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Rodney Stuckey, Greg Monroe continue poor starts to season in loss to Suns

89 Recap | Box Score  92
Jason Maxiell, PF 31 MIN | 7-12 FG | 2-3 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 16 PTS | -9 

Maxiell got off to a great start with 11 points in the first seven minutes. The starting frontcourt was bad defensively most of this game, though. It was hard to tell if that was more Maxiell’s fault or Monroe’s, but both were bad.

Tayshaun Prince, SF 34 MIN | 7-15 FG | 3-5 FT | 3 REB | 2 AST | 18 PTS | 0 

No complaints about Prince tonight. He shot when he was open, he didn’t hold the ball too long and he seems to be embracing more of a complementary role than he’s played the previous three seasons. All good news.

Greg Monroe, C 29 MIN | 5-17 FG | 0-2 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 10 PTS | -6 

Monroe was pretty awful offensively and defensively. He’s settling for jumpers a lot, he’s passive and he’s letting opposing bigs get any position they want against him.

Brandon Knight, PG 31 MIN | 5-12 FG | 1-2 FT | 5 REB | 10 AST | 13 PTS | -7 

Knight recovered from a poor first half to have a pretty nice — dare I say it — point guard-like game with 10 assists and just two turnovers.

Rodney Stuckey, PG 22 MIN | 0-7 FG | 1-1 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 1 PTS | -7 

For the second straight season, it’s fair to say Stuckey is slumping at the beginning of the year. He’s now 1-for-17 in two games.

Jonas Jerebko, PF 17 MIN | 5-10 FG | 1-1 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 11 PTS | +7 

Jerebko led a second unit — primarily Jerebko, Singler and Drummond — that helped keep the Pistons in the game when their starters were mostly struggling.

Kyle Singler, SF 24 MIN | 2-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 5 PTS | +3 

Singler’s stats weren’t as impressive as the first game, but he was still solid and he hit a 3-pointer with five seconds left that cut the lead to two and gave the Pistons an opportunity to tie it on a final shot. Can’t ask for much more than that.

Andre Drummond, C 19 MIN | 2-3 FG | 1-3 FT | 8 REB | 1 AST | 5 PTS | +3 

Drummond played more than in the season opener, which is good. He played much better than the season opener, also good. Unfortunately, he still didn’t’ play enough.

Will Bynum, PG 17 MIN | 4-9 FG | 2-2 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 10 PTS | +3 

Bynum gave good energy and contributed to a second unit that was energetic and, overall, much more fun to watch than the starters. He was a bit more out of control tonight than he was against the Rockets in the opener though.

Kim English, SG 16 MIN | 0-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 1 REB | 2 AST | 0 PTS | -2 

English didn’t play as well as he did Wednesday, but I still would’ve liked to have seen more of him with Stuckey struggling so much.

Things We Saw

In defense of Lawrence Frank … 

Frank took a beating in the game preview comments. I’m not saying that a lot of the criticisms aren’t warranted, but at the same time, the Pistons lost this game because they got a really passive performance out of their best player, Monroe, and they got absolutely nothing from (arguably) their second best player, Stuckey. Even a coach pushing all the right buttons would probably still lose most games with awful performances out of his best two players. Frank deserves blame, but let’s not get carried away with only pinning the responsibility on him. If Monroe is the player we think and hope he is, he can’t be a pushover defensively like he has the last two games.Any offense is going to look bad when two of the key players on the team are slumping to start the season. Maybe it’s the offense itself that is causing their slumps, but I doubt it. Stuckey and Monroe are just playing poorly.

No defense for Frank here … 

OK, now that that’s out of the way, here are my two biggest grievances with Frank at the moment:

- He should have to answer the question, “Why are you so opposed to playing Drummond and Monroe together?” I’m not in the media scrums, so maybe he’s been asked the question and just given a coach-speak, say-nothing reply. Or maybe he hasn’t been asked the question bluntly enough. But there’s no good reason why we haven’t seen that combination up front.

- On the final play of the game, the Pistons needed a 3-pointer. But they had two players on the floor — Maxiell and Monroe — who were no threat to shoot the three, and another in Prince who isn’t a bad 3-point shooter, but he’s also not the best bet to get off a quick catch and shoot. So the team had two real options to go to on that play — Singler or Knight. I can’t imagine that was a very hard possession to defend for Phoenix.Yes, the offense looks awful in the halfcourt at times. Yes, the defense might actually be worse than it was last year when it was already brutally bad. Frank should answer for both of those things, but I’m also willing to wait for a large sample this season before I conclude that his offensive and defensive systems are complete failures.Players are struggling, and that’s not Frank’s fault. The lineups he’s choosing, however, are his fault and deserve to be questioned.

Andre Drummond doesn’t need to start

Drummond simply needs to play more and he needs some minutes with Monroe. If those two things are addressed, I’ll be satisfied even if Drummond isn’t starting. The reason I’ll be satisfied is because this second unit is a lot of fun right now. Bynum, Singler, Jerebko, English and Drummond bring a crazy amount of energy into the game, and it’s a welcome sight since the guys in the starting lineup are more of the quiet, laid-back types. The Pistons absolutely need to do something to shake out of the doldrums, but I’d be really hesitant to mess much with a unit that seems to have really good chemistry right now.

Knight looked like kind of a point guard

I mentioned it above, but it deserves more dissection — Knight’s decision-making was overall really good tonight. He had 10 assists with just two turnovers. He still holds the ball a little too long sometimes, he still basically only goes to his right and he still takes unnecessary chances sometimes — exhibit A was when he tried to throw about a 30-foot bounce pass through three defenders … it didn’t work — but he’s getting better. I’m still skeptical he’ll ever be more than a scoring hybrid guard who can occasionally play PG, but he looks improved in a few key areas this season. Hopefully that trend continues.

67 Comments

  • Nov 3, 20121:19 am
    by Nick

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    It seems like since the season started Will Bynum does not throw the lob pass to Drummond after he sets the screen. He did it all preseason and now he doesn’t look for Drummond at all anymore.

    • Nov 3, 20121:25 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Drummond also hasn’t been cutting as aggressively to the basket and defenses are better with regular season lineups playing. They aren’t just going to give that to Drummond, knowing that’s what he wants to do.

  • Nov 3, 20121:21 am
    by tarsier

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    Sruckey is shooting overall like CV shoots 3s. How fun. That said, I have a lot more faith in Stuckey to snap out of it. He’s gone for bad stretches and good stretches in virtually every one of his NBA seasons.

    At this point, I just want Stuckey to work his ass off to become an elite defender. he has all the tools. If he can accomplish that, he’ll be the non-star but worthwhile starter that he could be. And his tendency to get to the line will be icing on the cake.

    Monroe HAS TO snap out of it. he was slumping at the tail end of last season too. At the time, I assumed it was progressive fatigue. But if he keeps playing at this level for another 5 games or so, we’ll have to start seeing this as a real problem.

  • Nov 3, 20121:24 am
    by tarsier

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    Also, you should do a post for the benefit of your PP commenters on the fact that Lawrence Frank’s name does not contain an “s”. Every time I see someone reference “franks”, I have to remind my brain that they aren’t talking about hot dogs.

  • Nov 3, 20121:25 am
    by Ray

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    Now we are speaking the same language! I Hate YOU FRANK!!! Is gonna be my motto…

    I don’t mind Monroe taking those jumpers, they were good looks and Knight was setting him up nicely …and he can make that shot …it also didn’t allow the defense to set …. Now imagine Drummond, cleaning up some of those misses? Drummond doesn’t need to start, I disagree… Maxiell bring more to the 2nd line up than Drummond if for no other reason he has the green light to shoot that lil jumper …

    Knight missed his first few shots and then he was brilliant, penetrated found the open man…he probably could have had one of two more turnover…but if stuckey and Greg was on he probably should have had 3-4 more ast ….

    I’m tired of Stuckey, he’d be a good 6th man ….but the starting line up needs shooting not a SG that just throws his body around…I’m even calling must of his plays charges….

    Overall Frank will lose this team early if adjustments don’t happen … Its not about 0-2 …its about the lack of coaching intangibles

  • Nov 3, 20121:27 am
    by vic

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    look at Houston, their coach was a hall of fame nba player. he knows its a talent league. they just picked up a star player the othee day. no system beat in over time. Lin and Harden played 40 minutes each. they only played 9 players. 
     we have some talent too, its just time to get some good coaching behind it. to  me, if our best players are slumping, and we’re still in the game, thats normsl because we are supposed to beat thrse teams anyway. 
     if Drummond plays more these losses are wins. he makes mistakes, but he changes the other teams offense and he gets rebounds at a high rste.

    this coaching is so ridiculous it seems like we’re tanking already. my only consolation is that msx is expiring.
     

    • Nov 3, 20121:49 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      The Pistons have no one on their team even close the caliber of player Harden is. If there was a Harden on this team, Frank would be playing him just as much as any coach in the league. The Pistons lack talent. Frank has made bad decisions as a coach, but this is not a team that is more than a lottery team right now. They have one semi-established young piece in Monroe and a couple others who may or may not develop into good players. There is still a major, major talent deficit on this team. Good coaching would certainly be welcome, but even a good coach is not winning much with this roster. They have no 3-point shooting and they have maybe two total players who could be described as even average defensively.

      • Nov 3, 20128:49 am
        by Vic

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        This team has plenty of talent to beat the last two teams it has played. Frank has coached them into losing by not using his only competitive advantage, his most naturally talented player. Drummond makes defense easier for everyone and he’s an easy offensive option. 
        Maxiell has always been explosive for short bursts but it takes a real center to defend the paint and get the rebounds you need to get enough possessions to win. We are still a feast for every PF and center being defended by Greg Monroe and Jason Maxiell. This loses games and there is no excuse and no one else to blame but Frank.
        Real basketball players know when they’re not being put in a position to win, and they respond accordingly. Eventually Kuester wore out his welcome, and Frank will too if he doesn’t shut his mouth up and FEED THE MONSTER AND THE BEAST! 
        Give drummond the same freedom Harden has instead of treating him like a kid from the slow bus, and I guarantee you we win the last two games. The Pistons have the pieces Right Now to get well into the playoffs.

        • Nov 3, 20128:52 am
          by Vic

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          Basketball is a team sport your only as strong as your weakestKline especially if he’s the center. Houston is not only dominating because of Harden, but because of Asik!

          • Nov 3, 20129:12 am
            by vic

            on any normal team coached by someone that wants to win, especially a team that claims to be ‘defense first’   the center that can anchor the defense is the one who starts and gets most minutes. the center that can give bursts of energy and scoring comes off the bench. when has Max evrn hit 19 and 10 even in preseason?
            this is not a small thing, its the main thing and the ripple effects make us a .000 team ibstead of 2-0 

      • Nov 3, 201212:18 pm
        by tarsier

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        I dunno. If there was a player as talented as Harden on the team but he was an unproven rookie, Frank might prefer putting Prince out there.

        • Nov 3, 201212:22 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Harden played 22 minutes per game as a rookie, and he was far more NBA-ready than Drummond is. He wasn’t a starter and only played 31 minutes per game last year. Coaches always make baffling decisions with their rotations/minutes distribution. It’s not exclusive to Detroit.

  • Nov 3, 20121:29 am
    by Ray

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    Must=most

  • Nov 3, 20121:30 am
    by kamal

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    Monroe can’t guard these big 5s.  He gets abused down low which affects his offense because he exerts so much energy on D trying to body up.  He would’ve abused Scola (at least I hope).  Maxiell had a fine game but I thought we drafted Drummond so that Monroe can slide over to the 4, not back Monroe up.  

    Geez 

    • Nov 3, 20121:38 am
      by Mark

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      Exactly. The fact that Frank can’t recognize something so simple and obviuos, that Drummond is better fit at Center than Monroe, is reason enough to dismiss him from his duties. 

      We all predicted Monroe was going to get abused by Asik/Gortat. How could Frank not see it coming a mile away? Even worse, how can he still stay with it when he’s got Howard, Cousins, Perkins, McGee, and Asik again coming up?

      He doesn’t learn from his mistakes. Most coach’s make half-time adjustments when somethings not working. It takes Frank like 20 games to make adjustments. Its insane. 

    • Nov 3, 20121:47 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “he exerts so much energy on D trying to body up.”

      When exactly was he trying to body someone up? If anything, he shies away from contact on defense. 

  • Nov 3, 20121:33 am
    by kamal

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    Oh, and Stuckey sucks.  I’m sure his blind homer fans will point to his inevitable annual 3 week spurt in which Stuckey plays like an all star as evidence as to him finally turning the corner.

    I wish we still had Rip. 

    • Nov 3, 20121:46 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Yes, that’s exactly what they need is Hamilton. Bring back an obstinate veteran who openly hated being here, wouldn’t accept not being in a primary role and hated and didn’t trust the GM after the Billups trade. That would be fantastic for a team trying to develop young players.

      • Nov 3, 20121:51 am
        by kamal

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        Rip hated how he was treated by Kuester.  And I want to win.  They’ve been trying to develop Stuckey for 5 years now.  Some guys ain’t got it.  I know Rip is never coming back and it’s probably for the best, but at least I knew what I was going to get with him when he’s healthy; 15-20 a night.  That works for me.

        Stuckey?  You never know. 

        • Nov 3, 20121:56 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          I think you’re mis-remembering some of the things that came out after Hamilton left. He said he had ‘no problems’ with Kuester. Then, when he was asked about his relationship with Dumars, he just gave the reporter who asked a sarcastic smile and ‘no comment.’ Unfortunately, the Oakland Press no longer has the video on their website, but we posted on it:

          http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/01/rip-hamiltons-issues-with-the-pistons-were-clearly-with-the-front-office/

          And I agree that Stuckey is probably not a starter on a good team, unless the talent around him is significantly better than he is. I just wouldn’t wish for Hamilton (or Gordon, for that matter) as the alternative to him either. 

          • Nov 3, 20122:09 am
            by kamal

            Honestly, I was 90% behind Rip during those final years (I thought that boycott was bullshit). 

            But, let’s not harp over the past.  Hopefully, Stuckey gets it going in L.A. 

  • Nov 3, 20121:35 am
    by Mark

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    Frank needs to go. Vince Ellis asked if change needed to be made, and Frank gave a smug cocky answer like he knows everything. Meanwhile he’s 0-16 to start ’09, 4-20 to start ’11, and now 0-2 to start ’12, likely to be 0-3 playing an angry LA next. He doesn’t know shit. 

    • Nov 3, 20125:06 pm
      by jerrific

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      except last year was his first as Pistons coach soooo..

      the lakers are also 0-2, is that enough evidence to fire mike brown? don’t get me wrong, i’m not a huge frank fan either. however, even talented teams can start a season off poorly. 

      • Nov 3, 20125:24 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        You’re right on that … plenty of teams off to bad starts are much better by the end of the season. And the Lakers are actually 0-3 right now, but I still don’t doubt they’ll be a title contender by the end of the year. Even last year, a team like Philly looked fantastic at the beginning of the season and terrible by the end. It’s a long season and the Pistons still could get much better. Nothing to panic about yet, even though they certainly haven’t looked good.

  • Nov 3, 20121:35 am
    by Nick

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    After 2 games I think we all should start looking at the Shabazz Muhammad highlights on youtube LMAO

  • Nov 3, 20121:38 am
    by Mel

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    I usually give 15 to 20 games to judge a team coming out the gate. But this team has practiced the whole summer and the starters play like old 70 year old men, No passion on the court. At least the rookies play like they want it. Stuckey plays like its his first game ever in the NBA. ( and I liked Stuckey, not now, until he gets his head out of his A$$). Frank is a coach that over thinks and it’s hurting the team, defense sucks until Drummond is on the floor. My starting line up:
    Knight / Bynum
    Singler/ English/ Stucky
    Monroe/Max
    Drummond/Slava/
    Prince /Middleton 
    I like Singler because he’s a gamer, good things happen when he’s on the court. And I was skeptical at first. Better than no hustle Stucky.

  • Nov 3, 20121:40 am
    by Mel

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    Sorry left out Jonas, start him and make Prince come off the bench after Middleton.

    • Nov 3, 20121:44 am
      by Patrick Hayes

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      What did Prince do? He actually played pretty well tonight, and you’re going to bench him in favor of a second round pick who doesn’t dribble or defend well?

      • Nov 3, 201212:23 pm
        by tarsier

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        It’s true. Thus far, I have actually been very OK with Prince this season. i still think he should be traded because he could be of more value to another team than Detroit. But he appears to be doing all the right things here.

        • Nov 3, 201212:31 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Yep, I agree. Prince so far has been exactly what I hoped he’d be — a complementary player who let’s the young players sink or swim (usually sink so far, although Knight looked pretty good last night) running the offense.

  • Nov 3, 20121:41 am
    by Mark

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    The fact that Monroe has stuggled so much this year should be a huge indicator to Frank that maybe he needs some help up front.

    The fact that Monroe/Drummond together is not even an option for Frank is mind boggling.

  • Nov 3, 20121:43 am
    by Patrick Hayes

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    I’m just going to point out that Frank is not getting fired in-season. Joe Dumars would be admitting another failure to a new team owner — Rip Hamilton buyout, giving up a pick just to move Gordon, poor coaching hire — in about a year. It would take a start more awful than the awful start they had last season. It’s just not going to happen.

    • Nov 4, 20125:56 pm
      by jerrific

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      Good point. Joe is probably eager to prove that his track record with firing coaches can change as well. The number of coaches he’s gone through while in charge here is kind of ridiculous. 

  • Nov 3, 20121:51 am
    by Mel

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    Middleton will bring energy, and he does dribble when he need to. Prince is cool this game but what about when we play quicker small forwards. Id say use him as a utility guy when Middleton isn’t doing well. But at least he’ll get the experience and learn the speed of the game. Jonas with the sme minutes would have done better. IMHO

  • Nov 3, 20121:56 am
    by Mel

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    Whats also sad is Orlando and Charlotte won a game before we did. I know it’s early but I sure hope things turnaround by mid season.

  • Nov 3, 20122:21 am
    by Pimp Zombie

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    Beginning to think Moose may not be a true no.1 option?

    • Nov 3, 20122:42 am
      by Mark

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      Its impossible to judge based on the lineup around him. He has no shooters to spread the court, so the defense is always cluttered around the paint where he’s trying to operate. Its so predictable when he’s got the ball because the defense knows we have no outside shooters.

      Plus whoever is designing this offensive system needs to rethink what they are doing. There is no structure whatsoever.

      Isolayshaun has become IsoMoose, lol. Its like they just a running the same offense as last year, substituting Tayshaun for Moose. Where they dump the ball into him and all 5 defenders crowd the paint and watch him go 1 on 5, while the rest of our team watches with them, lol 

  • Nov 3, 20122:43 am
    by Venice

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    We cant do anything about this .I think its best to give the minutes the to young players and let them develop. That way, we  will get a good lottery pick for Shabazz Muhammad .and go to playoffs next season.

  • Nov 3, 20123:21 am
    by Domnick

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    time to trade stuckey… if we lose game no. 3… then we need some changes!

  • Nov 3, 20123:23 am
    by Nick

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    I do know one thing if Frank don’t give Drummond any long minutes against the Lakers Its gonna be a long sun night.

  • Nov 3, 20123:49 am
    by Nick

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    An article in Detroit News says Stuckey been having real bad headaches and migraines that he been trying to play through. Maybe thats why he been stinking it up right now.

    • Nov 3, 20129:13 am
      by inigo montoya

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      I was wondering why Stuckey was holding his head/ears at every play stoppage.
       
      Speaking of Frank’s offensive schemes.  I have to wonder why on a lot of offensive sets that Stuckey, playing the 2 position, just sets up camp in the corner with no movement.  Sure Stuckey is available for the corner 3, but I have 2 concerns with that scheme.  1) Does Stuckey exhibit the necessary accuracy in shooting 3 pointers in practice to justify trying to translate practice success to game-time? 2)  even if Stuckey is adequate to NBA average in shooting the corner 3, is that the most efficient use of his talents? What I have observed is that most 2 guards guarding Stuckey play Stuckey’s dribble drive and Stuckey has any pull-up jumper any time he wants.  Somewhat disappointing that after 5 years in the league Stuckey has not consistently been a good enough shooter to take advantage of that.

    • Nov 3, 20129:31 am
      by acr

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      Yeah, the migraines have probably affected him quite a bit – it was obvious yesterday.  That said, both he and Monroe haven’t played well the first two games – if we get even a so-so performance from either of those two, we’re 2-0.  Obviously there are offensive/defensive/rotation issues that need to be ironed out – but we still win both games if either Stuck or Moose comes close to an average game.

      Also, did you guys see Harden go off again last night?  Dude is a joy to watch… 

  • Nov 3, 20124:38 am
    by Fennis

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    The Case Against Lawrence Frank
     
    I have serious concerns about Frank. People have criticized his rotation, and while I agree that his rotation choices are questionable that is the least of it. As our fairly astute owner said the other night, the only mandate for the GM, the coach, and the players is that the team must get better. Well, Lawrence Frank has had a full off-season, full training camp, no major injuries, and in my humble opinion this team looks worse than one that went .500 against bad teams in the latter half of last season. How is this possible? The players have worked too hard to simply dismiss this poor play as an anomaly. It’s not merely about wins and losses. It’s about bad basketball.
    This team does not defend well. In fact the defense is horrendous. The perimeter defense is bad. The interior defense is bad. I’m tired of Frank’s bromide’s, I’m tired of his principles, I’m tired of his rhetoric about championship culture. Tom Gore’s said it — just get better. Pistons fans would be more than satisfied at this point if this team with marginal talent simply improved. Sadly, the team is regressing.
    The chemistry among the starters is as bad as ever. They look uncoordinated on offense and its layups galore on defense. Keep in mind, this comes after what most agree was significant off-season upgrade in talent. No, they are not the Lakers, but they should be better simply based on their talent upgrade alone. They stink.
    My theory? First, Frank over coaches. He has too much to say, he’s too controlling, and he’s inflexible in his management of the team. Someone mentioned that the players aren’t having fun. It’s in part because they’re overloaded with Frankology. This guy doesn’t know how to let players breathe. The game is not flowing naturally for this group. Nothing on the court looks fluid right now.
    Yes, I’m upset with the playing time Drummond and Singler are getting (though I think keeping Drummond out of the starting lineup is a smart, prudent approach). But the defense is the biggest concern. Frank sells himself as a defensive guru, yet our team defense is awful. Brandon Knight’s defense is shockingly poor for a young player of his athletic ability. Prince? I love Tay, but someone needs to stand up to this guy and let him know that his defensive effort is half ass at best.
    I’m not happy. I’m fearful that Frank is a talker. He’s smart and hardworking, but that doesn’t always translate to competence. I mean he’s had some truly gruesome starts in this league. And rather than analyzing the problem and making adjustments, he relies on a few fundamental principles of championship basketball as though they’re destined to take him to the promise land.
    I haven’t given up on Frank. I think he has a lot of potential, but I also think that he over coaches, is a bit of a control freak, and hasn’t figured out how to shape his scheme to his talent.
     
     

    • Nov 3, 20128:34 am
      by Vic

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      He thinks he’s playing chess. He doesn’t want to win he wants to teach principles

  • Nov 3, 20126:26 am
    by ryan

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    I’m surprised and disappointed by several things 1) that Greg Monroe has had a pretty weak start. He should be taking a big step forward but instead he’s stumbling. 2) that Lawrence Frank isn’t playing Andre Drummond more. I can’t think why not. 3) That Rodney Stuckey has shit the bed. I was hoping that Stuckey would make one of those Jerry Stackhouse like mid career changes but so far he ain’t.

    That said I’m not very panicked about any of this. It’s early and we’ve dropped a couple but we were in each game. We might be in for a crap season but I’m not going to start thinking that way yet.
    If I was Joe Dumars I would begin to seriously explore what I could get for Rodney Stuckey or if he could be used as a third guard off the bench. I would also tell Lawrence to let the young fellas play.

  • Nov 3, 20127:33 am
    by Ben Fridsma

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    What i want to see happen is Stuckey not starting sunday. give bynum the start. see what happens. Bynum has worked his ass off in  the 1st 2 games. If he doesnt do good in the 1st go back to what we do. start stuckey and have bynum come off the bench for stcukey and have english come off for Knight. English has made me happy so far. He only shot the ball 3 times last night so you can and cant give him crap for zero points.  Do i think we will beat the lakers. No way. so this is a game we should test the team out and see what happens against an elite team.

  • Nov 3, 20127:49 am
    by Ray

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    I HATE YOU FRANK!!!

    I’m THE COMMERCIAL WHERE U ARE WORKING LATE IN THE OFFICE…WHAT EXACTLY WERE U DOING? FILING TAXES?

    TOM Gore needs someone to teach him about rotations, as far as he is concern he might actual think we are 2-0

    • Nov 3, 20128:39 am
      by J in FLA

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      This is NOT the kind of comments we need.  Go spew this stuff on DBB.  It’s been 2 games!  Give them some time.  Everybody here needs to chill until this whole west coast trip is done.  THEN you can start typing in all caps like an angry teenager.  Oh, and Tom Gores knows next to nothing about basketball.  He does not make the lineup decisions.  And more than likely never will.  That’s why he has Lawrence Frank.

  • Nov 3, 20129:56 am
    by DasMark

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    Wasn’t aware Stuckey was experiencing migraines. I had one once, I couldn’t even function. If that’s really the case with him, I give him a pass for his poor play. 

    It’s so early in the season, if you’re watching a lot of games (like me), you will see a lot of teams are under performing so far.  Heck, the Lakers are 0-3! 

    Don’t pull the trigger on this team so early. They have four rookies they’re trying to integrate into their team, with a brutal west coast road trip. Give them some time.

    Also, Harden went off for 45 last night, so it wasn’t just Detroit letting him “get his”. The guy is going to be doing this against most teams and will challenge for the scoring title this year.  

    • Nov 3, 201210:43 am
      by Crispus

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      But if Stuckey’s really being affected by migraines, shouldn’t he recuse himself from the starting lineup? He’s clearly playing awful. Maybe he should call Percy Harvin and see if he has advice…

      I agree that it’s too early for panic. The Pistons are competitive so far, just bungling games at the end. Remember the beginning of last season? I believe we lost the first 20 games by an average of 35 points, scoring about 55.5 per game.

      I think Frank is just trying not to look like a pushover on Drummond. He’ll ease him in and he’ll be playing big minutes in no time. Bring him along slow so he doesn’t end up like JaVale McGee.

  • Nov 3, 201210:10 am
    by vic

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    i was tempted to start a fire frank in all caps meme too. i dint want to do that, i wouldnt really wish that on anybody. but he does need to change his strategy real quick, and shut up and play his best players.
     
     

  • Nov 3, 201210:28 am
    by bugsygod

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    AGAIN if this is Frank as a coach the termination papers are being written now.  To not play drummond with monroe is RIDICULOUS!!   whats the point of drafting Drummond???  Drummond plays 19 mins ?  thats just stupid coaching. 
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    why bring in singler for stucky i thought english was his back up?  again weird coaching decisions. 

    • Nov 3, 201211:02 am
      by vic

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      I don’t mind playing Singler at shooting guard if he can defend the position better. I mean I’m not sure if he really slowed down Shannon Brown but Frank said he did… whatever. 

      But my problem is playing Singler at SF and Jerebko at PF. That’s too small and the paint will never be defended with those two as the forwards.
      If Stuckey isn’t producing, then play

      Knight
      Singler
      Jerebko/Prince
      Monroe
      Drummond

      Now that’s a winning team. Cutters, passers, smarts, shooters, and athletic paint defense. 

       

  • Nov 3, 201210:37 am
    by MNM

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     Monroe is not good on defense..not suprising. Which is a big reason they drafted Drummond. Monroe isn’t known for that. Drummond, at a minimum should be playing at least 20min a game. Greg Kelser made a good point about Monroe last night, when he mentioned that part of Monroe’s problem is when he gets the ball on offense, he hesitates before making his move. Like he gets the ball and goes “ok, got the ball, time to make my move!” instead of just not thinking so much and just going for it.. because of that hesitation, it’s buying defenses time to get good positioning on Greg to give him a hard time. It already hard enough with him looking like he’s trying to run through water in a pool.
     
     I don’t need to see Tay play 30plus minutes a game (31min in this game). Don’t know how long this trend is going to continue but it’s not doing anybody any good but Tay, because he’s getting big starters minutes, which is what he wants… Jonas, Kyle and Khris(who hasn’t gotten any minutes yet) are all small forwards and are younger and can hustle. If they are the future and the future is “now”, then let’s get going with this and start cutting his minutes sooner rather than later.. Ofcourse, once Maggette comes back then that is going to cut into those younger minutes, including Kim English at the backup shooting gaurd.. Which is also an issue.  Headache or no headache, Stuckey, is Stuckey..What are you going to do, other than not give him a 3 year contract instead of a 1 year for him to prove his worth..

     Oh, CV and AD again didn’t play… God I can’t stand them.   
     

       
      

  • Nov 3, 201210:46 am
    by koz

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    Why isn’t Middleton given a shot when Suckey is playing so poorly? He’s more athletic than English isn’t he? If he ain’t feeling right or having a bad night give someone else a chance, at least find out what some of these guys can do. Look at Lin in New York. D’antoni gave the kid a chance maybe ’cause he had to but look what emerged… why not try? What is the big friggin deal? Middleton could miss his first shot and the coach is complaining and crappin his pants, Suckey can go 0-17 and Frank’s saying “hang in here kid, I believe in ya, keep firing away” I just don’t get it.

  • Nov 3, 20121:42 pm
    by Max

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    How come this site has made no mention of the fact that Frank’s family lives in New Jersey, was caught in the storm and hasn’t had power since?   It’s not exactly an excuse for the first two games but maybe some people wouldn’t be so strident and harsh if they knew. 
    Also, hearing about Stuckey’s injuries validated my thoughts on Stuckey’s terrible play so far because you could tell by the way he was holding his head and plugging his ears between plays that something was definitely wrong with him and that he was extremely uncomfortable.   I’ve made fun of Pippen plenty of times for missing such a decisive playoff game as he did but I don’t understand why Stuckey would play the first two games of the season in such a condition. 

  • Nov 3, 20121:45 pm
    by Fennis

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    I agree that it’s too early to panic. But my concern isn’t based on the two game “sample size.” It’s based in the poor play I saw throughout the preseason, which was obscured by Drummond’s surprisingly good start.

    • Nov 3, 20122:42 pm
      by Max

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      I 100% agree with anyone who thinks Drummond should start or come in and not exit the game till he fouls out like Hondo.  It’s absurd that Monroe and Drummond didn’t play more together in the preseason and they absolutely must play on the court together every night for 10 minutes or more.   Drummond must be a true 6th man who plays as much time with the 1rst squad as the 2nd.  
      Everyone who is down on Maxiell probably liked him when he was the 7th to 9th man and no matter how well he is playing right now, that is probably still where he should be.   He needs to be an energy player.   Last night, he started and played great right away but didn’t do much after when Scola started flourishing. 
      Drummond is the game changer on this team.  For one thing, he is setting aggressive picks without fouling that are leading to predictable open jumpers.   Ben Gordon could have played with this guy.  Already, no one is willing to leave Drummond to cede the roll or offensive rebound.  For another, he made the best Pistons’ pass of the season to Jerebko last night.   He is the player who gets the bench up and cheering.   He must start or come in and play till he fouls out.  His chemistry with Bynum has been better so far?   Who cares?  He’s got to work on his chemistry with Knight.  
      Don’t know when Frank is going to figure it out but my guess is that it will all happen quickly with Drummond getting a minute or three more each game.  
       

  • Nov 3, 20122:50 pm
    by Max

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    @Patrick  
    Glad to see you are acknowledging Tay’s fairly subtle but noticeable shift in trying to get the ball quickly to the young players and especially on nights when he took his fair share of shots. 

    • Nov 3, 20124:46 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I have absolutely zero problem with Prince in the right role. he’s doing what is best for this young team to try and grow and he deserves major credit for that. I still think he’d be far more valuable on a contending team, but I have no problem with him around if he’s playing like this.

  • Nov 3, 20123:03 pm
    by frankie d

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    what is truly disappointing is that the team should at least be ready to start the season prepared to play.
    this is, after all, the exact starting five that was together for the bulk of last season.
    the team looks like it is starting from scratch.
    the offensive scheme is hard to figure out.  every once in a while it is clear what they are trying to do, but most times, it looks like a fire drill with guys just running around and trying to make something out of nothing.
    defensively, the same glaring problem – interior defense – is still the same glaring problem.  and now that the whole league has had a full season to have observed that glaring problem, it is pretty obvious that everyone is going to attack them in the same way: drive the ball down the throat of the defense.     it is disappointing that the team is so unprepared to counter what should have been an anticipated strategy by other teams.  (like…maybe playing your seven footer who can block shots along with your seven footer who can rebound…)
    i’ve never been a big lawrence frank fan.  his stubborness – a trait very similar to his mentor’s, bobby knight – is in full display and not serving him or his team well.  i’m sure the team will straighten out many of the current problems – utter chaos on offense, no defensive structure – and start playing decent BB, but you have to wonder about a coach who brings his same basically veteran team back and is incapable of having that team play even respectable basketball. 

  • Nov 3, 20126:14 pm
    by Otis

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    This team needs a go-to player, and it doesn’t have one. Greg Monroe is proving why it isn’t and can’t be him, and anybody paying attention should have figured out Stuckey’s never going to be that guy. Why does everyone jump on somebody as being anti-Pistons who points out these things?

    The second unit actually looks good and includes the guys I want to watch. This team needs a serious transformation, structure, someone to run the offense. Time for Joe to step up, and since he can’t possibly hold out hope for free agency, between our young players (some of whom should be traded), solid veterans, and expiring contracts, the transformation may as well begin mid-season. 

  • Nov 3, 20129:44 pm
    by shawn

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    Greg Monroe always starts the season slow and Rodney Stuckey is suffering from Migrains. Brandon Knight is still learning the point guard position. A position that usually takes years to master. We should all relax, as has already been said. As the season progresses one of the rookies will force himself into the starting five by his play(I hope). When that happens we will all have already forgotten this wretched start.

  • Nov 3, 201210:14 pm
    by Chris N

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    Patrick, you’ve said in a few posts now that you think Drummond isn’t getting enough playing time.  What’s the right number for you?

    • Nov 3, 201210:19 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      20-30 minutes. If he’s dominating and not in foul trouble, boost that number up even more too. But I also have no problem yanking him if he’s passive or not aggressive, like he was in the opener. In college, he could get away with passivity at times because he had such physical advantages over everyone. That’s an awful habit for a NBA big though. Even less physically gifted bigs will dominate him if he’s not aggressive.

      Basically, I want him to have a rotation spot all season and see him get minutes in the first and second half like any backup would. After that, how many or how few he gets game to game is totally up to how engaged he is. If he’s into it, just keep rolling with him. If he slacks off, bench him that game, but also go right back to him the next game.

      I really liked how Frank handled Knight last season. There were games that Knight was really bad, but still played hard, so Frank generally left him out there. The few times when Knight was both bad and didn’t play with energy, he got benched. 

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