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]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/11/moving-to-downtown-arena-is-the-least-of-the-pistons-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-102807 Patrick Hayes Wed, 12 Dec 2012 03:39:55 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11913#comment-102807 <p>Economic sense for who? The Pistons own their own arena. They'd be moving into an arena owned by Ilitch and have to pay to lease it. It makes absolutely no economic sense for the Pistons to do it. It would be a great deal for the Red Wings if Gores were dumb enough to do it.</p> Economic sense for who? The Pistons own their own arena. They’d be moving into an arena owned by Ilitch and have to pay to lease it. It makes absolutely no economic sense for the Pistons to do it. It would be a great deal for the Red Wings if Gores were dumb enough to do it.

]]> By: Aaron http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/11/moving-to-downtown-arena-is-the-least-of-the-pistons-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-102802 Aaron Wed, 12 Dec 2012 03:27:00 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11913#comment-102802 The Red Wings sharing an arena with the Pistons would make economical sense, especially since the city of Detroit is practically poor. I understand some reasonings for some Pistons fans not wanting to drive downtown for a game. An alternative to all this would be to perhaps renovate both arenas. Although that's long shot at best. The Red Wings sharing an arena with the Pistons would make economical sense, especially since the city of Detroit is practically poor. I understand some reasonings for some Pistons fans not wanting to drive downtown for a game. An alternative to all this would be to perhaps renovate both arenas. Although that’s long shot at best.

]]> By: TRJ http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/11/moving-to-downtown-arena-is-the-least-of-the-pistons-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-100110 TRJ Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:19:12 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11913#comment-100110 I agree with all of that I agree with all of that

]]> By: TRJ http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/11/moving-to-downtown-arena-is-the-least-of-the-pistons-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-100109 TRJ Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:17:54 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11913#comment-100109 Hmm...good? I guess I'll clarify: - I am interested in Detroit for reasons other than the Pistons. Auburn Hills has nothing of interest to me besides for the Pistons - I live closer to Detroit than Auburn Hills, and Detroit is generally more central to where the people that I know live Hmm…good?

I guess I’ll clarify:
- I am interested in Detroit for reasons other than the Pistons. Auburn Hills has nothing of interest to me besides for the Pistons
- I live closer to Detroit than Auburn Hills, and Detroit is generally more central to where the people that I know live

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/11/moving-to-downtown-arena-is-the-least-of-the-pistons-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-99563 Patrick Hayes Sat, 01 Dec 2012 04:05:39 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11913#comment-99563 <p>I get what you're saying ... honestly, I was just worked up because of Sharp's column that is so far removed from reality. And actually, a couple other columnists in Michigan have suggested the team should move to Detroit too. Like I said in the post, I would love to watch the Pistons play in downtown Detroit. But financially, it makes absolutely no sense. </p> I get what you’re saying … honestly, I was just worked up because of Sharp’s column that is so far removed from reality. And actually, a couple other columnists in Michigan have suggested the team should move to Detroit too.

Like I said in the post, I would love to watch the Pistons play in downtown Detroit. But financially, it makes absolutely no sense. 

]]> By: A. http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/11/moving-to-downtown-arena-is-the-least-of-the-pistons-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-99551 A. Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:39:13 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11913#comment-99551 Patrick. All very valid points. But I disagree and should clarify a little. I'm not saying they need to abandon the Palace now. You're right it's still a nice stadium and they should stay there for a while more. But in ten or fifteen years there is no reason they should still be there. My critique is for long term. I appreciate the Bucks attendance statistics, but while the Bucks are 27th in attendance this year the Pistons are 30th. And to be frank I think, as Sharp implies, the Pistons attendance records are really padded to avoid embarrassment. I watch both teams (and attend games) and there is a notable visual difference in attendance. A good location will provide a minimum attendance in the bad years and that minimum attendance every game still adds up to important revenue for medium and small market teams. I'm not contending it will sell the place out or even put it in the top two thirds in attendance. Finally, I really have to take issue with the idea that fans show up to Bucks games because they are a possible playoff team. As a fan of both teams who lives next to the Bradley Center I can tell you that the Bucks, unlike the Pistons, have no fan base and no one here has any idea what their record is. Individual Packers players have a larger fan base here. The Bucks are perpetually on the mediocrity treadmill and Pistons are actually several years ahead of the Bucks in terms of a championship run. Fans here only show up because they can't get Packers or Brewers tickets and they can grab a bite in the bar district that's grown all around the stadium because of attendance.  Finally, please stop refuting my posts with hard empirical evidence that clearly disproves my point. Sometimes a guy just wants to leave a random post. (:   Patrick. All very valid points. But I disagree and should clarify a little. I’m not saying they need to abandon the Palace now. You’re right it’s still a nice stadium and they should stay there for a while more. But in ten or fifteen years there is no reason they should still be there. My critique is for long term.

I appreciate the Bucks attendance statistics, but while the Bucks are 27th in attendance this year the Pistons are 30th. And to be frank I think, as Sharp implies, the Pistons attendance records are really padded to avoid embarrassment. I watch both teams (and attend games) and there is a notable visual difference in attendance. A good location will provide a minimum attendance in the bad years and that minimum attendance every game still adds up to important revenue for medium and small market teams. I’m not contending it will sell the place out or even put it in the top two thirds in attendance.

Finally, I really have to take issue with the idea that fans show up to Bucks games because they are a possible playoff team. As a fan of both teams who lives next to the Bradley Center I can tell you that the Bucks, unlike the Pistons, have no fan base and no one here has any idea what their record is. Individual Packers players have a larger fan base here. The Bucks are perpetually on the mediocrity treadmill and Pistons are actually several years ahead of the Bucks in terms of a championship run. Fans here only show up because they can’t get Packers or Brewers tickets and they can grab a bite in the bar district that’s grown all around the stadium because of attendance. 

Finally, please stop refuting my posts with hard empirical evidence that clearly disproves my point. Sometimes a guy just wants to leave a random post. (:  

]]> By: Patrick Hayes http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/11/moving-to-downtown-arena-is-the-least-of-the-pistons-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-99538 Patrick Hayes Sat, 01 Dec 2012 01:52:43 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11913#comment-99538 <p>"The idea that the Pistons should just always have a championship team and they will fill the seats is a little simple minded." Realistically, no one expects that. The point is, the only tried and true methods to sell out your arena in the NBA are to, A. win a lot; or B. have a superstar(s) player who sells tickets. There is simply no formula, outside of being the only game in town like Portland, for a bad team to draw fans. It won't happen. "Look at the Bradley Center in downtown Milwaukee. The Bucks are terrible every year. Yet, people still show up because they can walk to dinner or to a bar afterwards." The Bucks are 27th in the league in attendance this season, and that's with a team that has a legit shot at the playoffs. This is where they've ranked from 2012 back to 2001: 26th, 23rd, 24th, 24th, 22nd, 23rd, 20th, 25th, 14th, 17th, 12th, 13th. Those four years in the early 2000s, the Bucks were a playoff team and they still had mediocre attendance. When they are average or worse, they don't draw anyone. Their arena and location has zero to do with how well the Bucks draw. Whether or not they suck has significantly more to do with it. You could put this exact same Pistons team the last four years in a beautiful downtown arena, and other than the initial season when the arena opened, they'd still have bad attendance. The Palace is a great facility, it is paid for and it is a cash cow because it's also a great concert venue that brings in revenue for ownership even when the basketball team occupying it isn't drawing. The Pistons have zero incentive to move into a new arena. It makes absolutely no sense from any practical standpoint. </p> “The idea that the Pistons should just always have a championship team and they will fill the seats is a little simple minded.”

Realistically, no one expects that. The point is, the only tried and true methods to sell out your arena in the NBA are to, A. win a lot; or B. have a superstar(s) player who sells tickets. There is simply no formula, outside of being the only game in town like Portland, for a bad team to draw fans. It won’t happen.

“Look at the Bradley Center in downtown Milwaukee. The Bucks are terrible every year. Yet, people still show up because they can walk to dinner or to a bar afterwards.”

The Bucks are 27th in the league in attendance this season, and that’s with a team that has a legit shot at the playoffs. This is where they’ve ranked from 2012 back to 2001: 26th, 23rd, 24th, 24th, 22nd, 23rd, 20th, 25th, 14th, 17th, 12th, 13th.

Those four years in the early 2000s, the Bucks were a playoff team and they still had mediocre attendance. When they are average or worse, they don’t draw anyone. Their arena and location has zero to do with how well the Bucks draw. Whether or not they suck has significantly more to do with it.

You could put this exact same Pistons team the last four years in a beautiful downtown arena, and other than the initial season when the arena opened, they’d still have bad attendance. The Palace is a great facility, it is paid for and it is a cash cow because it’s also a great concert venue that brings in revenue for ownership even when the basketball team occupying it isn’t drawing. The Pistons have zero incentive to move into a new arena. It makes absolutely no sense from any practical standpoint. 

]]> By: A. http://www.pistonpowered.com/2012/11/moving-to-downtown-arena-is-the-least-of-the-pistons-worries/comment-page-1/#comment-99535 A. Sat, 01 Dec 2012 01:41:22 +0000 http://www.pistonpowered.com/?p=11913#comment-99535 This is one of the rare occasions I agree with Drew Sharp. The idea that the Pistons should just always have a championship team and they will fill the seats is a little simple minded. Yes it would be great if the team just won all the time, but outside of two or three teams in the league that is not remotely realistic. Teams will have to periodically rebuild in the draft through bad records when they can't attract free agents. Look at the Bradley Center in downtown Milwaukee. The Bucks are terrible every year. Yet, people still show up because they can walk to dinner or to a bar afterwards. As someone mentioned above the location keeps attendance up in the down cycles. When you isolate the team in the northern suburbs people will only show up if the product is good and for a franchise that can't always put a good team on the floor every single year no matter how hard it tries its current location is just bad business. This is one of the rare occasions I agree with Drew Sharp. The idea that the Pistons should just always have a championship team and they will fill the seats is a little simple minded. Yes it would be great if the team just won all the time, but outside of two or three teams in the league that is not remotely realistic. Teams will have to periodically rebuild in the draft through bad records when they can’t attract free agents. Look at the Bradley Center in downtown Milwaukee. The Bucks are terrible every year. Yet, people still show up because they can walk to dinner or to a bar afterwards. As someone mentioned above the location keeps attendance up in the down cycles. When you isolate the team in the northern suburbs people will only show up if the product is good and for a franchise that can’t always put a good team on the floor every single year no matter how hard it tries its current location is just bad business.

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