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Like Barack Obama-Mitt Romney, Pistons-Nuggets won by better basketball players; now focus turns to Washington D.C.

Detroit and Denver both entered tonight 0-3, but now the Pistons and Washington Wizards are the NBA’s only winless teams. At least one of Detroit or Washington should win before they play Dec. 21. Right?

Detroit Pistons 97 Final
Recap | Box Score
109 Denver Nuggets
Jason Maxiell, PF 23 MIN | 4-4 FG | 1-2 FT | 2 REB | 0 AST | 9 PTS | -8The Nuggets out-rebounding the Pistons, 52-35, and he was a fairly key reason. He didn’t miss and blocked a couple shots, which is nice, but he’s got to rebound better.
Tayshaun Prince, SF 29 MIN | 2-8 FG | 0-0 FT | 3 REB | 1 AST | 4 PTS | -10Missed a couple layups, forced his shot a bit more than in the first few games, still isn’t doing much besides shooting. Prince isn’t a liability, per se, but what is he bringing to the floor?
Greg Monroe, C 35 MIN | 10-20 FG | 7-7 FT | 10 REB | 2 AST | 27 PTS | -1This is the Greg Monroe we’ve been waiting to see. His offense and rebounding were strong, and if he keeps producing like this, he’ll be at least a legitimate candidate for the All-Star game. His effort on defense came and went, but he had a few fine moments on that end. I’ll accept Monroe’s defense as a work in progress. It certainly beats how poorly he looked last year.
Brandon Knight, PG 33 MIN | 1-6 FG | 0-0 FT | 4 REB | 9 AST | 2 PTS | -1Knight’s nine assists show his potential as a point guard, but don’t ignore his four turnovers. He’s not seeing the floor well on semi-fastbreaks, and that’s where many of his turnovers come. The Pistons should have an advantage when they attack before the opponent’s defense is set, but I’m not sure that’s the case. Knight and Greg Monroe have a couple halfcourt plays where they will really well together, though.
Rodney Stuckey, PG 39 MIN | 5-17 FG | 5-7 FT | 4 REB | 4 AST | 17 PTS | -9Stuckey had his best game of the season. He still shot 5-for-17. Hopefully, he keeps trending upward.
Jonas Jerebko, PF 25 MIN | 4-8 FG | 2-2 FT | 6 REB | 0 AST | 11 PTS | -4I know everyone is excited about the possibility of Andre Drummond starting over Jason Maxiell, but if any reserve can make a case to join the starting lineup, it’s Jerebko. He’s energetic as can be, and his 3-point shooting would provide some much-needed floor spacing.
Charlie Villanueva, PF 0 MIN | 0-0 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 0 PTS | 0Villanueva played for the first first time this season, entering the game with 4.4 seconds in the half for a Nuggets free throw. Villanueva and Greg Monroe lined up nearest the basket, and when Denver missed, most of the Pistons raced up court as Tayshaun Prince rebounded. Monroe made it all the way to the opposite paint by the time Detroit took its shot. Villanueva wasn’t in even the picture. He obviously didn’t return to the game.
Kyle Singler, SF 19 MIN | 3-5 FG | 3-4 FT | 1 REB | 0 AST | 9 PTS | -2Singler’s impact was pretty muted tonight, but he still scored efficiently.
Andre Drummond, C 12 MIN | 3-3 FG | 0-0 FT | 2 REB | 2 AST | 7 PTS | -8Like Maxiell, Drummond’s rebounding wasn’t up to par tonight. But Drummond should have played more. The Nuggets drove the hoop over and over, and Drummond was Detroit’s best chance of protecting the rim. Also: Made a 3-pointer!
Will Bynum, PG 15 MIN | 1-5 FG | 3-3 FT | 3 REB | 8 AST | 5 PTS | -11I think Bynum is (wisely?) trying to get a new contract with the Pistons by becoming Andre Drummond’s personal alley-oop feeder. No Piston has developed a passing rapport with Drummond like Bynum has, and Bynum’s devotion to getting Drummond involved must be good for the rookie’s development. And when the Nuggets adjusted, Bynum adeptly found other open Pistons.
Kim English, SG 9 MIN | 2-2 FG | 0-0 FT | 0 REB | 0 AST | 6 PTS | -6He did his usual positives — shoot well on 3-pointers, play energetic defense — and cut out his occasional negative — forcing drives on offense. He might be limited, but English can fill his role very, very well.
Lawrence Frank, head coach Frank made a move in the right direction tonight with his rotation. Tayshaun Prince and Jason Maxiell played the fewest minutes among starters, and Jonas Jerebko even played more than Maxiell. But other reserves — ahem, Andre Drummond — should play more, too. What really bothered me tonight was the Pistons’ offensive strategy. The Pistons shot 50 percent on 3-pointers, and the Nuggets shot 33 percent. But the Nuggets still had an advantage in that area because they shot 30 3-pointers to the Pistons’ 12. Unlike the long jumpers Frank has apparently tolerated, 3-pointers are more efficient and do a better job of spacing the floor. Because the Nuggets shot so often from beyond the arc, they had a lot more layups and dunks than Detroit.

80 Comments

  • Nov 6, 201211:49 pm
    by Keith

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    That Greg Monroe is pretty good. Knight and Stuckey continue to miss all sorts of shots. It still doesn’t make much sense not to start Drummond. Frank still doesn’t know how to put a reasonably effective lineup together, but wasn’t given any favors by a Denver team that legitimately goes 10 deep in the rotation.
     
    Shabazz Muhammad here we come!

    • Nov 6, 201211:56 pm
      by Nate

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      The Pistons had 17 fewer rebounds than the Nuggets. Maxiell had 2 and 9 in 22 minutes while Drummond had 2 and 7 in 12. Changes need to be made there.

      Also, I’m still advocating the Pistons offer Stuckey to the Magic for Afflalo. His contract comes off the books as soon as next year (contract only partially guaranteed I hear) so the Magic would probably be willing to do this trade. Unless they keep winning… Or Afflalo keeps killing it… 28 points and 5 assists on 10/17 shooting… *sigh* 

  • Nov 6, 201211:51 pm
    by YesSir

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    shots fired at cv why man its not his fault they need his scoring its obvious now let daye play to it doesnt matter singler isnt a hell of a defender either we need buckets this is the worst pistons defense i have ever seen. its trade time i want wilson chandler here and tyreke evans hell even marcus thorton can score. we need a better back up pg please bynum u killing me man for real he should be in the d leauge or overseas. Hell get derozan from the raptors tay can go stuckey can go bynum can go max can go.

    • Nov 7, 20123:15 am
      by MrHappyMushroom

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      Periods…commas….seriously, this is extremely difficult to read and I assume that I’m not the only one to give up after a line or two.

  • Nov 7, 201212:09 am
    by Mark

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    Prince deserves an F. Has he brought anything positive to a game yet this year?

    When they got behind 15-5 to start the game with Tayshaun, Frank put in Singler and they immediately go on a run and tie the game.

    Tayshain brings NOTHING to the team. No energy, no pts, no rebounds, no defense. I cannot stand his body language for one more game. He just slumps around like he’s given up on his career.

    One thing I agree with Frank about. If you aren’t competing you don’t belong in the starting lineup or the bench. I’m not sure Tay even belongs in the league anymore. He’s still got talent, but he just doesn’t even try anymore.

    • Nov 7, 20121:15 am
      by jerrific

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      Granted he played poorly this game, but this year? he’s been our most consistent starter so far, todays game aside.

      • Nov 7, 20121:23 am
        by Mark

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        11 pts, 3 rebs, 1 ast on 40% FG in 30mpg with an avg +/- of -15 per game. Thats consistently bad maybe.

        • Nov 7, 20121:26 am
          by Mark

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          He’s only played in 1 game this year where he didn’t have a negative +/-, which was when he finished even at 0 in the PHX game.

          Like I said, he’s yet to provide anythng positive to the team this year. When he’s on the court, negative results happen. 

          • Nov 7, 20129:17 am
            by jerrific

            when your team is 0-4 plus minus is going to be a skewed stat, the majority of Pustons probably have negative ones right now. if you discount last nights game, which i admitted he played poorly in, his averages are 13 pts and 3 rebounds on 43.75 shooting. those stats aren’t great, but they’re good enough to make him better than most of our starters over that strech. he was mediocre against LA, only shooting 3-8 and i believe 2 rebounds, but he also was limited to 24 minutes (although our bench has been playing so well he should probably stay around that number.) our first two games he was arguably our best starter, or at least second best. how is this bringing nothing to the team? 

          • Nov 7, 20129:19 am
            by jerrific

            *pistons. damn these high-tech touch screens. 

  • Nov 7, 201212:12 am
    by Day and Knight

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    Damn everybody is getting their “first win” against us…

  • Nov 7, 201212:18 am
    by sb3

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    I’m wondering about Prince-Knight. Those two guys don’t look like they get along. But then, Prince looks like someone pissed in his cheerios all the time these days.

    • Nov 7, 201212:21 am
      by Mark

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      lol, I feel like someone pissed in my cheerios everytime I have to watch him play

      • Nov 7, 201212:34 am
        by sb3

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        It is getting pretty bad. the fast break fake pass to Knight + bricked layup was terrible and lol worthy at the same time.

        • Nov 7, 20121:31 am
          by Nate

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          Wait, do they actually dislike one another, or is this just speculation? Because I was wondering after that fake pass to a wide open Knight + bricked layup against 2 defenders.

          • Nov 7, 20121:55 am
            by sb3

            Speculation on my part. Again, it’s harder to tell because Tay looks so dour all the time. That fake pass and brick sequence though was crazy because it was such an obvious pass when both defenders were committed to him. 
             

    • Nov 7, 20128:58 am
      by I HATE U FRANK

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      Prince is one of those people that like to be the big fish in a little pond, that why he wanted to stay with this team. He goes anywhere else he is a nobody and he knows it…

      No other coach of team would pay or tolerate his lack of production and NOT call him out on it…

      No other team would start him over players more productive to him…

      No other Team or Coach would deal with him going to the media and crying as often as he does….

  • Nov 7, 201212:26 am
    by Mel

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    You should grade the coach, I bet he has a 1.20 GPA about now.

    • Nov 7, 20121:20 am
      by jerrific

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      i second that. it would be cool to see a honest assessment of the coaching in the grades here. it might not endear patrick to some of the commenters on here though.

      • Nov 7, 201210:34 am
        by Patrick Hayes

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        I actually don’t mind harsh assessments of Frank. He hasn’t done a good job, overall. I just think it’s dumb that people think he’d get fired after a handful of games and a slow start. And I also think it’s dumb that a certain someone consistently says ‘I HATE YOU FRANK’ like it’s the funniest, most clever thing ever.

        • Nov 7, 20121:55 pm
          by I HATE U FRANK

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          LOL…now your not saying any names…

          btw: I havent wished harm on the man, i havent cursed him, his family or even his dog….

          I’ve read flat out nasty attacks on Joe Dumars(not saying you or here) … so compared to the things I could say … I HATE YOU FRANK… is taking it easy…

  • Nov 7, 20122:51 am
    by Gareth Masters

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    I hope we dont go winless this whole trip….

  • Nov 7, 20123:50 am
    by rick

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    Funny dude ripping on Tay and acting like Singler is the next Bird cuz he hit a few shots, but when he has his first bad game I bet you start calling for Daye. Also I dont get Charlie V’s grade other than it seems a bit biased. How the hell do youget graded for playing 4.4 seconds and get a F. That just seems a bit extreme forme considering he is not the coach, who in fact desserves the F.

    The Pistons problems will always be about coaching, period,point,blank. Frank is not a leader of men in my opinion and when they get one in there this team will shine. All they need are defined roles. You may think it’s just Prince but did you see when Maxiel yelled at his a$$(Kinght) when he missed a rotation on defense in the first half. People want to be mad at Tay and I really don’t get it because when players leave your team for someone better they(fans) get bitter but this man has been here for good and bad and people want to discard him like yesterdays trash. The man told yall in the offseason that we need a veteran point guard to help nudge Knight in the right direction. What does Mgt do they go and sign two guys who don’t even make the team. So to nitpick certain players cause they may not endear to you seems a bit frivolous at best.  

    Now about Affalo if you go and get him you will be in the same situation you are with Stuckey.Up and down and will tantalize you with spurts of greatness but never sustaining it for long periods. Fans always seem to follow former players and not realize different roles and systems dictate exactly how a player will perform. Look they have Jaque Vaugn as a coach, and it may be that he is a better facilitator to his players than Frank. Be real with yourself fellas, are you following someone or trusting their know how if you read somewhere they failed terribly at this job before? I like Joe but him and Gores dropped the ball on the coach and it will cost them another year of futility. If I am wrong I can come back and man up. Somehow I don’t think I will have that problem. Close your eyes for a second and ask yourself whats the difference between Frank and Kuester? ……………….    

    • Nov 7, 20124:50 am
      by jprime18

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      I think you’re cutting Afflalo a little short here. To me, he’s obviously the better player than Stuckey and he brings two things the Pistons need desperately on wing: defense and three point shooting (he can flat out score now). English reminds me a lot of Afflalo, so hopefully we can mold him into at least a poor man’s version of him.

    • Nov 7, 20129:31 am
      by jerrific

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      coaching doesn’t help players hit open threes, something Stuckey can’t do on a consistent basis.Afflalo isn’t necassarily miles ahead of him as a player, he just fits better with our starters. that’s why i’m advocating moving Stuckey to a sixth man Manu-esque role and starting Kim English. 

      • Nov 7, 20122:44 pm
        by rick

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        You are correct but after three years of scouting before coaching Stuckey, shouldn’t Frank know that by now? He is you know the coach.  You think Stuckey is playing the game that he knows(drive and get contact) and not what Frank tells him? Affalo would not be any different with this team as currently constructed. You have to be joking right when in fact Affalo went to Denver and played with two pass first point guards in Billups and Lawson. So it is a stretch to me to think he would be any better. He can’t create off the dribble and he isn’t even a borderline All Star, so I dont get the love affair. He is you know playing with Jameer Nelson, another solid NBA point guard.

        • Nov 7, 20124:11 pm
          by jerrific

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          no one thinks he could save this team, but to think he could outperform stuckey is no strech of the imagination. if afflalo was on this team he wouldnt be asked to play off the dribble a whole lot. all he would have to do is hit threes and play defense. those are two things we could really use in our starting line up. stuckey doesn’t do either of them well on a consistent basis.

  • Nov 7, 20125:54 am
    by Venice

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    I just hope we wont become the bobcats this year .And hopefully Shabazz Muhammad drops to us.

    • Nov 7, 201210:14 am
      by Starlight0997

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      Well the Pistons could always tank the season this year and get Shabazz or Zeller. I just remembered that the first round draft pick Detroit traded to the Bobcats is lottery protected. Seeing how this season is going so far, Detroit will most likely keep the pick.

      • Nov 7, 201211:44 am
        by tarsier

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        It’s lottery protected for a year. So if the Pistons miss the playoffs this year (and not to overreact to four games, but that is looking incredibly probable), whatever, that’s fine. But they better make some offseason moves because that pick is only top 3 protected in 2014. So hopefully it won’t be a lottery pick at all.

        • Nov 7, 201211:49 am
          by Keith

          Reply

          Actually, the pick is top 8 protected in 2014, top 1 protected in 2015, then unprotected. I still don’t understand the reasoning behind anyone who thinks we can make the playoffs this year, but oh well. We’ll definitely keep our pick this year, next year I would hope we can make the playoffs, because we’ll have to tank to stay in the top 8.
           
          I really don’t want to run into a 2011-2012 Warriors situation. They had every intention of making a playoff run last year, but totally oversold their own team. Once they realized they weren’t going to make the playoffs, they did one of the most obvious tank jobs in history in order to keep their top 8 protected pick.

          • Nov 7, 201212:36 pm
            by tarsier

            My bad, I dunno why I thought it was lottery, top 3, top 1, unprotected. But you’re right, top 8 next year. But my point remains, albeit a little less strongly.

            As for what the Warriors did. I didn’t have so much of a problem with it. Because the tanking wasn’t by players. They just traded arguably their best player who didn’t fit well for an injured guy who should be a better fit and contribute more toward winning once (if) he’s back to 100%. 

  • Nov 7, 20126:37 am
    by vic

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    great writeup. no complaints here. i get it. we dont need to lose our draft pick. Shabazz or Mitchell on a rookie contract beats overpaying for Josh Smith. stay the course guys, at least we’ve got some fun young players to watch develop.

    • Nov 7, 201211:45 am
      by tarsier

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      The Pistons will lose the draft pick. It’s just a matter of which year they lose it in.

  • Nov 7, 20127:25 am
    by I HATE U FRANK

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    12 minutes!!!

    we are getting punished on the inside, and you give our best rim protecting player 12 minutes???

    WHY?

    but I guess thats a SPAM Question to ask….

    • Nov 7, 20121:00 pm
      by tarsier

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      Any game that Drummond plays under 20 minutes without major foul trouble or looking incredibly atrocious, this is a pertinent question that demands to be asked. It just doesn’t need to be asked several times by the same person in the comments section of a single post.

      Unfortunately, we have no way of asking Frank. Or even Dumars. 

  • Nov 7, 20128:46 am
    by I HATE U FRANK

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    NOT SAYING NO NAMES:

    Im not even going to say anything about starting a certain 7 footer…. or go over the advantages of moving a certain players thats been playing out of position to his natural position….

    Im not even going to mention how player that should be a much better rebounder, is getting way too much praise because now he has a better jump shot, but rebounds and box’s out like crap….

    No need to mention how a certain guard, needs the ball in his hand atleast 60-70 percent of the time to be effective, but based on his career effective at best is around 15ppg 42-43% shooting

    Or that we want to convert a 2nd year Combo Guard into a PG, which is a great Idea, that i completely agree with. But the problem is, he is forced to play in a half-court offensive that takes away his greatest ability which is his speed, and he has not perimeter players on the floor with him at the same time to open up and spread the floor

    Which could be easily fixed by inserting one of two rookies into the starting line-up, because each rookie is currently shooting over 50% for 3′s ….or even starting a versatile player that has done everything needed to crack the starting line-up, however instead of starting him because of his versatility,effort and energy on offense and defense, you’d rather bring him off the bench when you are trailing. Because why would you bench a Vet i mean he is predictable, his numbers are mediocre, and he plays just hard enough to be called reliable and he gives a conversative coach just enough assurance and stability needed not to make any changes!

    • Nov 7, 201211:53 am
      by tarsier

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      So if you’re not mentioning any of what you just said, what exactly are you trying to say?

      I mean phrases like “not saying” or “not to mention” are virtually always obnoxious because they are intended to open a can of worms on a topic that a person wants to avoid all responsibility for bringing up (like starting a sentence with “not to be racist, but…” or “i don’t mean to criticize but…”)

      However, typically such phrases are followed by a “but” as in the examples I provided. Because that way one can begin with their obnoxious comment but then point to something else they said as the alleged point. Your comment is even lacking that. So it is simply you saying, “I won’t say [a bunch of stuff you go on to say]“. So whether that stuff is correct or not, your comment is patently absurd.

      • Nov 7, 20122:00 pm
        by I HATE U FRANK

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        YIKES! You Dissecting a post, on an open fans forum is ABSURD! That means you probably read it at least TWICE!

        • Nov 7, 20124:20 pm
          by tarsier

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          Yes, reading posts. Isn’t that the point of posts? For people to read? Although not necessarily at least twice.

          Reading results in dissecting.

          The thing with your posts, and why I was being so anal, is that you do make good points. I don’t agree with all of them, but that doesn’t mean they’re invalid. Unfortunately, you write very obnoxiously. I criticize that in the hopes that yo will, in the future, make good points in a manner that is not obnoxious.

  • Nov 7, 20128:56 am
    by jerrific

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    i don’t understand how we were outrebounded 21-8 on the offensive glass. isn’t that supposed to be one of our strengths?

    • Nov 7, 20123:35 pm
      by Mark

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      iirc, Kelser and Mahorn both said multiple times in the preseason  that we should have one of the best rebounding teams in the league with Monroe and Drummond up front. 

      Without them both up front we have literally been the worst in the league at rebounding. So basically Frank has choice to either be one of the best, by starting them together, or the worst by not playing them at all together, and he’s chosen to be the worst. That tells you everything needed to know about this coach. 

  • Nov 7, 20129:14 am
    by Al

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    Glad to see the Pistons try to fight it out last night. Im not sure about the starting units tho. If the second unit continues to out perform them, what is that saying?!!? smh.. English is a keeper and his rookie mistakes are all forgiven because of his hustle and shot making skills, loved his effort last night! Im not sure they are using Knight properly, i’d like to see him shoot more. He so busy looking to past first which is a good thing but I dont see any plays being run for him to get him open looks, we need scoring! Prince, well, he is not bring much value minute wise lately. His defense is very subpar all of a sudden, I really think a 6th man role would suit him well these days.. Max would be so terrific off the bench with Bynum I think, Im not sure if Frank is practicing Monroe and Drummond to get them better acquainted before putting them together in a real NBA game that counts… or least I hope he is because we are getting destroyed and EXPOSED on rebounding. Heck id even use Slava to go beat up a couple guys just to soften them up a bit on nights we struggle. Frank, help me help you, lets use our bigs, CMON MANNN!

  • Nov 7, 20129:16 am
    by israelipiston

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    Just a quick note to say that I really appreciate the recaps and love the new format at the beginning with summary and grades. Don’t get to watch many games – so your site is my best source for Pistons.

  • Nov 7, 20129:19 am
    by vic

    Reply

    for the people who thought I was making up how back in the spring Greg Monroe asked the front office to draft Andre Drummond so he could play with him. You’re right, I was making that up. It actually happened in February, not spring.

    http://www.nba.com/pistons/features/truebluepistons_120629.html  

    David said. “We wanted him to know how much he’s wanted by the team at nine, not only from Joe and myself, but from numerous players. Greg Monroe asked me about him back in February about getting the chance to play with him and some of our younger players had asked about him.   

    So it’s completely understandable that they’ve played 0 regular season minutes together, especially after connecting so well in the preseason. I mean, why win — and be left with no draft pick, stuck in a bidding war for Josh Smith — when you could draft Shabazz Muhammad or Tony Mitchell in the top 5?

    Go Pistons, stay the course! 

    • Nov 7, 201211:21 am
      by sebastian

      Reply

      vic, way to dig this article up. The comment that you referenced by Moose is indeed noted in the article.
      I, too, would like to see Moose and Dre Drummond on the floor together, preferably in a situation where Drummond would be starting, along with Jerebko at the “3″.
      But, one thing that WE all may have overlooked in OUR demands to see Drummond in the starting line-up, playing significant minutes with Moose, is that not only had Dre not played with Mooose, he has not played with B. Knight, either.
      I would think that each one could be benefit from the other, if they were able to play together. The net benefit would be a better Pistons team, moving in clearer direction.
      Damn you L. Frank!

      • Nov 7, 201211:32 am
        by Crispus

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        Hear Hear. A Drummond-Monroe-Jerebko frontcourt would be a lot of fun, especially with Stuckey and Knight Pushing the tempo on offense.

  • Nov 7, 201210:00 am
    by Matt

    Reply

    Some of you are hilarious. How anyone can defend Prince still 6 years after his last relevant moment is insane. Those calling for a trade, nobody wants Sucky or Prince, that would be why they signed back with Detroit, no other offers came their way. I am all for playing players who care, and benching the cry babies, and egos. The body language shown by Prince is putrid. Hopefully Gores uses his power as owner to push for a entertaining team on the floor. If we cannot win, please allow fans to have a entertaining product to watch.
     
    Thanks
     
     

    • Nov 7, 201210:17 am
      by jerrific

      Reply

      I never said Prince should be starting, i just think it’s a ridiculous exaggeration to say he brings nothing to the table when the statistics clearly say otherwise. jerebko is obviously outplaying him. hopefully frank gets smart soon and gives him some starts soon.

    • Nov 7, 201211:04 am
      by jjrob15

      Reply

      I am recently converted Pistons fan. One thing that I have noticed is that the fan base is passionate and knowledgeable. And to be honest, I predicted that the Pistons would be an 8th seed this year, and I still believe that (my article) . There are a bevy of problems with this team right now– Stuckey’s inefficiency, Knight’s slow start, Tashaun being the leading scorer (not a good sign), Inconsistent rebounding, horrid defense, inability to finish at the rim, and the list goes on. As Mr. Hayes eloquently stated, the Pistons just don’t have enough talent at this point. English, Singler, Drummond ( though he still looks lost) offer glimmers of hope, but   they’re not enough. Its easy to call for Drummond because his rebounding numbers (except offensive rebounding rate) show that he is an upgrade over Maxiell, however, Drummond inst ready just yet. It goes far beyond the numbers; he’s confused out there. He has monster potential but right now its better for him to gradually learn. 

    • Nov 7, 201212:18 pm
      by MIKEYDE248

      Reply

      First time I have heard him called Sucky…love it.

      • Nov 7, 201212:44 pm
        by tarsier

        Reply

        I don’t understand this. Yeah, sometimes players perform (relatively) poorly. And I join in with the rest of the internet community in criticizing them for it. But why the name calling? Besides being childish and making the commenter look like they are stuck resorting to such means because they lack the intelligence to make valid points, it is flat out rude. i get that that is part of what people love about internet commenting, they can get away with being rude/boorish/immature/stupid without anyone who actually knows them being aware of it. And there is therefore not the same loss of social standing that would come with say calling a waiter a useless, ugly turd after he/she messes up your order. But it’s the same principle and it is equally immature and not at all clever or cool or any of that. So why do it?

      • Nov 7, 201212:44 pm
        by BIGMARV

        Reply

        I been called him that hell my momma call him that!

        • Nov 7, 201212:56 pm
          by tarsier

          Reply

          Well isn’t that wonderful for you and your momma? Hopefully, one day, you’ll both learn to behave like adults. In the meantime, I recommend avoiding real world situations. Those can require dignity. Stick to the internet.

          • Nov 7, 20121:58 pm
            by BIG MARV

            Oh im sorry Donahue but we are fans we voice our opinion and my parents are wonderful people you talk about me not my family. Im not talking about yours now you the immature one have respect!

          • Nov 7, 20124:02 pm
            by tarsier

            If I told you my parents go around shooting puppies, you’d have every right to say they are horrible people. You told me your momma goes around engaging in childish name calling so I have every right to say that is immature of her.

    • Nov 7, 20122:49 pm
      by rick

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      Just like your post. You probably became a fan six years ago.

  • Nov 7, 201210:47 am
    by John V

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    I wouldn’t mind seeing about 5 (or more) minutes a game taken from Stuckey and Prince and given to Singler and English.

  • Nov 7, 201210:49 am
    by John

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    After watching the first four games I get the feeling that the pistons starting lineup are going to be on the receiving end of a lot of the “plays of the week” this season. I guess that makes them fun to watch or something.

    • Nov 7, 20121:10 pm
      by BIGMARV

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      Yeah Plays of the WEAK!

      • Nov 7, 20123:37 pm
        by Mark

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        haha, pistonpowered should do a weekly segment called Pistons Plays of the Weak, with all of their lowlights from the week, lol

  • Nov 7, 201211:37 am
    by Ozzie-Moto

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    JD blew it with stuckey over valued. never was enough of a point guard for a starting line up. and can’t play shooting guard because HE CAN’T shoot. best idea was a guard off the bench.  Afflalo was just a better fit as a 2 (better defense and 3 point shooting)   JD  finally figured out that size maters after putting small ball teams on the floor for a few years (without the multi talented players it take to do that ).  Was never sold on Knight hope he pans out at the point.   Max again great energy but only off the bench size (or with other front line players).  Prince is way way to passive again was OK on a team with a lot of talent but as a leader or scorer the guy is the WALKING DEAD.  going to have to write off the season and sort out what younger players to go forward with. I get Drumond and Kravtsov competing for min.   Teams have to be balanced and other than his first few years seems something the JD has no clue of how to put together ..  Franks OK but  again not what the team needs. Sans a true player leader the need a stronger coach. 

  • Nov 7, 201212:27 pm
    by MIKEYDE248

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    Frank has to learn that he has to put the players that give him the best chance of winning on the court at any given time in the game.  With our current record being 0-4, he hasn’t obviously hasn’t done that.  Along with that, the Pistons need to sell tickets.  The only way to do that is  to either win games or put exciting players on the floor to watch.

    How excided are you to watch Prince, Sucky or Maxiell?

    • Nov 7, 20121:08 pm
      by BIGMARV

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      Now I give you credit on that Mike they have to sell tickets. You think imma drive from the burbs all the way to Aurburn hills? MAN PLEASE… and I tell you this for sure no damn motown review or 90′s new jack tour is gonna draw me either WIN GAMES! then the fan base will come back perioid if not put a decent product out there that will make me consider to come back… sorry MC hammer!

  • Nov 7, 201212:43 pm
    by garenh

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    many of you guys like to cry about this and that player, starting from chauncey billups asking for his head, then came richard hamilton’s time, cut him and all will be fine, now it’s TP time.. he has to go(taking max with him)  and we will be just fine,  what you are missing is it is the coach that should lead the game… none of the previous 3 coaches were good , now this guy frank  has no feel of the game… if someone has any complaining to do, start from that guy. if the team looses his grade is F. not D. for the coach there is only A or F.

    • Nov 7, 201212:51 pm
      by tarsier

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      Who called for Billups’ head?

      Many people, myself included, wanted some change because that team didn’t look like it was getting back to the Finals any time soon (although it could have a couple more years of getting close). But rarely was any player singled out. I was actually the exception there. Most people wanted to go young. I figured that would mean a reduction in talent so I did think Stuckey was the right guy to deal as I really liked him, but he had value and could fetch a more skilled, older player in return.

      That is not to say that people criticized the Billups trade immediately. Some did, but there will always be some. Like most, I was happy about it because it represented two chances to jump start the team. Unfortunately, both were colossal flops.

      But no one was calling for Billups to leave town. We did with Rip because he was awful for this team. And I’m glad he is gone. And the reason to trade Prince is that he has no value to this team (but some negative value in blocking up cap space over the summer). But he could have value to another team. When a player would have more value to someone else than to you is pretty much the definition of when you should be exploring trading him.

      • Nov 7, 201212:59 pm
        by garenh

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        a better coach could still win at least 1 or 2 rings with billups and co, a better coach today could use TP, max to win games. we are 0-4 and that is not because of TP or max…

        • Nov 7, 20121:14 pm
          by tarsier

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          A lot of teams could win one or two more rings than they did. But that doesn’t mean that one or two more would be a reasonable expectation. I’ll take one championship from the last Pistons era and be happy with it. With 29 other teams gunning for the same thing, you seem to underestimate just how difficult it is to get multiple rings. The only teams to do it lately were headlined by Kobe, Duncan, and Shaq, any of whom could be argued to be a top ten all-time NBA player. Better teams than the last era of Pistons have been assembled without ever getting over the top.

          Those Pistons were a wonderful story and a great time for all us fans. But when Billups was traded, they simply did not have the talent to match up with Boston anymore–regardless of coaching (besides Rivers was doing a pretty good job coaching out there). I didn’t love their chances against LeBron and co (well, really, just LeBron) either. And that was just to get to the Finals. The Lakers were going to be waiting there. If they were to win one or two more rings, they would have come in 2005 and/or 2006. By the time of the Billups trade, there had been too much decline. And don’t forget, even their 2004 title took some major over-achievement (like the Mavs in 2011).

          I’m sure a better coach could get more wins out of this current team. but this is not a contending team. So I don’t care how many wins a coach can get out of it. I want a coach who can develop players because that’s what they need right now. Unfortunately, Frank doesn’t appear to be any good at that either. 

  • Nov 7, 20121:01 pm
    by BIGMARV

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    This is the problem with us as piston fans… we give out too many moral victories so we suppose to jump up and down with joy when Stuckey scores 17? THATS WHAT HE SUPPOSE TO DO! hell the man need to be avg 20+ a night he went 5 FOR 17! cmon man. Monroe good game… so now we put him back into allstar consideration? ARE YOU KIDDING ME! we gotta stop this people. We still havent won YET, the line up is still horrific and Frank cant coach his way out of a paper bag vs the Wasington Generals. I give the pistons credit as of now they are the worst team in the nba and their true fan base still praise them like they just won a game 6 in the Eastern Conference Finals we gotta stop this man. Tay is old cant ball no more whines about every call, the man look like he wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and drinks cold coffee every day. Maxiell “the human backpack” looks like the black “mini me” on the front court and im not gonna talk about Headband Kojack and Plastic man deep on the bench hell they should be sitting on the floor with the towel boys wiping the players sweat they look like they taking a bus vacation to every team around the map Piston fans we can do better thats all im saying.

    • Nov 7, 20121:16 pm
      by tarsier

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      The Pistons should play better if they want anyone to take them seriously.

      You should write better if you want anyone to take you seriously. 

      • Nov 7, 20122:08 pm
        by BIG MARV

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        personal attack removed

        • Nov 7, 20122:19 pm
          by I HATE U FRANK

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          personal attack removed

  • Nov 7, 20122:16 pm
    by Matt

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    @Tarsier
     
    What are you some kind of troll? You comment on what everyone says, including people “Name Calling” Really? What are you 5? So he was referred to as Sucky, his play backs that up. Nobody is hiding behind a computer screen when they say that, have you been to a game and hear what fans say about him in the stands? Also, lay off the writers, most people enjoy the chance to voice their opinion on the team, and the vent frustration. You? Well you just like to Troll. Go to the Laker Page if you wish to troll, nobody needs you here.
     

    • Nov 7, 20123:15 pm
      by Dan Feldman

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      Matt, you do not run this website. You do not set the tone. You do not decide what is desired here.

      Tarsier is consistently one of our best, most insightful, most respectful commenters. If you don’t like his comments, you go elsewhere. 

    • Nov 7, 20124:07 pm
      by tarsier

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      I have no problem with people calling Stuckey’s play sucky. It has been lately. I do have a problem with name-calling but that’s my issue. Free speech and all. Everyone can say what they want. And if I want to tell people how immature their name calling is, that’s well within my rights too. And if you want to make an argument for why it’s not immature, I will happily dialogue with you.

  • Nov 7, 20123:39 pm
    by Matt

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    Wow so your boy Tarsier can question peoples IQ and writing skills, but nothing can be said about him? How very noble of you Dan to stand up for him that way. No problem not coming back to this site, there are many more just like it.
     
     

    • Nov 7, 20124:12 pm
      by tarsier

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      I have rarely questioned anyone’s IQ on here. I believe I did when in a bad mood at one point and then I apologized for it. As for writing skills, yeah, I call a spade a spade. Because some posts are really terribly written.

      And what I said was both accurate and relevant. People do take well-written (or at least not terribly written) posts more seriously. Assuming people post on here because they want their opinions to be considered by others and to engage in dialogue, they probably want their posts taken seriously. I suppose people might just post here because pushing that “Submit Comment” button is so darn fun. In that case, my comment was accurate but irrelevant. But somehow I doubt that.

  • Nov 7, 20124:36 pm
    by I HATE U FRANK

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    Timeout…I didn’t attack anyone…. No mpre than Patrick has attacked Me…

    This is an Open Fan Forum, not every fan is gonna be up beat, and positive about a team that they love struggling…its a place to vent …but I mean we clearly still love the team, we just dont love what we are witnessing

     

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