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Rodney Stuckey, Will Bynum combine to become one real point guard in Pistons win over Boston

Boston Celtics 83 FinalRecap | Box Score 103 Detroit Pistons
Jason Maxiell, PF 30 MIN | 5-10 FG | 5-6 FT | 6 REB | 1 AST | 15 PTS | +12It’s strange considering Maxiell’s athleticism and energy have always been his greatest assets as a Piston, but his 15-footer has become a really important component in the team’s offense. When he’s hitting it — and he has been most of the season — the Pistons offense is much more competitive.
Tayshaun Prince, SF 33 MIN | 5-11 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 2 AST | 10 PTS | +16Prince, most importantly, played really good defense on Paul Pierce tonight. And on top of that, he also contributed offensively. Prince has a tendency to wear himself out on D in his best defensive performances and not have much left for the offensive end. That wasn’t the case tonight.
Kyle Singler, SF 24 MIN | 6-9 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 14 PTS | +8The Pistons are 2-1 with Singler as a starter and very close to being 3-0 aside from an awful half a fourth quarter against the Magic. Singler’s shooting is obviously important, but the simple fact that he’s a player who is effective without having to dominate the ball is the biggest factor in his success.
Greg Monroe, C 32 MIN | 8-11 FG | 4-5 FT | 13 REB | 3 AST | 20 PTS | +11Monroe has received plenty of A’s this season. He gets the A+ tonight because he was solid defensively. He had two steals, but beyond that, he matched the physicality of Kevin Garnett, no easy task. Monroe has a tendency to avoid contact on defense, and he didn’t do that at all tonight. One of his best efforts at that end of the floor.
Brandon Knight, PG 24 MIN | 2-3 FG | 1-2 FT | 1 REB | 1 AST | 6 PTS | +7It’s hard to give anyone a bad grade considering how great the Pistons played as a team in this win, but Knight had easily his worst game of the season. The big issue, no surprise, was turnovers. Knight has done a better job taking care of the ball overall this season, so hopefully this was just a one game thing.
Jonas Jerebko, PF 10 MIN | 1-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 2 PTS | +2Jerebko is slumping. After a strong start to the season, he’s averaging fewer than three points per game and shooting just 7-for-28 over that stretch. That slump happens to coincide with Jerebko taking a couple of nasty shots in the Sacramento game, so maybe he’s a bit injured or something. Corey Maggette returning has also ate into his minutes.
Corey Maggette, SF 14 MIN | 3-6 FG | 4-4 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 11 PTS | +3This was easily Maggette’s best game as a Piston. The offense was solid and he was getting to the line, but he also played physical perimeter defense off the bench, made a couple hustle plays (including skying to catch a pass that should’ve resulted in a turnover for the Pistons) and for the first time this season, looked like he had his legs under him while he was playing.
Andre Drummond, C 18 MIN | 2-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 4 PTS | +11Drummond was solid in limited minutes (that should be his nickname). This certainly wasn’t a bad performance, but it wasn’t his best either. Defensively, he bit hard on a couple of KG pump fakes, but Drummond is probably susceptible to that sort of thing against the smarter veteran bigs in the league.
Will Bynum, PG 21 MIN | 3-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 5 AST | 7 PTS | +11Bynum stepped in nicely with Knight struggling. He had five assists and no turnovers and the offense just ran much more smoothly with him in the game tonight. That doesn’t happen often, but Bynum has been noticeably better this season as a halfcourt PG than he has been in the past.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 31 MIN | 4-10 FG | 6-6 FT | 5 REB | 5 AST | 14 PTS | +17Stuckey’s performance is another reason the Pistons could keep Knight on the bench. Stuckey also had five assists and zero turnovers as he and Bynum shared point guard responsibilities off the bench. Stuckey was more aggressive, getting to the line six times, and he was also doing things like diving after loose balls, which Stuckey hasn’t always been known to do in the past. He looked very comfortable in this role, without the responsibility of having to be defined as either guard position while he was in the game. He just played.
Lawrence Frank, Head Coach We’re all just going to have to live with the fact that Frank is not going to play Drummond enough to satisfy most fans (more on that in a minute). What I was impressed with tonight — the Pistons had a really awful loss on Friday against a bad team at home. They blew a late lead, and looked really passive doing it. Frank deserves credit for having the Pistons ready to play hard, physical and well against a good team in Boston just a day later. If he were a great coach, they probably wouldn’t have lost to Orlando. But if he were a bad coach, they definitely would’ve followed that up with a loss tonight too. Also, the Pistons had 12 turnovers at halftime and just four in the second half, so Frank should get some credit for those adjustments that the team made in the second half.

Why I’m done writing about Drummond’s minutes for now

As I noted, we have a large enough body of work to suggest that Drummond deserves more than the 15-18 minutes per game he’s been playing this season. But we also have a large enough body of work to suggest that Frank is not going to increase those minutes in the immediate future. Frank gives non-answers to the question when he’s asked about it and doesn’t really explain why. From a fan’s perspective, it’s certainly frustrating. But for right now, I’m just going to treat Drummond as what he is — the team’s primary backup center. I could devote words every game making a case that Drummond could’ve helped in certain points when the defense faltered, but that will get old to read. It certainly gets old to write.

I don’t know what will become of Frank or the Pistons this season. Tonight was certainly a good sign that the team hasn’t tuned him out — thanks to the John Kuester era, it should be clear to everyone what it looks like when a losing team tunes out its coach. They played better and more physical defense tonight than they have at any point this season. They have a more favorable schedule coming up than the one they started the season with. I think it’s conceivable that the team wasn’t as bad as they looked through the first eight games of the season. I’m still an advocate of Drummond playing more. His numbers back it up, his effort has been good and he’s been better than the other non-Monroe options up front. But if Drummond continues in the 15-18 minute range and the Pistons begin to play more competitively, win more games and improve defensively, there will hopefully be better things to write about in the coming weeks than doing the equivalent of facepalming at the lack of time for Drummond in these recaps.

So, that recent Boston dominance is nice

The Pistons won two-of-three from the Celtics last season and now won the first meeting this season. The Celtics are actually one of the few good teams that’s not a complete mismatch up front for the Pistons. Garnett is still a great player, but he’s more of a jump-shooter than a post player on offense at this point and Boston is also undersized with Brandon Bass and Jared Sullinger in their frontcourt rotation. It’s mostly just one of those flukey things that sometimes happen in the NBA, but of all the good teams to have that record against over the last season plus, I certainly don’t hate seeing it against Boston.

85 Comments

  • Nov 18, 201210:37 pm
    by Rufus Dufus

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    Where’s Maggette’s grade?
     

  • Nov 18, 201210:37 pm
    by RJ

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    maggette? doesn’t exist?

  • Nov 18, 201210:39 pm
    by Venice

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    I saw the standings .I think East is better than West this season .

    • Nov 18, 201211:25 pm
      by tarsier

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      The East is 27-35 against the West. Also, the East only has one legit contender (unless you are on the New York bandwagon). The West has several.

      • Nov 19, 20129:50 am
        by Derek

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        New York is missing their starting PF and starting SG.  New York is starting Carmelo at the 4.  New York is the second leading team in scoring and second in opponent’s scoring.  They have beaten both Miami and San Antonio.  They travelled to Memphis, which was their second game of a back to back and lost to a tough Memphis team (this is to be expected for an old team with injuries).  

        They bounced back with an easy win against the Pacers in their very next game.  While I think it’s reasonable to hold judgment on all teams until we’re 20 games in, I think the Knicks are legit for the first time in years.

        • Nov 19, 201210:47 am
          by Crispus

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          Don’t worry the Knicks will fall apart as soon as Amare comes back. This happened last season with Carmelo and Linsanity:
          http://www.theonion.com/articles/knicks-doctors-continue-carefully-reinjuring-carme,27395/ 

        • Nov 19, 201212:19 pm
          by tarsier

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          I’m convinced that New York is a shoo-in for the playoffs. I don’t think they are a contender with the starting PF and starting SG out. But how those two will mesh with this group is a question mark. So I withhold judgment until they return.

          • Nov 19, 201212:59 pm
            by Derek

            I definitely agree with the idea of withholding judgment until the Knicks have their full compliment of players.  I just get the feeling there won’t be the collapse that everyone expects.  Shumpert is a defense first athlete.  If he is healthy he slides into the starting 2 spot sending J.Kidd to the bench and he fits into what the team is doing. 

            The real question is Stoudemire, but even with him I don’t see Woodson putting up with the uninspired idiotic defense for which Stat is known.  Woodson has a far better handle on the Knicks than D’Antoni ever had.

            Linsanity was a mirage.  That seems to be clear judging from the production Lin is giving Houston with his “ridiculous contract”.

          • Nov 19, 20122:18 pm
            by tarsier

            Everyone assumes Shump will fit in just fine. And, in a sense, I’m sure he will. But it’s sending Kidd to the bench that I’m concerned about. Kidd’s fit and contributions have been vastly underrated because they don’t include big numbers. It is possible that Shump contributes but still hurts the team by replacing a guy (Kidd) who contributed more.

          • Nov 19, 20123:05 pm
            by Crispus

            That’s what I’m saying. New York is perfectly balanced right now and Stoudemire returning will throw everything off. Shumpert should be fine.

            Linsanity was legit, but he’s definitely come down to earth. Lin is pretty much equivalent to Greivis Vasquez right now, and if he plays his cards right he can have a long and productive career on the level of Andre Miller. 

          • Nov 20, 20126:19 am
            by Derek

            @Crispus  Jeremy Lin’s stats appear to be comparable to Greivis Vasquez; however, watching them both play there is a definite gulf between them when it comes to capability.  Vasquez has proven himself over a much larger sample set both as a starter and off the bench…both on a contender (Memphis) and a lottery team (New Orleans)…both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

            Lin has proven to be suspect this season.  He defers the ballhandling duties to Harden and plays off the ball.  Vasquez is the primary ballhandler for New Orleans.  Right now, I would say Lin is a poor man’s Vasquez at best.

            Oh and comparing Lin to Andre Miller is an EXTREMELY tall order. 

          • Nov 20, 20126:24 am
            by Derek

            @tarsier I believe moving Kidd to the bench when Shump returns will be to Kidd and the team’s benefit.  Shump very likely will not play a ton of minutes coming off his injury so Kidd will still get around 20 minutes.  Also with the size, strength, and versatility of the players you can move Kidd, Shump, and JR between the 1,2, 3 which should free up minutes.

            The odd man out will be Prigioni…and maybe Brewer.  Still I see Kidd getting about 20 minutes off the bench.

  • Nov 18, 201210:46 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    fan base is dying, i glad we won but unless we are ready to turn the corner …. this team is going to lose alot of money

  • Nov 18, 201210:47 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    fan base is dying, im glad we won but unless we are ready to turn the corner …. this team is going to lose alot of money

    • Nov 18, 201210:48 pm
      by Stuckey and Whoever

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      fan base must really be dead to post it twice

    • Nov 18, 201211:11 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Why are they dying?

      • Nov 18, 201211:26 pm
        by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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        well they are thriving!!! the Palace was rockin tonight

        • Nov 19, 201212:14 pm
          by PISSED-ON!

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          Idk if you was being sarcastic here but if you know whey there dying dont back up your statement tell us why they are dying? I was kinda agreeing with you until pat chaged your mind with a question smh lol. But I think the base is dying for the casual fan those were the ones that was selling out wheren they was relevant THE CASUAL FAN but I still think they have a strong supporting fan base like our piston powered fans. But for you to say that the palace was rocking cmon man every game at the palace looks like a preseason JV game and I can barley hear the fans when the pistons make a basket I wonder where you got that from George Blaha and Kelser? please man they can make a street fight sound like Ali vs Frazier if they annouce it just back up your stattement man.

          BTW the pistons look good tonight beating up on a dead man team these guys (celtics) was playing off fumes on a long week full of games and they (pistons) did what hey suppose to do.

          • Nov 19, 20128:06 pm
            by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

            it was SARCASM!

            even if the team becomes a .500 team… as is …no one cares…. but if it was a .500 team because of Monroe, Drummond ,Knight and Singler then that would ignite a city  

    • Nov 19, 20129:54 am
      by Derek

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      When you say fan base do you mean the bandwagoneers?  If so, some of that crew jumped ship during the Michael Curry days.  Then they doubled back during the Kuester regime to get their other bandwagoneers.

      Right now the Pistons have a LONG road ahead of them with way more downs than ups.  Still I like what we have now way better than what we had during the Curry & Kuester campaigns.

  • Nov 18, 201210:47 pm
    by Stuckey and Whoever

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    Yeah Maggette played well too.  This might be the best start Max has had in his pro career.  Could be due to a 19 yr old breathing down his neck, but that free throw jumper is nice.  Embrace the process with Knight, because I saw this coming.  He got pulled a few times this game, just think it will take him a few yrs to get the point down.  If he ever does??  BUCKETS!!

  • Nov 18, 201210:52 pm
    by Stuckey and Whoever

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    Can’t believe Patrick gave Stuckey an A!  I’m about to call Joe Dummars, he wont believe me though..

    • Nov 18, 201211:13 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I have nothing against Stuckey. I just have high expectations for how he should play. He’s one of their most experienced players and he’s played a ton of minutes for a still relatively young player in his career. By now, he should also be one of their most consistent players. I think coming off the bench suits his skillset, so we’ll see if that’s finally the role he’s able to put everything together in.

  • Nov 18, 201211:06 pm
    by Bruce

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    Great analysis as usual. Thank you  

  • Nov 18, 201211:07 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Apologies if the formatting is showing up weird, guys. Not sure what is going on with our image generator tonight. Hopefully will be fixed soon.

  • Nov 18, 201211:16 pm
    by tarsier

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    So the Pistons can only beat teams that should make the playoffs?

  • Nov 18, 201211:22 pm
    by tarsier

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    “but of all the good teams to have that record against over the last season plus, I’m certainly don’t hate seeing it against Boston”

    Amen! If the Pistons somehow manage to give the Celtics a tougher first round opponent than they would otherwise have, it will be at least one positive for the season. Boston losing is always a good thing in sports.

  • Nov 18, 201211:33 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    we actually beat a good team, and we got the first win at the Palace and the fans could care less they was no energy in that build at all! 

    Maybe we will win games by boring teams to victory 

  • Nov 18, 201211:52 pm
    by Andrew

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    Why yes, let’s just ignore that elephant in the room!
    Just because Frank repeatedly makes the same indefensible coaching mistake doesn’t mean the media – particularly the more intelligent, analytical branch PistonPowered occupies – should stop holding him to account for his errors.  Even if Frank is impervious to media criticism (and I’m not sure he is, as he’s become increasingly defensive in his replies), I doubt Gores is.  Media pressure could act as a cumulative goad toward more rational coaching decisions, whether those decisons are made by Frank or his successor.  
    In other words, please keep mentioning when Drummond doesn’t play enough.  He’s fun to watch.

    • Nov 19, 20129:40 am
      by tarsier

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      The point is that the comment that Drummond didn’t get enough minutes can be considered an assumed until he says otherwise. It’s kinda like saying CV isn’t worth his contract. That was relevant to say for a while. And we still hold it against Dumars. But saying it every game is boring.

    • Nov 19, 20129:53 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “Just because Frank repeatedly makes the same indefensible coaching mistake doesn’t mean the media – particularly the more intelligent, analytical branch PistonPowered occupies – should stop holding him to account for his errors.”

      If it’s a reason they lose a game, I’ll definitely write about it. My point is just that it’s not worth rehashing on a game-to-game basis at this point. We know what Drummond’s role is on the team right now and we have enough evidence to suggest that isn’t going to change. Tonight, it wasn’t an issue. And actually, it wasn’t really an issue against Orlando since the Pistons giving shooters too much space was the key defensive breakdown in that game. I could write about Drummond not getting enough minutes every game. Instead, I’m only going to write about it when it’s a crucial thing that may have contributed to a loss. 

      • Nov 19, 201210:19 am
        by Andrew

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        Fair enough – and of course it makes no sense to complain about the coaching if the team is winning, or if the loss can’t logically be blamed on Frank.  If you continue to point it out when inadequate minutes for Drummond are an important factor in losing, I’d guess we’ll read something to that effect a few dozen times yet this year (games when they are out-rebounded, or beaten in the paint, and lose).  Thank you for the response.

    • Nov 19, 20129:57 am
      by MNM

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      Agree with tarsier.. and Andrew..”Media pressure could act as a cumulative goad..” , Detroit sports media doesn’t “pressure” or highly criticize it’s teams.. This isn’t NY, Chicago, Philli, or Boston..You should know better.

  • Nov 19, 201212:25 am
    by Gareth Masters

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    Strange that Celtics only had 12 assists total. Also I think it was awful pandering of them to go to a system designed only to get assists for Rondo at the end.

    • Nov 19, 201210:03 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yep. Rondo is way, way too preoccupied with that streak right now. It’s weird that a guy pursuing assists actually hurts his team at times, but he does.

  • Nov 19, 201212:28 am
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    Here’s the Truth:

    Look around the NBA…you fall into 3 categories

    1. Your a solid, or legit play-off/title contending team led by Vets with some young talent helping out

    2. Your a young exciting team, maybe not title contending team but you are legit place off team (there’s hope)

    3. Your team is rebuilding

    Then there are the Pistons …. We give up quality minutes to Vets who are at best bench players on any other team…. The most exciting players that the fans actually enjoy watching and cheering for don’t get quality PT …. Anf the style of play is boring

    I am a die hard Piston fan, but this is not fun or entertaining to watch…even in the 2 wins, they seem more about luck than us really winning games…

    Philly missed open shots and we won. And the celtics missed open shots and we won…. Maxiel is our 2nd best offensive option ….we get no steals …doesn’t even look like we practice transition baskets in practice …. its just not entertaining …

    And unless its a really close game, I could careless about if we win or lose. I check the box scores for Greg, Knight, Singler and Drummond… Nuffin else matters

    • Nov 19, 20127:02 am
      by Corey

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      You don’t win by 20 due to luck. You have to outplay the other team to do that.  Now if only they could bring that more often.
       

      • Nov 19, 20127:26 am
        by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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        Actually WHEN YOU DO WIN BY 20 its more about luck than anything else, unless you are a dominate team….

        Most time when teams win by 20, the other team cant buy a bucket, they become turnover prone, and other team everything seems to go there way. Thats what happened last night

        2ndly the Celtics key players are older, clearly Doc was trying to save their legs. Last night was their 4th game in 5 nights.

        All i am saying is I hope we have turned the corner, Hope if our defense is going to be mostly based on “LETS HOPE THEY MISS” this season will be a complete wash

      • Nov 19, 20129:42 am
        by tarsier

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        Let’s summarize this. If you win by 20, you can’t chalk the win up just to luck. However, it probably took some luck to get such a blowout.

    • Nov 19, 201211:13 am
      by Lisa

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      I thought it was a fun game to watch. i think the young guys need some vets on the floor with them, to keep them on track, to stabilize them. Yeah, I would like to see more of Drummond, an other young’s. I liked how Frank benched Knight last night. I would of liked English to come in the game with lead we had. I also think the win is good for them, to keep their heads up, to keep them on the same page. Losing is hard, beating a good team, no matter how tired they were, is good !

  • Nov 19, 20121:48 am
    by Mark

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    I agree on giving up the fight for Drummond to get more minutes. Its obvious to everyone who watches bball that he has earned more PT on a bad team like this, but its becoming just as obvious that the Pistons are not wavering from their plan to bring him along slowly. So I’m going to save my energy complaining about it too. 

    Listening to a lot of Pistons insiders, it sounds like the plan is to eventually start him at some point this season, so I guess we just have to be patient and enjoy his nightly 15 min of fame for now, lol.

    Its possible developing him slowly could be best for him in the long run too, which is what we all care most about anyways. 

  • Nov 19, 20121:59 am
    by Mel

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    I was going to lay low but no one seems to mention that Boston was on the tail end of a 9 game stretch where they only had a couple of days off. They played the Raps yesterday and Brooklyn two days before anyway if you look at the schedule you would see that we were suppose to win this game. Boston looked tired to me and they missed shots they normally make, now a win is a win and I’m always glad when we beat Boston, but besides the fact we match up well with them I can help but not take this win too serious. We’ll see what happens when we play on Wednseday in Orlando. If we win there then that will be a statement of getting revenge on teams we’re suppose to win. I believe ewe have talent on this team and Frank can coach the group but for it to take so long to get your rotations right is bad for a coach. Thanks Stuck for putting yourself on the bench and thank You Max for giving us you impression of Mcdyse. Good win regardless. 

  • Nov 19, 20124:14 am
    by gmehl

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    All i can keep thinking is if we didn’t choke against OKC and Orlando then we’d be 4-7 which isn’t that bad considering we had a big road swing to start the season. On the bright side i thought Maggette looked pretty good and got us some baskets when we need them. Speaking of Maggette, having him and Stuckey on that second unit together is gonna draw a sh!t load of fouls for us. Hopefully those 2 can get us in the bonus come the end of games.

    • Nov 19, 20128:10 am
      by vic

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      Not to mention that first Houston home game and Phoenix that were winnable, we really should be a winning team, 6-5

      • Nov 19, 201212:29 pm
        by tarsier

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        This sounds like Langlois reasoning. Sure, you can say all that, but the Celtics are better than the Pistons so they should have won this one. Every team comes out smelling sweet if you give them all the games they should have won as well as the ones they manged to win even though they shouldn’t have. Especially if you throw in all the ones that could have gone either way because it was a one possession game near the end.

        And OKC was more a better team taking over down the stretch than a choke job (see 03-07 Pistons if you still believe it’s just a fluke and don’t buy the better-team-stuck-around-and-then-took-over narrative).

  • Nov 19, 20125:03 am
    by jprime18

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    Whenever we beat Boston, it’s a good day. It’ll be interesting to see how this team looks come All-Star break. Hopefully Monroe will be playing during the break

    • Nov 20, 201212:32 am
      by PISSED-ON!

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      I hope he make it too but I think he wont make it because his numbers aint impacting the team on a winning basis such as other all stars in the nba the team is worse than alabama garbage but like you said ill be interested to see how this team look by all-star break

  • Nov 19, 20127:06 am
    by @GPMasters

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    If we bring Boston’s schedule into reasoning behind why we won last night, then surely we should mention our own brutal schedule to open the season when searching for reasoning for the 0-8 start.

    For me, we are not a good team but we are a whole lot better than 2-9 suggests…

    • Nov 19, 201210:19 am
      by revken

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      Agreed.  While that may have affected the outcome of this game, it surely affected some of our losses, too.  It’s just part of the game.  Are we 20 points better than the Celtics?  No.  But we won, so we’re not as awful as we’ve looked so far.

  • Nov 19, 20127:26 am
    by swish22

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    Great effort by the Pistons tonight. Really feel watching Singler’s fundamentally sound game may have resonated with Stuckey. He should be the point off the bench. Even though Bynum played very well last night he was absolutely lost in off the ball defense in previous games. The teams didn’t take advantage off those lapses but other sharp coaches will. Stuckey can play physical defense and if he continues to hustle he can be a great asset coming in as the 6th man. Still can’t believe the Drum fell to the Pistons. Maggette played great last night but I was really hoping they’d commit to JJ with those minutes. He looks like he’ll mainly sit on the perimeter and launch long shots from what i’ve seen.

    • Nov 19, 20128:15 am
      by vic

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      I think Jerebko does that because he is the only possible floor spacer on that 2nd unit. He plays with all drivers slashers and cutters. – Bynum Stuckey Maggette Drummond

      But yeah he’s in a slump too ever since he got beat up by Sacramento 

  • Nov 19, 20127:33 am
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    if we are playing Maxiell in hopes that his trade value will go up, I am all for it. But players like Maxiell during contract years happen all the time.

    They go get a shooting coach….
    They lose some weight….
    blah,blah,blah ….should have did it 4 years ago…

    I like Maxiell, I just dont like him recieved 30 minutes … i like Maggette but I dont like him taking minutes from Jonas at the SF position….

    BTW: Jonas is getting screwed so bad by this MERIT system….

    • Nov 19, 20129:56 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Jerebko has been really bad over the past six games. Shot is way off and he’s lacked energy.

      • Nov 19, 20121:06 pm
        by Derek

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        That has been really weird to see, an energy player…without energy.  I hope JJ finds his way back to being productive.  I know he had nice chemistry with Singler, I wonder if that has effected him.

  • Nov 19, 20128:22 am
    by vic

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    I won’t complain about Drummond either as long as we win. But I will point out that he still rebounds and defends better.  Maxiell obviously hits that jumpshot automatically now, and it makes him a good weapon and it spaces out the defense. 

    The real move that changed this team was Stuckey coaching himself, and executing the decision to go to the 2nd unit. It made the first unit better and the 2nd unit better at the same time. 

    Frank is probably the best process/motivational coach I’ve seen on the Pistons ever. But give the credit to Stuckey for the win, because he made the hard coaching decision that needed to be made, and changed the season. We will win more and we won’t go 0-16 or 4-20. 

  • Nov 19, 20128:44 am
    by Rodman4Life

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    I’m such a sucker, looking at the standings.  They finally win a game and I’m acting like Lloyd Christmas on “Dumb & Dumber,”  ”So you’re saying there’s a chance . . . . . . “!

  • Nov 19, 20129:18 am
    by Ryan P

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    Saw Marcus Smart play yesterday.. if we end up with 6-12 pick…grab him Joe, and move Knight over to the two guard.

    • Nov 19, 201210:57 am
      by vic

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      yessirr, he moved up to 2nd guard on my draft board too.
      Michael Carter Williams and Trey Burke aren’t doing that bad, but Smart is a monster:

      He had 20 points 7 rebounds 7 assists 4 steals, and 4 blocks, and beat the #6 ranked team with an unranked team. 

      That’s Baby Lebron 

      • Nov 19, 201211:22 am
        by vic

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        And he dominated a point guard ranked higher than him on draft boards, held him to 7 points. Might be better than Shabazz

        • Nov 19, 20123:54 pm
          by Joe Dumars

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          I’ve become a big fan of Marcus Smart over the last week.

          If he was paired up with Knight I don’t think they’d exclusively play one position though.

          If not Shabazz, I’d be happy with McLemore or Smart.

  • Nov 19, 20129:19 am
    by Al

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    Hey Patrick im with you on the Drummond and his minutes!! They seem like they are basicly not going to make any adjustments until (what I believe) is trade Maxiell. I guess it makes since given he is playing so well too. The Pistons just have better effort against marque teams, they just have to figure out someway to play with the same mind frame against lower quality teams as well. I like Maggette and what he offers to this tema, he shoots very well and can provide that spark that Charlie and Daye were suppose to bring for a couple of seasons now. Hey what happen to Kim English??? My guess is its a match up type of ordeal/hope it is. Singler looks like he is gonna average 12-14 pts a game which is great and he can shoot the long ball very well! Alot of positives tonight, now, how do we follow up this performance will tell alot about who they want to be!

    • Nov 19, 20129:57 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “Hey what happen to Kim English?”

      Singler’s insertion at SG, along with Stuckey’s move to the bench and Maggette’s return from injury have pretty much taken any available minutes for English. 

  • Nov 19, 20129:38 am
    by Scott Free

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    I dont think anyone would be as concerned about Drummond minutes if we were a winning franchise this season.  ”The Process” is much easier to swallow, when Jason is playing well and the team is winning.  My concern is how little they look to the big man to score.  Almost all of his efficient shooting percentage seems to come from put-backs after our ‘primary scorers’ in the second unit miss.

    Also, Jerebko seems like the odd man out since Magette’s return and Singler’s ascendance. They’ve parked him at the 3 point line because he’s stranded as a stretch 4 on a team of slashers that NEVER look to him as any option other than a bail-out-3.  Honestly, I think he deserves better.   

     

  • Nov 19, 20129:56 am
    by Slap Dog Hoops

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    What I like about Detroit is that the Pistons have finally stop trying to make Rodney Stuckey into something that he is not–a star caliber NBA player.  Putting him on the bench in favor of Kyle Singler was an excellent idea from Lawrence Frank.  Singler is a point forward in the Mike Dunleavy Jr. mould giving the Pistons a defensive advantage in terms of matchups because of his size.  And from watching Stuckey’s play in this game, it is probably better for him to play of the bench.  

    • Nov 19, 20129:59 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Couple of things:

      - Moving to the bench was actually Stuckey’s idea. He had to talk Frank into it.

      - Singler is not a point forward. He doesn’t handle the ball well enough. Dunleavy was a perimeter player his entire career, even though he’s tall. Singler has always been a PF with shooting range. He’s defended PFs and has never been expected to create off the dribble. It would be a disaster if the Pistons were asking him to do that. They’re essentially asking him to make jumpers, move without the ball and defend.

      • Nov 19, 20125:38 pm
        by Scott Free

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        Singler a PF in the NBA?   Sure he kinda played it in Duke and he’s got an inch on an undersized Maxiel, but Austin Daye has about 4 (and we both know that doesn’t make him a Power Forward). 

        • Nov 19, 20125:45 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          I didn’t say he was a power forward in the NBA. I said he’s been a power forward his entire life. He has the skillset of a stretch four. I don’t necessarily think he can guard fours at this point, but I also certainly don’t think he’s a ‘point forward’ type of player as the commenter above suggested.

  • Nov 19, 20129:59 am
    by MNM

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    Their was a Daye sighting lastnight

    • Nov 19, 201212:23 pm
      by tarsier

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      And they didn’t update the stretch 4 competition graph even though Daye missed another 3 to go from 0% to ummmm 0%.

      • Nov 19, 20127:37 pm
        by MNM

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        They need to get him a “Where’s Waldo?” sweater and have him rotate it with CV.

  • Nov 19, 201211:16 am
    by Tommy B

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    Hey Patrick

    Love the website.  Keep up the good work.  

    What happened to English?  Did I miss something? 

    • Nov 19, 201211:17 am
      by Tommy B

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      Oops…see it above.  My fault.

  • Nov 19, 201212:22 pm
    by Cale

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    After reading the great analysis here, I have never felt fully compelled to comment because you, Patrick (as well as Dan), do a great job and I usually find myself, refreshingly, in agreement with your take (especially considering the sometimes lazy coverage of this team since its slid to 4th priority amongst its Detroit siblings). That said, I’ve definitely found myself compelled to speak out as the great minority here behind the overwhelming “PLAY DRUMMOND NO MATTER WHAT” movement. Granted, I absolutely love watching him play and agree that he brings a sense of excitement not witnessed around the Palace in years. Even with that caveat, I must say, I actually admire the restraint the coaching staff has shown with him by recognizing his ceiling and demanding he show the on-court discipline to attain it.

    I feel like a great deal of people have lost sight of the knocks on Drummond as he’s come in with a great attitude, good hustle, and an intelligence off the court a lot of fans were not expecting if all they followed was 10 cent draft day rhetoric, with regard to his time at Connecticut. While you could certainly notice some moments where he tuned out other players and coaches while on the court that we have yet to witness here, a more important element that we conveniently ignore is that he still would look completely lost out there if not for the natural recovery ability his athleticism allows. I can’t help but feel that the coaching staff is coming from a standpoint in which non-garbage bucket shots taken not within the flow of the game (whether they go in or not), or his continued struggle calling out defensive sets as timely and confidently as they would like, following switches, biting on every fake, etc still require work and discipline to correct and they are showing the patience to correct them for fear of his raw athleticism allowing him to develop bad habits, rather than becoming a great athlete and basketball player.

    This is where I disagree greatly with Patrick’s assessment that Coach Frank is giving non-answers to these questions. Without going into the specifics of Drummond’s mistakes (which are fewer than we expected, but still obvious if you’re watching with a critical eye), Frank is still basically saying they still want to take the time to break the game down for him and develop good habits. It’s a refreshingly “Piston”-like take for a team that let Brandon Knight basically do the complete opposite of this last year, I believe to his detriment. He’s still working on it and may be fine, but I do admire that in the face of poor attendance and losing money, this team has gone back to showing that it will still not buckle to the NBA Jam/Inside Stuff/SportsCenter Top 10-set, and still focus on the player development required of winning organizations. Think about it, how do you think Gregg Popovich would be handling Drummond right now? Can you answer that and still be as critical of Frank’s approach? Drummond has certainly been productive, but what people are ignoring is that his athleticism has still been covering up for some of the more out-of-the-flow play we have seen this year? Even though the end result has been positive for him, why not strive to get it to the point that exceeds “positive” and is as truly excellent as his potential suggests?
     

    • Nov 19, 201212:38 pm
      by tarsier

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      So what makes you think Pops wouldn’t play Drummond much. I greatly admire his coaching. He has never hesitated to throw a rookie to the wolves as long as he plays hard, smart, and can take a tongue-lashing.

      However, it’s hard to say with a case like Drummond because the Spurs are perpetually so good that he never gets a highly touted, exceptional talent like Drummond. All we have to work with for comparison is Duncan. And he came into the league much more polished than Drummond.

      Granted, he got a couple gems in Parker and Ginobili. But a late draft pick with nominal expectations is not the same thing as a guy who is generally considered to have a top two (and quite possibly top overall) ceiling for his entire draft. 

      • Nov 19, 201212:46 pm
        by Cale

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        Tarsier, you’re right, it’s a bit tougher to find a direct comparison, and some of my feeling is based on hunch, but a good bit of it is based on watching a player like Tiago Splitter when he first came into the league.  Sure, he got some minutes right away because they needed the size, but if he did something that could be considered outside of the flow of the game (even if he could mitigate it with size or athleticism), he was still pulled aside and the effort was made to instill more discipline or a better understanding of the what the team was trying to run. As boring as it might sound to break down the play of Tiago Splitter, you can tell the difference in his game from when he first came to the US to his rotational minutes now. An improvement like that from Drummond would contribute positively to his eventual impact with the Pistons exponentially.

      • Nov 20, 20129:30 am
        by Derek

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        @tarsier Cale makes a strong case for Pop not playing Drummond.  I think if maintain the constant that Pop runs a tight and regimented ship.  He keeps his system running by giving playing time to those who get it (aptitude wise) and buy into what they’re doing (attitude and actions flow in accord to the program).

        While San An seldom gets high draft picks (exception being Duncan) which means we have very little in a way of a one to one comparison, we can still look at how he brings players along.  In some systems Ginoboli and Parker would have started right away, but in San An those players sat the bench until they could get what Pop was preaching.  The same could be said with Splitter, who has been in and out of the rotation.

        We can also look at Dejaun Blair, a player who played extremely well as a rookie, dominated the Rook/Soph game, played considerable minutes as a rotation player, and made the US select team.  Pop has not hesitated to pull him from the rotation when he didn’t “get it”.

        Richard Jefferson is another good example.  Jefferson was a vet who played several years and even made multiple appearances in the Finals.  Pop required that he come back in the summer to work on his fundamentals so he could be a productive part of the rotation.

        Drummond would get the typical Pop treatment.  If he could “get” (aptitude, attitude, and ability) the San An system, he would play.  If he could not “get” the system he would sit.

        Drummond is a freak with considerable potential.  If his abilities are tempered, guided, and harnessed he could be a superstar.  If he is allowed to run free and confused, he could be a repeat star on episodes of Shaqtn’ the Fool.

        I get frustrated with Drummond not playing, but I see value in him being brought along slowly if the end result will be a much better product in the long run.

        • Nov 20, 201210:36 am
          by tarsier

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          I suppose I just feel like we are lacking any evidence that Drummond isn’t “getting it”.

  • Nov 19, 201212:40 pm
    by tarsier

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    Good to have a couple wins. Now hopefully the more dramatic commenters will realize that this is a run of the mill bad team not a special, mind-boggling new level of suck. Just like last year.

    • Nov 19, 20124:58 pm
      by frankie d

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      agreed.  problem is that the team should be much further along than that, by this point.  
      it’s one thing to go through 3 bad years and have a team that is obviously brimming with and being led by young, breakout talent.
      it’s another thing to have a team whose on-court leader is tayshaun prince and which features a couple of other on-the-decline, mid-level talents like magette and maxiell among it’s top 7-8 players.
      at the rate the team is progressing, i can easily see it on this slight upgrade path for the next 2 years, at least.
      how much faster could that upgrade have been accomplished with a few smart ruthless moves and a real commitment to hungry, young players? 

      • Nov 20, 201210:37 am
        by tarsier

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        Yeah, if you are rebuilding, you should really be doing it a faster pace than just your default annual draft picks.

  • Nov 19, 20121:16 pm
    by hirobeats

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    I’m with it. Good ball game.

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