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Video: Andre Drummond mixes a little finesse with his power

I’m still adjusting to having a player on the Pistons who creates highlight reel plays virtually every game. Against the Bobcats last night, Andre Drummond added a few more to his growing collection. Two of them — an impressive up and under move on a layup and a put-back dunk — are in the video above. He also had a third dunk in the game that was nice, but I couldn’t find video of that this morning.

49 Comments

  • Oct 21, 201210:02 am
    by gmehl

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    I really hope Drummond enters the dunk contest. I could see him pulling off something special. Curiously asking who is the last Piston to enter the dunk contest?? I have no idea but i am sure Dan or Patrick could dig up that info.

  • Oct 21, 201210:05 am
    by gmehl

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    Info found…the last piston was Stackhouse in 1999/2000 and Allan Houston in 1993/1994.

  • Oct 21, 201210:21 am
    by RyanK

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    I like that he’s finding ways to score, but it’s hard for me to say this is impressive.  We don’t see him doing this against defense that’s focused on stopping him.  It seems like the other team is not paying any attention to him on box outs and really doesn’t expect him to take shots at all.  He’s surprising the defense.
     
    Special K said he’s the future league leader in offensive rebounding.  That would be great, but I’d rather see  him lead the league in total rebounds and shots blocked.  If he can do that with Monroe playing 30 plus minutes per game, we will be at least a .500 team.  Speaking of .500, lets make that a target for his free throw percentage this season as well.

  • Oct 21, 201210:29 am
    by gmehl

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    I wish they would pull this prank on CV and leave his sorry a$$ in the car park
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Cknu-TzUcpU 

  • Oct 21, 201212:22 pm
    by frankie d

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    “We don’t see him doing this against defense that’s focused on stopping him.  It seems like the other team is not paying any attention to him on box outs….  He’s surprising the defense.”\
    on his rebounding, that would describe how 99% of NBA players get rebounds.
    very few players, even the best rebounders, have learned how to box out.   the best rebounders in the league today take advantage of poor rebounding fundamentals by today’s NBA players.   the days of guys like laimbeer and mahorn dominating on the boards using textbook techniques are long gone.
    now, some of the best teams will often use better rebounding fundamentals, but even teams like miami will often lapse into the “follow the path of the ball” style of rebounding most players use.  so in most games, against most opponents, an aggressive, athletic offensive rebounder like drummond will always have his chances.  and once he figures out what he’s doing – maybe he can hire dennis rodman to tutor him for a few weeks  next summer – he is going to be a dominating rebounder on both ends.
    the kid is just an extraordinary prospect, a once in a decade big guy.  who knows if he’ll play up to his potential, but this pistons’ fan is thrilled to have a guy with his talent and potential.  and the idea that he’s doing this against a bunch of stiffs is not supported by what is going on on the court.  imho.
    there are only so many tim duncans, dwight howards, kevin garnetts, kevin loves, kendrick perkins…guys who can keep a guy like drummond off the boards.  the rest of the league, i guess, qualify as a bunch of stiffs.  and a committed rebounder like drummond can exploit that reality  all the way to a rebounding title.

    • Oct 21, 20122:12 pm
      by ryank

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      I was writing about his scoring…  They are not boxing him out on the offensive boards.  That’s letting him get the put backs.  

      • Oct 21, 20123:10 pm
        by frankie d

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        moses malone made a career of scoring on put backs.  lots of big guys score lots of points on putbacks and garbage.  it is a time-honored way for an enterprising, aggressive, athletic player of limited offensive skills to score points.
        blake griffin has become an all-star, dwight howard, paul millsap, josh smith, zach randolph and plenty of other big guys make a living hitting the offensive boards and scoring points on put backs.  despite the best efforts of most teams – which sometimes includes boxing out – those guys still get more than their fair share of put backs and points off the boards. 
        sure, some teams may set up their front court matchups and rotations so that they specifically address the offensive rebounding capability of a guy like drummond, but you usually only see that focus in the playoffs.  most teams simply play their games during the 82 game season, and other than a scouting report that will hopefully make their big guys pay more attention to a guy like drummond, they are not going to change what they do to specifically keep a guy like drummond off the boards. 
        and they are’t “letting” him get put backs.  he is aggressively going after the ball the way a big guy should.
        BTW, can you name a group of big guys who consistently box out? it is a lost art, and unfortunately, most big guys, even on the pistons, typically neglect that fundamental part of rebounding.  it is a lost art, for most players.  other than duncan, kevin love, sheed, KG and kendrick perkins, i cannot think of big guys who consistently box out.  

  • Oct 21, 201212:35 pm
    by Ray

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    ANOTHER REASON: Drummond should play with Monroe…if teams start thinking “we have to box drummond out,where is drummond” then the team gets more offensive rebounding chances ….

    Also on Alley -opps ….when Knight, Stuckey, Bynum break down the defense …teams are going to have to make a decision …do we leave Drummond or not … Lin did it with Tyson Chandler countless amounts of time….

    Pro’s- outways the Cons

    • Oct 21, 20121:40 pm
      by Vic

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      He’s a problem for the rest of the league. And that’s just on offense. 
      When he really gets in his defensive groove from about a year of experience, it’s time to have the all- star convo… Because then he could be averaging about 15 points and 15 rebounds and will def be starting.  

      • Oct 21, 20121:42 pm
        by Vic

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        The steals are what’s really going to set him apart though. His quickness is elite, not like a normal center

  • Oct 21, 201212:47 pm
    by jerrific

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    I haven’t seen him play much yet, but wow. I don’t think there’s a center in the league that can make an adjustment like that, and go around and dunk with power like he does. Even if he doesn’t realize his tantalizing potential it’s pretty clear he’s going to be a starting caliber center in this league. I bet some of the teams that passed on him are already kicking themselves. Statistically he’s had a pretty impressive preseason for someone we thought might not even be ready to play this year. 

    • Oct 21, 201212:53 pm
      by Patrick Hayes

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      I think this is going to haunt the Toronto Raptors for a long time. Instead of having a Drummond-Jonas V rookie duo this season up front, they took a guy in Terrence Ross who might not be all that much better than a few of the second round shooters like Doron Lamb.

      • Oct 21, 20127:14 pm
        by gmehl

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        Yeah Joe will be really busy filling out his xmas card list this year to:

        the Warriors (for Monroe)
        the Kings (for Knight)
        the Raptors (for Drummond)

        • Oct 22, 201210:23 am
          by tarsier

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          I think it’s a bit early to claim that Knight’s drop was as dumb as Monroe’s or Drummond’s. Just about any prospect list ranking who’d have the best career (not what order they’d be drafted in) had Knight right around 8th–where he was taken. Based on all-rookie team voting, he was somewhere between the 5th and 7th best player in the draft, and that was with the bonus he had of being on a team with an easy rotation to break into.

          Knight may end up great and will almost certainly be better than at least a couple of the guys taken before him (and probably worse than a couple taken after). But Monroe was in a draft with 5 really good prospects (and Minny who was long known to be high on Wes Johnson). And he somehow slipped past Udoh. Drummond was in a draft with 6 really good prospects (and Portland who was long known to be high on Lillard). And he somehow slipped past Waiters and Ross.

          Knight was a very different case. The only reason Knight was projected to go much higher than he actually did was because experts expected a PG-desperate team to reach for him. The inexplicable slides of that draft were Valanciunas falling past Thompson, Leonard being available at 15, and Faried available at 22.

  • Oct 21, 20122:48 pm
    by Travis

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    3/10 top ten plays belong to AD on nba.com for Saturdays games. 

  • Oct 21, 20123:12 pm
    by Geoff

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    You cant deny the guy has great finishing ability around the hoop whether or not there is a guy between him and the basket. That is a great sign. However the lack of FT’s and D rebounding is an issue keeping him from big minutes right away.

  • Oct 21, 20123:14 pm
    by Tom Y.

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    I’m also having difficulties believing that this is actually happening on the Pistons. I’m so used to them being slow and earth-bound… And I’m really loving what Drummond has shown so far in just a handful of preseason games… he must have only played about 60 minutes so far (just guessing, haven’t counted) and already done more than 10 things no one else on the team can do, from amazing blocks, to grabbing offensive boards over two other guys, to dunking over people or between 3 guys… amazing.

  • Oct 21, 20123:42 pm
    by frankie d

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    every team, except for maybe NO and PDX, is going to be kicking themselves for passing on drummond.
    the pistons lucked out – the other teams were too cowardly or dumb to draft drummond – and joe d deserves much credit for having the guts to buck the trend on drummond and take a gamble on the kid.
    but it is the same thing that happened with paul pierce – when he almost slid to detroit! – and greg monroe and many others.  some scout or gm somewhere says something about a kid and the criticism sticks.   and all of a sudden no one wants to be the guy who takes a gamble on an admittedly talented player who just doesn’t fit, for some reason.
    lots of folks forget that before drummond’s lone college season, there were plenty of “experts” who were talking him up as the number one pick in the draft.
    there was a reason for that.   and thanks to joe d’s willingness to take a chance on the kid, the pistons plucked a top 3-level talent in the bottom half of the lottery.  
    as long as he stays healthy and get some decent coaching, i think he has a shot at being a very special player.  
    imho. 

    • Oct 21, 20124:33 pm
      by rick77

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      What up my favorite nemesis, Frankie D? I’m suprised that you gave Joe D credit for anything,lol. Seriously though you are correct in your assessment about other teams passing him(Drummond) by. I think Joe has struck gold with this pick and if he can add the right mix to it, then the sky’s the limit in terms of where Detroit can go.

      I’m still a bit leery about Frank as a coach, and want to give him the benefit of the doubt with a full season. Who the coach will be in the next three years will be just as telling as the developement of Drummond and Knight. Hopefully things work out and we are in Championship mode by then.  

    • Oct 21, 20126:16 pm
      by tarsier

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      I’m certainly glad Joe D took Drummond. But that did not take any “courage”. Davis was the only player in the draft with more upside (and only arguably him at that), Drummond’s position and skill set were the perfect fit for the Pistons, and the pick was low enough that there wasn’t anyone left with such a high floor as to make the pick questionable. Plus, if the 9th pick busts, that’s hardly a huge deal. It is very rare that there is a starting caliber sure thing in the bottom half of the lottery.

  • Oct 21, 20124:52 pm
    by Corey

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    It’s astounding that all those teams passed on him and he’s this good already. The free throw thing will be a problem, and may keep him off the floor late in games. But otherwise… Wow. To think everyone was talking up Anthony Davis as bring so ready, and he’s going to struggle a while for being too small. Seeing how good this guy is already, it’s amazing 8 teams passed on him.

    • Oct 21, 20126:31 pm
      by tarsier

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      Given his play in college, Davis, Robinson, MKG, Barnes, and Beal were going to go before Drummond for sure. And then there is always one team who takes a crazy reach (e.g. Epke Udoh, Tristan Thompson). This year that was Cleveland with Dion Waiters. But yeah, Drummond really should have gone before the Pistons. Hooray for Lillard, Waiters, and Ross because there were only 6 guys I would have been happy with for this year’s lottery pick. And it looks like Detroit may well have gotten the 2nd best of them.

      Now if Knight can just play as well as some here on PP seem to expect of him, a good FA pick up this summer could be enough to return Detroit to 2nd tier contention.

  • Oct 21, 20127:40 pm
    by Nick

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    Do anyone have any suggestion who we should go after in free agency next yr?

    • Oct 21, 201211:28 pm
      by GarageTalk

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      If they are going to dish out money the most probable names that come to mind would be Josh Smith, Paul George, Ingudola and maybe a James Harden…

      I would be very interested in J Smoove if the team believes he is able to carry the work load of playing fulltime SF…a front court of Smith, Monroe and Drummond would be very intriguing…it would be a major money deal on Detroits part, he will get max money…at basically 27 years old I would say he is worth it…

      Paul George would be a cheaper deal and may be tough to pry away from Indiana…This a huge season for him and if he breaks out he could be on Joe D radar forsure…

      Iggy still has another year I believe on his deal…if things go well in Denver is really don’t see him leaving…plus be a perfect type of player here in Detroit…as for Harden he might be an option if you feel like Stuckey is just not going to be in the teams future 

      • Oct 22, 201212:19 am
        by tarsier

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        Smoove wouldn’t have to be a full time SF to be a major part on this team. If Drummond is all he looks like he may well be, Smith would either start at SF or come off the bench were he to be the big FA splash. But with Monroe able to slide over to C, Smoove could pick up most of his minutes at the 4, basically moving over whenever Monroe or Drummond takes a seat. So there would basically be a three big man rotation–just one of them has the potential to at least play part time SF if the team wants to put its best 5 players on the floor together.

        Harden’s not going anywhere. Even if OKC were dumb enough to not be willing to venture into tax territory (in spite of the fact that all the winning they’d do would keep them in the black), they could easily re-sign Harden by matching someone’s max contract offer and then trade him for a very nice package.

        To get Iggy or George would probably take a near max deal. I’m hard pressed to say whether or not either of those guys would be worth it. Smith would probably be the most available big name. Atlanta is expected to take a step back without JJ and Smoove may not want to stick around for a semi rebuild. He is old enough that a team that isn’t close to contention probably wouldn’t throw huge money and a lot of years at him (as opposed to James Harden or Paul George who could be key members of a great core for another decade). And most teams that would be willing to don’t have the cap room.

        Steph Curry, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings, and Jrue Holiday belong in the same category with Paul George if Knight were to be a let down this season. Paul Millsap is in the same category as Smoove. Al Jefferson would also be an option, but one of Monroe/Drummond/Jefferson would have to be coming off the bench/not finishing games. Only way that seems likely to happen is if Drummond couldn’t play in the regular season like he has in the preseason or if OKC were to decide to re-sign and trade Harden and Monroe or Drummond were part of a package exchanges for him (or some other trade, but I doubt Joe D gives up either of those guys for a much smaller prize).

    • Oct 22, 201212:49 am
      by jerrific

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      Just because we will have space doesn’t mean we’ll spend it in free agency. Personally, i don’t really like any of the players that will be available next summer, at least not on the Pistons. We could use the cap space to absorb someone else’s unwanted contract ala Rasheed Wallace back in the day. Not saying that’s what will happen, but free agency isn’t the only option when a team has a lot of cap space. Who knows, maybe Joe D doesn’t see a fit and waits till the year after. If we are good enough to make the playoffs this year I could see that happening. 

    • Oct 22, 201210:17 am
      by Lee

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      I think someone like Dorell Wright is feasible and he fulfills a need we have… SF, good defender, great 3 point shooter, young, and i think he’d actually be willing to play here.

  • Oct 22, 201212:27 am
    by Nick

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    I think we need to keep an eye on the Memphis Grizzlies. I’m from memphis and everyone seems to think that Rudy Gay doesn’t fit the Grizzlies system. If the Grizzlies aren’t playing the way they should be by trade deadline I believe they would jump on a Prince/Magette for Rudy Gay deal. Prince offer them everything they need for a playoff team that need another veteran that won a championship before. Gay would be the perfect player for the Pistons system, he would instantly take us to another level. And please don’t think that the grizzlies won’t jump on that trade.They already believe they are overpaying him. Its just my opinion. 

    • Oct 22, 201212:56 am
      by jerrific

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      I have a hard time believing the Grizzlies would take two aging past-their-prime veterans for Gay, even overpaid as he is. They would probably ask for at least one of our young pieces (probably one of knight/monroe/drummond) and/or a first round pick in return. I don’t see Joe D letting go of any of those guys for a position we are already pretty stocked at in the depth chart. 

      • Oct 22, 20127:02 am
        by MrHappyMushroom

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        The key, I think, would be the expiring contract.  I don’t recall the specs, but I think The Grizzlies owe Rudy Gay a lot of money for a number of years to come.

        • Oct 22, 20129:11 am
          by jerrific

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          Still, I don’t think the Grizzlies are so desperate to get rid of him that they would make that trade without asking for some upside pieces in return. 

          • Oct 22, 201210:10 am
            by tarsier

            Yeah, if they want to shop Gay, someone would make a better offer than an expiring deal, an aging mediocre vet on a fair deal, and a second round prospect or two.

  • Oct 22, 20127:19 am
    by Corey

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    I think there could be a middle ground on that trade- yay, Maggette, and one of the young SF’s like Singler, Middleton, or even Jerebko for Gay. I doubt we’d trade away Knight, as we’d have a major PG problem then. And no way they trade Monroe or Drummond for him. Or maybe Memphis would want to add a moderate sized contract they don’t want. It’s one to watch, as Gay would really fit what the pistons need, and doesn’t seem loved there.

     

    • Oct 22, 201210:05 am
      by tarsier

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      I’m guessing Maxiell+Prince+Jerebko+1st rounder would get it done. It’d be hard to get Gay for much less. If the Pistons are exceeding expectations, I’d be all for such a trade, though (otherwise I’d rather hold off on an overpriced fringe all-star). Detroit would definitely be a playoff caliber team and could still have quite a bit of cap space over the summer by amnestying CV. Also, By doing multiple pieces for one, they’d open up a roster spot for a one year contract for T-Will or Flynn.

  • Oct 22, 20128:30 am
    by GPitt

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    I like this  four team trade scenario of sending CV and ADaye from Det to Minn for D Love. Sacremento sends D. cousins to Minn. Phoenix sends G Marcin to Sacr and gets Singler and /or Maxiel.

    • Oct 22, 20129:58 am
      by tarsier

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      And why would any team other than Detroit take that? Detroit wins so much with getting arguably the best PF in the game for a bunch of scrubs and a bad contract that nobody else can even sniff a win. Might as well propose Prince+CV for LBJ.

  • Oct 22, 20129:56 am
    by Al

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    While Im in afavor off him off the bench in the start of the season, I just have to wonder why not start him in at least 1 of the preseason games just to evaluate how he would approach a game knowing he get the bulk of minutes instead of 10-15mins. Why not? Again, we know what Maxiell will bring, lets evaulate the future a little bit more since he’s been suprising us all including the so called scouts! When this team pushes the ball good things happen since we have more hustle type young players and Drummond can really help set them apart growth wise from other rebuilding teams.

    • Oct 22, 20129:58 am
      by tarsier

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      wholeheartedly agreed

  • Oct 22, 201210:01 am
    by Lake Side Live

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    If you want to see that third dunk check this guy’s youtube page he’s done a great job of consistently posting full Andre Drummond highlights show him some love.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/GrantHill

  • Oct 22, 201210:22 am
    by Al

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    I dont think J. Smith fits in Detroit, send CV or Daye plus a litte cash for Calderon. We need another PG while Bynum is improving in certain helpful areas he cant control injuries which I think he will have in a full season. Besides that I like Middletons game. I think if given more minutes or opportunity his light will outshine Daye’s especially defensively and perhaps shooting as well.

    • Oct 22, 201210:29 am
      by tarsier

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      If Daye plus cash/English/Singler/Middleton/future 2nd rounder could fetch Calderon, that’d be great. But definitely do not expect to see a CV trade. He is way overpaid and Detroit can amnesty him in the offseason making him (for cap room purposes) an expiring deal. But only for the Pistons. Nobody else will be able to amnesty him if he is traded. So his value is just much higher in Detroit than it would be anywhere else. That is to say that his negative value is not as much in Detroit as it would be elsewhere. 

  • Oct 22, 201210:56 am
    by vic

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    if we’re going to spend on a free agent, it should be Josh Smith or Paul George. Maybe Rudy Gay.

    If not, keep the money and develop from within. Don’t spend money on anything less. Don’t spend anything on another half baked scorer – gotta be a star.

    First step is to make this an attractive destination by suprising the league this year, hitting the playoffs, and having a solid rotation with our young players in it. Then when certain vets expire there’s room for growth, an exciting team, and a perfect fit for a BonaFide STAR SF/PF or PG that wants to be a part of something special. 

    Another reason to hope the Pistons make the playoffs this year. I’d rather have a perfect situation for a star free agent than a #13 draft pick in a weak draft. 

    • Oct 22, 201211:33 am
      by tarsier

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      Gay isn’t a FA. He would have to come via trade. I could also be real happy with Iggy. But he may well want to resign with the Nuggets.

      It probably won’t work, but I certainly hope that Dumars makes a run at Howard, Bynum, and CP3 anyway. Any of them would make Detroit an instant contender. And who cares that Detroit has apparent core pieces at those positions. Drummond/Knight can come off the bench or be traded for a SF if one of those superstars could be convinced to join the Pistons.

      • Oct 22, 201211:43 am
        by vic

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        I’d definitely take CP3 too!
        Something real bad would have to happen in LA though. 

        • Oct 22, 20121:12 pm
          by tarsier

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          It’s less about taking CP3 et al. Anyone would be delighted to have those guys. It’s about the fact that obviously getting one of them would be an extreme long shot. But it would be disgraceful if Dumars didn’t at least try anyway.

  • Oct 22, 201211:05 am
    by Al

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    Yea good point on CV and amesty clause

  • Oct 22, 201211:12 am
    by Al

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    Living in Atl and just knowing and watching the hawks/ J Smith, i just wonder about his bad shot selection he consistently takes with no reguard to changing and at times his attitude when things dont go his way smh. He may even be on his downside of career. Id just wait and see and use what we have now..

    • Oct 22, 201211:25 am
      by tarsier

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      I love Smoove’s game. But yeah, he is not the most cerebral player. He has to be reigned in sometime son offense. But he is a great defender and he would bring something unique to this team.

      Smoove’s age and regular boneheaded play would make me consider Millsap over Smith. Millsap’s game is a bit too similar to Monroe’s, and therefore not a s complimentary as Josh Smith. But there are much worse guys to be similar to.

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