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	<title>Comments on: Joe Dumars: It&#8217;s not Lawrence Frank&#8217;s job to get young players up to speed</title>
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		<title>By: MarkButter</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkButter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe is exactly right.  You don&#039;t wait for the slowest player/student to catch up to the other 14/29 stutdents to catch up.  Why hold the other 14/29 back?  It makes no sense.

The other thing is, we did that exact thing with Darko.  Obviously the circumstances are a bit different and being able to crack the rotation.  But I think it led to a bit of Darko&#039;s play, not having played and everyone just &quot;waiting&quot; on him.   He didn&#039;t think there was no &quot;rush&quot; because he wasn&#039;t going to crack the lineup.  Now, playing for LB vs. Frank is different, but you raise the bar.

Finally, this is their job.  You start a new job as a fresh employee or new grad, businesses don&#039;t &quot;wait&quot; for you to catch up.  That&#039;s the reason they hired you, to step in and get moving.  If you&#039;re not playing this or that guy right now because he &quot;might&quot; hurt you, what&#039;s to say he won&#039;t &quot;hurt&quot; you later down the road.  Now, with NFL blocking schemes, calls, etc., your left tackle better know what&#039;s going on or your QB will get killed.  I understand that, but that&#039;s the exception.

We&#039;re NOT a play or missed rebound away from winning a chip.  Errors will happen.  I&#039;d rather have them learned in the first quarter than become evident in the 4th.

Finally, play Drummond.  Monroe &amp; Knight are young enough to be able to relate to Drummond about staying late, arriving early, off-season workouts, etc.  Having Knight or Monroe bark at Drummond on the way down the court will do more for us as a team and for Drummond as a player than either Frank or Prince doing the same.  If Knight and Monroe are the leaders we belive them to be, it will work itself out.  If not, then we were wrong about knight/monroe more than Frank.

Did I forget to mention to play Drummond?  He&#039;ll adjust his game, and more importantly learn to adjust his game by playing (i.e., officials, the speed, etc.)  There&#039;s NEVER been a way to imitate in practice, regardless of the sport, game speed.  Calling TO in practice to go over a missed assignment pales in comparison to barking at someone during the game. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe is exactly right.  You don&#8217;t wait for the slowest player/student to catch up to the other 14/29 stutdents to catch up.  Why hold the other 14/29 back?  It makes no sense.</p>
<p>The other thing is, we did that exact thing with Darko.  Obviously the circumstances are a bit different and being able to crack the rotation.  But I think it led to a bit of Darko&#8217;s play, not having played and everyone just &#8220;waiting&#8221; on him.   He didn&#8217;t think there was no &#8220;rush&#8221; because he wasn&#8217;t going to crack the lineup.  Now, playing for LB vs. Frank is different, but you raise the bar.</p>
<p>Finally, this is their job.  You start a new job as a fresh employee or new grad, businesses don&#8217;t &#8220;wait&#8221; for you to catch up.  That&#8217;s the reason they hired you, to step in and get moving.  If you&#8217;re not playing this or that guy right now because he &#8220;might&#8221; hurt you, what&#8217;s to say he won&#8217;t &#8220;hurt&#8221; you later down the road.  Now, with NFL blocking schemes, calls, etc., your left tackle better know what&#8217;s going on or your QB will get killed.  I understand that, but that&#8217;s the exception.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re NOT a play or missed rebound away from winning a chip.  Errors will happen.  I&#8217;d rather have them learned in the first quarter than become evident in the 4th.</p>
<p>Finally, play Drummond.  Monroe &amp; Knight are young enough to be able to relate to Drummond about staying late, arriving early, off-season workouts, etc.  Having Knight or Monroe bark at Drummond on the way down the court will do more for us as a team and for Drummond as a player than either Frank or Prince doing the same.  If Knight and Monroe are the leaders we belive them to be, it will work itself out.  If not, then we were wrong about knight/monroe more than Frank.</p>
<p>Did I forget to mention to play Drummond?  He&#8217;ll adjust his game, and more importantly learn to adjust his game by playing (i.e., officials, the speed, etc.)  There&#8217;s NEVER been a way to imitate in practice, regardless of the sport, game speed.  Calling TO in practice to go over a missed assignment pales in comparison to barking at someone during the game. </p>
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		<title>By: sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 14:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desolation Row, I hear you man about the League Pass subscription. Personally, I am using the free trial week, before I decide on getting this season&#039;s subscription.
If OUR Pistons play anything like they did on Wednesday night, in Phoenix, LA, and Denver, then I am not going to spend my pennies on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desolation Row, I hear you man about the League Pass subscription. Personally, I am using the free trial week, before I decide on getting this season&#8217;s subscription.<br />
If OUR Pistons play anything like they did on Wednesday night, in Phoenix, LA, and Denver, then I am not going to spend my pennies on it.</p>
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		<title>By: XstreamINsanity</title>
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		<dc:creator>XstreamINsanity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 12:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find some truth to that, but not much.  I think if Khris Middleton wanted to go in and workout on the team&#039;s day off, any of the coaches would be willing to be there and help him out.  Same goes for any of the young cats.  I think what he was trying to say is that Frank (and the entire coaching staff) can&#039;t &quot;make&quot; a determined team.  Joe wants players who want to play and specifically who want to play to their best potential and are determined to get there.  If you have someone that has talent but doesn&#039;t want to practice hard or put in extra work, well that takes you back to someone...

&quot;We&#039;re talking about practice?&quot;

Some players think that they can just go in the game and get 20 points a night.  Aside from those extremely physically gifted athletes, nobody can do that, not without chucking up a crap load of shots.  And those extremely physically gifted athletes didn&#039;t just get that way by eating Wheaties in the morning and going to mandatory practice.  They put in the extra time to go to the gym and lift, to get up extra shots, to run long distances to build endurance, and to learn the playbook.

If you have players on a team that aren&#039;t willing to put in the work out of the actual game, then you shouldn&#039;t want those players on your team.  You want players who want to be better and put in the extra work to do so, especially if they&#039;re behind.  That&#039;s what the point was of his message.

But I can see the flip side also.  Andre Drummond needs to learn to block out better.  You can practice and preach that some in practice, but if he needs more help, because of his vast potential, you may need to push him.  There&#039;s a fine line.  It&#039;s not all Frank&#039;s responsibility, but it partly is. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find some truth to that, but not much.  I think if Khris Middleton wanted to go in and workout on the team&#8217;s day off, any of the coaches would be willing to be there and help him out.  Same goes for any of the young cats.  I think what he was trying to say is that Frank (and the entire coaching staff) can&#8217;t &#8220;make&#8221; a determined team.  Joe wants players who want to play and specifically who want to play to their best potential and are determined to get there.  If you have someone that has talent but doesn&#8217;t want to practice hard or put in extra work, well that takes you back to someone&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re talking about practice?&#8221;</p>
<p>Some players think that they can just go in the game and get 20 points a night.  Aside from those extremely physically gifted athletes, nobody can do that, not without chucking up a crap load of shots.  And those extremely physically gifted athletes didn&#8217;t just get that way by eating Wheaties in the morning and going to mandatory practice.  They put in the extra time to go to the gym and lift, to get up extra shots, to run long distances to build endurance, and to learn the playbook.</p>
<p>If you have players on a team that aren&#8217;t willing to put in the work out of the actual game, then you shouldn&#8217;t want those players on your team.  You want players who want to be better and put in the extra work to do so, especially if they&#8217;re behind.  That&#8217;s what the point was of his message.</p>
<p>But I can see the flip side also.  Andre Drummond needs to learn to block out better.  You can practice and preach that some in practice, but if he needs more help, because of his vast potential, you may need to push him.  There&#8217;s a fine line.  It&#8217;s not all Frank&#8217;s responsibility, but it partly is. </p>
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		<title>By: BIGMARV</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIGMARV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2012 05:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put it like this coaches coach players play I use to be a player and it does take additonal pratice to get better. But it has to be in the player to get that hunger in himself which means more workouts and more time in the film room by himself you always heard that from the greast players that played the game they put in the extra time to get better thats what Drummond will have to understand I think his closest teamates will school him on that its not up to Frank its on the player.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put it like this coaches coach players play I use to be a player and it does take additonal pratice to get better. But it has to be in the player to get that hunger in himself which means more workouts and more time in the film room by himself you always heard that from the greast players that played the game they put in the extra time to get better thats what Drummond will have to understand I think his closest teamates will school him on that its not up to Frank its on the player.</p>
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		<title>By: MNM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MNM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the fact that the NHL is on strike, so there is no hockey to watch... It doesn&#039;t make a difference to me anyway, because the NHL or maybe the Red Wings apparently don&#039;t believe in promoting themselves. Much of the time I don&#039;t even realize they are playing unless I happen to flip through the channels and stumble upon it. At least with the Pistons, Im hearing commercials on the radio, seeing commercials on tv, adds pop up on the internet sometimes.. They make sure you don&#039;t forget what night they are playing, what time, and what team... Hockey..?  I thought it would change once Tom Wilson went over there, but apparently not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the fact that the NHL is on strike, so there is no hockey to watch&#8230; It doesn&#8217;t make a difference to me anyway, because the NHL or maybe the Red Wings apparently don&#8217;t believe in promoting themselves. Much of the time I don&#8217;t even realize they are playing unless I happen to flip through the channels and stumble upon it. At least with the Pistons, Im hearing commercials on the radio, seeing commercials on tv, adds pop up on the internet sometimes.. They make sure you don&#8217;t forget what night they are playing, what time, and what team&#8230; Hockey..?  I thought it would change once Tom Wilson went over there, but apparently not.</p>
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		<title>By: bugsygod</title>
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		<dc:creator>bugsygod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WIN OR LOSE!!  that says its all, so why would frank(whose getting paid to win) slow down the progress of winning??  who said it was drummond behind??  he seemed to be ahead of the curve for most of the preseason.  and sorry dude in this world/country etc 19 is a GROWN ASS MAN!  I got a job at 18 and have gotten up for work for the last 20 yrs!  So what would make drummond different from me?? or anyone that begins working at a young age.  He cant stay after practice?  He cant go to practice early?  I guess i dont get your point or what your saying...&quot;hold his hand?&quot;  come on dude who wants a player like that.  I want go getters! 
Finally who said anyone was behind???  Where there names of the supposed &quot;behind&quot; players?  The only rookie who looks behind is Slava and i think a lot of that is the change in culture from coming from a new country.  So until you can point to me where frank is not coaching sumbody up....  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WIN OR LOSE!!  that says its all, so why would frank(whose getting paid to win) slow down the progress of winning??  who said it was drummond behind??  he seemed to be ahead of the curve for most of the preseason.  and sorry dude in this world/country etc 19 is a GROWN ASS MAN!  I got a job at 18 and have gotten up for work for the last 20 yrs!  So what would make drummond different from me?? or anyone that begins working at a young age.  He cant stay after practice?  He cant go to practice early?  I guess i dont get your point or what your saying&#8230;&#8221;hold his hand?&#8221;  come on dude who wants a player like that.  I want go getters!<br />
Finally who said anyone was behind???  Where there names of the supposed &#8220;behind&#8221; players?  The only rookie who looks behind is Slava and i think a lot of that is the change in culture from coming from a new country.  So until you can point to me where frank is not coaching sumbody up&#8230;. <br />
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		<title>By: Desolation Row</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desolation Row</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Start Drummond. Start JJ. Start the future already. I didn&#039;t pay for NBA League Pass out here on the West Coast to see Jason Maxiell play for his next contract. 

I&#039;m all for rigid &quot;systems&quot; when they work. Dumars&#039; hasn&#039;t. It&#039;s time he made some ch-ch-changes -- turn and face the strain.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Start Drummond. Start JJ. Start the future already. I didn&#8217;t pay for NBA League Pass out here on the West Coast to see Jason Maxiell play for his next contract. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for rigid &#8220;systems&#8221; when they work. Dumars&#8217; hasn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s time he made some ch-ch-changes &#8212; turn and face the strain.</p>
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		<title>By: tarsier</title>
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		<dc:creator>tarsier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 22:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can argue about what was meant by the comment. But ultimately, I think everyone agrees that as coach, it is Frank&#039;s (and his staff&#039;s) job to help develop the team. Both those who take more and less time to &quot;get it&quot;. However, it is not his job, and in fact would be counter productive, to stymie the development of the entire team to help out one player who is struggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can argue about what was meant by the comment. But ultimately, I think everyone agrees that as coach, it is Frank&#8217;s (and his staff&#8217;s) job to help develop the team. Both those who take more and less time to &#8220;get it&#8221;. However, it is not his job, and in fact would be counter productive, to stymie the development of the entire team to help out one player who is struggling.</p>
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		<title>By: frankie d</title>
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		<dc:creator>frankie d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 21:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes.  
wilkins was just the latest in a long line of retreads who have stolen PT from young players.
and yes, i would have preferred that macklin and daye and jerebko and even a SG like gordon have received every minute of the PT that wilkins got.
macklin and daye may have established some type of trade value.  (who knows, maybe daye could have even roused himself out of his season-long slump.)  smart teams like houston acquire and develop young players so that they can turn around and trade them, if they don&#039;t fit their team.  macklin showed fairly well during his limited PT.  daye could have been traded, apparently, but he would have been dumped for nothing last year, as teams were apparently eager to raid get a talent like daye on the cheap.  if both those young players had been given more and regular PT, who knows how much greater their value in the league would have been.  it certainly could not have been worse.
jerebko? why couldn&#039;t he have gotten his minutes up to 28-30 per game, which could have happened if wilkins was not clogging up the rotation.  it&#039;s not as though JJ is incapable of logging those numbers.  his stats dwarf wilkins pitiful numbers.  why on god&#039;s earth would anyone have preferred seeing wilkins stumble around the court, rather than have JJ out there for another 7+ minutes?
the same case could be made for gordon.  gordon&#039;s offensive numbers dwarfed wilkins&#039; and he could have often helped the team by being out there for longer stretches.    on a team that desperately needed outside shooting, gordon got only 10 shots a game, while shooting 43% from 3 point range. while gordon is no defensive stopper, neither was wilkins, whose primary positive was the he was at least in the proper place at the appropriate time, even if he got abused while he occupied that space.  he was the coach&#039;s security blanket.  when they looked at game tape, he&#039;d always see that wilkins was at least carrying out his assignment correctly, even while opposing players torched him.
i would have rather seen gordon at least have the potential to score right back.
all of those guys could have at least provided something.  possibly.  from increased trade value - macklin, daye - to on-court contributions -  JJ and gordon - the players wilkins took time away from could have added something to the franchise&#039;s future.
exactly what did wilkins contribute, other than giving frank a warm and fuzzy feeling when he watched game tape?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes.  <br />
wilkins was just the latest in a long line of retreads who have stolen PT from young players.<br />
and yes, i would have preferred that macklin and daye and jerebko and even a SG like gordon have received every minute of the PT that wilkins got.<br />
macklin and daye may have established some type of trade value.  (who knows, maybe daye could have even roused himself out of his season-long slump.)  smart teams like houston acquire and develop young players so that they can turn around and trade them, if they don&#8217;t fit their team.  macklin showed fairly well during his limited PT.  daye could have been traded, apparently, but he would have been dumped for nothing last year, as teams were apparently eager to raid get a talent like daye on the cheap.  if both those young players had been given more and regular PT, who knows how much greater their value in the league would have been.  it certainly could not have been worse.<br />
jerebko? why couldn&#8217;t he have gotten his minutes up to 28-30 per game, which could have happened if wilkins was not clogging up the rotation.  it&#8217;s not as though JJ is incapable of logging those numbers.  his stats dwarf wilkins pitiful numbers.  why on god&#8217;s earth would anyone have preferred seeing wilkins stumble around the court, rather than have JJ out there for another 7+ minutes?<br />
the same case could be made for gordon.  gordon&#8217;s offensive numbers dwarfed wilkins&#8217; and he could have often helped the team by being out there for longer stretches.    on a team that desperately needed outside shooting, gordon got only 10 shots a game, while shooting 43% from 3 point range. while gordon is no defensive stopper, neither was wilkins, whose primary positive was the he was at least in the proper place at the appropriate time, even if he got abused while he occupied that space.  he was the coach&#8217;s security blanket.  when they looked at game tape, he&#8217;d always see that wilkins was at least carrying out his assignment correctly, even while opposing players torched him.<br />
i would have rather seen gordon at least have the potential to score right back.<br />
all of those guys could have at least provided something.  possibly.  from increased trade value &#8211; macklin, daye &#8211; to on-court contributions &#8211;  JJ and gordon &#8211; the players wilkins took time away from could have added something to the franchise&#8217;s future.<br />
exactly what did wilkins contribute, other than giving frank a warm and fuzzy feeling when he watched game tape?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2012 20:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...unfortunately, what has happened with the team and its young players over the last few years seems to fall exactly in line with style of coaching and it explains why Frank would play a worn-out retread like Damian Wilkins (sic) while keeping young players on the bench.&quot;

The young players that were kept on the bench in favor of the likes of Damien Wilkins are 1) a big man that is currently no longer in the NBA, 2) an undersized stretch four who shot nearly twenty-three percent from the field and provided little else,  and (if we&#039;re counting Walker Russell) 3) a 30 year old point guard that similarly could not shoot the rock.

Conversely, Gren Monroe played thirty-one minutes a game last year and the rookie guard Brandon Knight played thirty-two.  Jonas Jerebko played nearly twenty-three minutes a game and Rodney Stuckey played around thirty minutes a game, and likely would have played more had he not been so oft-injured.

You&#039;re really going to go after Lawrence Frank for keeping young players on the bench last year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;unfortunately, what has happened with the team and its young players over the last few years seems to fall exactly in line with style of coaching and it explains why Frank would play a worn-out retread like Damian Wilkins (sic) while keeping young players on the bench.&#8221;</p>
<p>The young players that were kept on the bench in favor of the likes of Damien Wilkins are 1) a big man that is currently no longer in the NBA, 2) an undersized stretch four who shot nearly twenty-three percent from the field and provided little else,  and (if we&#8217;re counting Walker Russell) 3) a 30 year old point guard that similarly could not shoot the rock.</p>
<p>Conversely, Gren Monroe played thirty-one minutes a game last year and the rookie guard Brandon Knight played thirty-two.  Jonas Jerebko played nearly twenty-three minutes a game and Rodney Stuckey played around thirty minutes a game, and likely would have played more had he not been so oft-injured.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re really going to go after Lawrence Frank for keeping young players on the bench last year?</p>
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