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Magic 90, Pistons 74

Patrick’s cable went out some time in the second half (if only we all could have been so lucky). For those of you who were able to watch the whole thing, feel free to commiserate in the comments below.

43 Comments

  • Nov 21, 20129:36 pm
    by Reaction

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    Probably the worst Piston’s basketball game I have witnessed in the last 3 years.. very similar to how the Bobcats played last year

  • Nov 21, 20129:46 pm
    by Mel

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    Pull out the teal jerseys.

  • Nov 21, 20129:48 pm
    by jprime18

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    I don’t want to overreact, but what could have happened during halftime to come out looking that bad in the third quarter? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a worse quarter by any team

  • Nov 21, 20129:52 pm
    by Clint in Flint

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    Patrick, your a very lucky man. Just one more thing for you to be thankful for tomorrow.

  • Nov 21, 20129:55 pm
    by Anthony

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    Horrible second half. Opposite of you Patrick, I couldn’t get to my league pass until a minute til halftime. so I tuned in just in time for the implosion. the beginning seemed just like a slump, then after a few minutes, it seemed everyone was content on settling for stupid shots and just stopped caring. no words about this game.. just a bad bad bad game.

  • Nov 21, 20129:56 pm
    by jingzy

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    the paper bags are coming out lol

  • Nov 21, 20129:58 pm
    by tim

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    I agree with reaction.  This was probably the worst game (after the first quarter) under frank and possibly under Q.  This shit is pathetic.  I didnt expect them to even approach .500 for this season, but damn, they are terrible.  legitimately the 2nd worst team in the league.  they have no team identity on D and cannot work as a unit.  all of the guards have been shit.  honestly, why is knight even starting?  We would be better off going back to stuckey at the pg.  Seriously frustrating year so far.  

  • Nov 21, 201210:02 pm
    by ryan

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    Inconsistency is a bitch.

  • Nov 21, 201210:02 pm
    by D_S_V

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    This sort of performance is explainable when you’re playing your 4th game in 5 nights. 

    Wait, what?  

  • Nov 21, 201210:20 pm
    by Brendon

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    It was the worst game I’ve seen in my 18 year old life, we had no motivation to win and I felt we just gave up on defense. Starting off the 3rd quarter 0-14 I didn’t even think we were going to score that quarter. Once we put in Charlie V i just changed the channel.

  • Nov 21, 201210:22 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    I think we should give Joe at least 5 more years to see if he can fix what he messed up the last 5 years (smirk) or better yet i think we should give him 10 more years …..  He a great guy and all but his teams the last 5 years have sucked and it seems no one want to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT except giving him more time and hoping it may get better.  I’m not sure if it is midwestern politeness gone completely off the cliff or local sports writers and fans who still want to reward him for being a good guy seemingly forever…   ignoring years of bad results, bad trades. paying crazy saleries to very limited players and falure to develop the younger talent he has gotten …. He has gone from a good GM to a useless one.  12 years is way to long at this job.  He lost his edge years ago. Frank is the same kind of no real impact company man… Time for new management. I am always AMAZED when the Pistons due win give this collection of overrated vets and the unbalanced teams put on the floor.  But hey life is short and I’m a NYer and if thing are not working i don’t expecting things to get better by doing the same thing year after year……..   

  • Nov 21, 201210:25 pm
    by 313

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    Fire Dumars! I cant believe Im saying this..smh but he needs to go. This team is blah. I just cant see what Dumars sees in some of these players and how this team is set up. He goes and signs a defensive center whos 25 thats doesnt play(you might as well kept Macklin atleast he knew the system and probably came cheaper),  never went after a VETERAN PG to help with Knight’s development, resigned Prince and you have what 5 SFs, doesnt have any leadership, barely shows heart or emotion(guys should be PISSED losing like they have). I hope Tom Gores is looking at new GMs right now. This living in Dumars past championship stuff is done. Aside from making common sense first round drafting(Knight, Drummond and Monroe all FELL to the Pistons), Free agents signings are a joke. Trades are either non existent or head scratchers. Then Pistons fans get that State Of The Pistons kool aid service…SMH. Even Frank knows this team lacks talent…..

  • Nov 21, 201210:26 pm
    by Vic

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    Frank reminds me of Kuester with his getting mad at whole lineups and switching them out instead of actually seeing what’s wrong and changing just that. 
    Both are good system coaches, bad tactical coaches.
    Drummond on the 1st unit would have stopped their easy post scoring, that led to easy outside scoring.
    Put in Kim English, and voila! 5 points in 4 minutes. I said that 1 week ago that he’s a better fit with Stuckey on the 3nd unit.  

  • Nov 21, 201210:27 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    PS Can’t imagine Tom Gores thinks that this is going the right direction but he was to chicken to buck a local sports hero in Joe Dumars and let him go off the bat.  He took the easy route and will only stick his neck out and make changes if thing go worse this season…..  ” Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”   Albert Einstein 

  • Nov 21, 201210:31 pm
    by Trent

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    Trade Greg Monroe. I feel sorry for this young, talented, hard working guy to be surrounded by this rubbish.

     

  • Nov 21, 201210:35 pm
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    JD and his “company” coaches …. (I think larry Brown scared JD so bad that he gone for blah coaches ever since )  … are a stubborn lot that keeps trying to put square pegs in round holes..  Seems to think that size is a disadvantage. that shooting guards don’t need to be able to shoot .. that OK players are better that younger player with much better upsides. Hell with anyone that see any common sense ideas like you know play younger players because winning 2 or 3 more games a season is not really a winning strategy in the long run …  They just DIG in there heals   HELL JD and crew know better than anyone and they run the team into the ground THEIR way … 

  • Nov 21, 201210:36 pm
    by Kerghan

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    Not looking forward to watching this one on League Pass when I get home yeesh!

  • Nov 21, 201210:47 pm
    by 313

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    If the Pistons were ACTUALLY developing the young players and losing then we wouldn’t be as mad as we are as fans but they arent even doing that. That just shows bad coaching and even worse team management. The fact that Joe D is content with how this team is set up just shows he needs to go….

    • Nov 21, 201210:54 pm
      by Ozzie-Moto

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      exactly .. it not the losing it the delusion that some how we just a tiny step away from the playoffs etc.. that some of these players are worth building on (not)… bad management for years now.. I can’t tell you how many fans put up post wanting to give him more time and it seems not a single Detroit sports writer has the balls to call it as is. 

      • Nov 21, 201211:04 pm
        by Reaction

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        As far as I’m concerned, there should be only two for sures on our team right now: Monroe and Drummond. Everyone else is moveable including Knight(I think he has potential and I know he is working hard to get there but I just don’t see the explosiveness/vision necessary to be an elite guard).

  • Nov 21, 201210:50 pm
    by jerrific

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    why doesnt greg monroe shoot more?! it drives me crazy seeing these ineffecient perimeter players jacking up tons of shots and monroe only takes eleven. he is our best offensive option by a mile, and as such should be getting 15 to 20 shots a game. 

    also, it should be a rule that if charlie v gets ANY pt at all, drummond gets thirty minutes.

  • Nov 21, 201211:05 pm
    by gmehl

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    I have had a couple of hours to calm down about tonights game and tried to come up with a couple of positive thoughts.
    1) Maybe this kind of blowout is what it will take for Frank to insert Drummond into the starting lineup.
    2) Another couple of blowout losses like this and Frank will have no other choice but to insert Drummond into the starting lineup.
    3) Another couple of blowout losses like this and either Frank will be fired, players traded.
     

    • Nov 21, 201211:12 pm
      by Ron

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      Historically speaking is it common for GM’s to be fired while the season is underway?

      • Nov 21, 201211:15 pm
        by gmehl

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        Hey i never said fire Joe. I am not blaming Joe for tonights shitty effort. As far as i’m concerned it’s all on Frank and the players.

        • Nov 22, 201212:24 am
          by Ozzie-Moto

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          Why wouldn’t you?  He has hired 3 BAD coaches in a row:  Curry Kuester and now Frank. He has let talented younger players go and got nothing back. (Arron Afflolo for one is better than any 2 guard we have. got nothing for him.) and didn’t get anything for CB. Over paid free agents CV and BG. Over paid vets Prince and Stuckey. Of late all he done that not bad is take the consensus pick that feel to him in the draft … Loyal to a fault over values a lot of his pet projects .. ( turned down trading Stuckey for Rondo / Hate Rondo but he is 10x the player )  and then there is the BORING / Loosing team he has puts on the floor the last 4-5 years   I guess it not his fault, let give him another 10 years to fix what he has screwed up  .. I’m so sorry for Detroit fans   you being sold a complexly LOST team.  Needs leadership from the top down … Joe a nice guy that lost it (as far as a GM goes ) years ago 

  • Nov 21, 201211:23 pm
    by frankie d

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    very weird game.
    one thing has stuck out the last two orlando games.  in both games, detroit seemed to be playing well, and then orlando has made a small adjustment that changed the complexion of the games. 
    not sure what it has been, each game, but it has been devastating, as in each game, orlando just pulled away from detroit, after the adjustment.
    in the first game, i think it had something to do with how they used their screens to free up their shooters.
    this game, i have no idea what they changed up, but whatever it was, it was extremely effective.
    what is even more frustrating is that orlando’s coach is a rookie coach, and frank is a guy with more than 6 seasons under his belt.  the fact that a rookie coach could come in and flat out out-coach a veteran coach this way is a huge indictment of frank.
    as i said, i’m not sure what they did – maybe someone out there was watching and could see it – but they simply stopped detroit’s offense in it’s tracks in the 3rd quarter.  an amazing display. 

    • Nov 22, 20127:19 am
      by Vic

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      Oh dont mind that that’s just called real coaching, knowing what’s going on with matchups on the floor and making decisions that help your team win. It’s not the process basketball camp type of system coaches that we get as Pistons fans

  • Nov 21, 201211:55 pm
    by Mel

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    Vaughn maybe a rookie coach but he’s played in the NBA for many years under Good head coaches, Frank was a video coordinator and No real playing experience. We need a coach that has NBA experience or a coach that knows how to develop players like Bobcats coach. ( I can’t believe I saying that Bobcats). Vaughn made an adjustment and Frank did not know how to counter, with offense or defense in order to lead his team. Since Frank has been coach Daye ,CV ,Stuckey and Knights production has dropped. Even with Q CV could make a three pointer Daye was more productive. Not a coincidence.

    • Nov 22, 201212:26 am
      by frankie d

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      i had not thought of that, but you are in fact correct.
      maxiell is the only player who has “improved” under frank and even his “improvement” brings him to a level far below what he’d done in previous years.
      every other player has gone backwards.
       except for monroe, and his improvement is probably totally divorced from any impact by the coach.  you could see it happening from his rookie year.

      • Nov 22, 20123:11 am
        by Reaction

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        Knight has regressed quite a bit.. Kemba is even playing better than he is this year (putting up a better stat line)

  • Nov 22, 201212:27 am
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    And Tom Gores was to chicken to let him go. didn’t want to bucking a local sports hero ..  took the easy route of waiting to it got worse but i’m betting he keep this crew at least threw the end of the year .. really never seen a GM constantly get a pass on the fact his teams have been bad for a long long time 

  • Nov 22, 201212:35 am
    by Jodi Jezz

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    Singler is a bum!..Frank needs to be fired for allowing this guy to start for our team…

    • Nov 22, 20121:09 am
      by jerrific

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      Because Stuckey has been so much better? Sorry, there’s a lot to hate about this team, but Singler’s play is not one of them. If we had almost any other teams starting SG, he would probably be coming off the bench, but we just don’t have any other options right now. He had a bad game, it happens. He’s also the only player at the guard position on our roster who’s shooting better than forty(!) percent on the season. I know he’s not naturally a guard, but our team is looking ridiculously low on talent in those positions, so that’s where he’s stuck. 
       

    • Nov 22, 20121:25 am
      by Reaction

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      You fail to realize that Singler is a better starter at this point than their other SG option (Stuckey). Stuckey has absolutely no jump shot. He had a pathetic field goal % at the start of the season compared to Singler. Singler can actually sink a jump shot if you haven’t noticed. 

      • Nov 22, 20121:30 am
        by jerrific

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        Exactly!
         

      • Nov 22, 20122:18 am
        by Jodi Jezz

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        @Reaction: It doesn’t matter if Singler can sink a jump shot…Singler can’t do anything else!..The guy is a bum and it’s killing my Pistons image by him being in the starting line-up…I would rather start Maggette at the 2, at least he can play average defense…

        • Nov 22, 20123:12 am
          by Reaction

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          Maggette is old and injury prone. Do you want him to get injured again while facing up against the first string guys? or would you rather opt to your seemingly favorite player from last year Stuckey

          • Nov 22, 20123:21 am
            by Jodi Jezz

            Why can’t we just make a trade for a legit starting SG…That’s really what I want!..I agree with you that Maggette is injury prone, lol…

  • Nov 22, 201212:51 am
    by Mel

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    Frank needs to be fired for a lot of other reasons than having Singlar start, heck Singlar may have bought Frank a little more time before he get his butt kicked out of town.

  • Nov 22, 20129:30 am
    by Tyrone

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    Singlar had a bad night, but he is part of the young talent that is being developed for this team.  Knight is having a sophomore slump and moving backwards   My hope is that the coaching staff helps get him over this hump and back on track.  JJ started the season very good, but lately his play is falling off, not sure if that is a result of the Kings game. Maggette is not an answer for this team he is just cape room for next season and I hope that Kim English is going hard at Maggette every day in practice and getting better.

    If the team keeps playing like this Frank will be fired.  I think we should then finish the season with one of the assistant coaches and get a real coach in the off season. 

    My HOPE is that we can trade Max and Daye and get a good PG or SG in return before the trade dead line.  I like Max a lot as a PISTON but with him being gone it would open up a chance for Slava, Drummond, and CV to fight for playing time.

    • Nov 22, 20121:09 pm
      by jerrific

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      You had me until you started advocating pt for CV. 

      I don’t think i would call Knights troubles a sophmore slump. A slump implies decreased production across the board. He’s actually  been a lot better at distributing the ball. His game clearly shows improvement in terms of PG skills, he just hasnt been able to hit any of his shots.

      • Nov 22, 20126:44 pm
        by Tyrone

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        Fair point about Knight not hitting his shots and I agree that he is doing a better job distributing the ball but he must work on limiting his turn overs.  I still believe that he can learn to become a NBA point guard, Knight is still a very young player.  

        As far as CV, IMO we need his scoring ability on the floor.  Starting no way but I can see CV getting 15 min per game and giving our team 10 -15 points off the bench. CV shooting ability could be used to space the floor which should help Sutckey, Knight, Monroe, and Drummond IMO.

        • Nov 22, 201210:30 pm
          by Patrick Hayes

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          “As far as CV, IMO we need his scoring ability on the floor.”

          Villanueva is shooting 1-for-10 this season, which puts him at 36 percent over this season and the 13 games he played in last season. He’s not an efficient scorer, and when you factor in his beyond awful defense, there is no justification for him to play any minutes.

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