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		<title>By: Venice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 11:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let Charlie V. play ! WOOOO !there might be some idiot team that might try to trade with him if he played a bit better .which i doubt it will happen .haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let Charlie V. play ! WOOOO !there might be some idiot team that might try to trade with him if he played a bit better .which i doubt it will happen .haha</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn&#039;t that they lost. It was how they lost. Yeah, one game is not a big deal. But this one game reaffirmed all the negative impressions we had about the team, coaching, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t that they lost. It was how they lost. Yeah, one game is not a big deal. But this one game reaffirmed all the negative impressions we had about the team, coaching, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: anotherchris</title>
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		<dc:creator>anotherchris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im inclined to agree- re Joe isnt in love with anyone on this team.
 
I dont think Joe will ever blow up a team completely and will always keep experienced guys who can contribute around. I also think he is a bit discerning/ risk averse/ a little cynical and this is why we havent seen too many trades.
 
Unfortunately- what detoit has now are a bunch of guys who would be the third/ fourth/ fifth/ sixth contributors on a championship or playoff calibre team. The guys we have on the team who are savy and experienced are not talented enough to lead on the court. No doubt there is benefit in having experienced individuals who take a professional approach on the team. But-we still need to catch up re talent.
 
I dont dislike Rodney Stuckey or Tayshaun Prince. They are good basketball players. But- alongside the other peices we have- they are inadequate for consistent wins. 
 
Brandon Knight will never be an All Star. At best I see him being is as a Sacramento Kings era Mike Bibby- who was a great point guard and fit for that system. Knight is still far from that level- and our roster is far from having the balance he could benefit from.
 
I like Greg Monroe but he will never be a no 1 &#039;put the team on his back&#039; kind of guy. His personality and style of play is best suited to a being a 2nd/3rd piece. Also- with guys like Monroe, Drummond, and Guards like Knight and Stuckey- we need better three point shooting to compliment them.
 
The roster is incomplete. But- look at Indiana. Maybe the third best team in the East and not too far from contending. It took them a couple of seasons to make that jump between mediocre and competitive. It is not a stretch to think we could be at that level in two seasons. We will not make the playoffs this season and I doubt that joe really expects us to.
 
Lets see who makes progress throughout this season and hopefully soon we can push for a few more upgrades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im inclined to agree- re Joe isnt in love with anyone on this team.<br />
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I dont think Joe will ever blow up a team completely and will always keep experienced guys who can contribute around. I also think he is a bit discerning/ risk averse/ a little cynical and this is why we havent seen too many trades.<br />
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Unfortunately- what detoit has now are a bunch of guys who would be the third/ fourth/ fifth/ sixth contributors on a championship or playoff calibre team. The guys we have on the team who are savy and experienced are not talented enough to lead on the court. No doubt there is benefit in having experienced individuals who take a professional approach on the team. But-we still need to catch up re talent.<br />
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I dont dislike Rodney Stuckey or Tayshaun Prince. They are good basketball players. But- alongside the other peices we have- they are inadequate for consistent wins.<br />
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Brandon Knight will never be an All Star. At best I see him being is as a Sacramento Kings era Mike Bibby- who was a great point guard and fit for that system. Knight is still far from that level- and our roster is far from having the balance he could benefit from.<br />
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I like Greg Monroe but he will never be a no 1 &#8216;put the team on his back&#8217; kind of guy. His personality and style of play is best suited to a being a 2nd/3rd piece. Also- with guys like Monroe, Drummond, and Guards like Knight and Stuckey- we need better three point shooting to compliment them.<br />
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The roster is incomplete. But- look at Indiana. Maybe the third best team in the East and not too far from contending. It took them a couple of seasons to make that jump between mediocre and competitive. It is not a stretch to think we could be at that level in two seasons. We will not make the playoffs this season and I doubt that joe really expects us to.<br />
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Lets see who makes progress throughout this season and hopefully soon we can push for a few more upgrades.</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 21:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a reason to worry, because we still have some pretty good young players. But it is a reason to worry because of the pattern that is starting to emerge with coaching decisions, and the noncompetitive way decisions are made. 

Frank is preaching system system, and Houston just came in and beat our system with talent. We have a potential superstar talent and it&#039;s on the best for the majority of the game. No one else in the league does that. This is a talent league it&#039;s not a high school basketball camp. Talent plays, then you coach after that to get the best out of your talent. I don&#039;t think maxiell has ever hit 19 and 10 even in a preseason. The mentality of the coaching staff and the front office, if it does not change, is a reason for concern... Because   No talented free agent wants to play for a team run by politics or a nerdy system that does not win games.

With the type of talent that Drummond has, he needs a confident and liberating environment. He doesn&#039;t need to be treated like he&#039;s some kind of special needs child brought along slowly. Teach him all you want in practice, but unleash him in the games. Play to win. I&#039;m not even saying he has to start, but he has to play 25 minutes.

FEED THE MONSTER AND THE BEAST. THE MOOSE AND THE BRAHMA BULL. MONROE AND DRUMMOND. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a reason to worry, because we still have some pretty good young players. But it is a reason to worry because of the pattern that is starting to emerge with coaching decisions, and the noncompetitive way decisions are made. </p>
<p>Frank is preaching system system, and Houston just came in and beat our system with talent. We have a potential superstar talent and it&#8217;s on the best for the majority of the game. No one else in the league does that. This is a talent league it&#8217;s not a high school basketball camp. Talent plays, then you coach after that to get the best out of your talent. I don&#8217;t think maxiell has ever hit 19 and 10 even in a preseason. The mentality of the coaching staff and the front office, if it does not change, is a reason for concern&#8230; Because   No talented free agent wants to play for a team run by politics or a nerdy system that does not win games.</p>
<p>With the type of talent that Drummond has, he needs a confident and liberating environment. He doesn&#8217;t need to be treated like he&#8217;s some kind of special needs child brought along slowly. Teach him all you want in practice, but unleash him in the games. Play to win. I&#8217;m not even saying he has to start, but he has to play 25 minutes.</p>
<p>FEED THE MONSTER AND THE BEAST. THE MOOSE AND THE BRAHMA BULL. MONROE AND DRUMMOND. </p>
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		<title>By: danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok they lost a game to the rockets so what.  1 teams got to lose, if we won then that means we were going to be a great team?  no it takes time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok they lost a game to the rockets so what.  1 teams got to lose, if we won then that means we were going to be a great team?  no it takes time.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Knight is All-Star Talent&quot;

Who is he going to be better than in the East? Kyrie, Rondo, Rose, Deron Williams? I can&#039;t ever see him getting in that group talent and production-wise. Wall has all the tools to be elite too. Jrue Holiday is far better as a PG than Knight is. I mean, the East is loaded with good point guards. I think Knight can be a very solid player, but I&#039;d be shocked if he ever sniffs an All-Star game.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Knight is All-Star Talent&#8221;</p>
<p>Who is he going to be better than in the East? Kyrie, Rondo, Rose, Deron Williams? I can&#8217;t ever see him getting in that group talent and production-wise. Wall has all the tools to be elite too. Jrue Holiday is far better as a PG than Knight is. I mean, the East is loaded with good point guards. I think Knight can be a very solid player, but I&#8217;d be shocked if he ever sniffs an All-Star game.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hahaha ... that&#039;s pretty funny. Worst dressed coach ever though? He&#039;s not even the worst dressed Pistons coach ever. Michael Curry was bad:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/its_just_sports/2009/02/michael_curry_may_not_be_a_goo.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/its_just_sports/2009/02/michael_curry_may_not_be_a_goo.html

&lt;/a&gt;And I don&#039;t have photos handy, but Flip Saunders had a tendency to look a little sloppy too. Pistons fans are just spoiled after having years of Chuck Daly being the most stylish coach in the league.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha &#8230; that&#8217;s pretty funny. Worst dressed coach ever though? He&#8217;s not even the worst dressed Pistons coach ever. Michael Curry was bad:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/its_just_sports/2009/02/michael_curry_may_not_be_a_goo.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/its_just_sports/2009/02/michael_curry_may_not_be_a_goo.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/its_just_sports/2009/02/michael_curry_may_not_be_a_goo.html</a></p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t have photos handy, but Flip Saunders had a tendency to look a little sloppy too. Pistons fans are just spoiled after having years of Chuck Daly being the most stylish coach in the league.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree... Knight is All-Star Talent, the problem is he has to have the ball in his hands, and you must give him freedom... 

I hate that he bounces back and forth between PG, To SG , to Spot Up 3 point Shooter...

Give him, keep it simple and tell him to attack... over coaching is killing him right now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree&#8230; Knight is All-Star Talent, the problem is he has to have the ball in his hands, and you must give him freedom&#8230; </p>
<p>I hate that he bounces back and forth between PG, To SG , to Spot Up 3 point Shooter&#8230;</p>
<p>Give him, keep it simple and tell him to attack&#8230; over coaching is killing him right now</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Patrick...Can we start Paypal Account or something so that we could all Donate to buy Coach Franks at least one good suit? I mean atleast a Tie? HE HAS TO HE WORST DRESSED COACH EVER!!!

Cmon!!! PLEASE CONSIDER IT I&#039;ll be the first to Donate 10 Dollars!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Patrick&#8230;Can we start Paypal Account or something so that we could all Donate to buy Coach Franks at least one good suit? I mean atleast a Tie? HE HAS TO HE WORST DRESSED COACH EVER!!!</p>
<p>Cmon!!! PLEASE CONSIDER IT I&#8217;ll be the first to Donate 10 Dollars!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Hayes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Hayes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Could you provide some commentary to help us get into the heads of management?&quot;

Oh man, I wish I knew. I would love to have like 30 beers with Joe Dumars sometime just to hear him explain his reasoning behind some of the moves they&#039;ve made. I don&#039;t even want to do it because I want to see it publicly reported -- I would just love to hear a no-spin version of moves he&#039;s made, his reasoning behind them and hear his honest opinion on what went wrong.

But honestly, it&#039;s really hard to gauge. No one has access to the inner-workings of the team and when Dumars does interviews, he almost comically goes out of his way to say nothing of substance to the media. And those who have had a chance to interview him haven&#039;t exactly asked great, detailed questions all the time either.

But here is my best guess at some of your points from an organizational perspective:

&quot;Does he really believe Knight and Stuckey have the talent and chemistry to comprise the backcourt of some contending Pistons team that exists three years from now?&quot;

My hunch is that he doesn&#039;t think that, and that he doesn&#039;t expect it. I&#039;m sure Dumars is smart enough to know that Knight and Stuckey are probably never going to develop into All-Star caliber players. Stuckey is already solid and near his prime and Knight is improving, will probably also be a solid starter/third guard type of player and is a good locker room presence.

Stuckey and Knight are not going to be a starting backcourt on a good team if they&#039;re among your best overall players, as they are right now. But, if Greg Monroe continues to improve, if Andre Drummond is a star, if the Pistons make a significant trade or upgrade in free agency at the small forward position, then yes, its feasible that they could start for a contending team if your 3-4-5 positions are far superior players.

&quot;The decision to re-sign Stuckey seems to indicate this. Is this just the best available backcourt now, or is this the actual long-term plan?&quot;

Signing Stuckey for a reasonable deal (he&#039;s better than DeMar DeRozan, for example, and DeRozan got far more money) is better than the alternative of letting him walk for nothing. I don&#039;t know that Dumars is married to anyone on this team long-term. What he&#039;s doing is collecting enough assets to upgrade talent. Teams that make trades for stars need young players on rookie deals, expiring contracts and draft picks, generally. Right now, he has a ready supply of two of those things and they&#039;ll continue to add more with a lottery pick next season.

The team obviously has to sell this group to fans, and that&#039;s why you see a lot of rhetoric and talk about these guys being cornerstones. Other than Monroe and Drummond, I don&#039;t think anyone on the roster, behind closed doors, is considered a cornerstone. And I actually think that Monroe could even be had in a trade depending on how good the return was. As we&#039;ve seen, though, trades for big time players are pretty rare and they&#039;re usually always complicated, so you can&#039;t send a message to your players that you&#039;d consider shopping any of them in the right deal, or they might not play as hard. You can&#039;t sell that message to fans, either, because they need fans to watch this team, buy merchandise, etc.

I know that Dumars preaches patience, I know that he talks about these guys like they are going to be Pistons starters for a long time, but I generally don&#039;t believe much of it. His track record as a GM suggests he&#039;s not overly sentimental and that he&#039;ll make a trade if he thinks its a good one. I understand the worry -- if they really think they have the core of this team established and don&#039;t have to make significant upgrades still, that&#039;s definitely a concern. But more than anything, I think they&#039;re just putting out a PR message and trying to win fans back while they search behind closed doors for ways to improve the roster.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Could you provide some commentary to help us get into the heads of management?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh man, I wish I knew. I would love to have like 30 beers with Joe Dumars sometime just to hear him explain his reasoning behind some of the moves they&#8217;ve made. I don&#8217;t even want to do it because I want to see it publicly reported &#8212; I would just love to hear a no-spin version of moves he&#8217;s made, his reasoning behind them and hear his honest opinion on what went wrong.</p>
<p>But honestly, it&#8217;s really hard to gauge. No one has access to the inner-workings of the team and when Dumars does interviews, he almost comically goes out of his way to say nothing of substance to the media. And those who have had a chance to interview him haven&#8217;t exactly asked great, detailed questions all the time either.</p>
<p>But here is my best guess at some of your points from an organizational perspective:</p>
<p>&#8220;Does he really believe Knight and Stuckey have the talent and chemistry to comprise the backcourt of some contending Pistons team that exists three years from now?&#8221;</p>
<p>My hunch is that he doesn&#8217;t think that, and that he doesn&#8217;t expect it. I&#8217;m sure Dumars is smart enough to know that Knight and Stuckey are probably never going to develop into All-Star caliber players. Stuckey is already solid and near his prime and Knight is improving, will probably also be a solid starter/third guard type of player and is a good locker room presence.</p>
<p>Stuckey and Knight are not going to be a starting backcourt on a good team if they&#8217;re among your best overall players, as they are right now. But, if Greg Monroe continues to improve, if Andre Drummond is a star, if the Pistons make a significant trade or upgrade in free agency at the small forward position, then yes, its feasible that they could start for a contending team if your 3-4-5 positions are far superior players.</p>
<p>&#8220;The decision to re-sign Stuckey seems to indicate this. Is this just the best available backcourt now, or is this the actual long-term plan?&#8221;</p>
<p>Signing Stuckey for a reasonable deal (he&#8217;s better than DeMar DeRozan, for example, and DeRozan got far more money) is better than the alternative of letting him walk for nothing. I don&#8217;t know that Dumars is married to anyone on this team long-term. What he&#8217;s doing is collecting enough assets to upgrade talent. Teams that make trades for stars need young players on rookie deals, expiring contracts and draft picks, generally. Right now, he has a ready supply of two of those things and they&#8217;ll continue to add more with a lottery pick next season.</p>
<p>The team obviously has to sell this group to fans, and that&#8217;s why you see a lot of rhetoric and talk about these guys being cornerstones. Other than Monroe and Drummond, I don&#8217;t think anyone on the roster, behind closed doors, is considered a cornerstone. And I actually think that Monroe could even be had in a trade depending on how good the return was. As we&#8217;ve seen, though, trades for big time players are pretty rare and they&#8217;re usually always complicated, so you can&#8217;t send a message to your players that you&#8217;d consider shopping any of them in the right deal, or they might not play as hard. You can&#8217;t sell that message to fans, either, because they need fans to watch this team, buy merchandise, etc.</p>
<p>I know that Dumars preaches patience, I know that he talks about these guys like they are going to be Pistons starters for a long time, but I generally don&#8217;t believe much of it. His track record as a GM suggests he&#8217;s not overly sentimental and that he&#8217;ll make a trade if he thinks its a good one. I understand the worry &#8212; if they really think they have the core of this team established and don&#8217;t have to make significant upgrades still, that&#8217;s definitely a concern. But more than anything, I think they&#8217;re just putting out a PR message and trying to win fans back while they search behind closed doors for ways to improve the roster.</p>
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