he’s taking the blame saying the starters sucked, all the while blaming LF for the loss by saying he didn’t yank them soon enough. He is undermining his team, and not even head on (in house), but in a sneaky, disguised way through the media. I downright loathe behavior like that! He’s not patient, he’s no veteran leader, he’s merely a veteran, and an easily disgruntled one at that. Don’t get me wrong, I love Tay for what he meant for the ‘goin’ to work’-era, but it just seems like everybody would be so much happier and better off if Tay were playing for a contender. But with his current contract, who could afford him? He’s practically untradeable: bad to mediocre teams don’t want him (so why would we…?) and good to great teams don’t want him at that price… And for that we have Dumars to blame. I love him, he once built a great team, but my patience is running out…

Two Eurocents from the Netherlands (slightly more valuable than the dollar at the moment, hence the length :P)

By: ryan

ryan — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:46:57 +0000

I would be interested to see how player-coach Tayshaun Prince handled things.

By: swish22

swish22 — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:12:54 +0000

Franks winning percentage is very similar to your percentage on being right. I say banish jodi for usually being wrong. Some times I just wanna scream “jeeeez; You’re still advocating Joe D. to make a decision. That alone should be grounds for a 30 day banishment. Lawrence didn’t assemble this chemistry less squad and as Bill Parcells once said if youre doing the cooking you should at least help with the grocery list. I do feel LF has struggled big time so far but the roster is still a mess. If its correct that Joe D wanted Woodson and Gores LF and the players were told this by Joe D. it totally undermines the current situation. Joe and Tay are very close making me wonder if he at least discussed that with him our supposed leader.

By: swish22

swish22 — Fri, 23 Nov 2012 11:52:12 +0000

Stern also dislikes JVG for his calling the officials out numerous times. Stern like the malcontents left over from the philly debacle all need to go! My christmas wish list. Hopefully Joe D. can find a seat also.