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Off to the Big Apple

Essentials

  • Teams: Detroit Pistons (3-10) at New York Knicks (8-3)
  • Date: November 25, 2012
  • Time: 1:00 p.m.
  • Television: FSD

What to look for

After winning two of their past three games, the Detroit Pistons will travel to New York today to take on a Knicks team that just lost back-to-back games for the first time this season.

It’s worth noting: these aren’t last year’s Knicks though.

They are currently the second overall seed in the Eastern Conference and are playing brilliant basketball thanks in large part to the transformation of Carmelo Anthony. Indeed, with him playing at power forward, it’s opened up the court for his teammates, where they get to be part of the offense because not only is he willingly going to the block, but he is also sharing the ball in an attempt to get everyone involved.

Furthermore, because Mike Woodson has rightfully guessed that opponents would try to double team his star player in the low post, he has surrounded him with a multitude of shooters and essentially given them the green light to fire away as they please. Thus, the Knicks are attempting 28.7 field goals from 3-point range per game, which is tops in the league; and converting 40.8 percent of the tries (fourth in the NBA).

Mind you, because the Knicks predicate a lot of their offense based off of action revolving around Melo, it means that they are for all intents and purposes a jump shooting team for the most part. Indeed, they are just under the league average of shot attempts at the rim, and are fourth from the bottom in points in the paint.

This gets interesting against the Pistons, because Lawrence Frank has an important decision to make: does he assign Prince or Maxiell to defend Anthony?

Most teams have opted to have their power forward defend Ronnie Brewer, to protect them from foul trouble, but Maxiell is a physical player that could potentially give Carmelo some fits, especially on the block.

Granted, considering that Detroit has struggled to defend the interior, it is also possible that Frank might simply opt to play small today and roll the dice with it.

Decisions, decisions.

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41 Comments

  • Nov 25, 201211:37 am
    by vic

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    Or they could do what Memphis did and go big, and win! 

  • Nov 25, 201211:41 am
    by labatts

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    Lol, its tough to big like Memphis.  But I understand your point.  We got these bigs, so lets use them.

    • Nov 25, 201212:22 pm
      by Scott Free

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      Im tellin ya man, Tay on Wing, Max at SF… Its just crazy enough to work!

  • Nov 25, 201211:42 am
    by Scott Free

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    I think the best option is to confound Woodson/Carmelo with a revolving door of defenders on Anthony, starting with Maxiel (who’s size might actually be an advantage for once), but also swinging Tayshaun (who historically has done fairly well on Melo), Singler, and heck, even Monroe at him.  

    This tactic spreads the inevitable fouls evenly among several players and might take him off guard (though I fully admit, there isn’t a person on our roster that Anthony can’t score over).  

  • Nov 25, 201211:50 am
    by tarsier

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    Single-team Melo, let him do his thing, focus on guarding the perimeter, and shut down NYK’s 3 point shooting. Let Melo try to beat you inside or everyone else shoot long 2s.

  • Nov 25, 201212:39 pm
    by Corey

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    I want to see Drummond guard Melo for a bit. Long term Andre has the size and athleticism to do it, and short term he can at least stop Melo from posting up. he can handle it better than Max or Monroe if Melo drifts out to the perimeter

  • Nov 25, 201212:40 pm
    by Raphael

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    I say use our size and stay home beyond the arc. I hate when the pistons try to match up with teams. How about doing something to make teams have to match up with us?

    • Nov 25, 201212:42 pm
      by Corey

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      Agreed on that. Make Melo guard either Monroe and get lit up like a pinball machine, or Drummond and get broken in half

  • Nov 25, 20121:25 pm
    by israelipiston

    Reply

    any links to the game??

  • Nov 25, 20121:38 pm
    by frankie d

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    cannot believe it.
    small ball.
    let’s see how big a lead NY rolls up now. 

  • Nov 25, 20121:40 pm
    by vic

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    As soon as drummond enters the game: CArmelo becomes human, and he gets us an extra possession. 
    How can you hesitate to play someone who stops layups and gets you extra possessions? 

  • Nov 25, 20121:40 pm
    by frankie d

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    wow.  bynum has a brain cramp on that inbound pass.
    that is the type of bonehead play that would get a young player – daye, for example, last year – benched for  a few games.
    but, because it is bynum – and stuckey to some extent is responsible – no repercussions for the vet. 

  • Nov 25, 20121:41 pm
    by PK SMID

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    What good does Bynum do this team? With Stuckey coming off the bench why does the thrill get minutes? Terrible defender, doesn’t run the offense well.

  • Nov 25, 20121:58 pm
    by swish22

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    I can’t believe Frank is using the defensive disgrace that is Charlie v. I’m sick to my defensive roots that Will Bynum and Charlie V are playing together. Drummond can help us with many things but Charlie V is these worst defender in the league. I’m tuning the Pistons off when he enters.

  • Nov 25, 20122:03 pm
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    Guess what. 5:05 Drummonds out.. what’s wrong with u coach?

  • Nov 25, 20122:06 pm
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    So sick.. they got second chance point resulted in three. no drummond. frank calls maxiell now and he creates offensive foul. this is so sick. u r sick frank

  • Nov 25, 20122:11 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    Getting to watch the Pistons first hand (am in NY)….  
    Impressions from the first half so far:

    Detroit doesn’t develop talent it seems to let it languish.  I have never seen so many players get worse over the last few years.  R Stuckey has become TERRIBLE completely lost his mojo it was always based on aggression and confidence more than skill (can’t really shoot. pass or finish)  Now without the confidence he is just a determent everytime he on the court. Same with Bynum  was better a few years back. (I be looking at English or a trade real soon as guards in total are terrible) CV has completely self destructed. Why are none of these players ever moved before they tank permanently and are un-tradeable?  Really the teams is a black hole for players i’d never want to come to the team. K Singler is OK but in a way he and Prince are redundant. They should not be on the floor together one or the other should start at the 3. Starting lineup needs another ball handler / shooter instead of utility player.  Drummond is being stunted with the 2nd unit as they are often out for themselves  (or just can’t pass)  Max has some energy,(at least this contract year) really should come off the bench…   Detroit guard play is really poor .. Turn over left and right … But you know JD never saw the need for real point guards…  Not playing Drummond and Monroe together is a just a gift to our opponents. They games compliment each others perfectly. Drummonds reactions and physical ability is off the charts. makes everyone on the floor look small and slow…. if he stayed in college one more your he have been #1 pick and easy ROY etc… 
     

  • Nov 25, 20122:15 pm
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    Fire Frank!! At least this time he got outcoached by the coach that supposed to be ours: mike woodson

  • Nov 25, 20122:17 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    Knight is just not that good. potential ? hope so but we really have bad guard play, No one can pass or shoots well and all 3 seem to come up short at the rim time and time again.    Coaching is terrible. Frank should be let go ASAP. Seems to have no idea even when to call time out and his rotations SUCK 
     

    • Nov 25, 20123:35 pm
      by frankie d

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      i still don’t get why he doesn’t set up his offense so that everything runs through monroe.
      he is, by far, their best passer.  he makes the fewest boneheaded mistakes on offense.   they really don’t have a guard who is a true point.
      my only guess is that it would take a radical departure from what frank normally does – a traditional “point guard”-led offense – and he simply cannot or will not make the adjustment.
      when monroe does get the chance to operate out of the high post, with the ball in his hands – most often, seemingly by accident when it does happen – the offense runs as smoothly as it ever does.
      a total failure to recognize players’ strengths – and weaknesses – and set your team up to address those matters.
       

  • Nov 25, 20122:18 pm
    by frankie d

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    this is another one of those games where maxiell gives you nothing.  
    drummond has basically put out the same numbers, or better, in half the time.
    what is wrong with this picture? 

    • Nov 25, 20122:42 pm
      by vic

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      Drummond 7 minutes 5 rebounds
      Max 16 min 3 rebounds 

  • Nov 25, 20122:19 pm
    by frankie d

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    monroe has 4 shots.  
    tay has 8 shots.
    what is wrong with this picture? 

  • Nov 25, 20122:20 pm
    by Insider

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    What’s wrong with this picture… Villanueva 7 minutes, Drummond 7 minutes.  Frank clearly is bringing on Dre as slow as possible, but you seriously got to let him fail a couple times and learn from his mistakes rather than only put him in when you can vasically guarantee success.

  • Nov 25, 20122:20 pm
    by ZekeKhaseli

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    Frank is not playing jerebko because he hasnt play well lately. off course he hasnt play well, the rotation was so out of funk that players are so confused with the designated play. he seems so clever when he talks strategy but this guy clearly has issue. he will loose players trust in him if he keeps making mistake. Prince and Bynum already said it. Common Joe, you know he’s not the man. I’d rather have the summer league camp coach. John something.. c’mon man

  • Nov 25, 20122:24 pm
    by frankie d

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    when i kept saying it last year, everyone got on my case.
    i’ll say it again: frank has no feel for the game or players.
    he doesn’t have a clue about how to create a line up of players that works and devise offenses and defenses that play to their strengths.  
    he is just plugging guys into his system and hoping they will work.
    horrible game coach. 

    • Nov 25, 20122:26 pm
      by apa8ren9

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      I got on your case.  I respectfully apologize

      • Nov 25, 20123:26 pm
        by frankie d

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        thanks, but i always figure that we wouldnt be real fans if we all thought alike, regarding our teams.  i do appreciate it though.

  • Nov 25, 20122:26 pm
    by apa8ren9

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    So let me get this straight.  After a win, where Drummond gets 25 minutes.  You get a off day to practice and build on what win.  You have a  short flight over to NY and Drummond is on pace to play 14 minutes?  And CV played 7 minutes??  Are you kidding me?  Frank I defended you to no end last year cause the season was short and it made sense somewhat.  This what you are doing now makes no sense.   No sense, no process, this is stupidity.  He played at Conneticut, MSG isnt too big for him.

  • Nov 25, 20122:27 pm
    by Seto

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    I´m sick of this…Frank is slowly going to reach Kuester level, can´t he see that Villanueva is a tragedy in motion? And are we that good of a team that we can play 10 players at the half? If they´re bad, don´t play them, use shorter rotation…I just can´t watch this game anymore, it´s bringing me not a bit of joy

  • Nov 25, 20122:30 pm
    by FIREFRANKB4ITSLATE

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    I really really hope Joe D is evaluating this one. Frank is thinking like a sickman. he can’t see things the way it is. This is a game that’s ruined because of bad coaching

  • Nov 25, 20122:48 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    I really really hope Tom Gores is evaluating this one. Joe D has been thinking like a sickman. he can’t see things the way it is. This is a game team that’s ruined by bad managment and bad coaching
     

  • Nov 25, 20123:07 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    Monroe really needs a high flyer on the court with him. Just no lift. Sheed blocked him twice. But instead Frank-instein pulls Monroe when he put Drummond in the game …  It is depressing how long this team has been mismanaged and coached …. 

  • Nov 25, 20123:10 pm
    by vic

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    This has to be a tank move. Not only did they not increase Drummond’s minutes, but they added Villanueva to the rotation just in case the rest of the team wanted to continue to play better.

  • Nov 25, 20123:12 pm
    by Reaction

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    WTF CV is playing well.. something is wrong with this game 

    • Nov 25, 20123:22 pm
      by frankie d

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      maybe they are showcasing cv for a trade.

      • Nov 25, 20123:40 pm
        by Reaction

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        No one wants his contract.. the only real veteran tradeable players are Maxiel, Daye, Prince, Stuckey, and Maggette (3 of which are expiring contracts). 

        • Nov 25, 20123:50 pm
          by frankie d

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          one can only hope!

  • Nov 25, 20123:21 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    So far half way threw the 4th quarter Drummond and Monroe have not been on the floor together for even 1 Min.  So beyond Stupid it is hard to imagine. It like the coach works for the other teams and it his job to make sure we don’t even have a chance to win   Guy is a HACK 

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