Via SLAM, watch the block/dunk combo Andre Drummond had against the Bucks last night.
Oct 14, 2012 • 12:19 pmby Jay
Excited for this season. Team’s looking good but please get rid of Charlie V and Daye.
Oct 14, 2012 • 1:38 pmby Corey
Sadly CV has to ride the bench until the next amnesty period, next summer. I can’t imagine anyone offering a trade for him that’d be better than just cutting him loose off of the salary cap next year. I suppose they could send him home, but they’d have to keep him on the roster just so they can amnesty him next summer. I can hardly believe he’s this bad. In the past he could at least score, even if he couldn’t do anything else.
Daye they could just cut to make room for TWill.
Oct 14, 2012 • 1:43 pmby amaron
i bet if charlie V played D for 1 half and made two 3-pointers the bench would react the same way…
Oct 14, 2012 • 2:28 pmby DasMark
LOL. Their minds would be blown!
Oct 14, 2012 • 7:03 pmby D_S_V
Oct 14, 2012 • 2:45 pmby jake
honestly, i’m hoping they move max and daye/bynum/whoever before the season. i was on board with starting max until the deadline or whenever drummond was ready for major minutes and trading him then, but it seems like andre is already ready to contribute. i wanna see t-will make the roster too, so we’d have to make room for him. he’s just too much of a talent to let go of for nothing imo
Oct 14, 2012 • 3:29 pmby Adrià
Now, we have seen a ton of potential in Drummond, but we can’t expect him to do 19-10-2 on a daily basis. He’s gonna have some great games, but he’s gonna have also terrible games. That’s what we saw of him in Uconn. He can a very productive guy, but he’s not consistent enough to start yet. Coach Frank has to put some pressure on him so that he becomes the great player he can be, but we can’t trust on him for every match as we do with Monroe.
Oct 14, 2012 • 11:15 pmby Mark
I agree the production won’t be there every night, but I strongly believe his defense will every night. That the main reason I want him in the starting lineup so bad. He is so far ahead of Maxiell defensively its insulting to fans for Frank to try to say otherwise. His got that special instinct on defense like Big Ben had. Maxiell is an avg undersized big, who does nothing special in any facet of the game.
Drummond gives us the best chance to win each night because of his ability to protect the basket and guard the low post. Maxiell can’t do either. It should be an easy decision who to go with,imo
Oct 14, 2012 • 11:17 pmby Mark
Like Big Ben, he’s one of those players who could have 4 pts and 6 rebs and still dominate the game. Its not how many blocks he has, its how many shots he changes in the paint. So the production doesn’t matter as long as he protects the basket he can have a big impact.
Oct 14, 2012 • 11:37 pmby Patrick Hayes
“He is so far ahead of Maxiell defensively its insulting to fans for Frank to try to say otherwise.”
I don’t know if I’d go that far yet. We’ve still yet to see him try to defend a real back-to-the-basket scorer like an Andrew Bynum or Al Jefferson. Monroe struggles against those types too, so theoretically, Drummond will draw those defensive assignments. I’d guess that while Maxiell gives up height to players like that, he’s still better at pushing them further out than they want to set up in the post.
Also, he did get beat badly off the dribble a couple of times last night after biting hard on fakes by John Henson and Drew Gooden. I think better face-up big men, like a Chris Bosh or Josh Smith or Nene, for example, will be able to expose that weakness in his D more often.
Drummond’s shot-blocking is needed in the lineup, but Maxiell is still an adequate post defender and a more disciplined one.
Oct 15, 2012 • 4:06 amby Mark
I agree Drummond will have ups/downs, but I don’t think its accurate to only point out Drummond’s potential flaws when comparing them, as if Maxiell is a perfect defensive specimen and model of consistency, and Drummond can’t have any flaws if he wants to unseat the great Maxiell, lol..
Maxiell has become glorified lately for reasons unknown to me. He’s avg at best on defense, inconsistent, and undersized as well. So he immediately puts us at a disadvantage before the game even starts because of his lack of size.
So I agree that Drummond will have nights where he struggles, Maxiell has been known to go weeks struggling. Basically Drummond should start just by default, because I don’t see anyone else thats any good on the roster, who would be a legit starting big man on a winning team. Remember, Maxiell helped us to play .500 ball. We were never a winning team with Maxiell in the lineup. 42 games proof that Maxiell does not help us win. Time to try something else and Drummond looks like a great alternative, flaws and all.
Oct 15, 2012 • 8:50 amby Patrick Hayes
“but I don’t think its accurate to only point out Drummond’s potential flaws when comparing them, as if Maxiell is a perfect defensive specimen and model of consistency, and Drummond can’t have any flaws if he wants to unseat the great Maxiell, lol..”
That’s not what I said at all. What I’m saying is we know what Maxiell is. He’ll rebound, he’ll be a wide body in the lane and he’ll defend adequately against most bigs (though his height makes it hard for him to be anything more than slightly above average defensive player). My point is just that we’ve only seen Drummond against two not so great frontcourts. To his credit, he’s played well. But I’m just saying there have been a few minor things that have shown up against those teams in the preseason that could be further exploited by better players. I’d like Drummond to win the starting job. I absolutely agree with that. But I’d prefer to see how he does against better players before I declare that he’s an absolute lock to start. I’m as excited as anyone about how Drummond has played. But it’s still just two preseason games against average teams.
Oct 15, 2012 • 4:14 amby Jack
You can not say that for sure Patrick. Not before he plays against those players at the least. Drummond might prove more ready to defend good back to the basket players than any of us could guess. At any rate we just have to wait and see. At the very least he should play next to Monroe more even if Frank plans to start Max. Personally I would like to see Drummond start. Seriously what do we have to loose. Best case scenario he dominates like he did against Miluwakee, worst he is an upgrade over Max. I think the prior case is more likely. At least I hope it is. But eventually the two have to play together as Monroe will be better suited at the 4 anyways.
Second if L Frank says he is rewarding merit, how does he justify starting CV in the second half. He got dominated by Illyosova, who scored 16 points on him. If he is really rewarding merit why not start Drummond in the 2nd half who had 10 points and 6 rebounds at the half.
Oct 15, 2012 • 8:53 amby Patrick Hayes
“Drummond might prove more ready to defend good back to the basket players than any of us could guess. At any rate we just have to wait and see.”
Never said he couldn’t be successful. He might be. What we know right now is that Maxiell is adequate defensively, he’ll rebound, he’ll hit a 15-footer at an OK clip and he’ll get some put-backs/dunks on offensive rebounds or running the floor. Maxiell has been an OK defensive player for a while.
We’ve seen Drummond for two games, so I think it’s premature to project that he’s already the best option to start off the bat. Remember, the team has spent months talking about taking it slow with Drummond. All of a sudden, he has two good preseason games against mediocre competition and they’re going to throw him out there? I’m skeptical still, unless he continues to play at this high a level the entire preseason, especially when they face teams with better bigs.
Oct 14, 2012 • 4:36 pmby Corey
Max averages 6 and 5 in 22 minutes. How many times did he get 19 and 10 last year? was it even once? Drummond can get half of what he just did last night and still beat maxiel’s averages. max can be the backup PF or C, depending on whether Kravtsov earns a rotation spot.
Oct 14, 2012 • 4:52 pmby rick77
The same way everybody claps for approval on Drummond need to give Charlie V a break, seriously. He has never started that I can recall and his best years were in Milwaukee coming off the bench. Oh yeah by the way they had semblence of a coaching staff.Dude played hard the year Tay was injured and some conveniently forget all while on a bum ankle. I know we have not won but seriously the hating on this gut when he is our best stretch four is unbelievable. I mean last year was a wash and considering he is not getting what Ben Gordon was getting I aint even mad. I am a realist in the fact that I know we have not had a complete team. Would people like him if he went for 16 and 10 and we still had shitty record? In order for Charlie V to be successful at least what I saw from him at UConn was coming off the bench and playing a role, something the last coaching staff could not figure out. I assume caause most dont like him they conveniently forget that part. I am not saying he is a savior or anything but liike so many misscast players in the league if he had a role and it was firm then maybe he could find that sucess that everyone thinks he should be having. I feel that with a complete front line that the guy could be helpful and the right situation he could be what we soley need. Numbers in the preseason mean nothing to me as teams are trying to find their way. f Charlie V was hitting his shots and doing what everyone thinks, their would still be detractors saying it was only preseason. Wait to til the regular season starts and then we start complaining about who is good and who is not. Before I go just lookup some old clips of Charlie in colleg and see what his role was, then maybe you will get a better understanding of what he should be doing professionally. For those hating on Maxiel check Reggie Evans profile before calling guys out because of their height. Bottom line is if we get some established shooters on this team then everyone slides into a traditional role. Until then the jury will always be out on who is what. Calling out the older players and veterans is laughable simply because most think we can just get rid of them as if their is a better alternative other than to just get rid of them. Veterans,especially championship vets help players maintian an even keel and prepare for the grind. I would hate for Frank to be saddled with a bunch of youngsters who dont get it, then what? I love youth but think it is a bit more complex than most of us can see.
Oct 14, 2012 • 5:02 pmby tarsier
oh wait, are you serious?
Oct 14, 2012 • 6:39 pmby rick77
I love the obligatory hahaha without any significant retort. It seems to be the usual when guys speak on players and fail to mention all the other bad shit that was going on around in Detroit. Go ahead and cherry pick .Lmao, trust me I’m a realist when it comes to basketball. I don’t assume players on my team are good just because we think they are good or that they are a Piston. Players need established roles in order to be successful,period. Tell me when any of these guys have had that chance? Daye has been given that chance but Charlie V was injured last year and played less than 20games during a lockout season. Year before that team was in trumoil and dysfunctional. So again tell me when you have been at work and able to suceed with so much uncertainly going on at your job? Cmon Im waiting……….. still waiting……. Yeah that’s what I thought. Stop being spoiled by the run we had and know that we will be on the fringe of sucess sooner than later. Charlie V will be sucesful when he is utilized the right way. Daye is what he is, skinny crybaby who allows the last play to affect the next. Charlie V is pressing simply because in my opinion he reads the papers too much and actually cares what the fans think. Wow what a novelty, an NBA player that cares. Get me a team that has players playing roles and a coach who has an established rotation and then lets talk about who is good and who is bad. Daye though probably has to go.
Oct 14, 2012 • 10:37 pmby Jack
HAHAHAHAHA. RICK is probably CV making a case to the fans for playing time!!! WINK WINK.
Oct 14, 2012 • 7:03 pmby Travis
Paragraphs, paragraphs man…
Oct 14, 2012 • 7:08 pmby labatts
lol, yeah I gave up.
Oct 14, 2012 • 8:02 pmby rick77
Typical internet douchey response. Btw yeah I’m typing from a phone. Get a grip, and you knew what I was trying to say.
Oct 14, 2012 • 8:46 pmby Travis
What. You don’t have a return key? Plus, who types out long rants on a phone.
Paragraphs, man. No one reads long rants with no paragraph breaks. Why do you think reporters/ columnist use short paragraphs in their articles. Because readers are more likely to read the article. This isn’t “douchbagery”. It’s constructive advice from a blogger and columnist (Non-sports).
Drummond was a beast and I’m looking forward to the Game against the Magic.
Oct 15, 2012 • 2:26 pmby rick77
Give you a thumbs up for the day for being a “grammar nazi”. How pleasantly thoughtful of you. Didn’t say you had to read it, but obviously you did. Instead of debating you chose the tired old internet game of trying to play teacher. Get a grip man. I always find it funny when people point out insiginificant $hit, conveniently ignoring the argument. Oh well…. Didn’t read the rules that arbitraly bind me to convenience you. It’s a comment section. Get over yourself.
Fact remains I was out and about doing something. Read what I read and just typed. Again sorry for inconveniencing you. /sar
Oct 15, 2012 • 2:29 pmby rick77
“arbitrarily” uh ohh don’t shoot me
Oct 14, 2012 • 8:17 pmby sebastian
One has to be able to shoot to be a “Stretch 4″.
Oct 14, 2012 • 11:18 pmby Mark
yes, that would help
Oct 15, 2012 • 12:50 amby Jerrific
You’re seriously comparing Maxiell to Evans? If the dude played like Evans no one would be complaining about his height. The bottom line is he can’t play, not that he’s the same height as your average small forward. Wait, maybe they’re related…
Oct 15, 2012 • 2:17 pmby rick77
Obviously you missed the point…. he’s a servicebale big man. It’s like everyone wants players on the team that are great and that is just not possible.A coach sould be able to go to his bench and depending on the match up, plug in whichever big man fits the profile. Everyone wants Drummond and the other big man to start. Im ok with that to a degree, only if they are learning, but to have a team with two younger players playing the same spot and giving the same thing is a bit redundant. Hence why we did’nt take the big man who went to Orlando everyone was craving. I’d take him over Krastonov,but Joe is giving Drummond a punchers chance to beat this guy.
As far as Charlie V goes, i’m not Charlie V but I take umbridge wuith video game GM’s, who seem to have the blueprint but are on Pistons Powered just like me. Go figure. I just believe in continuity that is all. Keep changing parts and never allow the team to gel.
Oct 15, 2012 • 9:23 pmby Jack
Yes you r CV. And Monroe and Drummond are not similar players. If you think that u have no business talking basketball. The best way for them to learn is play of each other since their strengths compliment each other and cover up each others weaknesess so well. As for being a video game GM you have no business saying that after advocating CV be given a starting shot even though he plays no defense, can not score, fouls and has a bad attitude. So who is the V game GM now buoyah!!!
Oct 16, 2012 • 12:14 amby rick77
Listen man pay attention. I am talking about Detroit drafting Drummond then turning around drafting the guy from Norfolk State in the 2nd Rd. that we all wanted would have been redundant, hence why Dumar’s signed Krastonov. Get a clue before you try and tell jokey jokes. Trying to insult me by assuming that I think Monroe and Drummond are similar, when I never said that. Que NFL Live ” Cmon Man”! Read the paragraphs above before entering the forray.
Oct 14, 2012 • 5:02 pmby Trent
If that’s the boner police, I demand a lawyer!
when was the last time we had a guy that could fill up the highlight real like this? Not to mention if we can find a spot for T-Will.
could piston basketball become exciting?
Oct 14, 2012 • 5:10 pmby Gareth Masters
Oct 14, 2012 • 6:13 pmby Paul
We’re stuck with CV til next year when he can be amnestied. Until then, let’s hope he can score more points than he gives up…not likely, but we’re stuck. In the mean time, we need to rid ourselves of Austin ” Man-Baby” Daye and make room for Terrance Williams. Just eat his contract and get him the hell out.
Oct 14, 2012 • 11:20 pmby Mark
haha much better to be a man-child like Drummond, than a man-baby like Daye.
Oct 14, 2012 • 7:08 pmby Travis
If Daye and Charlie don’t improve over the next 5 games, it will make it easy for Frank to justify keeping both of them deep on the depth charts and on the bench for the season.
Oct 14, 2012 • 11:22 pmby Mark
I’m not sure they are going to get 5 more games. Frank said they are going to start playing the regular rotation the last 5 games to get chemistry. I think these first 3 was Frank just giving Daye and CV a fair chance to show they belonged in the rotation, but neither showed anything. I don’t think he’s going to wait around for them. I expect the same role both had last year.
Oct 15, 2012 • 2:47 amby Tom Y.
Has he actually said 5 games? I think he said something like “towards the end of preseason”, which could mean 3-4 games. He has seen everyone play by now though… the only player I feel I haven’t learned enough about is Kravtsov, I’d like to see him play some more.
Oct 15, 2012 • 4:15 amby Mark
I thought I heard one of the assistants say 5 games on the radio postgame show, but it was a static connection, so maybe he didn’t ,lol
But Im pretty sure he did say they were done experimenting and needed to start develop chemistry with the regular rotation. So I assume that means the last 5 will be the reg rotation, or something close to it.
I think if they have any plans to start Drummond, they should use the pre-season to get him confortable starting. You don’t want to start him in the season opener for the first time. We play a lot of big teams the first few weeks and are going to really need his size in the starting lineup. If we go into LA planning to put Maxiell on Gasol, it won;t be pretty.
Besides how awesome would a Drummond/Monroe vs Howard/Gasol matchup in Game 3 be?? Win/lose that would be a fun game to watch for fans. But watching them lose with Maxiell starting, not so much
Oct 15, 2012 • 11:01 amby XstreamINsanity
Howard likely won’t be playing in the first part of the season. Still has back issues.
Oct 15, 2012 • 11:29 amby Tom Y.
That would be pretty cool, that’s the best starting frontcourt in the league right now and I’m fantasizing Moose and Drummond could take their throne in a few years… they’re kinda similar too, in that Pau is a skilled big who can create out of the high post and Howard is an athletic beast. I see that as a sort of model for Moose and Drummond (of course, we haven’t actually seen the model work yet with Howard, but it worked pretty well with Bynum in the low post and Gasol in the high post).
Oct 14, 2012 • 8:47 pmby domnick
if CV not playing good then dont give him the minutes… ive had enough on the preseason for him… he is playing 20 minutes but not productive on offense and defense.. so lets get rid of him!
Oct 15, 2012 • 1:46 amby gmehl
And if he’s not getting the minutes that he wants then i think him and Gores should talk about a buyout. I don’t CV will take a buyout ala Rip but we can only hope. If he did then we can cut Daye and sign both Williams and Flynn.
Oct 15, 2012 • 4:46 amby Davo
Oct 15, 2012 • 5:40 amby Jack
Has anyone else noticed Dre is shooting 72 + % from the field. AWSOME!!!
Oct 15, 2012 • 5:43 amby koz
Is Drummond the early pick for rookie of the year?
Oct 15, 2012 • 6:13 amby Vic
If Drummond keeps playing his game and shooting high percentage shots, and getting over 20 mins, then his only comp for rookie of the year is Anthony Davis, maybe D Lillard. Lo key, the way Scott Machado is torching NBA competition, if Houston coaching staff doesn’t get in the way, he could be in the convo too.
Thats 2 years in a row a barely drafted pg is one of the best. Isaiah Thomas, now Scott Machado.
Oct 15, 2012 • 8:45 amby gmehl
We could’ve taken Machado but that would’ve meant Joe drafting a pass first PG. Still I’ll hold judgement to see how our rookies pan out. Joe always does an amazing job with his 2nd round picks so i will hold fire for now :-)
Oct 15, 2012 • 9:04 amby Derek
I’m loving the development of Andre “the Project” Drummond. So far he has given us energy and excitement against less than elite talent and I’ll take it. I look forward to him facing the Andrew Bynums, Brook Lopezs, and Al Jeffersons of the NBA. They will probably school him. Still a possible strategy could be to put Moose on those players and let Drummond provide weakside help.
As for the defensive comparison between Max and Drum: Max brings an intimidating physicality to the game which Drummond lacks. I think there’s tremendous value in the emphatic forearm smash to get the offensive player thinking about what’s coming. That’s what we used to do in the old days with Bill & Rick.
Drummond doesn’t bring that yet, but I think it’s coming as soon as he starts developing his strength and confidence. All in all I love what we’re getting from Drummond and look forward to his growth through the season. It will make sense to insert him as rotation player, but not a starter. I think they’ll have to evaluate his starting potential after the 20 to 25 game mark in the regular season.
Oct 15, 2012 • 9:25 amby gmehl
“I look forward to him facing the Andrew Bynums, Brook Lopezs, and Al Jeffersons of the NBA. They will probably school him”
Yes i agree. He will get schooled at first but the sooner this happens the sooner he will learn how to counter these players and force them where he wants them to be.
I think they’ll have to evaluate his starting potential after the 20 to 25 game mark in the regular season.
I agree with this too but from reading most peoples comments of late you and i might be the only guys at pistonpowered that think so. To me it doesn’t matter if Drummond starts but rather how much time he gets. If he can be on the court for 25+ mins per game then i’ll be happy.
Oct 15, 2012 • 10:28 amby MIKEYDE248
I’m all if favor of giving the younger guy as many minutes as possible early in the season , to see if they might be able to make an impact on the team at a later date. We know what we can get from most of the older players, and that’s not a whole lot. I was excited to see the new and improved CV, when I heard that he lost weight and got in shape, but he still plays like the old CV. Daye doesn’t even belong on the end of the bench, his attitude reminds me a lot of Darko. He thinks in his mind that he’s the best player out there and doesn’t know why he’s not playing 40 minutes.
The team did play better with Maxiell playing a bigger role the second half of last season. I’m not sure it was because of or inspite of him though. Drummond will be eaten alive by the “superstar” big men. Not so much that they will be out playing him, but because referees like to call fouls on rookies, especially against their “superstars”. I would still like to see Drummond get close to 30 minutes and Max around 20.
Oct 15, 2012 • 10:33 amby Patrick Hayes
That’s actually a really good argument to not start Drummond, Mike. If you start him, you risk him getting into early foul trouble. I think that’s actually one of the reasons Frank stopped starting Jerebko last season. Jerebko would pick up a couple of quick fouls and basically be done for the first half. Might make more sense to bring Drummond off the bench, as long as he’s getting significant minutes.
Oct 15, 2012 • 9:30 pmby Jack
Okay if he picks up quick fouls say 2 in the first q we have MAX, Krastov, JJ and even CV and AD to play PF and Max Krastov and Moose who can play center. For god sakes stop being a wussy and free the DRE!!1
Oct 15, 2012 • 10:50 amby Corey
Good point on the fouls. Teams will go after him right away if he starts, to try to push him to the bench with fouls. Once he gets a little more experience, he’ll handle that better. As long as he gets 24+ minutes a game, it doesn’t matter too much if he starts or not.
My only real concern is that Kravtsov and Drummond can’t play together, and I’m still hoping both will be in the rotation. That almost requires one of them to start. But we need to see Kravtsov more to know whether he deserves a rotation spot. If he does, then Max can backup Monroe at PF and JJ can play SF.
Oct 15, 2012 • 11:00 amby danny
its called preseason for a reason. With that said I’m proud of him playing hard showing everyone what he can bring. I say bring him off the bench at the start of the season and let him work his way up. he must learn that we are a team and we want the best for the team.
Oct 15, 2012 • 4:09 pmby ottawa16
From what I’ve seen of Drummond so far, he’s exactly what we need. The past several years, we have had zero athleticism from our BIGs. And wasnt that also the reason for Monroe to shed some weight to move to PF. If we start Max, we are back in the same boat. I like Maxiell but he’s a backup at best. My only issue as some have already pointed out is foul trouble for Drummond however how will our young players learn if not givin the opportunity.
Atleast back in the glory days, we had the excuse of being extremely deep. But now, we need to play the young guns so that we can reap the benefits in the future. Aaflalo and Amir comes to mind as young guys that didnt get the proper PT due to veterans and then go to another team to be major contributors. Seriously, Max, Prince, and CV should not be on the roster, period.
Oct 15, 2012 • 9:32 pmby Jack
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