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Kim English, Jonas Jerebko and Austin Daye could all be in play for perimeter minutes soon

The Pistons have had an evolving rotation over the last week or so, and Keith Langlois of Pistons.com suggests that the tinkering might not be over:

Other changes could be in store. English could find a way back into the playing group at shooting guard if Stuckey is going to spend more time at point guard. Frank talked about Jerebko or Daye as possibilities for backup minutes behind Prince.

“Anything is on the table,” he said. “Foul trouble, or someone is underperforming. It’s trying to figure out which pieces fit on that night. As long as you’re giving maximum effort, it starts there. Usually you can work things out when you’re playing hard.”

A couple of those moves — finding minutes for the cult of personality that is Kim English and (finally) letting Jonas Jerebko play some small forward — would be incredibly popular moves among fans who have been anxious for both for quite some time now. Austin Daye finding his way into the rotation would probably be less popular, but honestly, as much as Daye has struggled, this team has been way too bad for Daye to not get one last chance at earning a consistent role on the team.

26 Comments

  • Nov 28, 20122:27 pm
    by I HATE FRANK

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    it would be very popular, and I still believe Daye can be a solid player off the bench. At the end of the “Daye” (sorry couldnt help myself) Austin can shoot ans score the ball … thats his strenght, but he is the type of player that needs the green light

    • Nov 28, 20123:36 pm
      by tarsier

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      Not really, Daye can shoot the ball and he can look real good shooting it, but it still ends up clanking. Daye can shoot, but he can’t score.

    • Nov 28, 20124:42 pm
      by Ron

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      Haha Daye doesn’t have any “strength”

  • Nov 28, 20122:31 pm
    by Al

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    Those are all good line up changes that I’d welcome but I have to admit, while I had high hopes for Daye at one point including after summer league, but I’d rather go with Middleton with this youth movement. I think his defense would be better than Daye’s and I dont think he would fall in a shooting slump as fast as Daye would likely do.

  • Nov 28, 20122:32 pm
    by Al

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    Hey Patrick, Middleton or Daye? Just wondering who you rather see..

    • Nov 28, 20122:39 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Middleton for sure, but it’s a long season. If they went to the trouble of having Daye back on the roster, they might as well give him one last crack at playing time to see if he’s figured anything out. Middleton will be around for a while, Daye’s time is running out quickly, so there’s less pressure to find minutes for Middleton immediately. Best case, Daye looks decent enough to get a team to take a flier on him for a second round pick or something. Worst case, he continues to be awful, then you just bench him again.

  • Nov 28, 20122:42 pm
    by Scott Free

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    I’m for Jerebko finding his way into a lineup that isnt counting on him to score from the perimeter, having both English and Villanueva in the same lineup would free him to be himself.

    • Nov 28, 20123:40 pm
      by tarsier

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      Isn’t scoring from the perimeter the epitome of being himself?

      • Nov 28, 20124:43 pm
        by Scott Free

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        Jerebko attempts about 100 3s a year and he shoots about 30%, I wouldn’t necessarily call that the hallmark of a distance shooter.  

        Jonas does most of his damage (other than easy baskets, tip ins, dunks ect) around the amateur 3 line.  His % plummets when he takes a few steps back.  The Pistons were essentially asking someone to step out of their comfort zone into a role much better suited to Charlie V.  Thats not to say that CV31 is the better player… just better on a lineup with 2 slasher/scorers and a defensive prodigy.  

        With a different GO-TO guy from distance, Jonas can fit comfortably into a 2nd or 3rd option from deep (like Tayshaun on the starting lineup).  

      • Nov 29, 201210:25 am
        by tarsier

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        My bad, my eyes bounced a line mid-reading and I thought you were talking about CV, not JJ.

  • Nov 28, 20122:46 pm
    by frankie d

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    agree wholehearted with patrick on this one.
    if they weren’t going to play daye, why bring him back?
    i’d have rather seen ben wallace around as an emergency big man/assistant coach.
    also, a huge weakness on this team, especially since ben gordon is not around, is 3 point shooting.  daye has one solid season of 3 point shooting in the nba, a history of being able to shoot, and therefore is at least worth looking at as an option to provide what the team desperately needs.  i’ve been one of the few fans at least here – willing to look at both CV and daye as rotation players, if only because of their 3 point shooting.  they have clear defensive liabilities, but with the right defensive approach – a zone, perhaps, with drummond as a back line defender – you might be able to get away with playing one or the other in order to get their shooting on the court.
    and at the very least, daye might increase whatever value he might have, at this point.  as a fan, i just hate the idea of the team simply giving away/letting walk, another young player.  there has been far too much of that the last 5 years. 

    • Nov 28, 20123:41 pm
      by tarsier

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      Why bring Daye back? Because Dumars has been a terrible GM for the past half decade.

  • Nov 28, 20123:18 pm
    by Al

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    Valid point and thx Patrick.

  • Nov 28, 20123:19 pm
    by apa8ren9

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    So let me translate this:  Frank has finally decided to use some coaching acumen and use some in game strategy/adjustment in correlation to who is playing well.   Something that he should have been doing all along?
    I understand its hard being a coach but the back court minutes arent the issue.   The issue is front court minutes.   You only need a 3 guard rotation since Singler has proven that he can not only handle big minutes but he can contribute to winning.   See as far as Im concerned unless there is an injury that problem is solved.  You bring in Bynum only if its a blowout or 2 of the 3  (Singler, Knight, Stuckey) are having foul trouble or just terrible games.   Its just that simple.  The only talk of shuffling the rotation should be if CV can hold that spot for more than a couple of games.   The measuring stick should be impacting the game and winning.   The playing hard and all that crap was for the preseason.

  • Nov 28, 20123:56 pm
    by Otis

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    This is all good news, even Charlie getting minutes. But adjusting the rotation is far less important than adjusting the roster. Hopefully one will lead to the other. The organization has been sitting on its hands while acquiring talent as slowly as possible, completely free of urgency, all the while claiming to be “evaluating.” Perpetually evaluating.

    By opening day next season, this team needs to have its core in place. And I mean a real core, not a handful of middling prospects that could boom or bust. After languishing for four years, we finally have the assets to get it done, and it needs to happen before we lose a lottery pick to Charlotte by stinking next season too.

    When you have no chance at the playoffs, it is completely meaningless to have the “luxury” of plugging CV into the rotation and sitting JJ, or having entirely too much mediocre depth at the wing and forward positions in general. You need to maximize your assets when you stink like this team does, and that means you make some trades. I’d rather have a clear hierarchy of your starters, second unit, and bench depth. Instead we’ve got fifteen guys who are basically interchangeable because absolutely everyone is expendable.

    • Nov 28, 20125:01 pm
      by Crispus

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      It’s true. Our talent is way too dilute. The problem is that everyone seems somehow promising except crusty old Prince and Maxiell.

  • Nov 28, 20124:18 pm
    by Al

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    Also I want them to find away to get Slava some looks, he was so widely praised in training camp and then poof, he’s not even mentioned anymore expect by fans…

  • Nov 28, 20124:18 pm
    by Mone

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    I’m happy to see Daye getting another chance.. He is the shooter on the Pistons roster and can really help stretch the floor… He even made 10 3-pointers in a row(in the NBA) once time…. He also has very nice handles for a 6’11 guy..

    • Nov 28, 20124:19 pm
      by Mone

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      I’m happy to see Daye getting another chance.. He is the best shooter on the Pistons roster and can really help stretch the floor… He even made 10 3-pointers in a row(in the NBA) once time…. He also has very nice handles for a 6’11 guy..

  • Nov 28, 20124:38 pm
    by dvs

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    If CV is going to get minutes, then i would love to see Jonas backing up Prince instead of Maggette.
    I want to see Stuckey / English (or middleton) / Jonas / CV / Drummond  as our second unit.
     

  • Nov 28, 20125:22 pm
    by michael

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    The Pistons problem with any of those three (Daye, JJ, English) is that the second squad – if Frank persists on playing 10 players – is that you already have 3 potentially offensive challenged players on the court Stuckey, Charlie V and Drummond, then you add a 4th… that could spell disaster in any given quarter.  Better be prepared to use the hook QUICK for any and all EXCEPT FOR DRUMMOND – Drummond is not out there for his offensive prowess – when they start clanking the ball.  

    With that many potential “Clankers” out there, one or two are bound to be “ringing the rim”.  Good news is Andre puts a high percentage of those garbage shots back… 

  • [...] • Possibly coming soon to the Pistons’ rotation: Kim English and Austin Daye. Will Bynum and Jonas Jerebko are effectively on the hot seat, and Lawrence Frank is a desperate man. [...]

  • Nov 28, 20126:45 pm
    by TMC

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    It’s funny how people talk down on CV.
    The man is the most proven scorer on our team!!!
    Hes been a very good player his whole life until he got Frank as his coach.
    Before he was a piston he was considered better than everybody on this roster!
    And all of a sudden he’s garbage? No way
    He’s still the best pf on our squad!
    Then people say well he’s a defensive liability well honestly NOBODY is playing good defense!

  • Nov 28, 20126:47 pm
    by kamal

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    Patrick, has Daye EVER had extended minutes at the 3?  I know early in his career, Kuester played him at the 4 and the 2.  Last year, Frank played him the 4.

    I never bought into that whole stretch 4 with Daye.  He was always a 3 who was tall and skinny like Durant and Rashard Lewis.  Not saying he’s going to be as good as them, but I believe that is his strongest position.

    • Nov 28, 20126:54 pm
      by Mone

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      I agree..

    • Nov 28, 201210:18 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Daye was primarily a 2-3 last season under Frank until he lost his rotation spot early in the season. They didn’t move him back to the four until the offseason, when Daye gained back some of the weight he lost.

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