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Going for back-to-back wins…

Essentials

  • Teams: Orlando Magic (2-5) at Detroit Pistons (1-8)
  • Date: November 16, 2012
  • Time: 7:30 p.m.
  • Television: FSD

What to look for

After finally getting their first victory of the season on Wednesday night, in a blowout on the road no less, the Detroit Pistons will look to reproduce that type of effort tonight when they host an Orlando Magic team looking to rebound from a home loss at the hands of the New York Knicks.

The Magic will surely try to take advantage of the Pistons’ porous interior defense that surrenders the most points in the paint per game in the league, but they will have to scheme to do this since their personnel isn’t exactly tailor made for the task.

Indeed, on the season Orlando manufactures 41.1 points in the paint per game (15th in the league), but they have to get creative to get points at the rim because they do not have any good ball-handlers — Jameer Nelson is out with a pulled groin — capable of breaking down defenders to get into the lane and create shots for themselves or others. Thus, they will post up the likes of Arron Afflalo, Glen Davis and Nikola Vucekic and run back screens or have perimeter players cut from the opposite side of the court for easy baskets in the lane.

The Magic do a great job of moving the ball and sharing the wealth to avoid teams from keying in on any particular player. For a team without a stud scorer, it’s a great way of creating high percentage shots, and they also are very fond of using the pick-and-roll to get the defense scrambling and that’s when the Magic players do their best work as far as cutting to basket when defenders turn their heads.

It’s worth noting that Glen Davis is a decent low post option, but becomes a great one whenever defenses switch and he gets matched up with a smaller player.

It will be important for Pistons defenders to remain on high alert and not get sucked in to ball-gawking, otherwise they will easily give up baskets. Mind you, should Frank’s group be successful in defending Orlando’s early options in their plays, they should be in terrific shape because the only other recourse the Magic players have is to shoot contested jumpers given their lack of shot creators.

On the season, Jacque Vaughn’s unit is converting 43.3 percent of their shots (20th in the NBA) and only manufactures 16.7 free throw attempts per game (29th in the league).

Defensively, Orlando is a middle of the pack team as evidenced by their defensive efficiency of 101.2 (19th in the association).

Other than Arron Afflalo, the team doesn’t seem to have any other players capable of making things difficult for opponents individually. Thus, they rely on each other to cover up their limitations and use a couple of different defensive looks to get their opponents out of their comfort zone.

The Magic players always retreat to the painted area and almost concede the open jumper to make sure they do not give up easy shots at the rim. According to Hoopdata, Orlando only surrenders 22.7 shots at the rim per game (fifth least in the NBA), which in turn means that their opponents have to find other ways to score on them. Vaughn gets his defense to do this by making his players go underneath in the pick-and-roll, loading up on wing isolations to the point it looks like a zone and throwing hard double teams at post players when they put the ball on the floor.

The strategy certainly seems to be a successful one at first glance, considering that the team lacks quality size to defend the rim area, but the obvious drawback is that Magic opponents get a multitude of open jumpers, and more importantly for the Pistons, it opens up the basket area for second chance opportunities where the likes of Monroe, Maxiell, Jerebko and Drummond have been quite effective.

Detroit’s defensive woes are bound to surface against Orlando, but if they can limit the damage and be anything remotely close to average against a subpar offensive team, the Pistons should have back-to-back wins by night’s end.

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52 Comments

  • Nov 16, 20126:09 pm
    by gmehl

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    I will go out on a limb here and say we will win this one

  • Nov 16, 20126:15 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    I can see us getting back to back

  • Nov 16, 20126:16 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    Singler Starts…so im very confident

  • Nov 16, 20126:17 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    Singler Starts…so im very confident….

  • Nov 16, 20126:30 pm
    by gmehl

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    So it will be Big Baby vs the Baby Eater…how about we just play the 19 year old and he will kill them all. Free Drummond and this nightmare start will end!

  • Nov 16, 20126:41 pm
    by Desolation Row

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    Could be a good confidence booster game for Drummond, unleash the beast! With Nelson out, this is a prime opportunity for a win. 

  • Nov 16, 20126:54 pm
    by JMaxForever

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    Themanchildbeast deserved some playing time. But max is steady. Keep max’s minutes. Themanchildbeast’s time will come

  • Nov 16, 20128:03 pm
    by theicon77

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    Please make the music stop.

  • Nov 16, 20128:20 pm
    by frankie d

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    gee…drummond looks like he can play this game…

  • Nov 16, 20128:21 pm
    by I LOVE U FRANK

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    Drummond has quick hands….

  • Nov 16, 20128:22 pm
    by starlight0997

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    This team is moving A LOT better now. The addition of Maggette is helping.
     

  • Nov 16, 20128:36 pm
    by gmehl

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    I wonder what Joe thinks now knowing that he gave away Afflalo for nothing. It would probably be something along the lines of ‘geez i sure can pick them but f**k i can sure throw them away’

    • Nov 16, 20128:39 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      It’s even more annoying now because of how perfect a fit AA would be for this particular roster.

    • Nov 16, 20128:49 pm
      by frankie d

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      that summer has to rank as one of the worst off-seasons by any gm in recent memory.  from dumping solid players in amir and AA for nothing to blowing almost 100 million on two players he has to pay other teams to get rid of.
      the only halfway decent move was signing wilcox, but he acquired wilcox a couple years after wilcox could have really made a difference for the pistons.
      a summer that will live in infamy.  and a summer that marked a huge downturn in the team’s fortunes, right when they could have rebounded nicely with a few astute transactions.

  • Nov 16, 20128:42 pm
    by I LOVE U FRANK

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    Knight is have another well rounded game ….6 pts 4rebs 5ast (3 to’s) … 2 to’s he keeps keeping deeping into the paint and trying to kick out…but he needs to either score the ball or get to the line

  • Nov 16, 20128:53 pm
    by frankie d

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    i didn’t know tay had that one in him anymore.
    yow-za! 

  • Nov 16, 20129:08 pm
    by acr

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    Monroe is killing it tonight.

  • Nov 16, 20129:38 pm
    by Domnick

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    what the hell is going on! we led as many as 10 and now trailing by 2!

  • Nov 16, 20129:43 pm
    by I LOVE U FRANK

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    Knight is turning into a true point before our eyes

  • Nov 16, 20129:45 pm
    by I LOVE U FRANK

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    Knight had 3 silly turn overs in the first quarter..since then 7 ast to zero to’s

  • Nov 16, 20129:48 pm
    by frankie d

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    that last fast break is an example of what i mean when i say that knight makes a lot of dumb plays for a guy who is supposed to be so smart.
    instead of setting up an easy two on one with a midget guard back defending, he first tries to go one on one and then makes a poor pass to set singler up with a really tough shot.
    a smart player sets up the easy two on one break and makes the easy play.
    i’m still waiting on knight to show that he really is a smart guy. 

    • Nov 16, 20129:50 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      That was truly one of the most awful PG-run 2-on-1 breaks I’ve ever seen. Luckily Singler got fouled, but Knight put him in a horrid position with that pass.

  • Nov 16, 20129:49 pm
    by theicon77

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    And like that…it’s over.

  • Nov 16, 20129:50 pm
    by jingzy

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    pistons choke again man

  • Nov 16, 20129:51 pm
    by Mel

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    We got out coached. AGAIN!!!
     

    • Nov 16, 20129:54 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Did the coach keep leaving J.J. Redick open?

      • Nov 16, 201210:19 pm
        by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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        No but he could have put a better defensive match up in that situation…

  • Nov 16, 20129:54 pm
    by I LOVE U FRANK

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    Terrible Coaching rotation again!…
    But anyway … Knight, Singler, Greg, and Drummond all played well

  • Nov 16, 20129:55 pm
    by Steve K

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    Yeah, I do put some blame on the coach. He kept the 2nd unit in way too long when they were getting shellacked.  

    • Nov 16, 201210:00 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      Definitely. He’s not blameless at all. But I just reject the premise from some of the vocal commenters here that Frank is the major problem this team has. They have a lot of problems, and they didn’t lose this game solely because of Frank’s rotation.

  • Nov 16, 20129:56 pm
    by Steve K

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    But agreed, the players just don’t want to put much effort on D.

  • Nov 16, 20129:58 pm
    by I LOVE U FRANK

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    Knight is getting better….and I believe soon he will realize that the 3 ball is a option to make the defense speak him…

  • Nov 16, 20129:59 pm
    by Rodman4Life

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    Stuckey was a -19 tonight.  So even off the bench he can sink our ship! Awesome!

    • Nov 16, 201210:25 pm
      by Mark

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      And Singler was +17. 

      I commend Stuckey for volunteering to come off the bench, but right now we can’t win with him no matter where he plays.

      Its time to trade him. 

  • Nov 16, 201210:01 pm
    by Patrick Hayes

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    Also, I would kill to have either of Orlando’s veteran shooting guards — Redick or Afflalo would be a fantastic fit.

    • Nov 16, 201210:05 pm
      by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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      or we can develop Kim English

      • Nov 16, 201210:07 pm
        by Patrick Hayes

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        English is nowhere near as talented as either of those guys. And I like English. But Redick and Afflalo, if they get traded, are going to really help a team this season.

        • Nov 16, 201210:11 pm
          by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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          years ago…people called Reddick a bust and Affalo was just a solid defender and spot up shooter…my point is you develop talent… English isnt that far away from either player talent wise…

          • Nov 16, 201210:25 pm
            by Patrick Hayes

            Redick was a lottery pick and NCAA Player of the Year. Afflalo was an All-American and first round pick. English wasn’t even the best player on his college team. English’s ceiling is solid reserve shooter/defender off the bench. I’d be shocked if he’s anything more than that, and that’s no knock on him. But very few players as good as Redick or Afflalo slip to the second round.

          • Nov 16, 201210:30 pm
            by Joe Dumars

            The big problem with this team except for Drummond none of the players in the last 4 drafts never had the make up of great defensive players when they where drafted. Defense and the lack of a scorer is a big problem for this team, and thats not really on Frank.

          • Nov 16, 201210:35 pm
            by T MC

            Get real they have always been better than him. And GREAT college players.
            Calm down Kim is a second round pick that wasn’t even the best player on his college team.
            He really isn’t a better ballplayer than Middleton honestly.

          • Nov 16, 201210:36 pm
            by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

            i hear you…BUT no one said that Affalo was going to become the player he is now, most peopled called Riddick a lottery bust…. Im saying English have some of their traits…. Good defender, good shooter, can move without the ball, competive… the rest of his game will develop or wont develop..but its not Affalo or Riddick just entered the league and people were saying they are gonna shine in this league…

  • Nov 16, 201210:01 pm
    by gmehl

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    Yep this game hurts but it is definitely clear we look better with Stuckey as our 6th man. I would like to of seen Magette in there when we were only down 2 (the play before Big Baby’s jumper). Oh and i really hope Maxiell’s dunk on Big Baby makes SportCenter. Big Baby got eaten on that play but yes he did end up having the last laugh.

  • Nov 16, 201210:04 pm
    by Mel

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    No the coach didn’t leave JJ open but he did have questionable rotations which lost us the game in the end. We beat a Philly team by 20 and loose to a Orlando team coming off a 5 game loosing steak. Coach Vaughn went into the half an made sure the players opened the floor which allowed Orlando to get JJ those open shots. Frank could not make adjustments.
     

    • Nov 16, 201211:35 pm
      by frankie d

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      orlando did something to work reddick free in the second half.  singler did a great job on him in the first half, but it looked like he kept slipping away from singler in the second half.  not sure what they did, but whatever it was, it worked.  
      coach did stay with the second unit too long, but i won’t kill him for that.  those guys need to learn how to keep and sustain a lead late in games.  if they have to lose one like this for them to learn that lesson, so they can, so be it.   that is how young players learn.
      biggest gripe is, once again, the refusal to play drummond and monroe together.  both guys seemed to be really ready to play tonight and it looked like it could have been a good night for them to pair up.   big baby davis was manhandling monroe and maxiell and it would have been nice to have drummond’s bulk in there when davis started throwing his bulk around.  

  • Nov 16, 201210:07 pm
    by Mel

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    I’d rather have Derozon he’s more athletic. Or Afflalo

  • Nov 16, 201210:09 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    there was a time out available we could have switch the line up to go defensive…could have took maxiell out and brought in Drummond to play defense…. 7’0 260 defending 6’8 260 …would have been a better match up

    • Nov 16, 201210:15 pm
      by gmehl

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      Yeah i hought the same thing. Maxiell had a good game but isn’t that the 2nd game now where we had someone shooting over Max to win the game?? I have lost count how many times he is just over matched physically on defense. He’s got so much heart but he just lacks that extra couple of inches in height and wingspan.

  • Nov 16, 201210:14 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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    we just need a closing line up….

  • Nov 16, 201210:15 pm
    by EMBRACE THE PROCESS

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     i do like that they look for Drummond in the paint more…

  • Nov 16, 201210:40 pm
    by vic

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    looks like the 2nd unit needs to get used to each other. stuckey -19  singler +17… amazing stat.
     i maintain that 10 more mins of Drummond, more English to defend hot guards… and less bynum will win more games.
     

    • Nov 16, 201210:50 pm
      by Mark

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      Agreed. I like Stuckey off the bench, but I thought it was going to be with him at backup PG, taking Bynums spot in the rotation. By playing him at SG with Bynum, it doesn’t matter if he’s on the 1st or 2nd unit, the problem will be the same. Neither can shoot. 

      Stuckey needs to be playing PG with the 2nd unit, with English next to him. And Bynum needs to GTFO 

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