Oct 23, 2012 • 4:11 pmby bugsygod
Are you serious with this poll? Come on you cant be serious with this poll. smh If you dont get 120% for daye then someone is fouling up your poll or your site has been hacked.
Oct 23, 2012 • 4:18 pmby Lee
Lol, definitely Austin Daye w/o a doubt…
Oct 23, 2012 • 4:45 pmby tarsier
Obviously the answer is Daye. but I’m surprised that so many more people chose T-Will than Middleton. I expected them to be neck and neck.
Oct 23, 2012 • 5:06 pmby gmehl
Someone didn’t vote for Daye WTF. I always new him and CV were readers at pistonpowered.
Oct 23, 2012 • 7:01 pmby labatts
Oct 23, 2012 • 5:39 pmby RyanK
Why limit the list to these player? Why not include Max, Bynum, CV, Daye, and Maggette with an all of the above option?
Oct 23, 2012 • 6:11 pmby tarsier
CV would be a terrible choice. If he were waived, he’d be on the books next year and kill Detroit’s cap room for next year.
Oct 23, 2012 • 7:08 pmby Patrick Hayes
Just echoing tarsier on CV. Performance-wise, of course he was one of the worst on the team during the preseason. But releasing him means his salary would count on the books the next two seasons. Keeping him then amnestying him next offseason means his salary only would count against the cap this season. I think Villanueva deserves to be released four or five times if we’re basing it solely on merit. But from a financial perspective, it would be a disastrous move.
Maxiell, Bynum and Maggette were left off both because they all have at least minimal value as semi-serviceable veterans on expiring deals and, based on the preseason so far, it looks like all three are already penciled into Detroit’s rotation, so it would be highly unlikely any would be released.
I think Dan’s premise was, basically, if you thought the Pistons should keep Williams — and I think a fair number of fans did think they should keep him — whose spot would he realistically get? Daye is the obvious one — he’s both been terrible and, although his contract is guaranteed, they wouldn’t have been eating an ungodly amount of money by releasing him. Middleton (and we probably should’ve included English too) didn’t have a bad preseason at all, but he and English are also both low-salaried enough and there are questions as to how much they’ll actually play where eating their contracts isn’t a completely insane proposition, just an unlikely one.
Personally, I like T Will, but I don’t think he did enough to supplant anyone on the team in the preseason. Daye was awful, but with $3 million guaranteed, T Will would’ve had to be way more than just intriguing in the preseason to justify cutting him.
Oct 23, 2012 • 8:49 pmby gmehl
“Daye was awful, but with $3 million guaranteed”
This where we need to bring up that Joe once again messed up by picking up Daye’s option waaaaaaay too early. I understand that if he didn’t he would’ve been admitting picking Daye was a mistake but it just seemed to magnify the situation and how bad a choice he was.
Oct 23, 2012 • 8:22 pmby RyanK
I really was trying to be humorous.
Oct 23, 2012 • 6:29 pmby esrom
daye isn’t the obvious answer, he’s the simple, emotionally pleasing answer. the question is more nuanced. if daye still counts towards the cap, he may as well be sitting on the bench as insurance.
williams is the choice just through bad luck, bad timing and buisiness.
Oct 23, 2012 • 7:02 pmby labatts
<— emotionally pleased
Oct 23, 2012 • 7:20 pmby tarsier
Sorry, Daye is the obvious basketball choice. It is a legitimate question whether the difference between Daye and Williams is a minimum contract (that is how much more it would cost to have Williams on the team than Daye).
Oct 23, 2012 • 7:45 pmby Wall-E
Since robots cannot lie: I must confess that I voted for T Will, due to his obvious lack of planking pictures.
…or perhaps it is because Mr. Daye is most logically usefull this season as $3 million worth of expiring contract for trade.
Either way, I eagerly await the next Daye or CV planking pic. Can anyone best JaVale McGee’s freezer plank?
Oct 23, 2012 • 7:47 pmby Patrick Hayes
I like to think that JaVale is not going to use the balance/footwork/coordination techniques he learned working with Hakeem Olajuwon this summer for basketball. Instead, he’s going to best his own freezer plank with something that makes it pointless for anyone else to even try.
Oct 23, 2012 • 11:01 pmby Ramon
I actually think Daye is more valuable to us.. If we does decent this season, we could trade him.. Hell, this might be his break out season..
Oct 24, 2012 • 2:54 pmby Crispus
If we trade him for a pick we can call up T-Will!
Oct 24, 2012 • 1:21 pmby Corey
A player is useful to the team if either (1) he’s a good basketball player who has at least some chance of contributing on the floor, or (2) he’s valuable in trade for some reason.
In Daye’s case, cutting him would be foolish because he is on an expiring contract. A sack of potatoes with a $3m expiring NBA contract would be a valuable trade asset, and so is Austin Daye – for precisely the same reasons.
Middleton? He’s a young player they just drafted and signed to a 3 year contract. He’s coming off an injury, which deflated his draft stock. He showed much better in preseason than in summer league, suggesting that he’s improved substantially as he’s recovered from the kneee surgery. Releasing him would be entirely illogical.
CV? If they release him, they owe him big money – $8m plus – each of the next two years, and it counts against the cap. If he rots on the bench, they can amnesty him next summer and add his last year’s salary to available cap space. He has to sit on the roster until they amnesty him next summer. With hindsight, it’s clear they should have amnestied him this past summer, but all it would have accomplished is open up a roster spot. They obviously had hopes he’d be useful this year, which is no longer looking likely to anyone, I’d think.
TWill? He has no trade value. Anyone could have him for a minimum contract, and no one has offered him one. In all probability, they can pick him up again during the season, if a spot opens up due to a trade, or next summer, if he showed them enough to be interesting. If he wouldn’t make the rotation – not the roster, the rotation – there’s no reason to keep him over any other player on the team.
Oct 24, 2012 • 5:26 pmby tarsier
It’s hard to do much with a $3M expiring deal. Even if it were larger, the only value in expiring deals is if you feel like taking back a longer term contract. And that would blow cap room. Any value gained by trading Daye as an expiring deal would be neutralized when the offseason come s around. Expiring deals have more trade value for teams that will still be over the cap in the coming season. Because they wouldn’t turn into cap space. So they may as well be used during the season. The Pistons are not in that position.
Oct 24, 2012 • 9:16 pmby Corey
The Pistons have several expiring contracts – Maggette, Maxiel, Daye, and Bynum, so they can construct whatever salary # they need for a trade. Or include one with another player who isn’t expiring.
Oct 25, 2012 • 12:34 amby Anne
Maybe my opinions make sense to you !!!
(1) People please, I think the players who sit on the bench all the time are actually the SAFE ones because a NBA team GM would need to SEE/WATCH any player actual performance in games as much as possible in order to evaluate if he want to make the trade for this player or not. How does any GM know if this player would contribute in their team if that player always sit on the bench??? So those Pistons who has been wearing Pistons uniform for long time but has been played lots of minutes in this preseason so far are actually the possible ones who Joe D. wants to trade during this season or next Summer!!!
(2) From what I have been reading online so far, I know Pistons has designed a series of training particular in weight training for Austin, especially in this past summer. As the result, Mr. Daye has gained extra 20 lbs so far and I believe the Pistons trainer is still pushing him to maintain the weight training thing in daily basis. This also shows that Pistons still want to keep Daye in long term because they still want him to be more stronger than before for future seasons. Otherwise, they don’t need to do all this for him and maybe not even let him to participate the Orlando Summer League games during this past July.
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