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Pistons lineup changes would be easier to advocate if young players were out-playing veterans

Pistons fans desperately want to see Andre Drummond and, to a lesser extent, the team’s collection of young forwards, in more prominent roles in the lineup. Lawrence Frank was asked about whether he’d make those types of changes after Friday’s loss to Phoenix and, my guess is, his answer won’t win him many new fans among the ‘PLAY DRUMMOND!’ crowd. Via David Mayo of MLive:

Head coach Lawrence Frank seemed a little taken aback to be asked about potential lineup changes after two games, particularly with the winless and angry Los Angeles Lakers up Sunday in the second game of a six-game road trip.

“I’m not willing to make any kind of moves,” Frank said.  “At the same time, I understand the question, in that we’ll continue to assess and see.”

It’s easy to advocate giving young players minutes at the expense of more limited veterans who probably don’t figure into the team’s long-term plans. But through two games, Mayo points out a slight problem with that stance:

The problem for the Pistons isn’t just that their starters haven’t played a cohesive game yet but that the ones expected to contribute most have been so inconsistent.  Monroe and Stuckey have been troublesome surprises through two games.  Brandon Knight bounced back after a poor opener and played better, but the Pistons need consistency from all three of those players.

Mayo’s point is right. Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell have been the team’s two most consistent players so far. They are often the two players most often implicated when people are making cases for more minutes for Drummond, Jonas Jerebko, Kyle Singler, Kim English and Khris Middleton. In reality, though, if you’re using a strictly merit-based system to determine who plays, Greg Monroe and Rodney Stuckey have been bad in two games. Brandon Knight was bad in one and not great in the first half against Phoenix before getting it going in the second half and finishing with a pretty good game.

That’s why taking strong, ‘scrap the rotation and start from scratch,’ approach right now makes little sense. If you’re going to do something drastic like that, you either have to sit struggling guys who are part of your group of young players you’re investing in like Monroe and Stuckey, which isn’t in the team’s best interest, or you have to demote players who are doing what is asked of them and playing pretty well in Prince and Maxiell, which also isn’t the greatest message to send.

Frank is essentially right. I don’t agree with his decision to open the season with Maxiell as the starter, but that’s the decision he made. Drummond had one poor game and one solid one. Let him hopefully build on that solid performance Sunday and on the rest of this trip, let Monroe and Stuckey (hopefully) shake out of their slumps, let the second unit, which has been good, continue making its case for more minutes and then re-evaluate when you have more than two games worth of body of work to base decisions on. It’s going to be impossible to keep Drummond, and maybe Jerebko and Singler if they keep playing well, from demanding more minutes as this season progresses. But sending a panicked message right now after just two games isn’t necessarily the best move either. Frank showed last season that he can coach a team that improves significantly as the season progresses. I don’t know whether he’ll show that again this season, but he deserves more than two games before whatever identity he wants this team to create for itself is called a failure too. If these problems continue to persist, then by all means, call it what it is. But plenty of teams haven’t looked good to start the season, plenty will be much different teams by season’s end than they are now. There’s no reason to believe the Pistons can’t be in that group.

51 Comments

  • Nov 3, 20122:37 pm
    by dziubz

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    These Laker bigs are going to have their way with monroe-maxiell. I’d be curious if Drummond could hold his own against Howard and give monroe a much less athletic matchup with Gasol. Obviously, Drummond won’t start, but maybe Frank will finally pair them up later in the game? 

    • Nov 3, 20124:12 pm
      by Tom Y.

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      Max has actually defended Howard quite well in the past, I think he could do a decent job on him. I’m hoping he, Drummond and maybe Slava guard Howard, Moose on Pau and Kim English plays big minutes guarding Kobe. If all that happens, and Drummond plays some decent minutes with Moose, we’d have a decent shot at winning this one.

  • Nov 3, 20122:43 pm
    by MNM

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    I heard the question being asked in the postgame presser.. That was Vince Ellis who asked the question. I agree with Matt Dery that it was kind of a dumb question to ask after the 2nd game of the season. Vince wrote about it in his latest article earlier today and he didn’t acknowlege that HE asked the question.. He instead went with “Reporter” “asked Laurence Frank” as if it was some mystery as to who was behind it, probably because he didn’t want to fess up to the fact that it was a dumb question and Frank among others basically reacted as such..Kinda weak on Vince’s part to not say that it was him in the article..

  • Nov 3, 20123:20 pm
    by frankie d

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    the big issue is that this is the exact starting 5 that was together last season.
    expecting that the team would look like a team and not 5 guys who were just introduced to each other is not unreasonable.
    i actually don’t mind keeping the same starting 5 from last  year.  i would, however, do this:
    bring drummond in for max at about the 6 minute mark (or thereabout);
    keep tay’s minutes in the 22-26 minute range.  (tay still cruises a lot; part of that is his style, and part of it, imho, is his habit of reserving his energy.  with the depth at SF, there is no reason for him to be cruising on the court, expecting to play heavy minutes.)
    stop setting stuckey up for 3 point shots.  yes, it would be nice to see him improve his range and start making that shot, but with him in a slump, let him do what he does best, until he gets out of his slump.  once he gets his confidence, then let him extend the range on his shot. 
    make sure both singler and JJ play in the 25-30 minute range each game, somehow.  both of those players bring good things to the court whenever they are out there.
    i just don’t see how any coach can be so committed to vets who have been key players on bad/mediocre teams.  sure max and tay are playing “well” and that is great.  but they’ve played that way in past seasons and what has that gotten the team? 

  • Nov 3, 20123:57 pm
    by chubbs

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    I think Prince should start a SG with Stuckey coming off the bench.  Knight, Prince, and Stuckey all playing 32 minutes. Monroe, and Jerebko 32 minutes. Drummond, and Maxiell 16. maggette 24 minutes a SF with Daye, Singler, Middleton fighting for the other 24 minutes.

  • Nov 3, 20124:16 pm
    by DasMark

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    I don’t have a problem with the starters staying as starters. Switching it after two games would make Frank look bad. 

    But, they need to play contributors more. Stuckey is struggling, that’s fine. Put English or Singler in.  

  • Nov 3, 20125:00 pm
    by Mel

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    As a coach, when you have a team who’s starters are a little above average you try to create rotations that can compete against the competition. You don’t create a set rotation when some players can’t perform at a high level against the players they compete with. You match your best player against there best, and if your best is not getting it done you counter. Monroe playing against these bigger players will not get us very far . Drummond does not have to start but give him more minutes until he can prove other wise. Let max play against players that he match up well with. Scola shot over him like he was a middle school-er.

    • Nov 3, 20128:58 pm
      by vic

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      ditto. 
       my fear is that if this is so obvious to regular people, why are they ignoring reality.
       you can look at the games and the stats and see thst Drummond can outproduce Maxiell, and defend centers better than Monroe ir Maxiell. at one point in yesterdays game he had double both if tbeir rebounds in half the time.
       my hope now is that they are smarter than we think they are. maybe they are just building a solid case ao that when they start Drummond there is no pushback from the vets.
       but if thats the case then losing games and fsns must not be tgat important,  because even a novice can see that when you win the paint, you win games, and Drummond gives us a better chance of winning the paint.

      • Nov 3, 201210:25 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        “my fear is that if this is so obvious to regular people, why are they ignoring reality.”

        I mean, how do ‘regular people’ like us even know what ‘reality’ is? There’s a huge, huge chunk of information we don’t have access to. How does Drummond practice? How competitive is he day to day? Is he putting in extra time working on individual things that the coaching staff is asking him to?

        I hope the answers to all those questions are ‘yes,’ but none of us really know. Things like that play a huge, huge role in who coaches give playing time to, especially rebuilding teams. Maybe they have some sort of plan with Drummond that Drummond understands him working at will lead to more minutes. Who knows.

        I get why people want him to play more and I agree with most of those arguments, but I think it’s also important to realize that there is a ton of information that goes into decisions like this that the public just has absolutely no insight into.

      • Nov 3, 201210:30 pm
        by Chris N

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        I think you’re giving “regular people” way too much credit.  

        After two games (or two regular season and eight preseason games) all has not been revealed on the merits of Lawrence Frank, his coaching staff and a lineup that contains five new players.  The surface has barely been scratched as far as what kind of team they are going to be.

        As for regular people, I tend to take their advice with a grain of salt. There’s a reason they are fans and not getting paid by teams for their input.

  • Nov 3, 20125:40 pm
    by James Jones

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    I fully understand not start Drummand, he’s not quite ready for that I don’t think (though he looks pretty conferrable out there so far).  The one thing I don’t understand is way Frank refuses to put Drummand and Monroe on the floor at the same time.

    Seriously, lets see how those two work together on the floor.  It’s like he won’t do it because everyone wants him too. 

    • Nov 3, 20125:41 pm
      by James Jones

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      Can we get an edit button on this site too :).  Thanks!

  • Nov 3, 20127:33 pm
    by Mark

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    This logic is not wise though. Sure Maxiell/Tay have been the most consistent, but are they going to lead us anywhere by themselves? NO

    So you have to make change for the betterment of the unit as a whole. Max does deserve to keep his spot based on his indidvual play, but unfortunately for Max, Monroe is more important. So if Monroe is struggling and the addition of Drummond to the lineup can get him going and help him out, then you have to make that move for the team’s sake.

    • Nov 3, 20127:38 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      What is wrong with saying to your young players, “Hey, go play better than these very average veterans if you want their minutes.” So far this season, it hasn’t happened yet.

  • Nov 3, 20127:36 pm
    by Mark

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    btw BOS has made a lineup change after 2 games, and is starting their rookie big man Sullinger over Bass.

    If a team that got to the ECF with their current starting lineup can mix it up after 2 games and start a rookie, how the fuck can the Pistons say their lineup is untouchable when it only won 25 games? 

    WTF?? 

    • Nov 3, 20127:46 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Boston has a lot more riding on this season and more reason to make a panic move than Detroit, first and foremost. Secondly, Bass is actually playing a lot better than Sullinger, so that move has a lot to do with improving their second unit. It’s not like they’re starting Sullinger because he’s deserving right now. They’re trying to balance out their lineup. Contending teams have different motivations. I suspect the Pistons are going to start Maxiell until Drummond makes it obvious that he’s better. They want to keep Drummond hungry and motivated.

      • Nov 3, 20128:04 pm
        by jacob

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        That is fine but why not put Drummond and Monroe together? 

        • Nov 3, 20128:07 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          I totally agree with that. No issue with that criticism. I just object a bit to the belief by a few here that Drummond has to start for that to happen.

          • Nov 4, 20129:32 am
            by Tom Y.

            He should also some more minutes to show that he can play better, especially when he’s playing well and has no foul problems like last game. And yeah, definitely with Monroe.

      • Nov 3, 20128:19 pm
        by danny

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        I love bass as a player but he is not better than sullinger.  Its not even a contest jared can get his own shot off and is a lot stronger.  Bass is nice in the post and is able to get to the bucket and hit fades but he doesnt move ppl off the block.  I know it seems like I pick on you but I disagree with a lot of the things you say on here.

        • Nov 3, 20128:38 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “I know it seems like I pick on you but I disagree with a lot of the things you say on here.”

          No worries, the feeling is very mutual.

          “I love bass as a player but he is not better than sullinger.  Its not even a contest jared can get his own shot off and is a lot stronger.”

          Sullinger is a far better prospect with a lot more upside than Bass. He’s not a better player right now though, and statistically, it’s not close. Bass is shooting 53 percent, Sullinger 43 percent. Bass is averaging 16 points/11 boards per 36 minutes, Sullinger is at 11 and 11. PER, true shooting %, win shares per 48 minutes and virtually all of the advanced measures heavily favor Bass right now too. Both have been pretty bad defensively, largely due to the fact that they’re both undersized. Sullinger is a bit stronger but also slower, Bass struggles against bigger fours, but does OK against the quicker ones.

          If you’re telling me Sullinger is going to develop into a better player than Bass long-term, you’d get no argument from me. If you’re telling me that right now Sullinger is better, not only does that not pass the eye test, there is also not a single statistical comparison you can make between the two (and granted, two games is a small sample) that makes that case either.

          Sullinger starting has ZERO to do with Boston thinking he’s better than Bass, and Doc Rivers said as much:

          “I think there will be nights where they will have a quick four [power forward] and we’ll start Brandon [Bass],” Rivers said back in the preseason. And there will be nights when they don’t, and you start Sully … “and I like Brandon with the second unit because he gives us another scorer, a guy who can play.” 

    • Nov 3, 20128:31 pm
      by Joe Dumars

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      Doc has said Sullinger, Bass, and Green would get starts this season. Sullinger starting has to do more with match ups than someone playing bad.

  • Nov 3, 20129:01 pm
    by Domnick

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    battle of the winless starts tomorrow… i hope we can beat LA… sigh

  • Nov 3, 20129:05 pm
    by Mark

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    The Pistons situation isnt about Max playing better than Drummond, its about the lineup as a unit not playing good. Someone has to change if they don’t work together as is. Its not going to be Moose, Stuckey, Tay, or Knight, so Maxiell is the logical first man up to change.

    • Nov 3, 201210:15 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      So the person in the startling lineup who has been one of the two most consistent (toss-up with Prince) is the one you’d take out? Subbing Drummond for Maxiell would fix Stuckey’s awful shooting, Knight’s up and down play and whatever is going on with Monroe?

      If you were a coach who committed to this lineup, you would scrap it after two games and replace the guy who might be playing the best out of the five? Or would you give it a few more games to see if your struggling starters can pull their heads out of their asses a little bit and start making shots?

      Seriously, if Stuckey was even average shooting the ball in those two games, the Pistons could easily be 2-0 right now.

      • Nov 4, 201212:19 am
        by Scott Free

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        You make a good point Patrick, I just hope if changes MUST be made eventually, that we’re able to adjust before another 4 -20 start.   

        • Nov 4, 201212:23 am
          by Patrick Hayes

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          I hope so too. I’m not saying that changes aren’t necessarily needed. They might be. I just think two games is nowhere near enough time to make big lineup changes.

      • Nov 4, 201212:37 am
        by Mark

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        If I were the coach, I wouldn’t let it get out of hand and I’d make corrections now before it gets worse. That’s just my opinion. Not saying its right/wrong, but by the looks of things, its hard to see this lineup suddenly come together, so I’d trust my instinct that if its not going to get better, then just change it now.

        It hasn;t just been 2 games either. They’ve been out of sync all preseason too. Since that great 1st qtr against TOR, they’ve been a dysfunctional mess as a unit for the last 10 games they’ve played together. 

        I do think that Drummond COULD have a positive effect on Monroe and Stuckey. Maxiell may be playing good on his own, but he’s doing nothing to help Monroe. Maxiell doesn’t make anyone around him better. Drummond even only at 19 does have that ability, where he makes the games easier for everyone around him already right now. The guards have talked about it, how his ability to go up over the defense makes the court open up and easier for them to see the court, which would help Stuckey. And for Monroe whose defense is terrible, Drummond would help up front more than Maxiell on that end. On offense, just AD’s big body alone is enough to draw more attention than Maxiell gets. The More attention on Drummond, the less on Monroe, giving him more room to operate, and also gives him another option with the alley-oop play they have that he can’t do with Max.

         

        • Nov 4, 201212:42 am
          by Mark

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          Most of all though, if they stay with this lineup, do you really expect Maxiell to keep up this level all year?

          Sure Stuckey and Monroe will probably get going eventually, whether Maxiell or Drummond is playing with them. But there’s a good chance Maxiell won’t still be playing at the same level when they do. Which is my point about how the unit as a whole rarely ever seems to all play good at the same time. 

          In the few glimpses we’ve seen of Drummond/Monroe/Knight/Stuckey together, it seemed they all looked great together at the same time every time they were together, and had great chemistry. It just looked right. This current lineup just looks wrong. 

          • Nov 4, 201212:47 am
            by Mark

            And I personally don’t need to see anymore of it to know which is the right lineup and which is the wrong one. Thats just me. If Frank isn’t sold yet, then thats his decision, but he will also take the blame if the team struggles continue as is. 

  • Nov 3, 20129:39 pm
    by vic

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    maxiell may have scored more points than drummond but i dont think he has rebounded, blocked shots, or stopped anyone from scoring like Drummond. drumminds +/-is positive from what ive seen.
     
     if the coaching staff cant see that and only sees points then theres the problem. at one point in yesterdays game Drummond had 8 rebounds, same as Monroe & max put together in less than half the minutes
     
     how is that not outproducing?

    • Nov 3, 201210:13 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “maxiell may have scored more points than drummond but i dont think he has rebounded, blocked shots, or stopped anyone from scoring like Drummond.”

      Maxiell per 36 minutes in two games – 17.0 points, 9.2 rebounds, 2.0 blocks. 

      Drummond per 36 minutes in two games – 7.9, 11.3, 3.4.

      Maxiell – 20.7 PER, Drummond 16.1. Maxiell – 14 percent total rebound %, Drummond 17 percent

      So yes, Drummond has rebounded and blocked shots slightly better. Maxiell has been far better offensively, especially considering his decent 15-footer makes him a bit more versatile offensively than Drummond. But let’s not pretend that Drummond has been blowing him out of the water production-wise. Maxiell is off to a very good start this season. He’s not the problem in the starting lineup. Yes, Drummond should play more, and I”m sure he will if he builds on his decent performance against Phoenix. But it isn’t some massive crime that Maxiell is getting decent minutes right now. He’s been productive.

      • Nov 4, 20126:38 am
        by vic

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        drummond also does not get the ball passed to him. but he rebounds and defends better, which is what we need to win.
         opposing pf and centers are gaving a field day, same as last year… still no changes.
         max tends to do well against Dwight, and Stuckey had his best game against Kobe, and Prince is from LA, so im thinking they will get thrir first win tonight. but they hsve to play drummond at least 25 mins

  • Nov 3, 20129:39 pm
    by Ray

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    Drummond out played Maxiell in the preseason …he out got 13 mins in the first game … And he played a better all around game in the 2nd game … 95% of maxeill came in the first qrt …. But defensively he was horrible all game… So drummond has stepped up … This is A coaches pride issue

    • Nov 3, 201210:06 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      “This is A coaches pride issue”

      Serious question: how do you know that? We are all outsiders. We don’t have access to what goes on in practices, what goes on behind the scenes, etc.

      Drummond played better than Maxiell in the preseason, but it’s not like Maxiell was awful. He certainly didn’t do anything in preseason to suggest he should lose his job.

      If we’re comparing Drummond and Maxiell, they’re really pretty similar players, other than Drummond is much bigger. Both are going to score on garbage-man type buckets or off the break, both are going to crash the offensive glass. Drummond is certainly going to block more shots and protect the rim better, but Maxiell actually defends stronger big men fairly well, other than giving up height. He doesn’t let them establish position as deep. If you don’t think Drummond is going to struggle with this aspect of D, you’re crazy. All young big men do.

      Drummond should be playing a lot more, but I don’t think Maxiell needs to be treated like a worthless player just because people want to see more of Drummond. The fact is, Maxiell is a fairly steady rotation big. Through two games, Drummond has had a really bad game and a decent one. I suspect that over the next couple weeks, if his play evens out a bit, his minutes will continuously increase. He’s still a work in progress though, and people are freaking out like Detroit is benching Bill Russell or something.

      • Nov 3, 201210:40 pm
        by Chris N

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        I agree that as the season goes on Drummond’s going to see more minutes come his way.  Don’t think he cracks the starting rotation unless Maxiell completely noes-dives consistency wise.  

        I asked on another thread, but its probably more appropriate here: when you say Drummond deserves to get a lot more time, how much are you talking about?  30 minutes a game?  35? 

        • Nov 3, 201210:41 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          Posted this reply there too, but here it is again:

          20-30 minutes. If he’s dominating and not in foul trouble, boost that number up even more too. But I also have no problem yanking him if he’s passive or not aggressive, like he was in the opener. In college, he could get away with passivity at times because he had such physical advantages over everyone. That’s an awful habit for a NBA big though. Even less physically gifted bigs will dominate him if he’s not aggressive.

          Basically, I want him to have a rotation spot all season and see him get minutes in the first and second half like any backup would. After that, how many or how few he gets game to game is totally up to how engaged he is. If he’s into it, just keep rolling with him. If he slacks off, bench him that game, but also go right back to him the next game.

          I really liked how Frank handled Knight last season. There were games that Knight was really bad, but still played hard, so Frank generally left him out there. The few times when Knight was both bad and didn’t play with energy, he got benched.  

          • Nov 4, 20122:21 am
            by Domnick

            trade max so that we can eventually free up the minutes…

  • Nov 4, 201212:31 am
    by Talan

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    I’ve been following how other rookies have been doing these first few games. Like all rookies, very inconsistent. At this point, I trust our coaching staff and their distribution of minutes. Not sure if it’s just me being excited about the new season, but we are more fun to watch. Our bench unit is full of energy and I love what i’m seeing from Knight. I am a bit concerned about our defense though, I thought Frank was a defensive coach? 

  • Nov 4, 20121:26 am
    by goldengut

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    I dont think the starters should be changed but like other sports if one of them is strugling then why not let the bench player play some more minutes, because ill be honest thru 2 games i see a very big problem
     
      freethrows have to get better  were shooting less then 70% as a team
      where the defense its like they have cement blocks on their feet
       heres a tip mr frank  when the guy on the floor is shooting 2-16 and the guy on the bench is shooting 7-9 im going with the guy on the bench because i want to win the game not lose it just because the guy on the floor makes more money

  • Nov 4, 20126:03 am
    by Ray

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    @ Patrick Example: if we drafted RAW STUD SF…because we said we need a dynamic SF that can create, score and defend and he comes in and exceeded all expectation in the pre-season scoring, defending, rebounding ect ….. Then the season starts and the RAW STUD SF doesn’t get a chance to start or real quality minutes all because Prince hhas been doing what he has done his whole career (be mediocre) ….. ITS INSANITY!!!! WHY? Because you drafted the SF to do what Prince has been LACKING!!!!

    Last Year, Maxiell was our BEST option clearly… Neither Charlie V or Daye could make the stretch 4 worth the look, Franks needed Jonas Energy and scoring off the bench and Ben was done …. We had NO SIZE on the team … No shoot block…No dominate rebounder other than Monroe….. Who we agreed would be better served playing PF

    As a Piston Nation!!!! We declare we need to draft BIG!!!! Although there was a small pocket of us that were intrigued with the thought drafting another SG/SF in case stuckey didn’t work out …. BUT OVERALL WE AGREED we need to draft big ….

    …Remember, the articles about Meyer Leonard, Tyler Zeller, and John Henson one of the 3 becoming the pistons next big??? Even though my stomach turned at the thought of drafting John Henson, I understood why!

    We never thought Drummond would be available at 9, most mock draft had him going into the Top 5 ..

    … Fast forward ….

    We land Drummond not because of his lack of skill or ability, but teams simply liked who they liked…we lucked out …

    Now he have this freakish 6’11 (in shoe) 270 player…that understands his first job is to defend the paint, be physical, rebound, and running the floor…..he proves he can do it during the pre-season the only thing you can measure him by ….. All the things we needed and wanted…. All the things we cried about during the 2011-2012 season and OFF SEASON …. We get him here fans excited, teammates raving about him, media buzzing ….

    And the coach plays the lesser talented, he plays the player that takes away the ability to play your best player at his natural position,…goes with the player that is not a shot-blocker, interior defender, or strong rebounded…WHY you ask??? Because he makes the coach feel comfortable…. Even if its just 2 games into the season I can’t accept that …. Low risk – low reward system that will haunt this team …

    It has nothing to do with Maxiell, but everything to do with the future of this team ….BUT WE DRAFTED DRUUMMOND BECAUSE OF WHAT THE TEAM WAS LACKING!!!!!. I HATE YOU FRANK

    • Nov 4, 20126:47 am
      by vic

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      we play him because he scores in a couple of small streaks like he always does, but is a net negative on defense the entire game
       
       thats why they lose, and smarter teams win. a smart team plays the defensive guy the most and the streaky offensive energy guy 7 minutes at a time, 3 times a game

  • Nov 4, 20127:05 am
    by gmehl

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    I see Orlando might be forced to play Afflalo at SF. I wonder if we could unload Daye to them.

    • Nov 4, 20125:26 pm
      by Ozzie-Moto

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      Affalo should be OUR starting 2 guard .
       

  • Nov 4, 20127:45 am
    by Ben Fridsma

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    max does great against super man. imo he has owned him in the past. he shouldnt have a prob against him. I dont even want to see stuckey in the arena. needs to stay away from light if he wants his migraines to stop. My line up for tonight. Bynum, Knight, Monroe, Prince, Maxiell. if Bynum is bad. give knight point. and Singler comes in for Bynum. English for Knight. JJ for prince. Drummond for maxiell. and Slava? for Monroe. my thoughts on it.

    • Nov 4, 20128:06 am
      by gmehl

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      Ever wonder if there is a connection between Stuckey’s migraines and that time he half collapsed on the court. I know a migraine is to do with the brain and him being exhausted and collapsing is more respiratory but if he was suffering migraines that game it could of contributed to it. Also i wonder what that did (Stuckey collapsing) to his trade value. Surely a GM trading for him would remember something like that. Hopefully he breaks out of his funk soon because if struggles then it seems to have a domino effect on the rest of the team.

  • Nov 4, 20128:56 am
    by ray

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    The reason Maxiell does well against Dwight is because they play the exact same way only difference is Dwight is taller and more athletic…u stop Dwight by not giving easy basket to him early…because late he won’t be the go to guy

    • Nov 4, 20129:46 am
      by Tom Y.

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      I think his main thing in guarding Howard is that Max is thick and strong, and really good at establishing a base and not letting Howard get into position to score in the paint.

  • Nov 4, 20125:12 pm
    by Scott Free

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    Look on the bright side everybody, Maxiel has been playing great!  

  • Nov 4, 20125:13 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    JD and the slew of coaches over the last 5 years have squandered the development of most of our younger player and JD has let go better younger players than he has kept. This trend of clinging to a more veteran team to have a few more wins vs developing a new core and identity has left the pistons in limbo for years and the same pateren is being repeated again. No team that starts Max (undersized to start at the 4) Prince (lack of energy and attack at the 3) and Stuckey (much more suited as the first guard off the bench) is ever going to be a true competitor. Pourly balanced teams don’t fix themselves until YOU FIX them. Get Monroe to the 4 where he belongs. Use both young centers. Let the younger players play and build a team like the Thunder did and stop wasting year after year.   And a PS:  Why would a starting team that was 500 at best last year be much better this one ? 

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