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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish we could get Laimbeer but he&#039;s the New York Liberty&#039;s Coach now. Woodsen and Laimbeer are on the Big stage now while we dwell in the Little league, Bad News Bears Style.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish we could get Laimbeer but he&#8217;s the New York Liberty&#8217;s Coach now. Woodsen and Laimbeer are on the Big stage now while we dwell in the Little league, Bad News Bears Style.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2012 05:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lambeer would be great for a young team building with some young talent at PF &amp; C.  He certainly knows how to win, doesn&#039;t shine the bull... wouldn&#039;t tolerate the turnovers, wouldn&#039;t tolerate the bad basic defense, and clearly could do better than Sir Frank has - by at least not - watching as our players one by one lose their confidence and skills.  Who&#039;s next on the decline?  Monroe?

Charlie V averaged more than 16 PPG in 26 minutes for Milwaukee, BG..., Stuckey and JJ both appear lost out there these days and Will Bynum is allowed to go ball hogging in turnover land for no apparent reason.  Brandon Knight has regressed significantly in scoring and turnovers and continues to do so right when we need fewer turnovers and more scoring.  And BTW someone should tell Brandon Knight that increasing assists is NOT good if large increases in turnovers goes with it.

Frank is playing a 10 man rotation when there are not 10 players that deserve minutes no matter how bad they play.  

To paraphrase, Frank recently rhetorically asked in response to a question from the press &quot;What are we going to do with Will B if Stuckey plays backup point?&quot;, right after Will B had a 1/6 shooting night with 4 turnovers or so... wow, Frank should know the answer to that question and NOT put it out there in the press that he doesn&#039;t know the answer.  Bench Will Bynum until the ball hog can create assists without massive turnover numbers.  Wil B learns best from the a good benching... he has proven that over the years.  

Stuckey can produce 15 points per 32 minutes and will share the ball given the right guidance and coaching. 

And on the subject of Andre Drummond...So this is how you bring a talented young big along?  Teach him how to lose and put him on the floor with players that probably won&#039;t be in the league in a year or two and who&#039;s only interest or BB IQ appears to be in padding there scoring statistics?  

This is how you CAREFULLY, SLOOOWLY bring the young man along?  MY GOD JIM ARE YOU INSANE? (Star Trek quote seemed appropriate).  So, No matter how well Andre plays his time on the floor only can go DOWN if he does something wrong.  The kid scored 22 points in about 24 minutes against OKC and the next game the coach yanked him after 5 minutes...

If Dumars and Frank are doing what they are doing to show case the older guys for the trade deadline, they both should be fired.  That will not work, there is not a veteran starter in the bunch.

By not playing their second round picks this year, and not playing there free agent Ctrl-V Euro Big this year (we&#039;ll see), the Pistons have tacitly admitted those were mistakes too.  Even if they were long shots you expect to hit once or twice with them.  You would expect more than 2 good draft choices out of ALL THE MOVE MADE IN THE LAST 6 YEARS.  Joe D&#039;s record on BB moves is as bad as Rodney Stuckey&#039;s first 23 shots this season... Wow.   And Stuckey drought lasted 2 weeks not 6 YEARS.

Dumars knows he is treading on this ice with Gore, and if Frank is Gore&#039;s guy as stated elsewhere (Joe better hope so)...  Obviously Frank is on a very short leash (as he should be) especially if there is anybody out there in the bushes that has the skill.  Sure would be nice to see Bill L leading this team...

We won&#039;t even talk about the Millic draft... Sir Joe will have eternity to live that one down.  Or the AI for Chauncey move, we&#039;ll just act like that never happened.  

Maybe Joe D is afraid that Bill Lambeer would succeed...  and Joe would have to deal with a coach that demands excellence from everyone on the team even the GM.  Well Tom Gore could do that right now.  Start with eliminating L Frank... and lets go from there.  The stands will only get emptier otherwise - speaking of wise - Tom Gore had better get up on his BB IQ quick or get someone very close to him that is.  This languishing near the bottom of the Eastern Conference has gotten old and can&#039;t be good for the $$$ value of the team... Tommy... Tommy, come on out and play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lambeer would be great for a young team building with some young talent at PF &amp; C.  He certainly knows how to win, doesn&#8217;t shine the bull&#8230; wouldn&#8217;t tolerate the turnovers, wouldn&#8217;t tolerate the bad basic defense, and clearly could do better than Sir Frank has &#8211; by at least not &#8211; watching as our players one by one lose their confidence and skills.  Who&#8217;s next on the decline?  Monroe?</p>
<p>Charlie V averaged more than 16 PPG in 26 minutes for Milwaukee, BG&#8230;, Stuckey and JJ both appear lost out there these days and Will Bynum is allowed to go ball hogging in turnover land for no apparent reason.  Brandon Knight has regressed significantly in scoring and turnovers and continues to do so right when we need fewer turnovers and more scoring.  And BTW someone should tell Brandon Knight that increasing assists is NOT good if large increases in turnovers goes with it.</p>
<p>Frank is playing a 10 man rotation when there are not 10 players that deserve minutes no matter how bad they play.  </p>
<p>To paraphrase, Frank recently rhetorically asked in response to a question from the press &#8220;What are we going to do with Will B if Stuckey plays backup point?&#8221;, right after Will B had a 1/6 shooting night with 4 turnovers or so&#8230; wow, Frank should know the answer to that question and NOT put it out there in the press that he doesn&#8217;t know the answer.  Bench Will Bynum until the ball hog can create assists without massive turnover numbers.  Wil B learns best from the a good benching&#8230; he has proven that over the years.  </p>
<p>Stuckey can produce 15 points per 32 minutes and will share the ball given the right guidance and coaching. </p>
<p>And on the subject of Andre Drummond&#8230;So this is how you bring a talented young big along?  Teach him how to lose and put him on the floor with players that probably won&#8217;t be in the league in a year or two and who&#8217;s only interest or BB IQ appears to be in padding there scoring statistics?  </p>
<p>This is how you CAREFULLY, SLOOOWLY bring the young man along?  MY GOD JIM ARE YOU INSANE? (Star Trek quote seemed appropriate).  So, No matter how well Andre plays his time on the floor only can go DOWN if he does something wrong.  The kid scored 22 points in about 24 minutes against OKC and the next game the coach yanked him after 5 minutes&#8230;</p>
<p>If Dumars and Frank are doing what they are doing to show case the older guys for the trade deadline, they both should be fired.  That will not work, there is not a veteran starter in the bunch.</p>
<p>By not playing their second round picks this year, and not playing there free agent Ctrl-V Euro Big this year (we&#8217;ll see), the Pistons have tacitly admitted those were mistakes too.  Even if they were long shots you expect to hit once or twice with them.  You would expect more than 2 good draft choices out of ALL THE MOVE MADE IN THE LAST 6 YEARS.  Joe D&#8217;s record on BB moves is as bad as Rodney Stuckey&#8217;s first 23 shots this season&#8230; Wow.   And Stuckey drought lasted 2 weeks not 6 YEARS.</p>
<p>Dumars knows he is treading on this ice with Gore, and if Frank is Gore&#8217;s guy as stated elsewhere (Joe better hope so)&#8230;  Obviously Frank is on a very short leash (as he should be) especially if there is anybody out there in the bushes that has the skill.  Sure would be nice to see Bill L leading this team&#8230;</p>
<p>We won&#8217;t even talk about the Millic draft&#8230; Sir Joe will have eternity to live that one down.  Or the AI for Chauncey move, we&#8217;ll just act like that never happened.  </p>
<p>Maybe Joe D is afraid that Bill Lambeer would succeed&#8230;  and Joe would have to deal with a coach that demands excellence from everyone on the team even the GM.  Well Tom Gore could do that right now.  Start with eliminating L Frank&#8230; and lets go from there.  The stands will only get emptier otherwise &#8211; speaking of wise &#8211; Tom Gore had better get up on his BB IQ quick or get someone very close to him that is.  This languishing near the bottom of the Eastern Conference has gotten old and can&#8217;t be good for the $$$ value of the team&#8230; Tommy&#8230; Tommy, come on out and play.</p>
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		<title>By: Mone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should&#039;ve hired Bill Lambeer...</description>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bobcats are essentially doing what I envisioned the Pistons doing this year. Playing their young talent and surprising teams early in the year.

The beginning of the season is the time to play your young guys, as the vet teams aren&#039;t settled in yet, and no one is familiar with the rookies, so you can get wins early catching teams by surprise. 

No one was surprised by Maxiell and Tayshaun. The Pistons basically made it easy on opponents by starting the season with the same below avg lineup as last year, that every team in the league had already figured out. 

I thought we could be 5-5, 6-4 after 10 games too, had we started Drummond from day one, and actually used the good shooters we acquired like English and Middleton. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bobcats are essentially doing what I envisioned the Pistons doing this year. Playing their young talent and surprising teams early in the year.</p>
<p>The beginning of the season is the time to play your young guys, as the vet teams aren&#8217;t settled in yet, and no one is familiar with the rookies, so you can get wins early catching teams by surprise. </p>
<p>No one was surprised by Maxiell and Tayshaun. The Pistons basically made it easy on opponents by starting the season with the same below avg lineup as last year, that every team in the league had already figured out. </p>
<p>I thought we could be 5-5, 6-4 after 10 games too, had we started Drummond from day one, and actually used the good shooters we acquired like English and Middleton. </p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. This team has had a great talent infusion since the BG/CV fiasco. It&#039;s how the tools are being/not being used. They just picked up 3 shooters and 2 paint defenders but Frank refuses to use them because they are rookies and our can&#039;t shoot guards/undersized PFs are better at his &quot;process&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. This team has had a great talent infusion since the BG/CV fiasco. It&#8217;s how the tools are being/not being used. They just picked up 3 shooters and 2 paint defenders but Frank refuses to use them because they are rookies and our can&#8217;t shoot guards/undersized PFs are better at his &#8220;process&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish people stop talking about the talent yeah our talent isn&#039;t the greatest but Bobcats doesn&#039;t either. We went 21-21 last half of the season last year. We have more talent on the team this year than last. What we don&#039;t have is player development. Most of our team stayed for the summer and got worse out side of Tay, Max, and Monroe. Seems to me since Franks been the coach CV, Daye, Stuckey,and Knight have declined.
It&#039;s funny I watch those Piston practice commercials and theres one with Stuckey get bumped by a trainer while he&#039;s making a layup. The trainer is barely hitting him, it&#039;s like he&#039;s tapping him. Then I watch the game and watch stuck barrel in for one of those layups gets hit and totally misses the layup. I just laughed cause they just showed the commercial just minutes prior to the play. If Doug Collins had this team I bet they would win games. He knows how to pull everything out of his players to over achieve. We need a COACH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish people stop talking about the talent yeah our talent isn&#8217;t the greatest but Bobcats doesn&#8217;t either. We went 21-21 last half of the season last year. We have more talent on the team this year than last. What we don&#8217;t have is player development. Most of our team stayed for the summer and got worse out side of Tay, Max, and Monroe. Seems to me since Franks been the coach CV, Daye, Stuckey,and Knight have declined.<br />
It&#8217;s funny I watch those Piston practice commercials and theres one with Stuckey get bumped by a trainer while he&#8217;s making a layup. The trainer is barely hitting him, it&#8217;s like he&#8217;s tapping him. Then I watch the game and watch stuck barrel in for one of those layups gets hit and totally misses the layup. I just laughed cause they just showed the commercial just minutes prior to the play. If Doug Collins had this team I bet they would win games. He knows how to pull everything out of his players to over achieve. We need a COACH.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 18:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip!   Now I can read it like everybody else without getting an eye strain!</description>
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		<title>By: jerrific</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerrific</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^this </description>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also the same as 20-100...</description>
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		<title>By: MrBlockedShot</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrBlockedShot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow guys, it has been a pain in the ass to watch this game. I got to watch it in Spain through LP while I was having lunch and I almost lost the appetite. I was really pissed off at our team. In fact, IMHO I think most of us share Patricks&#039; thoughts about the team. There was a strange hype in the begining of the preseason about the team being capable of earning the 8th seed and making it to the postseason since a looong time ago (at times one could read some players making statements that it was almost clinched...remember JJ? ). People started talking about Monroe&#039;s chances for being an allstar (which I do agree), Knight&#039;s development and him being a key player for the team in his second season...well, a lot of (let&#039;s say it this way) very optimistic predictions we would had loved to come true. But, for all of us who have been watching the team since the Orlando Summer League, things didn&#039;t get off to a good start. Our rookies looked great but Knight was awful most of the time, not good news, but...who cared? It was not even preseason. But then we entered the preseason, and a lot of bad feelings about the team again came back from last season: Prince and Max playing bad and too much, Monroe/Knight development taking a step back, Stuckey, CV&amp;Daye...But ok, no problem, it was only the preseason. All of us were dazzled with Drummond&#039;s flashes and that was all it really mattered (at least for the fans). And now we are 2-9 and have been battered by a below-average team, with two disastrous quarters (the third might be the worst I can remember). Coaching has not been great (to say the least). Coach LF sometimes seems to play against himself, with strange decissions maybe no fan will ever understand. Ok, we can live with it, but is there somebody instead of him on the court able of harnessing this team in the proper way? Mmm...I would say NO WAY. Our backcourt is actually awful and disastrous: silly turnovers, bad decissions, no defense at all, etc). We don&#039;t move the ball well, our guards are turnover-prone, too selfish and bad defenders. Result? We only play decently on fastbreaks..half-court game is a total mess. And that is the main problem for the team to me. Difficult to find a solution for this total mess. I could think of a couple offhand: develop Drummond/Singler/English at any cost (benching/trading Maxiell, Stuckey) and get some PG capable of making his teammates better (please no turnovers, assists, good ball movement) and mentoring Knight. 
Greetings from Spain
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow guys, it has been a pain in the ass to watch this game. I got to watch it in Spain through LP while I was having lunch and I almost lost the appetite. I was really pissed off at our team. In fact, IMHO I think most of us share Patricks&#8217; thoughts about the team. There was a strange hype in the begining of the preseason about the team being capable of earning the 8th seed and making it to the postseason since a looong time ago (at times one could read some players making statements that it was almost clinched&#8230;remember JJ? ). People started talking about Monroe&#8217;s chances for being an allstar (which I do agree), Knight&#8217;s development and him being a key player for the team in his second season&#8230;well, a lot of (let&#8217;s say it this way) very optimistic predictions we would had loved to come true. But, for all of us who have been watching the team since the Orlando Summer League, things didn&#8217;t get off to a good start. Our rookies looked great but Knight was awful most of the time, not good news, but&#8230;who cared? It was not even preseason. But then we entered the preseason, and a lot of bad feelings about the team again came back from last season: Prince and Max playing bad and too much, Monroe/Knight development taking a step back, Stuckey, CV&amp;Daye&#8230;But ok, no problem, it was only the preseason. All of us were dazzled with Drummond&#8217;s flashes and that was all it really mattered (at least for the fans). And now we are 2-9 and have been battered by a below-average team, with two disastrous quarters (the third might be the worst I can remember). Coaching has not been great (to say the least). Coach LF sometimes seems to play against himself, with strange decissions maybe no fan will ever understand. Ok, we can live with it, but is there somebody instead of him on the court able of harnessing this team in the proper way? Mmm&#8230;I would say NO WAY. Our backcourt is actually awful and disastrous: silly turnovers, bad decissions, no defense at all, etc). We don&#8217;t move the ball well, our guards are turnover-prone, too selfish and bad defenders. Result? We only play decently on fastbreaks..half-court game is a total mess. And that is the main problem for the team to me. Difficult to find a solution for this total mess. I could think of a couple offhand: develop Drummond/Singler/English at any cost (benching/trading Maxiell, Stuckey) and get some PG capable of making his teammates better (please no turnovers, assists, good ball movement) and mentoring Knight. <br />
Greetings from Spain<br />
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